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Short and sweet with all relevant macross stuff.
Although I don't get the birdman ending at all, and none of the girls were that amazing.
Shit
Still better than IBO though
>>14169473
At least they showed some actual 4th-gen fighters.
>insert Slavaboo tears here
I love Macross Zero. I don't even mind the Bird-Human.
>>14169473
The mecha action is really goood, even now. The story was good until ep03 then it's went to shit with episode 04 and 05. Anyone who will deny this have shit.
>>14169639
and i like the 1st part of Arkan. If i rememberc correctly, it's the only song in Zero?
It's the perfect example of okay. Not good not bad. Just okay. I ikefit more than Plus but I admit it's a little weird. It's another one of those things nobody ever talks about the plot of so it's hard to know how people think about it
Mao best girl.
It's wasn't fun to watch, but it did get a little neat here and there. No strong opinion on the Birdman.
>>14169473
does the birdman appeared in other Macross after Zero?
>>14169672
End of Frontier TV, sort of
One of the greatest anime ever made.
Pioneering CGI with amazing fights and the best demonstration of the Variable Fighter's three modes ever done. Strong voice acting and animation. A story that is simple but told in a way that perfectly gets across its message and themes of evolution. It's art.
Its only weakness is how it can only be fully enjoyed if you've watched previous Macross series. Everything else in the franchise can be seen in a vacuum but Zero requires knowledge of the Protoculture and Roy Fokker to get the full experience.
>>14169672
The things that the Birdman(and every technology from the Protoculture) was based upon, yes.
>>14169706
Birdmen seemed to be more powerful than Vajra
>>14169729
The Vajra evolved to be immune to reaction missiles.
The Birdman got fried by reaction weapons.
>>14169706
Wait vajra are protoculture tech? What?
>>14169752
No, Vajra inspired Protoculture tech.
>>14169752
Protoculture tech is based on the Vajra.
The Vajra apparently fucking naturally developed shit like the ability to fold, they have armor like the energy converting armor, they also grow biological beam cannons, missiles, guns, and can fly in space.
Whatever the Protoculture or humanity has achieved via their technology, the Vajra already did it by evolving themselves.
so wrong
>>14169473
Bullshit power
>>14169744
>Birdman got fried by reaction weapons.
That's because Sara was too busy talking with Shin.
>>14169752
Protoculture were constantly trying to ape the Vajra biotech, only to fail each and every time
>>14169811
Isn't that from the movie they were filming in Frontier?
>>14169879
Yes
>>14169473
Best entry in the franchise, Afos was a work of art.
vertical thrusters
Though it was okay. The fact that I actually remember it though is the only thing stopping it from being my least favorite macross.
>>14169811
WHITEWASHED
>>14169927
>Jap CGshit
>best anything
I made the mistake of paying attention to the story. Fucking inconsistent jumping across a bunch of themes that on an individual basis warrant actual exclusive focus on but it's like the writing forgets itself with each episode.
Also the CGI was terrible outside of the model geometry.
>>14170288
The CGI was only terrible in the first few episodes, but by the last episode it was fantastic.
That part where Shin and Nora are chasing each other going 2FAST2FURIOUS was awesome.
>>14169811
that was the chick that won the Miss Macross competition against Ranka right?
>>14169744
>The Birdman got fried by reaction weapons.
Because Sara created a force-field around them to contain the explosion, with her in the center.
>>14170895
You say that but there's the shot of the full armor VF-0 whose close-up IS FUCKING HAND-DRAWN ONLY TO TRANSITION INTO A CGI MODEL AS THEY PULL THE SHOT BACK.
BREAKING CONSISTENCY IS THE MARK OF A HACK. YOU NEVER BREAK CONSISTENCY.
>>14170939
What does that have to do with actual quality of the CG animation?
>>14170918
The Vajra didn't even need to use forcefields or anything.
They just fly through the nuke blasts and tank that shit.
Macross' 0083
Nothing makes sense unless you have seen the other stuff first.
I liked it for being an attempt to break away from the established conventions of Macross. (no pop music, conflict between humans, straight forward love story rather than triangle)
I feel it should be viewed more as a prologue to Frontier than as a prequel to SDF.
>>14169495
Yeah, I always say I'd like to know where Shin and Sara ended up, but as anons always tell me, it's a question that will almost certainly remain unanswered. Still, I liked Shin's character development and how he softened up.
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>>14169473
It was alright. Mao a cute.
>>14172692
The character designs were great.
>>14172509
>The Vajra didn't even need to use forcefields or anything.
>They just fly through the nuke blasts and tank that shit.
Sometimes I wonder if the Protoculture only became a galactic spanning civilisation because of their access to Vajra biology research. And that their massive increase in weapon, armour, and FTL travel tech from this was thus occurring faster than otherwise, leading to them ending up in way too much war? The Protoculture doesn't seem to be as civilised a species as they themselves liked to be, and every remnant appear to be either about waging war (The entire Zentradi race), or about being terrified of war and its consequences. (Macross 7 and Zero.)
The Protoculture was a failed civilisation. And its final messages to the intelligent races they uplifted all end up being "don't copy us."
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>>14169879
>>14169904
>>14169811
Ranka was nowhere near sufficiently cute to play Mao
>>14169947
Sv-51. And gearwalk.
>>14172764
I know its supposed to be inspired by Flankers, but its always given me a Hornet vibe.
>>14172786
I always thought it looked like the offspring of the offspring of a Hornet and a Flanker that was raped by a VF...
>>14172692
Not enough porn of her.
>>14172684
In the same place where movie Alto and whole Megaroad-1 fleet ended. Macross has a weird history of sending it's characters into an unknown places.
>>14173181
Movie Alto returned.
>>14173193
He did?
>>14173181
>>14173193
>>14173199
Isn't it actually implied that Shin and Sara end up on a Vajra planet or something, maybe even Gallia 4? Somewhere I read that Alto vanishing with the Vajra was related to the Birdman being a Protoculture imitation of the Vajra and they went to the same place.
>>14173199
Kawamori confirmed he did.
The BDs for the movie even had a scene of something flying towards the planet.
>>14173219
Source?
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>>14173136
Don't lewd Mao
>>14173234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5PO6tttHZQ
3:11 is Sheryl and Ranka's concert, this shit is already there even before the BDs, it was just audio then.
5:50 is the glowy thing that is implied to be Alto.
>>14173265
Alto became a star-child?
>>14169473
the show that killed the franchise for me. It went from intergalactic sci-fi to new-age magic.
>>14169473
What happened to Shin at the end? I can stomach everything except that ending. What a load of bullshit.
>>14169811
Must reuse assets featuring Kawamori himself.
>>14173212
Last scene with Brera in Frontier shows Mayan bird totem.
>>14173304
Something something anima spiritia powered fold.
>>14173498
They haven't mentioned Anima Spritia at all since Macross 7. It feels kinda dumb that they replaced the old song magic with new song magic.
>>14173303
>the show that killed the franchise for me. It went from intergalactic sci-fi to new-age magic
Yeah 'cause Macross 7 never happened right ?
>>14173538
It's the same magic, it just has a more SCIENCE name now than "Song Energy"
Anima Spiritia was a Basara-specific thing
>>14173212
Birdman is a bootleg Vajra the Proto-Culture made but the Vajra Queen just folded away to dodge the quantum shots and since she was finally free thanks to Alto and Brera there was no reason for her to not send Alto back later to try and build a bridge between the two races
>>14173539
>Macross 7 never happened
Correct.
As soon as I heard there was a guitar-controlled, human-faced VF I blocked it from memory.
>>14173720
>Anima Spiritia was a Basara-specific thing
Anima Spiritia is just what the Protodevlin called Biological Fold Waves. Get with it.
>>14174084
all VF-19s have a human face,
>>14170906
yeah
>>14174528
Nope.
>>14174084
Is there really anything surprising about a literal rock star painting a face on his VF?
VF-0 a cute
>>14174528
If anything, they have strong 'knight' motive.
>>14174641
Agreed but my love goes to delta winged variant. It was inducing pure lust.
>>14174084
So you never even watched it?
>>14174647
While post Frontier valks have LaForge's visior.
>>14174528
And them we have Chronos, which looks like angry bug. Actually, it kinda reminds me Draken here.
>>14174655
Those visors were common before Frontier, too. The original YF-19 had the same face. It's shown up quite a few times over the course of the series, most recently on the VF-31S.Best mecha face. Kawamori has top-notch taste.
>>14174662
Well, Armored Core is strong in never ones.
YF-19 head head was more streamlined and visior was integrated into it smoothly. VF-25's and later models have it sticking out more.
>>14174662
As much as I like the Siegfried's visor, I can't help but be reminded that korean rescue mecha series used the same exact visor design.
>>14174662
And A variant.
>>14174673
Which korean rescue mecha series?
>>14174681
Restol, iirc.
>>14174682
Thanks.
>>14174749
NO DON'T WATCH IT, IT'S ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE.
>>14174756
TOO LATE.
Actually, >>14174528 is telling the truth.
In Macross Plus, when they have the YF-19 partially disassembled, you can see that it has two independant eyes behind its faceplate. Presumably, so do all the different VF-19 variants.
>>14176442
So, like GMs?
>>14176442
>>something has two eyes
>>must be a human face
>>14176801
>YF-19 has two eyes behind its visor
>VF-19Kai has a face
>VF-19P also happens to have a face behind its visor
It's really, really not unreasonable to think that all VF-19 models have a face under their visors. Why would only the YF-19, the Kai and the P have them?
I just binged Macross Zero after hearing about it. Damn I can't believe this was made in 2002, the entire run was amazing.
>>14174084
So easy to spot the Robotechfag.
>>14174662
>VF-31S.
But the 31s has a dual sensor setup
I'm curious why the VF-31 has a dual seater configuration.
The VF-25 has single seat.
>>14179845
The VF-25G has two seats, not sure about the other variants. They all probably has two seats as well.
>>14179845
>The VF-25 has single seat.
The VF-25 has dual.
>>14179851
Hmm.
The bandai vf-25 only has single seat though.
But i guess you are right. I remember some sheryl x alto action in the vf
>>14179882
it's probably a modular compartment that can be removed and fitted with a second seat if needed.
>>14179882
That seat can be folded up if its not in use.
>>14176806
>Why would only the YF-19, the Kai and the P have them?
You're mixing up any normal VF's "has two eyes" with the Fire Valkyrie's "head unit is purpose-built to replicate human facial features". It's got a bridging structure on its head mimicking a nose, a faceplate molded with the shape of human lips, and its visor is clearly separated into two "eyes". Most VFs use a visor to hide their actual sensors and have never replicated facial features as closely as the Sound Force VFs.
The Fire Valkyrie is/was part of 7's military-funded project as a means of wielding culture as a weapon against rogue Zentraedi encounters in space, long before the fleet even encountered the Varauta. It's just a mod of an existing template, just like the other eventual Sound Force VFs. Outside of a similar airframe, what it has or has not doesn't define what the other variants in the line feature.
I'm pretty sure the -19P's brief appearance with the Fire Valkyrie's face is supposed to just be an artistic dramatization; it appears for a single closeup. The typical -19P has three eyecams behind a clear solid visor and doesn't have the "nose" structure of the Fire Valkyrie; how else would it suddenly have the Fire Valkyrie's face after being splashed with whalestuff?
>>14179989
>I'm pretty sure the VF-19P's brief appearance with the Fire Valkyrie's face is supposed to just be an artistic dramatization; it appears for a single closeup
So when presented with facts that disprove your theorem, your strategy is to just dismiss them as "artistic dramatization? Also, the 19P's face shows up in more than one shot.
You can't explain away the YF-19 having eyes behind its visor. So does the VF-19P. So does the Kai. You can't just say "IT'S JUST ARTISTIC LICENSE, IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A FACE", when that doesn't explain why the VF-19P and the YF-19 have faces too.
Here's a more reasonable explaination: The three eyecams present behind the VF-19P's visor are most likely built into the visor itself, with the face behind the visor being a backup sensor array in case the main array is damaged. All VF-19s, and the YF-19, have this backup sensor array present but hidden, except the VF-19Kai, which has it exposed by default.
Here's what Macross Compendium says about the 19P and 19Kai.
>VF-19 Custom: Customized version equipped with canard forward wing, internal speaker system, speaker and launcher pod.
>VF-19P: Version based on VF-19 Custom. Assigned to planet Zola's patrol force
The A and F variants use what appears to be the same head design as the prototype, the S, Kai, and P variant seem to use the same style for their head.
The Kai is using a 19A/Prototype style airframe and most probably a heavily modified S variant head. The P, being based on the Custom/Kai, it uses the same style.
>>14180008
There's no "strategy" that you seem to be convinced of me having. I am merely stating observations according to M7 Dynamite Ep. 4 and -19P lineart. The entire point of that scene is Barasa making a comeback. The shot of the -19P with the Fire Valkyrie's face appears for just that one scene right after he's splashed with whale pollen. Colored lineart of the VF-19P is clearly meant to convey a transparent green-colored full-face visor covering internals, not sensors tacked onto its interior side.
I never said anything against the YF-19 having two eyes, either, you might want to reread my previous post. OVA Episode 2 proves itself. It is well within reason to assume that all VF-19s have two eyes. But then in previous posts it went "two variants have appeared with faces, therefore the rest of them do" despite head units being vastly more varied than the airframes that carry them ever since SDF, and your reasonable explanation is that "All VF-19s, and the YF-19" have a backup sensor array fully molded with a human face facsimile, instead of the face on a custom unit being a custom occurrence.
In any case, I wasn't for or against VFs having eyes or any number or arrangement of sensors in any form behind visors or exposed. I could go on about it, but let's make it easier and clarify it on your end; what is your criteria for a "face"? Just a vaguely humanlike arrangement like with the YF-19 without its visor, since we never see what is under its faceplate? If it's a loose criteria like that, then which VF doesn't have a face, outside of VFs with camheads?
Or is it something more similar to the Fire Valkyrie, in which case I have to ask for what reason the prototype might have had a faceplate molded with a mouth hidden in its head unit, and for what reason the mass-production -19P is carrying such a garish modification? Even if it's "based on the Fire Valk", isn't it more for its sound/foldwave technologies than of its aesthetics?
>>14180008
And, for a moment, let us assume that you are correct about the -19P, if one goes by not just Dynamite, but the Yamato toy.
But a backup face for all of the -19s, based on the observations of two variants made for specific purposes, and with their development related to each other, going by Compendium? Simply saying that they all have a face because they're all -19s. It's is hardly enough.
Basara's 19 could close the "mouth" as shown in the episode where he lost his voice.
And the 19P, wasn't it more of Basara just wiping off enough blood to not block the cameras with the blood, and he wiped off like 2 spots, creating a two-eyed look, so it looked like his old custom?
>>14180268
While the first two images resemble the typical -19P more, the final image does sell the Fire Valk angle pretty hard; you can even see the angle of the nose line. And this entire sequence is after getting splashed, so no "the visor broke" when it's clearly still intact in the first two images.
It's not like I have an issue with it being a dramatization. I find it much more believable than every VF-19 variant, especially from the more down-to-earth Shinsei, having a complete Brave face hidden underneath their usual sensors for absolutely no reason at all other than because, instead of the face being a one-off for the Project M Fire Valk.
>>14180288
>I find it much more believable than every VF-19 variant, especially from the more down-to-earth Shinsei, having a complete Brave face hidden underneath their usual sensors for absolutely no reason at all other than because, instead of the face being a one-off for the Project M Fire Valk.
And yet the 19P has a face. Yes, it's based on the 19Kai, but why give it a face?
The mouth is purely detailing. It would hardly increase manufacturing costs to include it. It has no functional purpose, but the design of Valkyries doesn't exclusively care about functional purposes. These are humanoid robots. They are designed to look human. If you've already got two eye-like sensor arrays, why not put a metal crease in for a mouth? Even if no one sees it, it's not unreasonable for a designer to do such a thing. Call it a signature. Lots of mechanical designs have signature pieces.
>>14180288
Could it be that Basara removed the large visor covering the face after its covered in blood, and revealing the parts underneath which, by a perspective trick, looks like a face with a mouth piece?
The 19S has a similar head to the Kai and 19P, by the way.
>>14180334
Nope. It's a mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOmwtAXVI00
They probably just took the design of the 19Kai and rolled with it since they were using it as a base for the 19P anyway, they just slapped a visor on it to make it less silly looking.
Are we sure its really a mouth piece and not a flat surface that looks like a mouth because of the shading?
