So the Queen Emeraldas manga is getting an official release by Kodansha. ...Could we finally start to see some appreciation for his manga in the west?!
The only prior official release Leiji has had in the US is from when VIZ decided to release a few volumes of the GE999 sequel manga before dropping it.
Kodansha also holds the rights to V2 Panzer and MIRAIZER BAN which AnimeKritic wrote about a few years ago.
https://animekritik.wordpress.com/alberichs-dream/v2-panzer-rough-ride-and-guide/
https://animekritik.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/riding-into-the-sunrise-of-a-new-year-with-serazard/
>>14111498
I was about to request some Leiji manga yesterday in the Vertical submission form but found out they don't want anything from before 2006 which is unfortunate since I there are a lot of great older manga I want to see brought to the west, nice to see Kodansha getting some Leiji Matsumoto. I wonder if we'll see other works like The Cockpit which I'd love to own and also Galaxy Express 999, but I heard that has some issues with previously being translated and they stopped around volume 10 if I remember correctly.
>>14111521
Yeah, like I said, VIZ picked it up over a decade ago and started after the original lapse. Picking up where the Eternal Fantasy movie takes place. I own all the translated volumes too.
>>14111498
That manga was already fan translated and it was a huge letdown. The stories are bland and uninspired the art feels lazy and seriously lacking. I'm not buying it, despite liking some of the anime adaptations. It doesn't live up to the hype. I hope Kodansha could get the license for stuff better than this.
>>14111550
Such is the way it works with Leiji. With him, unlike most other mangaka, adaptations of his work are far superior to his original version.
>>14111550
Generally speaking, Leiji is only good at coming up with concepts, but not at executing them at all.
>>14111550
So the scene where the MC's boss orders his men toexecute his daughterdid nothing for you?
>>14111565
How many of his manga have you read?
Harlock Saga is fucking amazing.
>>14111549
Would you ever consider scanning those volumes? I'd edit them for you. Understandable if you don't want to though, those books are supposed to be pretty rare.
>>14111583
Plenty.
>>14111550
As expected of Lazy Matsumoto
>mfw reading Captain Harlock
>enjoying the shit out of it
>all those questions
>dropped ending
shit, I was so mad, I did not know anything about lazy matsumoto before.
>>14113092
The anime has the ending, lad.
>>14112455
You either have a bad opinion, or you're fully of shit.
Gun Frontier - Manga is far more bleak, more sex, and far more story. Incredibly unique and nothing else like it.
Galaxy Express 999 - Manga doesn't have the problem that anime has where a bunch of episodes are essentially the same thing. Story is also more consistent regarding Maetel.
Captain Harlock - Less time spent on shitty earth, less episodic, no annoying Daiba or little girl to get in the way.
Harlock Saga - Shouldn't have to explain this one.
Also feel the need to ask where was Queen Emeraldas hyped as being something epic? I think most people just consider it side material for a character mentioned in the Harlock manga a few times. And even then it's better than the anime we got because it lacks all those contradictions the anime created.
>>14113767
>because it lacks all those contradictions the anime created.
Was there any point in the Leijiverse that didn't contradict itself?
Queen Emeraldas is rather tame when it comes to contradictions, Maetel Legend and Space Symphony Maetel are much worse in that regard, hell, even the GE999 movies are pretty inconsistent.
>>14113767
but I dont like to watch anime.
>>14114056
Then you're on the wrong board.
>>14114015
I'm saying his manga are more consistent even though he probably never had continuity in mind.
Also, still sad this will probably never be released.
http://www.albatorssx.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1481
>>14114292
Also this
and there was also an anime of Sexaroid announced...and I remember an interview where Leiji talked about more Galaxy Railways anime.
>>14114325
>>14114328
Here's Sexaroid from 2014.
Some other announced things include a live action GE999 film and another 3D Harlock movie.
>>14111583
>So the scene where the MC's boss orders his men to execute his daughter did nothing for you?
Nope. When you read classic manga like Tezuka or Ishinmori you already expect shit like that to happen. It's nothing groundbreaking.
>>14116036
I hope you don't think Tezuka is good.
>>14116049
Better than Matsumoto at the very least.
>>14116090
Maybe if you like hilariously edgy stuff. Only decent things he ever did were his manga aimed at children.
>>14116110
I can't remember anything decent Matsumoto did.
>>14116110
>edgy
Nice meaningless buzzword.
>>14116199
GE999, Gun Frontier, Captain Harlock, Queen Millennia, Harlock Saga, Yamato, Ozuma, The Cockpit...
>>14116218
Okay, a snake eating a baby, a woman being cooked like a chicken nugget, a grown woman licking a naked sculpture of her fat mom.
>>14116242
Nothing out of place.
>>14116239
I'm still waiting.
>>14116321
Spic?
>>14117009
>>14116110
Except for the fact that Tezuka actually broke taboos by making two characters kiss in his manga, something which is unheard of, before his time.
He invented the whole genre of actual storytelling. Before Tezuka, most mangas were something you would read and throw away. The fact that you even think Matsumoto is even remotely comparable to Tezuka is hilarious and wrong.
Leiji Matsumoto has some merit for his romantic take on sci fi stories, but all of those ideas and concepts were only executed decently in the adaptation of his stuff.
Matsumoto is a terrible manga artist, below Ishinomori and even Nagai.
>>14117073
Tezuka dicksuckers are hilarious. Go masturbate to a rat or something.
>>14117073
Ah, I was waiting for you to show, can't really have a Matsumoto thread with you coming out and spewing your bullshit I guess.
>>14117113
He's right, though.
>>14117119
>He's right, though.
No he is not. Matsumoto is a shit manga artist. Seriously look at his art. It's abysmal, and any reappraisal he may have is entirely due to the several anime adapations of his works. Matsumoto even accounting for his particular esthetic can't draw for shit.
>>14117169
Hush, where did Harlock touch you?
>>14114062
What board is he supposed to go then? /a/'s an even bigger pleb when it comes to old manga.
>>14117169
What part of Matsumoto is a shitty artist you didn't got?
>>14117177
Not really, no. Probably some place that isn't 4chan.
>>14117408
>>14117169
Good meme.
>>14117169
Matsumoto isn't a shit manga artist. But his work would never existed without Tezuka or even Tatsumi.
And calling Tezuka "Edgy" make no sense at all and is equivalent to calling Leji's work "naïve".
>>14117563
Nice rebuttal.
>>14117743
>Matsumoto isn't a shit manga artist
Yes, he is.
>>14117785
You've said nothing other than
>he's shit just because
>>14117743
His works in the 70s and 80's rely on shock factor. They're edgy.
>>14117863
No they don't, and no they aren't. Stop misusing buzzwords.
>Bitching about Leiji
When did /m/ get invaded by newfags?
>>14117927
People have been bitching about lazy for a long time
>>14117867
If you think those scenes exist for any reason other than bad shock factor, I don't know what to tell you.
>>14117996
You don't need to tell me anything, since Leijifags know nothing about anything.
>>14117743
Tatsumi is not that relevant to manga as a whole. Only here there's this assumption for some reason.
>>14117863
By today standards maybe. But you can't just use such a word for an artist without taking the context into consideration.
When Tezuka did what you call "shock factor" this was a new thing, plus it was not the only trope he use.
The terme "Edgy" can't aply to author that precede the word.
>>14118568
Well kind of, he was one of the first artist to draw "serious" manga. And because of the succes it got, artist like Tezuka began to make more dramatic stories too.
>>14119293
>When Tezuka did what you call "shock factor" this was a new thing, plus it was not the only trope he use.
It was not, he was trying to keep up with the industry because of the gekiga movement and he failed at it. Meanwhile, Ishinomori was doing Sabu and Ichi.
>>14119293
By today's standards they aren't very good. Dramatic stories weren't his forte and it doesn't help he couldn't keep his art style consistent. His "dramatic" stories constantly switch back from "realistic" to disney.
>>14119383
This. He was fading in relevance. His artwork couldn't keep up in terms of quality either.
>>14111498
>..Could we finally start to see some appreciation for his manga in the west?!
USA isn't the only place in the West.
Italy got a lot of Matsumoto manga
>>14120470
I'm not trying to say Tezuka's work are perfect, of course they're old now.
But don't pretend that Matsumoto is always super serious and coherent in his style. There is plenty of shift tone in his work too, with a weird and often comical chara-design.
Not being always serious and do some poor narration was something manga artist do in the 50's to 70's. With some exception and evolution of course.
Tezuka isn't better than Matsumoto, and Matsumoto isn't better than Tezuka, Nagai, Ishinomori, Tatsumi, Mizuki and so on. Those were monumental author that profoundly influenced their medium in different ways. You should alway keep that in mind when reading those series.
Again you can't call someone "Edgy" if he produced titles before "edge" exist. And the Gekiga movement wasn't "edgy" as well. Edge is a quite dumb concept that appear way after with the 80's OVA's.
>>14121517
I never said Leiji was always super serious. His style IS more coherent. The comical characters always look comical. Leiji doesn't go for a realistic super gritty art style like Tezuka does sometimes and then randomly going Disney for a panel or so.
As for me saying Tezuka is "edgy" being a problem because the term didn't exist back then, how about "This graphic scene doesn't advance the narrative in any way other than to shock the reader." Because he does that.
>>14121533
>This graphic scene doesn't advance the narrative in any way other than to shock the reader.
I can hear that. And I'm glad every page isn't necessarily related to the plot.
As far as shock goes, I only see some "tragic" scene on some of his later works, but killing a character (or many, even in a ridiculous or over dramatic) can be used to make a point.
Tezuka has a very optimistic view of the human kind, but in order for the good guys to win he often make bad guys really really evil. And the struggle between good and evil may not be the greatest theme in existence but it's not just "shock factor". In "message to adolf" this is very clear for instance.
>>14121580
I dunno, a lot of times when he kills off a character it feels like he's only doing it because he's done all he can with the character to advance the plot. Especially with female characters.
>>14121595
His woman characters are a bit weird. I can't tell if he just don't know how to give them a proper role, or if he want to show "the tragedy of being a woman in time of war" and stuff like that.
I guess it is both, some interviews (more like some prefaces) show he is trying to put some tragedy, but in the actual manga it is not that great.
But again, sometimes it's just to show all the evilness of the villain, and make the victory of the good guys more spectacular, or to gave the protagonist or the antagonist a pretext to pursue the story.
