Why does everyone in UC go FULL RETARD when they see a Gandumb?
They go full retard at all times in UC
Why does everyone in /M/ go FULL RETARD when they see a Unicorn?
>>14127213
because not everyone has a gundam
considering their track records, wouldn't you?
>>14127215
>They go full retard at all times in UC
This to be quite desu.
>>14127213
because such a gundam can kill 100 MS in one battle retard
>>14127239
how about Gato? did he kill thousands? or millions?
>>14127292
individual human lives aren't counted
Gundam is like the boss at the end of a stage in a beat-em-up
>>14127218
Because it saved gundamwithout the help of Tomino
>>14127292
Gato didn't kill anyone. He just freed their souls from gravity.
>>14127213
How would they not? Gundams are the most souped up mobile suits save for maybe the big bad's suit. The power and mobility can easily destroy the grunt suit you're in.
>>14127239
How many on-screen kills did Bellri get?
>>14128064
Only Dellensen and a handful of "warning shots"
Its like if you were to fight a super mega tank IRL
>>14127239
this shows how giving a gundam to a kid is dangerous
I've always liked how, in Unicorn, when Banana isn't in control and the Unicorn is just going full NT-D it looks like Amuro is piloting.
To answer the question though, basically the devil showed up in 0079 and killed the shit out of Zeon.
Amuro did something so crazy that he became the devil to Zeon and a vision of luck, prosperity, and victory to the Federation. Those feelings were then attached to the Gundam itself so seeing a Gundam became a sort of ceremonial/ominous kind of thing.
They wanted to recapture that lightning in Zeta and ZZ which is why there are so many fucking Gundam types in it.
Then Amuro again reminded everyone about the whole GANDAMU thing when he united the feelings of mankind and pulled off a miracle and saved Earth.
Seriously, who wouldn't be afraid of being this outmatched
>>14128265
>>14127239
Combined with the Big Cannon, can anyone else in UC come close?
>>14128265
That guy has to live knowing the only reason he isn't dead is because Amuro had more important people to kill.
>>14128265
damn, quality is so high -- that's not from 0079, is it?
>>14128351
its form a game
>>14128353
WAT GYAME
>>14128270
Is he a magican ? Fucking Newtypes how do they work
>>14128353
ok, what game it's form?
>>14128270
>filename
Seriously.
Resident Evil and Silent Hill got nothin on this motherfucker. He doesn't even need spooky music, all he has to do is count.
>>14128351
>>14128353
>>14128370
>>14128401
Gundam Senki 0081
>>14128265
>>14127239
Interesting that Amuro never killed a Gelgoog
>>14128370
>>14128401
Mobile Suit Gundam Battlefield Record UC 0081. From its opening cutscene.
>>14128374
It was a decoy
>>14127292
He had a Gundam at one time, and then after piloting one he knew what he was dealing with.
>>14128416
Fucking Zeonic Front. God damn that was horrifying.
>>14128757
What stage or level?
>>14127213
IT'S
>>14130011
I don't remember much but
>Okay just follow the white base
>No big deal
>Holyfuckingshit its the white devil out of nowhere
>Oh god they are dead
>Oh god have mercy
>Ran like a bitch
Live again for another day. That day happens to be another encounter with White Base.
>>14128416
>tfw no gundam game where you play as a zeon mook
>hear a teenager counting over the comms as your comrades scream
>he gets to 4...
>it all goes silent
>only you and your zaku are alone in the vastness of space far away from any capital shipthat's FIVE
>>14127239
>Watch those videos
Amuro is a monster.
The ZZ and V videos made me tear up. So many characters died in those series. Especially Victory.
>>14128270
>get a load of this guy standing perfectly sti-OH SHIT WHAT THE FUCK
>>14127239
Those stats for Amuro clearly don't include his kills in the Gryps Conflict or the first and second Neo-Zeon Wars.
>>14128270
shit's scarier with sound
https://youtu.be/TqvlM_WqQhk?t=9
>>14130617
>>14128270
>>14128374
>>14128540
I know Amuro loved his decoy in CCA, but I wonder how they managed to rig up a such a convincing decoy while white base was on the run.
>>14127213
>>14127239
I think it's more of an effect from wings and SEED.
The enemy in the older UC show typically don't shit their bed unless the main character have already established themselves. The titans in zeta were never scared of Kamille
>>14127213
It's too bad Marida, Mineva, and Banagher don't all die.
>>14128237
Why is Amuro so fucking awesome?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6NQfKgZnE0&feature=youtu.be
Time to worry
>>14131181
>White devil.
It is scary for sure.
>>14127213
Why does everyone in AD go FULL RETARD when they see a Gundumb?
Same reason.
>>14128265
>All dese shields and weps and he still jobs to a fucking crips
Jazz dude is an embarrassment to humanity
Amuro only needs a shield and a rifle
>>14131107
Well, he's not just for show unlike that faggot Char. How many did Char manage to down?
How many Gundams have managed to be destroyed in battle in UC? Statistically a Gundam showing up means an invincible enemy is on the enemy's side now.
>>14131376
>Jobs
Not a lose because he's an inferior pilot who's overconfidence led to his undoing.
Ha
>>14132078
The Zeta fucking rammed a tough-as-nails mobile suit and was still good to go for the sequel. We can safely say the Gundam is the Feddies "I win" button.
>>14130070
Even the Guncannons were fucking terrifying when they first appeared since they could one shot most of what you had at the time
Same reason that Russian and Allied tank crews were shitting in their tanks when they saw the SS Panzer divisions on the battlefield, or in WW1 when an Ace like Richtofen showed up. Aces are bad news, and seeing a Gundam usually means that there's an Ace in the pilot's seat.
>>14127213
In part, what >>14132158 and others said. Gundam is a legendary thing by this point in the timeline. And remember that in V they have a legend that 'Gundam' is a white mobile suit that shows up on the side of the oppressed in times of strife. People just know that face and there don't seem to be a lot of white suits that don't also have a giant visor.
But more to the point, most of the people that reacted to Unicorn showing up were Feds. Here they are on a mission, they just had a few Jegan teams and an ECOAS squad get routed by the 'quad-wing', when suddenly it bursts out of the colony alongside a bright white unknown. An unknown that it proceeds to spam a ton of beams at, only for them all to just bounce right off. And suddenly that white suit's armor bursts open and its body lights up glowing red, topped off by a gundam face and a giant V-fin.
Basically, this was a wholly unknown machine that suddenly did some crazy-ass shit none of them had seen before, AND suddenly had the face of the things that were legendary heroes of the Feds, standing up to the thing that had massacred their allies.
Later on, Full Frontal mentions it because he has Char's memories anyway, and Riddhe fixates on it and Newtypes because they seem to be the cause of all his pain, especially once he learns his family's past and Mineva leaves him. Marida fixates on Gundams when she's in Banshee because she's been brainwashed with some very simple programming. And Bright just kind of waxes nostalgic about seeing the legacy of Amuro, Kamille, and Judau at work in Bannagher.
>>14132114
Well, not if it gets stolen.
See: Titans
>>14130326
Zeonic front is p close homie.
>>14132084
>>14131376
He didn't lose, it was a draw.
He only lost on a personal level
>>14132326
>a wholly unknown machine that suddenly did some crazy-ass shit none of them had seen before
I especially liked that the guy reported that "it just transformed...no...HENSHIN into a Gundam!"
>>14127213
It's the same to them that a black military uniform is to us. There was this historical figure that terrified all its opponents at the time and its exploits border on legendary. Whenever someone vaguely resembles this enemy, you immediately project that fearsome mental image onto them.
The Gundam isn't known as "the great hero of the One Year War", it's known as THE WHITE DEVIL.
But back to the Nazi analogy:
If you go into battle dressed like The Red Skull, you're going to get one of two very distinct reactions. If you are at or below average, you'll get laughed at for your edginess and people will laugh when you die.
BUT if you rush in and single-handedly wipe out a 12-man squad, you are suddenly a legendary foe after your first battle. And since there haven't really been any instances of anyone fielding a Gundam-looking mobile suit that wasn't super-high-performance, the idea of "look at this poser" is buried under a whole lot of "OH SHIT! IT'S A GUNDAM!"
Why won't they animate the Re-GZ Custom?
>>14132847
It helps that the sequence is actually:
> Unicorn transforms
> Mineva: "Gundam..."
> Unicorn charges at Kshatriya, weaves easily through funnels and slashes them down with casual backhands
> Guy: "The unknown transformed... henshined - it's a Gundam!"
> Takuya: "No doubt about it, that's a Gundam!" etc.
> Other guy, to bridge: "Attention: the unknown mobile suit is confirmed to be a Gundam."
> Otto: "A gundam? No way!"
> Marida, as she's losing funnels: "Gundam... Gundam... Gundam is... THE ENEMY!"
It's like they were caught off guard by the v-fin, then when it started putting out crazy performance and it just confirmed that it wasn't just something with a face, but a real curbstomper.
>>14127213
Gundams were infamous in the universal century. I mean hell Amuro downed what like 50 zakus at one point? In one episode.
>>14127656
5 star fuckin post.
>>14128353
>>14128265
Dayum makes me want a reboot for the orginal series pretty bad.
>>14130779
Titans were elite though, plus ex-EF troops. They never had the psych trauma of Gundam.
Besides the impact of Gundam is further lowered by the fact that real White Devil is alive and well on Earth.
>>14134112
Original series is great as it is. The choreography would probably get worse under a new director and go for Thunderbolt-style 2fast shit.
>>14134103
Wasn't it 12 Doms?
>>14134213
If I recall right he actually destroyed 9 Doms and a Mobile Armour there, while the other 3 were taken out by Sayla/Hayato/Kai. It's been a while since I've seen 0079 though.
>>14130053Monty Python's Flying Circus
>>14134217
Well still its impressive since his suit wasn't really some over powered tech. Which is what I really enjoyed about IBO. I don't know why everyone is bitching about the series. Sure the politics were campy but the series was fun. And its nice to scale back the gundam to not something completely over powered.
>>14134502
Because Barbatos was overpowered. It barely took any damage. In fact, most damage was just Mika ejecting armor. Just because it wasn't firing lasers doesn't mean it wasn't overpowered.
>>14134510
Barely took any damage? The system that connects him to the machine does enough to his body. Also by overpowered I mean he doesn't have a high body count like most gundam pilots. His fighting style was closer to guts from berserk then anything we've seen in gundam before.
>>14134208
I humbly disagree.
>>14134531
>The system that connects him to the machine does enough to his body
We're not talking about Mikazuki, we're talking about Barbatos itself.
The problem I have with IBO fights is just that there weren't enough of them, and they tended to end really quickly. Like it'd jump to Mikazuki smashing a mobile suit with his mace.
That mace is fucking sick though.
>>14134531
No one gives a fuck about his body. We're talking about the machines. He doesn't have a high body count because 90% of the show is nothing. When he actually fights he murders people easily without taking damage.
>>14134538
For a TV series I felt the action was fine. I'm glad its getting another season maybe the next 25 episodes might change your mind and balance out the series in its entirety.
>>14127213
>Why does everyone in UC go FULL RETARD when they see a Gandumb?
The appearance of the Gundam is like a super robot pose. You have to elicit a sentiment of wonder and feel-good in the audience. That's why everyone goes "Oh Gundammmmm Sugoi."
>>14134542
I disagree strongly with you anon, but I'm glad you're getting another season of a show you like.
I just hope S2 executes the promise that IBO initially showed.
>>14134540
>We're talking about the machines.
Well excuse me princess. Who died and made you king of topics?
>>14134547
Goddamn reminds me of how much I love Gundam anime. I'm very happy with the recent resurgence. Even as bad and all over the place G reco was it was still a lot of dumb fun.
>>14134552
Considering the post you were replying to was talking about Barbatos not taking damage, you need to learn to follow conversations. No one ever talks about the pilot being injured in threads complaining about overpowered units.
>>14134566
Well I liked that aspect of the show. Sue me. And you should learn not to be so damned rude and condescending in your replies.
>>14134573
Stop being a pussycunt
Your response to someone saying "Barbatos barely took any damage" was "but mikazuki took damage"
It's fine to like that as part of the show, but it didn't actually refute the anons point that Barbatos barely took any damage.
>>14134573
Don't call someone rude because you can't follow conversations and are obviously new to not only /m/ but mecha fandoms as a whole.
>>14134502
>Wasn't overpowered tech
>Mikazuki coasts through every battle thanks to his AV system until he fights someone else with an AV system
HMMM
Gundam universe has no religious philosophy.
It's been a while since I watched Unicorn so please forgive me if it's answered in the show.
But why did the Feddies think it was a good idea to intercept the sleeves INSIDE OF A POPULATED COLONY.
I mean was that just the plot being dumb, or did I miss something?
>>14134914
To kill the Vist Foundation and Sleeves at the same time.
>>14134502
>>14134756
Well yeah, being the only guy on the field with his suit controls wired into his brain is a pretty huge advantage. Pretty much everyone else not a Tekkadan or a Brewer was a conventional pilot, even the Turbines. And not only that, Gundam frames have twin Ahab reactors while Grazes only have one. They literally have twice the power, and, thanks to the way Ahab waves work on nano-laminate, twice the durability.
But for all that power, how much damage did he actually do? Suits in IBO just seem to be crazy durable, and Tekkadan is constantly salvaging whatever they manage to defeat. I mean hell, Mika took out Orlis in one surprise hit, crushing the cockpit, but two episodes later Crank is tanking his blows with an arm buckler. Crank's Graze never even got that damaged - he only lost when Mika impaled his cockpit with the hidden pilebunker in the severed mace head. And even then he had to finish Crank off with a pistol and the Graze was easily repaired for Akihiro.
Pretty much every battle after that Mika spends most of it getting smacked around, but doesn't do much damage in return either. He might get an arm here or there, but he only ever seems to win if he can get the drop on the pilot and crush their cockpit. In a franchise full of suits that murder mooks by the dozen in seconds, it's hard to call Barbatos that overpowered.
>>14134914
Because what's a single colony against having the Laplace Box opened and wreck the Federation with its truth?
>>14134914
>plot being dumb
It is Unicorn you are talking about here.
>>14134914
They were going to sneak in, but then the Zulu guy went full retard NEO-ZEON BANZAI. And one of the ReZel pilots went and actually shot at him with a beam cannon, detonating the suit and tipping everyone off. After that, the Jegans tried to come in to seize the Garancieres but ran smack into Marida, and it just spiraled out of control from there. By the time the Nahel Argama got involved there was already damage being done inside by the fighting so they just started blasting open entry points to try to put Kshatriya down.
>>14135254
It's hilarious that Mika only has an average of one kill per battle, yet people bitch about how bloodthirsty he is.
>>14135254
This.
Mika only gets clean kills on enemies he has the drop on.
Whenever he gets locked in 1v1 glorious melee combat he has trouble killing them. See his fight with Crank, Lafter, McGillis, Gaelio and Ein
Even by last couple episodes, when you'd think he would extremely proficient in piloting his own Gundam, all he manages to do against the Kimaris Trooper is punch it's face.
>>14135997
He has gone around smacking grunts since the fight with Coral.
Named characters normally don't go down quickly.
>>14128179
WELL LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING BROTHER, I'VE BEEN THROUGH 29 ON SCREEN DOPP FIGHTER KILLS JACK. YOU KNOW /M/EAN GENE, THE HULKSTER IS ALWAYS WILLING TO TAKE ON NEWFAGS WONDERING, ABOUT MY GUNDAM SUPERIORITY BROTHER, WHEN SHITTY INTERNET SIGHTS, POST YOUR LAST SHOOTING TAPES, BUT THE GUNDAM DOESN'T FALTER JACK, WITH HIS LEGIONS OF GUNDAMANICS, FIGHTING AGAINST THOSE, TRYING TO BRING THE GUNDAM DOWN. SO WHAT YOU GONNA DO, WHEN GUNDAMANIA RUNS WILD ON YOU BROTHER!
>>14136049
True as that might be, he doesn't get many grunts either.
Here's his record:
> CGS raid (1-2): One-hit kills Orliss after bursting out of the ground, Ein rushes in against Crank's advice, loses a forearm and head armor
> Crank duel (3): Gets his mace chopped in half and ends up on his knees, only wins by grabbing the mace and impaling Crank's cockpit, has to finish Crank off with a handgun
> Orbital fight (5): Graze attacks the Tekkadan shuttle, Barbatos bursts out in a cloud of smoke and point-blank-cannons it, later impales Coral with the mace shot-lance, damages Ein and another Graze enough to sideline them, then gets dicked on by Gaelio and McGillis until Akihiro saves him in Graze Kai
> Turbine skirmish (7): Fights Lafter to a standstill, mostly gets rings flown around him
> Brewers surprise attack (10-11): Streaks in and one-hit-kills Pedro with a cockpit stab, can't overcome Gusion's armor
> Brewers counterattack (12-13): Bashes in a couple Man-Rodi cockpits, stabs Gusion's cockpit after a prolonged chase through the shoal field
> Skirmish near Dort (17): Kimaris flies rings around him, only catches it by letting Gaelio lance him in the torso pistons, gets saved by Gusion Rebake showing up and running Gaelio/Ein off.
> Re-entry skirmish (19): Kimaris again styles all over Barbatos until Mika surprises Gaelio with reactive armor, then takes the lance and hurls it back at him (Ein takes the hit instead). Carta squad rushes Mika, but four are swiftly dispatched by Grimgerde, one is shelled in the shoulder by Mika, and the final one chanchanbara's him all the way down until he crushes the cockpit with the katana and rides the Graze like a waverider
> Island battle (21): Charges into Carta's charge and puts one Graze on its back, then engages another, flips it over, and flattens its torso block with the dinowrench. Manages to seize Carta with the wrench twice, but she still gets away.
>>14136319
> Train duel (23): Takes out one mook before he can get in his cockpit, knocks the other flat and stomps his cockpit into a bloody tangle. Batters Carta slowly over a prolonged fight, knocking her away and letting her walk back onto to batter her again. Gaelio intervenes before he can stab her cockpit, but she still keels over from, I dunno, traumatic brain injury or something.
> Edmonton (24-25: Kills unspecified number of Grazes over 3 days, then gets dunked on and pinned down by Kimaris Trooper, can't stop Ein from wrecking everyone else. McGillis has to intervene to let him fight Ein, and then he only defeats Ein when he pushes so deep into AV he hemorrhages his right eye and fries the nerves in one arm.
>>14135997
>>14136049
I think it just goes to show that he doesn't have any formal military training and relies too heavily on the alovira system. I wouldn't call him a natural nor a genius. I can't wait for the next season.
>>14136319
>>14136332
It goes to show that in the atmosphere on mars where war is common place is decided on money. Casualties just don't occur unless you are human debris which they don't even probably count them into the casualties anyways.
>>14135254
But that just makes it all the boring aspects of an overpowered mech devoid of all the entertaining aspects. Sure, the Barbatos gets smacked about, but there's no real damage. It's all superficial. And you're right, he doesn't do much damage himself. So what we get is an overpowered mech which doesn't achieve much.
>>14134502
>Not overpowered
Watch the battle between Barbie and Graze Ein.
>>14137187
>Barbie
Ah, what episode is that? I don't recall that character? Was that the evil punk guy who was leading the pmc with all the kids and the one guy's brother?
>>14137109
I found it compelling. OH NO HE DOESN'T TAKE DAMAGE which I'm pretty sure there were times when he lost an arm and got dinged up pretty bad when he got ganged up on but I might be misremembering things. I enjoyed the series through and through. You are more then welcome to disagree. I mean the story is half over for fuck's sake. Give it the next season at least if you care that much.
>>14137389
Oh fuck off, you should've said "opinions" right from the start. Don't play that card in the middle.
And what the fuck are you talking about? What's this got to do with me watching or not watching IBO's second half?
>>14137389
And "beamspam" series often have shields lost, parts nicked, and so on but nobody remembers that because of >liking shitty beamspam memes. Even Gundams are damaged every so often in battle. Barbatos advertised the cannibalization as its gimmick and we get jack shit in the series. "Oh, it lost the shoulders, big deal because it'll get a couple graze parts next episode. Oh wow, it lost a piece of the arm armor, looks like they're putting a Graze anchor on it. Oh look they rebuilt Barbatos so now it won't cannibalize anything for 12 episodes." It never adds any weight to the battles and feels like a blatant gimmick for gunpla, an upgrade even, when it happens. Never a danger or issue. That failure to reinforce a sense of urgency or danger in the story (despite incessant explanations to the audience about it) for most of the show's run was a serious issue and it rears its ugly head here, too.
>>14137476
>And what the fuck are you talking about? What's this got to do with me watching or not watching IBO's second half?
It means its not a complete story yet. No need to be rude. Why can't people in thread be civil?
>>14137489
Cool. Please repeat your arguments again in even larger blocks of text because I clearly didn't understand them the first time. I understand people were pissed off at the series but again I disagree. Sure the robot wasn't shown utterly destroyed in every episode it was involved in but I don't feel that subtracted from the series. Its sci fi anyways and not based in reality and it in no way challenged my sense of disbelief and I'm sorry your way of life was threatened by this series of moving pictures.
>>14137520
I'm actually a different anon, that was my first post itt.
My opinion on how this topic is uninfluenced by my overall feelings of the series, I just talk that way because it is one of the things that caused the series to fail in my opinion. I'm just stating why the fights were very weak when you say they were compelling and seeing if you had any reasoning to back up your opinion besides "it's my enjoyment and I can like shit if I want to".
Don't pull the sci-fi excuse when we're obviously comparing to other mecha, either.
Other anon was bewildered as to why you would bring up the second part in this context when it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, as if you were using it as part of your argument. Which I hope you weren't.
>>14137389
What people take as DID HE TAKE DAMAGE OR NOT should really be "was there any actual tension in the episode/series?"
>>14136319
> Skirmish near Dort (17): Kimaris flies rings around him, only catches it by letting Gaelio lance him in the torso pistons, gets saved by Gusion Rebake showing up and running Gaelio/Ein off.
Let's not forget that he massacred like 10 grunts over the span of a few minutes before Gaelio even showed up.
>>14137520
>No need to be rude
You started it, with playing the opinion card in the middle of a discussion and implying that because the show wasn't finished yet my arguments are only half valid. That, or it had fucking nothing to do with what we were talking about and you were just bringing up some out of field shit for no reason.
>>14137652
>You started it
And I'm finishing it by ignore your post.
>>14137563
I don't suspect every episode packed with tension so thats a non-issue.
>>14137552
Look man I just came off a long weekend of basically drinking and partying. I'm just trying to keep it light. I didn't mean to piss anyone off. I'm not hard on gundam at all. I mostly like to judge it for what it is. I used to be harder on anime and I would acknowledge it if it was better. I admit it was kind of slow and I see the problem with the lack of action. But over the course of 25 weeks and compared to G reco or thunderbolt as well as 00. I'd say its pretty average to really good.
>>14128072
He got Rockpie as well.
>>14137660
>bububu im a fucking child
Alrighty then
>>14137660
I guess all that drinking is taking a toll on your brain cells. I'll accept that you enjoyed it but it's mediocre at the best of times. I don't mean I didn't enjoy it; I mean that the animation, characterization, plot, atmosphere, music, writing, pacing, world building, and consistency were all average at their peaks and usually hovered below mediocre. On top of that, I also did not enjoy it, but that's a separate measure.
In other words you have a serious case of shit taste. There is no cure but you can hope for a miracle.
>>14137689
>Pfft, look at this guy. Enjoying things, what a loser am I right?
No series is ever as bad as /m/ says it is. A show can be something other than between 'total shit' and GOAT. You yourself said it was average, so why deride him for liking it? I've not seen IBO yet, but if I ever get round to it I'll probably think "Eh, it was alright". What I won't do is declare it shit so I can leap onto /m/ to boost my ego by deriding others for their clearly inferior taste.
>>14137676
>>14137689
Sure.
>>14137489
>Barbatos advertised the cannibalization as its gimmick and we get jack shit in the series.
And yet the first two things you describe in the quotes right afterwards are it cannibalizing shit.
>>14137689
>your opinions are opinions
>my opinions are objective facts
>>14127292
Gato's on screen kills amounted to less than Yazan's named kills.
Is it bad that I actually like the new unicorn anime? And think it is better than the movie?
>>14138725
My criticism is substantial, his defense isn't.
>>14137805
It happened all of 4 times in 26 episodes. I don't expect it to get thrashed every episode but a bit more than an outright upgrade would have been nice. It never felt necessary.
>>14128464
yeah, because the Gelgoog was even a better suit than the Rx78. So, it was more like just lucky that he probably perceived Char and he was immediately focused on him
>>14139020
>My criticism is substantial
In terms of volume, yes, but the actual content is just you expressing an opinion that a certain element or elements of a show is/are bad, which is almost always contestible.
For instance, if I said I thought G-Reco's plot was a bit of a mess because the focus was constantly shifting and it seemed like they couldn't make up their minds what they were doing, then that would be criticism because there's reasoning behind it (you'd also be free to contest that reasoning in critical discourse). What you are doing is the committing the old fallacy that 'because it's bad' constitutes criticism.
>>14131376
Jazzman isn't a newtype. He only got the Gundam because every other mobile suit pilot who was ranked higher than him died and the Federation brass wanted to make a martyr out of him due to his ties to the old leadership of Side 4
>>14139043
>It never adds any weight to the battles and feels like a blatant gimmick for gunpla, an upgrade even, when it happens. Never a danger or issue. That failure to reinforce a sense of urgency or danger in the story (despite incessant explanations to the audience about it) for most of the show's run was a serious issue and it rears its ugly head here, too.
That's all I've really been arguing, the rest was just commentary. All I've gotten in response is "cool story bro tell it again" and "well I liked it, it's just a show, don't be so critical". I haven't bothered to go further with it because I've had no rebuttal.
As much as I loved G-Reco, I can agree with what you said. However, I can also argue that (in my opinion) the bad qualities are outweighed by the high-quality animation and battles, lively and interesting characters, moderately fleshed-out world (although this is one of the reasons for the pacing problems), and so on. But that's a different conversation and I only bring it up to show that I'll engage is actual discourse if I'm given something to argue against.
>>14139159
I can't really engage in discourse about IBO, since I haven't actually watched it. It just irritates me when people say things to the effect of 'it's shit' and dismiss an entire work. I've always felt that you should look for things to like rather than look for things to dislike. Maybe it's not very critical, but it's also a lot more enjoyable.
I don't think G-Reco is a bad show. I'd say it's biggest weakness is the cast too often like the Tomino characters they are, with all the weirdness that entails, with his writing also making things come across kind of strange in general. The pacing and inconsistent direction was just what led me to not really be hooked and take a while to finish it. On the whole, it was alright, and the positives you listed are definitely there. It's certainly far from as bad as most people like to claim.
Although on the topic, isn't G-Reco's kind of in the same boat? Many often one-shot packs that are also a blatant gunplay gimmick, never any danger (because of how OP the G-Self is by comparison) and no real sense of urgency?
None of this bothers me, it's just that your points reminded me of it.
>>14139198
I did. I really liked it at first. But my enjoyment was built on expectations and the show threw out what I liked in favor of centralizing the things everyone complains about. I can't repeat the same arguments over and over because I've been doing it for weeks now and it just gets tiresome, so unless someone feels like offering rebuttal to my first statement then I'm not going to bother going back over it.
>>14127215
>They go full retard at all times in UC
Yeah, honestly it'd be weird for anyone to be mentally healthy and/or competent in UC. Everybody's a fuckup for one reason or another; it's a miracle they have space colonizing civilization at all.
>>14132078
umm..
gundam 4 or 5 got mission killed
same with mudrock and alex
outside of those the only ones I can think of that were outright destroyed was the rx-78-2s that got destroyed in the beginning of gundam and amuros rx-78-2 + the GP-01 & 2 plus Gerb Tetra if it still counts, and a few V gundams
>>14139280
Oh, and G-Reco is just the same as usual Gundam pack switching. The gimmick is central to its battle in G-Reco's (and most gimmick-of-the-week Gundams') case, while IBO would be almost completely unchanged. Form 6 is the only one that really matters (because it's the Land Combat form, not because it changes anything about the way it battles) but when Teiwaz showed that they could fully and perfectly rebuild Barbatos with little trouble, it kind of ruins the idea that they need to cannibalize anything. It doesn't back up the theme that they're underdogs who salvage every piece of scrap and turn it against their foes.
>>14139198
>never any danger (because of how OP the G-Self is by comparison) and no real sense of urgency?
I would honestly argue the main difference was that IBO presented itself as super gritty "poor orphans against the world" whereas G-Reco was more of a seemingly lighthearted adventure about exploring the world. Both lacked danger and urgency, but it was more at odds with the setting in one more than the other.
>>14139441
> G-Reco was more of a seemingly lighthearted adventure about exploring the world
Yeah, but that wasn't really what G-Reco was about though. It was very vibrant and colourful, but that tied into the toyetic attitude much of the cast had about war, with the capital army very much having the demeanour of a kid who just keeps getting shiny new toys to play with, and the spacenoids are no better. People often don't act like there's much gravity to the situation, but that's the point. They live in a world that's forgotten war and upon regaining the capacity for it figure that it's the coolest shit ever and they totally want in on it. Particularly the G-IT labs people, who built a mobile suit with a fucking moonlight butterfly and just left it lying around with the rest of their prototypes like it's of no significance at all. And then they play space banditos despite clearly not having the stomach for it, and figure their cool tech will be enough for them, a bunch of scientists, to win a war with ease.
Now, that aside I'm pressed to think of a main Gundam series where there really was as much of a sense of urgency as you say you want. By their very nature Gundams are monstrous and near invincible, and the franchise has always been kind of a space opera, a grand clash of ideals and wills and philosophies, as opposed to Hamburger Hill. There are a few Gundam series like that (08th MS Team and Thunderbolt spring to mind) but they're always side stories, in the minority, and generally even when it's a bit more serious or grim Gundam has a hard time shaking off the somewhat cheesy habits that are at the core of the franchise (00 is a good example of this).
Though I do think that basing your enjoyment on expectations is a bad habit. You dislike things purely because you stray from what you had thought they'd be rather than judging them purely on their own merit.
>>14139318
If you count Crossbone then there's also a few F-91s, F-90s and all three Crossbone units.
>>14139600
Victory really caught the urgency/danger imo. Not just with deaths but how people act in and out of battles. IBO doesn't even come close.
>>14136875
>GH is becoming irrelevant, time to bust out the Gundams
>Non Martian and some Martian PMC and organisations join with Blocs in order to create their own military or to be suppliers, more non Graze MS.
>some nigger with a AV will eventually get involved midway
>gets a high performance Gundam
That would be a ride.
>>14139198
>I've always felt you should look for things to like rather than look for things to dislike
You think that's every complainer? I'm not saying that there aren't people who went into IBO with the intention of shitting on it, but you're doing a disservice to those who went into IBO with hopes and expectations, like me. To pretend that people who say "It's shit" are just negative nancies who didn't try hard enough to like it is kind of insulting.
>>14141758
That's a separate issue from what I stated. That quote was more about looking at things in a positive light rather than a negative one, the notion that if you deliberately look for faults in a work then you'll certainly find something you can call a fault, but that won't add to your enjoyment of the work itself, only detract from it.
As for the point you just made, I've always felt that one should try and avoid having expectations, and especially hopes, since a work will invariably diverge from the first, causing you to dislike it more than you otherwise would, and the second is so vague as to be basically unfulfillable by something that actually exists. No work will ever be as good as you hope it will be.
Now, I can't claim to be above this, I went into G-Reco with hopes and expectations. It's just that when it ended up differently than expected I shrugged and started taking it as what it was instead of disliking it for its divergence, and when it ended up not as good as expected I didn't declare it to be shit, I just thought it was alright.
It just irritates me a bit when people say a series sucked and then suggest some potential improvements that would effectively just turn it into a different series, one that they did like. I don't feel it's fair to say "This Gundam show (a series known for being corny at the best of times) isn't grim and serious and gritty enough. This is just my outlook, but I'd never expect a Gundam show to be Votoms (or whatever). You'll always have your peace princess, or your camp mask wearing rival, or above all your overpowered protagonist suit. It's just what the franchise is like.
>>14141781
Fuck man, I can't turn off my "bad-o-vision", if I see some negatives I see negatives, if i see some positives I see some positives. That's normal for me, makes sense to me. Anything else would be lying to myself.
And I'm not talking about complex hopes and expectations, I'm simply hoping the show is as good as the trailer lets on, I'm expecting the show to be interesting or enjoyable or something that makes me want to watch it. If a show fails in these regards, fuck the show.
>>14141794
Sure, I can see negatives in series. I can just ignore them unless they're really, really egregious. They simply don't bother me all that much most of the time. As for expectations it will be "good" good it pretty vague, as is anything you could use to clarifly. "Well written characters", or "gripping drama" or "exciting action" or whatever. Whether something meets these qualifiers is usually down to whether or not it clicks with the individual. In your case it didn't, which is unfortunate because it meant you didn't enjoy the experience, but it doesn't mean that that experience is universal and that other people should have the same experience. The only real exception is when some aspect is so extreme as to garner a near universal consensus, e.g. Destiny used way too much stock footage. I'm not saying you're wrong for not liking the show, but I am saying you're wrong for thinking other people are wrong just because they do. Entertainment value isn't really quantifiable like that.
When I see people enjoying a series I didn't, my reaction isn't disdain for their obviously poor taste, it's jealousy that they were able to have a good time and I wasn't.
>>14141811
I never said anything about other people being wrong for liking what I don't like. I'm not going to pretending I don't feel that way, but I don't go around posting about it, so whats it matter?
You can explain these things about how it's not a rational way to think, but I don't find it to be a way of thinking, just a feeling. I feel disdain, not think it. It's not rational at all.
>>14141839
>I never said anything about other people being wrong for liking what I don't like
>>14137689
>In other words you have a serious case of shit taste. There is no cure but you can hope for a miracle.
Unless that wasn't you, in which case apologies for the mixup.
I didn't say it was irrational (though it is, but feelings always are), just that it's an unpleasant outlook to be in the position of having, since you enjoy less and disdain more.
>>14141815
And seriously? You feel jealousy, I feel disdain, how is your feeling any better? Rather than think others are wrong, you think your wrong. Neither are rational
>>14141857
That post was mine, I'm in the middle of typing a response. The anon you were just talking to picked up the conversation from >>14141758
>>14141859
You look down on other people for enjoying something you didn't, you out yourself above them. Me, I wish I was over there with them.
>>14141857
Not me, I replied much later than that guy.
I'm sure it's unpleasant from your outlook, you look for positives and such. What you fail to understand is that disdain feels kinda good. It's assurance of yourself over others. Just remember, I don't legitimately think that, Its just the feeling that comes natural
>>14141873
See, you're right that it's a natural occurrence, but feeling better than others immediately makes me feel like a terrible dick, so it's something I avoid. Because if I consistently felt better than others then I would be a terrible dick.God only knows what I'm still doing on /m/...
>>14141872
So what, what's bad about that? You've said that before, there's nothing new there. Don't mean to be abrasive, just saying your not expressing anything new?
I simply don't want to be with those people, being other there with people saying a bunch of things that are "wrong" is not an attractive experience. Not only that, but I could instead be with people who feel similarly. After all, isn't that what you want? To feel the same way as the people who enjoyed it?
>>14141885
But they are not "wrong". Entertainment is almost purely subjective and to act otherwise is both arrogant and stupid.
Give me people who actually like things over miserable misanthropes any day. I'll gladly take the former's passion over the latter's grumping and griping.
>>14141872
I don't put myself above them for some power trip. You're just prioritizing "enjoyment" over anything else. I have standards. I don't like to lower those standards (I'm watching mecha so they're already pretty low) unless the work captures my heart. That's a rare occurrence, and a good thing too, because it makes those works special and significant. You're saying you wish you could just turn off your brain and like everything instead of enjoying the quality of the work. And yes, there is objectively better-written anime. It's the difference between Harry Potter and The Sun Also Rises. Obviously I'm not looking for Oliver Twist in IBO's or whatever show's characters but I expect an effort.
You can eat shit and you can have a grand old time eating it, I just won't want to join you.
>>14141895
That's why I said "wrong" in quotation marks, because they're not wrong at all, it's just a feeling. I thought you would have understood that by now, don't call me arrogant and stupid, when your so quickly jumping at something we've been over.
But there's something that's wrong, you think I can't be passionate about shitting on a show? I fucking love shit-talking garbage, just as much as I do gushing about a show I love.
So from my perspective, your still trying to put your point of view over mine. I was never trying to say that mine was better, just that yours is no better. The moment you accept that, you can move on.
>>14141896
>You're just prioritizing "enjoyment" over anything else
Yeah, god forbid someone enjoy a piece of entertainment.
>I have standards
Both standards and the things they measure are completely arbitrary, inconsistent and personal. And validating oneself by declaring other people to have worse standards than you because they don't want to be a bunch of miserable hating everything bastards is a pretty wretched state of existence.
>You're saying you wish you could just turn off your brain and like everything instead of enjoying the quality of the work.
No, only that I'm envious of people that enjoyed something I didn't. I don't look down on them for enjoying it because their experience is different from mine. Whenever someone states they like Destiny I'm not going to shit on them for it (unless they try to argue the toss over it), because I'm honestly just fascinated (and a little impressed).
>I don't put myself above them for some power trip
Really, cause it sounds kind of like you are:
>You can eat shit and you can have a grand old time eating it, I just won't want to join you.
On that note, the "Just because you like shit doesn't make it not shit" argument always sets me off because of how fucking presumptuous it is about the absolute state of existence a work of fucking entertainment. No, it is not shit. No work is absolute shit. Everything has some potential and something to enjoy, and all power to the people that can find it.
>>14141910
>you think I can't be passionate about shitting on a show? I fucking love shit-talking garbage
Yeah see, I don't. I don't enjoy negatives for any reason, I've never been able to like a work for being 'So bad it's good', I've only found them cringe worthy.
You can certainly be passionate about hating something, but that just makes you kind of a dick because it comes at the expense of sneering at other people, be it the creators or the audience. I just feel that if you don't enjoy something you should just write it off as a loss and move on instead of hanging around and spiting bile at anyone that comes near.
I'm not extoling the virtues of my outlook here, just stating that from where I'm sitting you look like kind of a dick.
>>14141919
>Yeah, god forbid someone enjoy a piece of entertainment.
Not just "someone". I'm talking to you. Entertainment should come from realizing and appreciating universal qualities that exist in everything from daily conversation to masterpieces. Something as simple as "witty humor" can be a scorching satire of the British nobility or a Marvel hero's one-liner. But they both rely on delivery (acting and timing), the joke's wittiness, targeting the correct audience, etc. Humor is still obviously much more subjective than the story or animation of a series but the fact remains that there are objective aspects to judging even art. You forfeit much subjectivity when you write such a formulaic show anyway.
>Both standards and the things they measure are completely arbitrary, inconsistent and personal.
I don't hate everything, far from it. I'm here because I love mecha and anime and sci-fi and a million other things. Not everything can be good, but even still I don't usually keep watching bad shows with only a few exceptions. I don't want to see people scrape bottom-of-the-barrel dreck and declare it great because I know they could be watching something better. Are you unfamiliar with literary criticism?
>>14141919
>No, only that I'm envious of people that enjoyed something I didn't. I don't look down on them for enjoying it because their experience is different from mine. Whenever someone states they like Destiny I'm not going to shit on them for it (unless they try to argue the toss over it), because I'm honestly just fascinated (and a little impressed).
Maybe if the issues hadn't been discussed year for over a decade almost literally non-stop. If someone says they like it because they thought it was good, I will call them out on shit taste. If they say like some other anon recently that they pretend to be a middle school fujo in order to enjoy it, color me impressed. That's just a guilty pleasure. However, since I know that the show has serious objective flaws, I don't mind not enjoying.
>No, it is not shit.
Standards may be personal but to claim that everything is worthy of the same level of respect is disrespectful towards the things that truly deserve it. Why would you encourage people to continue enjoying things that are without merit or an objective shred of quality? Why not push them to something better?
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Fell asleep before hitting post on these.
>>14127213
You remember when Scirocco mind fucked Kamile and turned him into a retard? Gundams do the same thing but on a much wilder scale, however since the effect is spread much more thin it has a harder time making people go full retarded, and the effects are usually not as permanent. That's the power of the Gundam.
>>14135973
It is possible to be bloodthirsty and not kill that much.
>>14134573
>barbatos doesn't take much damage
>HUR DUR THE PILOT INSIDE IS BLEEDING
>b-but I like that aspect
Try to understand anon, you seem to be flailing around, this isn't a hug box where people are gonna be nice, this is an internet image board where no one can reach the other's face with a punch.
Grow a set of balls and get over the text on the screen and learn to better flow with the conversation, or leave with whatever dignity you have left
Thread turned into IBO discussion.
>>14141927
>I've never been able to like a work for being 'so bad it's good'
That's not what i'm talking about, im talking about disdaining something, It feels good. It's feel better with like-minded people. It's completely separate from "so bad it's good". It's not enjoyment, it's different. You convince me more and more you don't understand what i'm talking about. I know what your talking about, I fucking wish I could like Zeta Gundam more.
I don't care about being a dick. That's not even legitimate criticism at this point, it's just whining.
>I just feel
Great, more feelings.
>I'm not extoling the virtues of my outlook here
100% corrrect, your only criticizing mine. There's no fucking difference, rather than put yourself above me, your putting me below you.
Just admit that your outlook isn't more correct.
>>14142091
That sure explains the fans.
