What are some eastern spaceships that don't meet any of the following criteria?
>arbitrarily placed armor with exposed internals
>literally a boat with spaceship engines
>turrets that only turn horizontally
>two-pronged front end
>head and/or face
>huge glass canopy bridge
>open bridge
>superfluous panel lines
>rehash/homage/ripoff to western design (e.g. Star Wars, Star Trek, generic 70s rocket ships)
>humongous hull with tiny wings
....well shit
>trying this hard
>>14176968
>Inb4 someone brings up that westerners invented trains
Mao did literally everything wrong by the way
>>14176968
Your move.
>>14176968
>humongous hull with tiny wings
You want spaceships with wings?
>>14176990
Come to think of it, almost all of the Banpresto Original battleships fit those criteria. The only ones that don't are Shirogane/Hagane (two-pronged bow, though not of the type OP was obviously referring to), Valstork (head/face), and arguably Air Christmas (depending on where you draw the line for what constitutes a huge glass canopy bridge).
>>14176968
Most of the ships from Legend of the Galactic Heroes, if I recall correctly.
>>14176968
Ill take that check now
>>14176968
Guess this counts? Though given that criteria, I'm pretty sure you couldn't find many western spaeships that don't meet them either.
>>14176968
Most Zentradi ships from Macross
Not sure if shitpost or thoughtful design critique masquerading as shitpost. Anyway...
Lots of ships from Crest of the Stars / Banner of the Stars, tho not all of them
Starship Operators
KaLi Durga from "The Enemy's the Pirates"
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i think we're missing an obvious one
>>14178132
Looks like a sperm whale
I was going to say
pretty much any ship from LoGH
>>14178181
Yeah LoGH fit's the bill perfectly.
Ralgon ships from Irresponsible Captain Tylor
>>14178216
Looks like a Sharkticon.
What the fuck is the point of a 'realistic' ship anyway? The ones western fetishists fellate have to resort to ungodly greeble to appear in any way visually interesting.
>superfluous panel lines
This one always gets me. Western ship designers literally cannot survive without greebling shit to hell and back, and at the same time, you can't expect me to look at a perfectly smooth and flat 20mx30m surface and go 'that is reasonable'.
I'll never understand the appeal of steel cigar tubes.
>>14178256
A realistic starship design is good if you're doing a hard scifi story.
The VentureStar from Avatar is a good example of a reasonably well designed "realistic" starship.
>>14178288
Yeah they designed that well ofc then they threw realistic out with the trash for perfect noble savage blue cat people.
>>14178288
huh.. so its the ship from Evangelion 3.33?
>>14178151
Japan sure loves their Spacefish. Here is a nice one: the Sol Bianca
>>14178151
space crustacean from Gall Force
>>14177125
Picket Ship is best girl
what do i win
>>14176968
What does Maozi Dong have to do with it?
>>14178767
It's a parody of a thread with JFK as the OP pic and a similar list of criteria except targetting Western mecha.
Though this actually prompted some decent discussion in comparison.
>>14176968
So what this thread shows us, is that there are a bunch of Japanese exceptions that prove the general rule: Western space ship design is generally superior. After all, these examples are all heavily inspired by western designs.Alright guys, how was that for a shitpost? Rate it out of 10
>>14178793
What does JFK have to do with it?
>>14178830
He's pretty smug.
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Okay but you know Western mecha design is still dogshit stuck in the 80s poorly aping Kawamori and Shirow right?
>>14176968
When has the west ever designed a good spaceship outside of Star Trek?
>>14179002
who cares
>>14179475
Homeworld. Seriously just every single Homeworld game. Fucking pure gold ship designs.
>>14176968
Me.
>>14179630
Who cares about anything at this point, really?
>>14178821
By all means, pls post some of the western originals that were the inspiration for the ships in this thread.
I'm serious. I wanna know. Pics or it didn't happen.
Image is Pirate ship from Dirty Pair btw
>>14179475
Good design does exist in tha wild wild west. Sadly only a handful of starships are worth a damn.
Lovely Nostromo is getting old
>>14179697
I don't care, as long as I can post spaceships.
Argonaut from Heroic Age
>>14177023
Hagane is basically a big shiny Yamato joke, of course it's going to look like a battleship that flies.
>>14178256
It's the futuristic appeal. A smooth and shiny world shows man's absolute mastery over matter brought by the advance of technology, while panels, nuts and bolts give off a "factory line"-esque, rough and gritty feel, or are reminiscent of tanks. Either way, one represents the ascension of mankind to a new stage (or Apple taking over the world I guess) while the other is more down-to-earth.
>>14176968
Spoilered for lewds
>>14176968
>>14178288
It's not realistic at all though. It's just barebones. They just extrapolate the cheapest, most primitive technologies and designs and say
>500 years later we'll still be using chemical rockets and fuels so we need everything to be exposed.
>>14180084
>It's the futuristic appeal
Yes. But you've completely misunderstood how it works. During its relatively short history modern science fiction has based it's style on whatever happens to be considered the height of technology in any given period.
During the 50s high-altitude heavy bombers and submarines provided the aesthetic for spacecraft. After all, they can keep the crew alive in the hostile environments of the deep ocean or stratosphere, so they clearly would be the basis for spacecraft. Right?
Jump ahead to the 80s and the emergence of automated production lines, labyrinthine chemical plants and the rise of the home computer resulted in the utilitarian sci-fi of the time. After all, this is what cutting-edge technology looks like at the moment, so it must what things look like when we eventually conquer the stars. Right?
More recently we have had the 'Apple' future of style-over-substance (probably has a rebuttal of the utilitarian 80s.) Naturally we want imagine we are all techno-gods with our over-priced and obnoxious shiny toys and infantilising, sterile minimalism. While all the other fads faded away, this one will still be popular centuries from now. Right?
Of course the white-plastic 'Apple' future has already become cheesy and passé. So I'm not entirely sure what will supplant it, but it clearly will involve holographic interfaces.... sadly.
>>14180162
>80s sci-fi designs
>utilitarian
m8
If anything, that would be the designs of the 30s - 50s where everything had an extremely industrial aesthetic because it was new and fresh coming out of the 19th century.
>>14179475
Of course. The 'West' is such a huge collection of people, sensibilities and history that it would be impossible to not produce something memorable (which is why I hate the idea of the 'west.')
Some examples off the top of my head:
>Babylon 5
Mostly everything. The Omega is just an Alexi Leonov ripoff but that still is a good example of utilitarian done right. Speaking of which...
>2001/2010
Just about every vessel in both films.
>Red Dwarf
The titular ship is a greebly slab, granted, but it has a distinctive silhouette and best of all it's not grey. plus the Starbugs are silly and adorable.
>Battlefleet Gothic
Glorious, vast, battleship-cathedrals.
>Blake's Seven
I'm rather partial to the Liberator.
>Alien(s)
Nostromo, Narcissus, Sulaco, Dropship. The 80s at their finest IMHO.
>The Last Starfighter
The Gunstar.
>Freespace Series
The first more than the sequel. The Shivans especially.
>Homeworld
As already mentioned. In the realm of game-exclusive designs I'd consider these the apex. Worth mentioning artist Peter Elson, who provided inspiration for the game style and a lot of his works would definitely count.
>Killzone
Spacecraft play a small role but are nice. ISA cruisers are more well-done utilitarians with a distinctive shape and the fact their decks are perpendicular to their main engines may please hard scifi fans. The Helghast vessels are more traditional in form and more characterful.
>Halo
Covenant ships are nice, human examples unremarkable but competently crafted. Notable exception is the Sabre from Reach which is very nice in both form and function.
>Sins of a Solar Empire
The default game is ok but probably wouldn't have been mentioned here. However the latest expansion included some outstanding examples, especially the new super-sized units (pic related.) If fact they make the older units look quite bad by comparison.
>>14180158
>>500 years later we'll still be using chemical rockets and fuels so we need everything to be exposed.
What chemical rocket? I'm pretty sure it uses a sail.
>>14179965I just wanted to shitpost anon, I'm sorry.
>>14177000
Jules Verne?
>>14179002
D-Va from Overwatch is a sad aping.
It's not like Shirow is pre-occupied for jobsMight as well hire the guy, he's hurting for work since he lost his entire portfolio in an earthquake in the 2000s
>>14180266
rebellion is so good
>>14180158
it doesn't use chemical rockets though you retard, it uses a photon sail in conjunction with antimatter-matter elimination engines, that is partially why they need unobtanium, because they use it to cool the super hot magnetic field generators which contain the antimatter.
>>14178821
it would be a better shit post if there was really any general design pattern between wither side.
>>14179648
got to agree, not super realistic by any means, but oozing with style and flare.
>>14177007
The fleet of Kedeshi?
>>14176968
The Dandelion
>>14180266
>Babylon 5
Shit tons of designs fall foul of OP's critiques from that show. One decent fighter design does not it all make, especially when anime was pumping shit out in the 70s with the same principles.
>2001/2010
The whole point of those films designs were to be realistic; Moonlit Mile, Planetes hit your points on the same level.
>Red Dwarf
It's a great design, but I can point to at least eight different shows with similar designs in them from anime. And don't forget, it was literally knocked up by a BBC crew in a matter of days.
>Battlefleet Gothic
Falls afoul of OP's points.
>Blake's Seven
Falls afoul of OP's points. Also see Red Dwarf
>Aliens
Again, great designs, but I can post to similar stuff coming out of Japan in the same period.
>The Last Starfighter.
As above.
>Freespace
As above.
>Homeworld
As above. Chris Foss had massive influence in America and in Japan and anime designs from the 80s also had a huge influence on Homeworld's aesthetiv.
>Killzone
Again, I can point to designs from Japanese shows.
>Halo
As above.
>SoaSE
As above.
Also shit tons of the above fall into the same problems that OP described.
Fucking love Mospeada's designs. Really under-rated stuff. I once missed out on a wargame fleet of Mospeada miniatures custom made. Should have picked those up...
http://www.gearsonline.net/series/mospeada/mecha/human-mecha/
>>14182499
ALL HANDS, PREPARE SALVAGE CORVETTES TO JACK SWEET-ASS MULTIBEAM FRIGATES
>>14179475
By good spaceship, do you mean "This would Work" or just "Styling as hell"
If the latter, I would like to put forth the flying cathedrals of Battlefleet Gothic, though admittedly many prefer Battlefleet Neoclassical and Battlefleet Postmodern
>>14182722
>Battlefleet Neoclassical and Battlefleet Postmodern
I... what the fuck would those even look like?
>>14181205
No, what I mean is that their design inspiration is what we're using now, and even if it's totally fucking illogical based on their setting and backstory they make their spaceships look like they're still based off what we do now.
>>14182722
>Battlefleet Brutalism
>Literally flying concrete slabs
>>14182641
Those were posted as a response to >>14179475's
>When has the west ever designed a good spaceship outside of Star Trek?
Not as exceptions to OP's arbitrary criteria.
The post-linking system is there for a reason.
Please try be a little more attentive in the future.
>>14179475
Pre-343 Halo was pretty good.
Out of curiosity, what does /m/ think constitutes a good spaceship design?
>>14186648
How hard it makes my weed wacker
>>14184185
I believed it was written by OP and that judging by those conditions, his choices were quite frankly wrong. You can't ignore the context in which something is posted, such as entering a thread where Japanese designs are being judged by certain standards, then posting a list of ships. The expectation is that those ships will comply with the standards set, your point being to show where good design was.
Next time, be a bit more careful about acting smug. Otherwise you show yourself up as an idiot.
