Do people still hate ZZ for being fun, or have they come to realize that it's better and more memorable than Zeta?
>>14163226
>>14163226
That's a loaded question.
Personally I really liked ZZ. I also really liked Zeta.
Well...the honest truth is that i didn't like the first dozen episodes of ZZ until I decided to tell myself that there's something wrong with the air in Shangrila which makes everyone act really high all the time because, well, they are. The latter half fell right in line with MSG and Zeta's tone.
All-in-all, I'd say my appreciation for Zeta and ZZ is about equal, though the original MSG is a bit ahead of them in my opinion.
>>14163255
>Personally I really liked ZZ. I also really liked Zeta.
No you fucking didn't.
>>14163226
The "ZZ sucks" shitposters are the new majority on /m/. This board has become a shitpost overflow for people when they get banned from /a/. You should know better by now, OP. BRs like >>14163234 >>14163238 only ever stop choking on their daddy's pencildick long enough to shitpost.
>>14163287
>The "ZZ is good" shitposters are the new majority on /m/.
Fixed
>>14163226
Shitposting aside, I literally do not remember anything from Zeta. Nothing important or meaningful or cool happened in that whole series. There Dublin and the finale. And tigerbaum or whatever for being so fucking surreally stupid
>>14163322
>There Dublin and the finale
Translation, mobileposter-kun?
You don't seem like an ESL, but I could be wrong. Enjoy the benefit of the doubt.
>>14163226
I liked ZZ, but the show at it's best it was just a watered down version of Zeta..
>>14163226
ZZ is solid, especially after Moon Moon. Zeta was also good.
>>14163226
Tomino should have had the balls to kill off some of the kids. Especially insufferable faggots ike Mondo or Roux. Instead he chickens out in killing off Leina and goes 'lol she's really alright, Salya saved her from the burning hut'
Fuck that.
>>14163505
Found the retard.
>>14163284
Not him, but I feel the same way except how he likes them equally. ZZ wasn't on the level of MSG or Zeta but I found enough to like from it.
>>14163226
Sometimes I wonder if ZZ is a deliberate parody by Tomino
Honestly I don't believe that the people who post in these threads have seen more than a handful of series. There's no other way I can explain how /m/ thinks ZZ is bad for being light-hearted, and then praise ∀ and G-Reco for the same thing.
ZZ has better characters and units than Zeta.
It's only good because it's a sequel to Zeta, if it was a standalone Gundam show and not UC it would be G-reco level
>>14163991
ZZ isn't bad for being light hearted. It's bad for having a meandering plot that doesn't know where it wants to go for a good chunk of the episodes. Once the conflict and judau's motivation become clear it looks like the show is getting better, only for episodes like Tiger Balm to happen. Look me in the eyes and say Moon Moon was a good idea.
I sincerely believe people that say they like ZZ are either baiting for responses, or are so contrarian that they've convinced themselves it wasn't shit.
ZZ is fucking terrible.
First part: Good if you want slapstick
Moon-Moon: Weird
Dublin arc: Legit good
Moon-Moon again: Weird again, starting to get bad
Everything after: Absolute shit
>>14164042
Fuck you, I enjoyed Tiger Balm
>Glemy not getting the girl in the end
>no Puru's survive
>Bright lets kids fly the ship
>no char, amuro, and little kamille
well wong got beat so its all good.
Dublin arc was great, as good as the best parts in Zeta
>>14163226
What annoys me about ZZ aren't the comedic elements, but how, aside from the desert and Dublin arc, it completely bungles the execution of the serious elements.
Glemmy going from a grunt to a high ranking officer who has been overseeing a cloning project for a while (even though he was just a grunt a few weeks ago in the show) just doesn't work. And then the show just pushes that forward, with Glemmy somehow triggering a civil war even though the show spent all of one scene to try to set up why people would follow him.
The goofy villain that somehow leads to a tragic death of a supporting Moon Moon character in their return is set up as being from a family of traditional mobile suit pilots, which just doesn't make any sense at all with mobile suits being created right before the One Year War (although, curiously, the Origin OVA fixes this if it's actually canon)
The action was also extremely inconsistent, with the ZZ being portrayed as very agile - basically disappearing from enemy pilot's view, when they wanted to hype it up, but later it's suddenly supposed to be slow.
The show just didn't care about consistency at all - which works for comedy, but is very irritating when used for serious plot elements.
Icall it Zee Zee
![[EG]ZZ_Gundam_BD_09_Resub(720p)[A42C9CB0].mkv_snapshot_17.59_[2015.12.11_20.22.45].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Gn4ti35.jpg "[EG]ZZ_Gundam_BD_09_Resub(720p)[A42C9CB0].mkv_snapshot_17.59_[2015.12.11_20.22.45].jpg")
>>14164072
ZZ is very flawed and heavily more on the side of not good then good but Glemy is Jesus
>>14164100
How is he Jesus when he gets NTR'd and killed by the girl he loved?
>>14163226
No, /m/ is still filled with fucktard cunts who stopped watching ZZ after three episodes and shitpost every fucking thread about it.
>>14164104
>Son of G
>humble origins
>does kindness for strangers
>accepts his own death
>twelve followers
>>14164113
God forbid people have opinions you don't like.
>>14164100
>>14164116
Glemy looks the love child of Amuro and Char.
>>14164116
>twelve followers
so the kids I have chained up in my basement count as my followers now? Pffft, in that case I have more than Glemy
>>14164141
Reported to the FBI
>>14164118
God forbid people formulate their opinion based on something other than memes
>>14164148
Holy shit, we have an online mind reader here.
>>14164147
they didn't find 'em last time
>>14163226
>Do people still hate ZZ for being fun, or have they come to realize that it's better and more memorable than Zeta?
In my view ZZ's only problem is not having dosed correctly the amount of comedy throughtout the show. There is nothing wrong with comedy if you use it a little bit here, a little bit there to lighten up specific character interactions etc... The way it's done in ZZ is jarring because you end up with basically 2 mini series. That said, I vastly prefer ZZ over Z because of the cast. The characters are just more engaging and memorable. Zeta characters are like an evangelion psychic ward. One more dislikable than the other. 50 episodes of teen angst, autism, doesn't sit well with me. So I'll take Judau, Roux, Elle, and the rest over Kamille his teen angst/autism and the rest of the argama crew.
I actually had fun with ZZ when it was comedic. It also managed to have good drama during the Earth arc. But there are just too many downright terrible parts of ZZ and the plot goes from nothing to nonsensical. The characters are also either shallow or just plain unlikable. It could have been good, but ultimately it wasn't. No hate, just truth.
![[EG]ZZ_Gundam_BD_32(720p)[0AC8B8CD].mkv_snapshot_03.30_[2013.01.26_01.56.56].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lSOUVH7.jpg "[EG]ZZ_Gundam_BD_32(720p)[0AC8B8CD].mkv_snapshot_03.30_[2013.01.26_01.56.56].jpg")
>>14164265
Puru should have shown up earlier and the first twenty episodes should have been heavily reworked
>>14163226
ZZ is not bad, it is worse.
And the comedy is not funny. Watch Xabungle, Turn A, King Gainer or G-Reco if you want fun Tomino moments.
>>14164676
ZZ blows those tomino shit shows outta the water you fag.
Both ZZ and Zeta were shit.
Takahashi > Tomino
Layzner over any Tomino's garbage
![snapshot20130514110533.10[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KW4RNlE.jpg "snapshot20130514110533.10[1].jpg")
>>14164700
>>14164713
>RX-7 FC
wat
>>14163234
Holy fuck Darius thanks for reminding me to 1cc that
>>14164749
Initial D's Takahashi.
>>14164676
>Watch Xabungle
>better than ZZ
>>14164322
Jewdough should have given a single fuck about Puru's sacrificial death. Fuck Jewdough.
>>14164992
He also slapped the shit out of puru when she offered to be his replacement sister. Jewdough is scum. No wonder Tomino never brought him back. Gray Stu who hates best girl in the series and then doesn't even give a shit that best girl died saving him.
>>14164992
>>14165007
b-but jewdough tastes so good
ZZ was rich on sexy girls. But the mechs were pretty bad.
>>14164042
Honestly, Zeta has the same problem. Neither show really had the content for 50 episodes, yet they were that long.
ZZ suffered from Char's Counterattack being greenlit. Char was supposed to come and try to take Zeon away from Haman, but once they told Tomino that he could make his movie, he cut Char out of the series. And that made everything worse.
Then again, maybe Char would have been wasted in ZZ. Who the hell knows?
Either way, I enjoyed both Zeta and ZZ, for very different reasons. Comparing them is hard. It's like comparing G Gundam to Gundam Wing.
>>14165034
But Anon, Zeta is widely recognized as a masterpiece and anyone saying otherwise is a troll or just a meme-poster. Zeta is literally flawless and you cannot criticize it. Stop expressing your opinion and join the hivemind.
ZZ is shit.
Zeta is good.
ZZ is shit.
Zeta is good.
It had Puru, therefore it was good.
Both shows are good
>>14165028
It had some great mechs though
A lot of them redesigned for Unicorn even
>>14165577
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>>14165028
>ZZ was rich on sexy girls.
Too bad they are just eye-candy.
I think my least favorite parts of ZZ are the beginning and the end. Although I think everything In the middle school pretty good, even if glemy needs to be cut into two characters.
>>14163226
I only started enjoying Z once Haman was introduced.
I started enjoying ZZ once they got out of that weird colony, yea, I liked ZZ more than Z, but that's just me being a pleb.
![[EG]ZZ_Gundam_BD_13_Resub(720p)[09AE3D11].mkv_snapshot_08.35_[2015.12.11_20.05.07].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P3mXpJF.jpg "[EG]ZZ_Gundam_BD_13_Resub(720p)[09AE3D11].mkv_snapshot_08.35_[2015.12.11_20.05.07].jpg")
>>14165665
There is literally nothing wrong with Glemy aside from not giving him more focus
He's commanding people as early as episode 12, shortly after his first appearance. From the start, he is an important person and it is said you need to be careful putting him in danger because "he's one of Haman's favorites"
Character writing is unbelievably bad in both shows but it's not taken as seriously in ZZ so that ironically makes it less ridiculous.
What's with people hating on Z so much as of lately? is not like I'm complaining, but it surprises me seeing how Z used to be one of the most well regarded Gundam series.
I didn't much care for ZZ especially on the heels of Zeta, but there were moments I enjoyed. I don't remember much, but I remember Kamille and Fa dancing on the beach and that makes me happy, so there's that.
>>14165677
there is plenty wrong. How does this goofy underling who kidnaps some spacebrat end up being a leader of a splinter faction? it makes no sense. He was just a poor stand in for Char.
![[EG]ZZ_Gundam_BD_13_Resub(720p)[09AE3D11].mkv_snapshot_09.41_[2015.12.11_20.06.24].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ed1rAm8.jpg "[EG]ZZ_Gundam_BD_13_Resub(720p)[09AE3D11].mkv_snapshot_09.41_[2015.12.11_20.06.24].jpg")
>>14165718
He's not just a goofy underling. For Mashedpotatoes, he's a goofy underling mamas boy who follows his orders happily and is giddy about getting into battle then when Chara takes control he can override her commands and act freely without any punishment. In the teens he's being moved into a command position with his own ship and mission which is not illogical when you pay attention to some of the details (not insulting you or calling ZZ smart or subtle or anything, they're just details that do exist) about him leading.
He's fine. You just need to make some assumptions and go with the flow a little bit
>>14165718
It's heavily implied that Neo Zeon is falling apart, thanks to the crazy array of personalities it attracted. Remember that Illia Pazom are being sent around to spy on Mashy early in the series and it's heavily implied that Haman doesn't trust anyone.
ZZ is about the chaos after Zeta.
>>14165694
>What's with people hating on Z so much as of lately? is not like I'm complaining, but it surprises me seeing how Z used to be one of the most well regarded Gundam series.
Trolls being contrarian
> Character writing is unbelievably bad in both shows but it's not taken as seriously in ZZ so that ironically makes it less ridiculous.
ZZ has some great characters, though. Elchi and Blueberry Yogurt are the best girls in the series.
The thing with ZZ is it's not terrible or amazing, it is just sort of okay with some really great moments
Problem is it's linked to shows which are very well liked, many of which like them for other aspects not as overt in zz. Some people think gundam should be all military shit, others enjoy the mixture of aspects. If it were just shin xabungle no one would complain as much
Mearsheimer.
Not Marshymallower.
Mearsheimer.
ZZ is memorable for Qubeley Mk-II, Bawoo, Zaku 3, Quint Mantha, Dreisen, Geywalk, Doven Wolf
Mech porn at its best
>>14165007
He needed to. Puru was being selfish and lacking empathy . Kids need to learn to not be little shits.
>>14165867
It wasn't lacking empathy, she was just trying to find a way to help even if she didn't understand the situation.
>>14165746
I remember years ago Z and Turn A were held up as paragons of the genre. Then apparently a lot of people either watched them and didn't enjoy as much, or just started trolling, or both.
The same thing has been happening with Gunbuster the past couple weeks - someone posted a hate thread about it, then another the next day, another the next day, all different angles but transparently bashing on it.
ZZ is no worse than 99% of the shows on any season and much better than nearly all these shows that get big like KlK
>>14165677
Don't be delusional. Glemy went through a huge breakneck shift in character/purpose.
>>14163226
>Do people still hate ZZ
I Hate ZZ because it's not the pastebin.
>>14165677
There's literally everything wrong with Glemy. His character was changed entirely due to Sunrise greenlighting Char's Counter Attack. It changed the entire back half of ZZ.
Both Char and Amuro were supposed to be in the second half of ZZ with Char taking over Neo-Zeon and Amuro appearing with the precursor prototype that leads to Nu-Gundam.
With CCA given the go all that shit got changed.
Because of all that Glemy suddenly had Char's original purpose thrust on him.
>>14166075
KlK is actually fun though.
Which Tomino character would you have replace Judo?
>>14166362
>>14166384
It isn't entirely out of nowhere though?
There's a buffer period from episode 9 to Moon Moon where he first has his own ship where they try to sell you on him not just being a quirky goon
No fucking shit Glemy's spot was originally supposed to be Char's and he was reworked, but it was all done very early
ZETA BTFO I AM NOW A ZZMISSLE
>>14165671
L-lewd...
Might as well ask in this thread. Someone in another, archived thread said Mashy took out maybe 10 Mass Production Qubeley's with his mind and I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I just remember him taking out a couple of Doven Wolfs piloted by random mooks by newtype suicide bomb (same as Chara), and that it was Chara that took out more MP Qubeley's. A quick look at the third to last episode seems to confirm that. Can someone clarify? Am I just forgetting some other battle that the MP Qubeley's were in or something?
>>14163255
>>14163910
same here I loved both
>>14164042
fuck off I liked saturday morning ZZ and Zeta.
>>14163226
I disliked it because it was a bad show in every way other than the production values, "fun" or not.
I also disliked Zeta. It was about as badly written, but it was at least interesting, if not only because it was still riding the coattails of 0079.
>>14167397
You're correct. It was Chara that does the newtype allahu akbar on the Quebleys.
ZZ is the best TV UC-series.
The only UC-Gundam, where I could feel a connection with characters.
>>14165677
yo, tripfriend, i'm only putting this on to tell you that while i do like ZZ gundam, you are being more of a faggot then i am, and trust me, i was a big faggot back in the day
>>14171253
>you are being more of a faggot then i am
>says grampa circlejerker
You may not speak to me in that way
>>14171369
the fact that people remember the trip is amazing to me.
>>14167397
Yeah that was me in the macross vs gundam thread, I did misremember
>>14171478
It's very vague and I had to look it up to see who was speaking to me, because you put it on like it was supposed to mean something instead of just merely insulting me like a reasonable person
>>14166384
So CCA getting greenlit caused ZZ to lose the build up to CCA? My main problem with CCA is that It's conflict comes out of nowhere with the MIA Char lead ing the previously defeated Neo-Zeon without any explaination. And I never liked how ZZ doesn't really add anything to the Orevarching sory that 79 and Z seemed to have.
>>14166384
> Both Char and Amuro were supposed to be in the second half of ZZ with Char taking over Neo-Zeon and Amuro appearing with the precursor prototype that leads to Nu-Gundam.
Source? Cause I've never seen such a ZZ proposal and it sounds a lot different to that one I have seen (http://pastebin.com/0SkxGTUt).
>>14163226
It's not better than Zeta but it's definitely better than Seed(s) and 00 without trying too hard.
>>14171618
00 S1 and the movie were actually pretty good though, even though in totality it's kind of shit.
ZZ is really silly, maybe a little too silly after Zeta
I like it, but I suspect this is the reason it draws so much flak
>>14171728
Noh
anime ja nai
I really liked Haman in it.
>>14175679
>I really liked Haman in it.
I liked when she was in it. But that wasn't terribly often early on. For all the buildup she got in Zeta, having her represented on solely through Mashy's goofy ass flashbacks for half the series was dumb as hell.
To me, ZZ felt like a re-tooled L-gaim
plus this >>14165433
>>14177605
FFS felts more like a re-tooled LGAIM
>>14163226
I found it really frustrating to watch after coming out of the first two. Not that its bad, just feels kinda like a slap in the face after the first two series.
>>14163287
>are the new majority on /m/.
It hasn't been like that for a long time. In fact we get way more threads hating on Zeta now than we do ZZ.
>>14177975
>For Fuck's Sake felts more like a re-tooled LGAIM
>>14182644
You know what the Five Star Stories are right? Right?
ZZ is the best TV Series in UC Timeline.
Best parts of 0079 and Zeta together.
>>14166384
The thing is that makes no sense really. ZZ would be better and UC Gundam as a whole would be better if that plotline went ahead.
My one complaint about ZZ is that it looks low budget. I understand they changed artists or art director between it an Z, but holy shit the difference is huge. It's not a case of the art/animation being crap as ratings tanked and budget went down either. No, ZZ looked like crap from episode one. The fuck happened?
>>14186021
Zeta's ratings were pretty bad for the 80s. It's not surprising that ZZ would go for a different atmosphere and have a cheaper production budget.
>>14186038
>Zeta's ratings were pretty bad for the 80s.
Post your source for this.
>>14186044
There was a bigger list before but I can't find it right now (I think it was even posted in that old Gunota blog).
http://www.videor.co.jp/data/ratedata/junre/03anime.htm
Anyway, look at these top 10 historical ratings. Quite a few of them are from the 80s. Top series in the 80s still could reach crazy 30% ratings. Zeta had a peak around ¨11% and an average around 6%.
Basically, Gundam is the only franchise that had an entry in the 80s that was considered successful in spite of having known ratings around that level. What made it a s success was obviously the merchandising, the Gunpla, which is why they went on with ZZ immediately afterwards, but heavily changed the show itself.
>>14186109
Also, after ZZ had even lower ratings, we then had years without a new Gundam show. And that wasn't due to Tomino's lack of interest. Remember, F91 didn't get approval for a full tv series.
>>14186109
Those ratings are only for the Kanto area, so the % are much higher than national ratings.
>>14186148
Also, the list you've posted doesn't specify if it counts rebroadcasts or not while the Zeta averages state that they do not count rebroadcasts in their calculations.
>>14185871
I'd still love to source on that, mostly because the Amuro thing sounds really far fetched to me.
>>14186148
Zeta's 6.4% average and 11.7% peak are only for Kanto too though. Those are the numbers most often reported publicly since Kanto by itself covers 1/3 of Japan's population.
This fucking thread man.
You "zz is bad/good" and you "z is bad/good" fuckers seriously need to stop posting, forever.
It's the height of absurdity to get so mad about other people's opinions like this. And the implication you must like one show or the other, never both is equally asinine.
Arguing about robot shows with you people is an exercise in futility, nobody ever convinces anyone of anything, you all just post your neuroses in text form and pretend like you're all the world's authority on decades old cartoons from an island nation you've never been to . Nobody ever leaves happy, save for the self serving, smug ass-holes who get off on pissing people off for no reason.
>>14186354
How is giving your opinion automatically equate to being mad about others' opinions? You're not making any sense.
>>14183408
He (you?) said FFS, not FSS.
>>14187561
You should know what he's referring to.
for fuck's sake is ffs not FFS
>>14186354
We can all agree that ZZ is non canon.
