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Which nation/organization has the best Mortar Headdsand why is it Bakinnrakkan?
>>14106637
Isn't that the only MH they have?
The only correct answer is Fillmore. Most solid yet diverse group if designs. Hathuha is okay too. Anyone who says AKD or Colus has boring taste.
>>14106699
>Isn't that the only MH they have?
They also have the Vaiola and a handful other designs that showed up only in the manga. I tend to group them and Trun together though, so that also includes other MH like Viewlard's Biblos.
Feedorah is truly based design though.
>started reading the manga
>gay jokes, bishounen everywhere
i didn't know what i expected
>>14107698
I mean this, this is a man right here
>>14107723
Sweet sweet Sopp
>>14106699
Fillmore is the correct answer on sheer variety with consistent quality, but I'm a sucker for the A-Toll. Based green monoeye with automatic shields.
>>14106699
IDK, I agree with Colus being boring even if the Berlin SR1 is a stylish as fuck grunt, but the AKD has the Blood Temple, the Kan, the Eleshis, the Auge, the Cross Mirage, Terror Mirage, Schpeltor, Mighty Beta and Gamma. They're some pretty cool designs.
>>14106637
>Which nation/organization has the best Mortar Headds
It feels like we're still missing quite a few. The big 4 nations (AKD, Fillmore, Hathuha, Colus) have been covered in-depth, but other nations like Bakinnrakkan, Trun, Cobalken, Jasterstruck, Buchatama, and Mejojo are still lacking other than a handful of lead designs like the Bang Doll and Ashura Temple.
>>14107913
and now we'll never get those, we'll just get more Gothicmades if anything.
>>14107913
It makes sense though to have it that way. AKD and Fillmore are the nations with the most powerful/advanced military, so of course they would have more money, resources, engineers, etc to make more state-of-the-art Mortar Headds than any other nation. Other nations like Mejojo (with the Ashura) only have one primary MH design and make a ton of variants of it. And the poorer and smaller nations like those on Addler use older Mortar Headds like Devoncha and Feedorah. It's a lot like how the world is nowadays; the US and Russia are still the leaders when it comes to making military equipment; most other countries use hand-me-downs from them except for a handful that are wealthy enough to develop their own. There's a reason the MiG-21 is still in use in countries like Iran despite being over half a century old.
One thing I do like about the Gothicmade retcon, at least continuity-wise, is that it retcons the Cloudschatze into being the MP version of the Bang Doll, effectively making the Bang Doll a Tallgeese of sorts in its role, and makes the Bang Doll transformable into a fighter craft as well. Even if the new designs suck, it's the thought that counts.
>>14107966
But AKD has more state of the art MHs than any other nations because its immortal outer universe deity emperor is also the best MH designer ever. It got to where it is, with a unified planet and everything that implies, entirely because Amaterasu was just so good that he got all the bitchingest knights on his side and his first MH, which he deemed not good enough, was just so great it let him conquer all of Delta Belun.
>>14108011
The Mortar Headds used by the AKD for galactic conquest (LED and Jagd) serve a completely different purpose than your normal MH though; whereas a normal MH is used to defeat other MH and secure land and resources, the LED and Jagd DESTROY all of it, even planets if they have to. The purpose of the AKD conquest was to demonstrate a bit of how the old wars in Joker were fought before civilization got dumbed down and filled with chivalry nonsense. It's like someone bringing a gun to a sword fight. It's not fair, but that's how you win a war.
>>14107966
Makes sense, but I just wanted to see more Mortar Headd styles. More stuff like the KAN which is way different than your standard MH.
Too late now with Gothicmade.
>>14108041
More Machine Messiahs would have been cool too. They all look freaky as hell.
>>14108066
>>14108069
>>14107723
Sopp? During that period reasonably often, yes.
>>14108066
>They all look freaky as hell.
Yeah, they all looked like grandiose overengineered god machines from some great lost civilization. It's a very nice contrast from the more simple Mortar Headds.
Funny enough, I think the Gothicmades would all make great Machine Messiahs. Like the MM, they're extremely skeletal, weirdly proportioned, filled with tons of excessive detail, and look ten times more advanced and complex than a Mortar Headd. I would have been okay with them if that's how they were introduced in the story, as opposed to being retcon designs.
>>14108108
It's not like they wouldn't fit, what with later books remarking that the general doctrine was trending towards much less armoured mortar headds.
>>14108066
BROTHER
>>14108131
who let the inbred cousin out of the basement?
>>14108131
Could LED Mirage defeat LED Mirage?
>>14108146
You mean, could LED Mirage defeat ZARATHUSTRA APTER BRINGER?
How about the MAGNAPALACE?
>>14108154
That lookssurprisingly notshit.
>>14108146
Depends on the alignments of the stars and the seven sacred chakras 10 hours before Nagano woke up to write that particular bit, and then only the truly wise can divine whether he will feel compelled to retcon it later on because his poop came out in a specific way, and if so how many times.
Nagano is ADD as fuck so it completely depends on his particular whims at any given time, is what I'm trying to say I guess.
>>14108154
>tiny bitch feet with high heels
>disjointed nonsensical knees and elbows
>exposed, stick-thin midsection
why are gothicmades so bad, anon?
>>14108183
I actually have no clue. It's not like they're that unique of designs either.
>>14106637
Why does it have BMW ///M stripes on the breastplate?
Still one of my favorite designs, though it took me a bit to warm up to it.
>>14108141
>>14108131
I'll say it again every time without fail - while I don't like the new design much, but I really appreciate that he doubled down on the bridesmaid theme all the same. It's great to have a marriage robot accompanied by a team of bridesmaids conquering the known universe. It's not a theme anyone else ever tackled.
>>14108435
>It's not a theme anyone else ever tackled.
because it's bad and stupid
Wait wait wait.
The designs in Gothicmade are the exact same robots as in FSS? Not upgrades or more advanced units or descendents? The same way the Endless Waltz Gundams were the same as the show ones?
>>14108410
Really??? It was love at first sight for me. I only wish the RD Vatshu would look more like this to justify picking it up.
>>14108479
Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that it is 'bad and stupid' as you say that does not it mean that the end result will follow suit.
A theme lives and dies by the way it is treated. It is the execution of the theme that carries the day, not the theme itself. See the theme of the Turn X.
>>14108542
>A theme lives and dies by the way it is treated. It is the execution of the theme that carries the day.
>implying Nagano can execute things coherently or even see things through to the end
Why do you think we even have Gothicmade now
>>14108435
>bridesmaids
I do not see that anywhere in that design.
>>14108410
I like the Vatshu, but the Groon does the samurai-knight concept better IMO.
>>14108581
They have veils.
>>14108551
Don't be dense. I am not "implying" anything. I am simply saying that you cannot judge a theme by itself---I am just challenging the underlying assumption [that a theme can be judged by itself, in a vacuum] of the comment I first responded too.
>>14108536
Yeah, first time I saw it the images were dark and it was hard to make out details. I've never really like super bulky designs so when I saw it I was like "What is this amorphous bulky mess? Fuck that." Especially when LED Mirages were presented and I love unicorn motifs on mecha.
After reading FSS I realized the error or my ways and absolutely fell in love.
>>14108591
I don't know about better, but it's definitely excellent.
>>14108481
>The same way the Endless Waltz Gundams were the same as the show ones?
Yep. Enjoy your new Bang Doll ver GTM.
It's a stupid thing to get all hung up on, but I've seen several pictures of the characters holding their new sword types by their curved crossguard like they're supposed to do it like that, kind of pointing it around like a gun or something, and I hate it so much. That is not how you fucking hold a sword.
>>14108725
The new swords ARE guns though. With a trigger and everything.
I personally prefer it over the old lightsabers and katana, though I would much rather just have them be normal swords.
>>14108725
>>14108738
yeah no that looks absolutely retarded and not even in a fun way. Possibly the worst gunblade I've seen, and I don't even like gunblades in the first place. Lightsabers are lightsabers, they're inherently okay if nothing special, and not everyone necessarily had a katana for a solid sword, though it was common because japanese work.
>>14108748
>yeah no that looks absolutely retarded and not even in a fun way.
Seems to be a recurring theme with the Gothicmades.
I'm probably in the minority when I say this, but I do like the Gothicmade as designs. Not as retcon designs or even designs in the FSS universe, but as their own thing. If there is one thing no one can deny, it is that they are all spectacular and very in-your-face, moreso than any of Nagano's previous designs. I love the details, the geometry, and just the general freshness of the designs. And the joints don't bother me as much as they do for others either. There's a reason many people consider Nagano to be the king of skinny robots, and the Gothicmades are just proof of that.
At the very least, I would take even the worst Gothicmade (probably the new Vatshu) over any of Ebikawa's current blocky rehashes that seem to be in every fucking anime airing nowadays. And yes, the mediocrity of IBO's designs despite using similar concepts to FSS MH (the exposed skeletal frames, exchangeable armor sets, melee weapons, heels, waists, etc) just further cement my feelings.
>>14108175
I like the Quattro shades.
>>14107966
>designs suck
That picture isn't illustrating your point very well.
>>14108183
That's not official art. All we've seen of the new KOG is >>14108175
>>14108846
>Ebikawa's current blocky rehashes that seem to be in every fucking anime airing nowadays
I loved Ebikawa for his FMP and 00S1 designs, but everything after like Age and IBO is just him being Bandai's new bitch to replace Katoki.
>>14109049
Not him, but what Ebikawa excels in more than any mecha designer is making his designs viable as plastic models/toys. Most of his designs have very little that get in the way of articulation and weight distribution, are colored and shaped in a way that allows for good parts/color separation, and many of his designs have modular features, and unlike Okawara, his lineart is super sharp and good enough for industrial manufacturing standards. There's a reason Bandai prefers him over Katoki at the moment. More boring designs, sure, but I'll be damned if any figure or kit of his designs aren't extremely well made. Just look at the (non-Vagan) AGE kits; they're all excellent- great articulation and parts separation. G-Reco kits are more ambitious design-wise and so they are all mostly terrible, stiff models.
Unlike Nagano, Ebikawa's designs were made to be translated into actual figures you can handle.
>>14109035
>implying it doesn't apply to gothicmades in general
>>14109075
Then why is MG exia a flimsy piece of shit
Hey, do you guys know where I could download the L-Gaim OST? I found it all on Youtube, but no torrents yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhPUuGWRZFg&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYaXGbiZpxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfNhqWui6NU
>>14109075
>Unlike Nagano, Ebikawa's designs were made to be translated into actual figures you can handle.
Nonsense; Mortar Headds can be made as poseable MG's just fine, as long as it's Bandai doing it. I would agree if you were talking about the Gothicmades though.
>>14109605
>>14109075
Just for reference, Bandai has already made the R3 1/100 L-Gaim Mk-II, which is essentially already a Mortar Headd, and they did one hell of a job on it.
>>14109596
Here you go m8:http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=176689&highlight=l-gaim
It's my go-to site for all anime music. They have almost every anime OST you could want.
>>14109605
Sure, SOME designs can be made, but most Mortar Headds have too much armor and strange protrusions that would both limit articulation and cause all sorts of weight and joint issues. They would also all be really hard to handle due to the brittle and skinny and spiky nature of most designs. Also, most MH have so many intricate paint apps on them that decals alone may not even be sufficient.
>>14109629
Thanks man.
>>14109629
Whenever I see that site I just think about the creepy pedophile that runs it
>>14109649
Look at the joints and the sword on the empress. It's essentially a proto-GTM.
>>14109649
Empress is a very unique and ornate MH, so picking that as something to represent your typical Mortar Headd is a bad choice. If you want to use that argument, there are many Gundam designs that would also never work as kits due to all sorts of design and stability issues, like half of the Sentinel or AoZ MS.
Most Mortar Headd designs aren't all that complex and could easily be molded in their proper colors and be given good articulation. The RG line alone has more surface detail and color separation than pretty much any MH in existence.
>>14109667
Not just any Gothicmade, it's THE Gothicmade from the movie.
>>14109695
>BD Never
>>14109713
The meme is probably more enjoyable than the movie
>>14109660
Pretty much this. I always feel like I need a cold shower thinking about that subhuman trash.
>>14109649
>They would also all be really hard to handle due to the brittle and skinny and spiky nature of most designs.
Sounds like it would make an awesome Metal Build.
The Gears Online page says that Machine Messiah's were the last things built in the AD era, does that mean the FSS background is basically "Earth is super-powerful and near-omnipotent until DISASTER HAPPENED" and the Joker Galaxy are the descendants who managed to escape with fuck-all and had to start again, with Earth being legendary and etc etc?
>>14110249
A chronology was posted in >>14104803. Earth does seem to exist, especially since a character travels back in time to WWII, but I'm not sure how super powerful it was.
>>14110252
Thanks!
God just reading that I adore the FSS setting. I don't know why it works so well because concepts like...
>The galaxy establishes all disciplines of pure science.
>The rise of intimidating warriors and powerful wizards
...next to each other should just destroy any kind of immersion or pretention, but somehow it doesn't. It's like Dune cranked up to 11, I love it.
>>14110261
Well, it's a setting in which gods and immortal dragons are real and where making a decisive strike against trans-dimensional invaders is one of the many aims of their genetic breeding program, so their sciences can certainly serve as a basis for the creation of space ninja warrior pilots and psychic wizard-scientist Emperors...
>>14109649
Still my favorite MH design. I regret not buying the Revoltech when it came out.
>14108018
こんな感じで
Where exactly does SATAN come in? I don't remember seeing it in the timeline. Is it in the final volume 13?
What is it I've been hearing about the author RETCONING EVERYTHING?
>>14111991
The Kaiyodo Empress was pretty good, but he KOG and LED were bad.
Might as well get the FSS entry level Wave kits.
Do you think there will be a time when a mainstream toy company is granted the license of FSS?
>>14109649
The Empress doesn't have much in the way of its design other than its massive headpiece, so it would work rather well as a poseable figure since most of its joints are exposed and its armor is very minimal. Hell, Kaiyodo even made one of it back in the 90's, albeit out of shitty brittle PVC. The bulkier and curvier Mortar Headds would be the ones that don't translate well to poseable figures and models, but most of them are grunt suits so it's not like they would even be made in the first place.Which is a crying shame because my favorite MH is like that.
>>14112271
Before Sopp/Amaterasu lose his power, on a buss, sharing some old ass legends.
>>14112661
Ashura Temple is badass. The head design is one of my favorites of any mecha, especially the neck area. Seeing what the Gothicmade version did to it took a chunk out of my soul.
>>14112747
The Ashura Temple represents everything about the Mortar Headds that wasn't passed on to the Gothicmades. Not only is it a robust, curvaceous and nearly gap-free design, it's also completely devoid of any of Nagano's fashion design fetishes like the heels or tight corset waists. It's savage and intimidating, but still extremely regal and majestic. In many ways, it feels more like Izubuchi's Escaflowne/Galient designs, but better executed.
Definitely agreed about the head. It's gorgeously organic.
>>14112884
Also, it bears somewhat of a resemblance to Nagano's pre L-Gaim designs, back when he was in the mindset for Giant Gorg.
>>14112747
>Seeing what the Gothicmade version did to it took a chunk out of my soul.
>>14113408
On the right. That's your new Ashura Temple.
>>14114317
The one on the right is great, nigger.
>>14112271
When Amaterasu loses his powers they pop out of a seal on the Float Temple and fuck everything up until a Dragon comes in and blasts them.
>>14114415
The one on the right is okay for Gothicmades, meaning it's not total garbage. But even then, it's no Ashura Temple, yet it replaced it, so hate it gets.
Also I like the MP ver of the Temple better, IDK, the giant claws giving it a huge gorilla back and weird shoulders don't quite do it for me as well as the cleaner lines of the standard version.
>>14114943
You sound like a big baby
>>14114952
>someone doesn't like what I like so I call him names.
You sound like a big baby.
Aside from the Kaiyodo figures I saw some magscans about new FSS figures, they even showed a prototype of the last Junchoon. But I never heard anything else on that. Did anyone else see that?
>>14114317
>>14114943
Where is that scan from anyway?
>>14115390
This was back in 2010. They Wave action figure line got cancelled before release. They planned for Junchoon SR4 and that Pink Mirage unit with the buster launcher.
I think they were meant to have the same quality as that mail order LED Mirage figure.
>>14115449
FSS Designs 5. Not all of it has been scanned though.
>>14115377
Says the big baby
>>14110249
>>14110252
So how does the Super Empire fall apart again? The timeline is rather vague. I remember it being a rather apocalyptic event, but I'm not sure what happened.
>>14115936
They all went to Stant system. Or that thingy in the center of the galaxy, forgot the name.
>>14112271
>>14115936
>>14115986
Oh, this reminds me of something.
AD5383
Flame Empress of Super Empire had an agreement with the Dragons and took her whole empire to battle SATAN at Stant System and never came back.
AD8383
Nein came back to Joker system and gave Focuslight the Daughter chip.
>>14116000
The dragons are the enemies of SATAN summoned by Water Dragon. In the legends, the Dragons summoned F.U. Rogner from the crystal to fight against the devils. Rogner is also known as the King of Kalamity Godarce and ruled the Joker Universe way before Super Empire. After Amaterasu sealed the devils in the Float Temple Rogner kind of retired from it. The feather dragon helped Lachesis at the float temple because SATANs break out from the seal.
That's all I can recall.
>>14115936
The Super Empire didin't fall, it just lost influence over time because the Empress of Flame left and there was no one else to claim its ridiculous technology.
As for why the technology got significantly downgraded after the AD era, and how we lost the Machine Messiah in favor of the Mortar Headd; that's a whole other issue entirely that we don't know anything about. It might have been some massive Armageddon like what happened in Nausicaa with the 7 days of fire, or it might just have been people getting dumber and less ambitious over time. Much like how we don't really care to send people into space outside of the Earth's orbit anymore.
>>14115709
I know what book it's from, what I meant is where did you find the scan.
>>14116066
baidu and 2chan
So shouldn't the Auge be able to stomp all over anything from the joker era?
>>14116259
The mecha is only as good as its pilot. Given that the Auge's current pilot is just a normal Headdliner, it isn't capable of doing anything above his abilities. It's like asking a monkey to drive a tank. It's also why Atropos got fucking raped in her MH Auge, which is as powerful as the KOG, despite facing a run-of-the-mill grunt.
>>14116329
The Apache wasn't even a run of the mill grunt, it was acknowledged as being all but scrap by pretty much everyone that saw it. Allen's a fairly top tier pilot though and his Fatima isn't bad because no Ballance Masterpiece is anything less that fucking amazing.
I love the setting, the aesthetic, the romance...
But I can't get into the story at all. It's all so overblown and ridiculous. Is it just me?
I saw the animated movie first, and then read the first arc of the comic and couldn't continue.
>>14116392
I'm certain you're not the only person with taste bad enough to be turned off by a giant robot comic because it's overblown and ridiculous, so you can rest easy on that front.
>>14116259
That's like asking why Chris couldn''t one-hit KO Bernie in the Alex.
>>14116477
I'm not talking about its particular appearance in the manga, I just mean in general.
The headdliners and Fatima's being equal, the AUGE should be the top machine in existence at that point right?
>yfw Bang Doll was based off a black guy
>>14117857
woah. cool.
also i always got an avian feel from the original bang im bummed the gtm version of it seems to lack that
>>14117952
Why would the GTM version be any good?
>>14118036
Because GTM is fine.
>>14117857
AUGE
>>14117857
I've always found it interesting how FSS plays the racial diversity card pretty straight. Like not only are there whites, blacks, asians, latinos, arabs, etc, but you can almost tell which type they are. I can't even think of any other anime or manga where Japanese people actually look Japanese, (ironically in a world where Japan doesn't even exist).
>>14118063
Says the person with shit taste.
>>14116259
It's got two active veils, which the Fatima has to manage while keeping an eye on all of the engineering- and scouting aspects of operating a Mortar Headd.
Back before the redesign, during the Emperor's rescue arc, they made a lot of nods to MH combat still being beholden to the basic laws of physics, so having those veils on your shoulders means that your mech has to push and pull their mass whenever it moves - not really a great idea when combat is edging more towards chambara-style certain kill strikes and shields are ablative anyway.
>>14116381
>>14116329
The MH Auge Atropos used and the Machine Mess Auge are two different machines. They both had the problem of being weighted down by the two bowling balls on their shoulders though.
>>14118072
It really is amazing how much better Nagano has gotten at drawing people.
>>14118356
Other than the skinniness and how he draws some faces, Nagano really isn't a bad character designer, it's just the style he draws people with isn't what you typically see in anime. He emphasizes the clothing over the features of the characters, which makes sense given his fashion design background.
>>14118356
>>14118540
Also, I blame Yuki Nobukiteru for how bad the movie designs look, given he was the one did designs for it, but everyone associates it with Nagano because they've only seen the movie.
Though I guess him working on this movie was how he got the job as chara designer for Escaflowne.
>>14118540
His people do look exactly like every other fashion designers, yes.
>>14117277
In terms of raw potential, yes, but it's only as skilled as its headdliner/pilot. You aren't going to get a normal human to pilot an MS made for Newtypes to be 1/10th as good as an actual Newtype unless they're fucking Yazan. That's why it fought on even terms with the Engage Ocatver, which was only a mid-tier MH.
>>14118552
The movie designs are good, though.
>>14118540
There's a in-universe explanation for why the main characters are skinny. For the headdliners and fatima at least. Normal people in FSS look, well, normal.
>>14120676
The movie designs had facial features that were far more complex than Nagano's designs, and worse of all gave them Nobuteru's horrendous trademark triangle face, making them 100% uncanny valley. The skininess was the only thing remotely Nagano, but if you've seen Nobuteru's other designs like the ones for Escaflowne, then you know he likes drawing people skinny anyway.
>>14120803
This is what the movie was supposed to look like, if Nagano was in charge of designs. Notice how much simpler and more pleasent it is to look at.
>>14117857
what? How is it based off a black guy? Are you just saying it is because of the character on your pic?
>>14120867
It's in his name (The Bang). A lot of Mortar Headds were named after Hyper Chevaliers of the AD era (i.e. Prominence, Neptune, Swans, Skinz).
>>14118580
Yeah. Like Winx Club, whose founder/chara designer was also once a fashion designer. You see the same type of proportions.
Where can I read the manga? I love these designs.
>>14120826
Was Nagano originally going to work on the movie or something?
>>14109613
Owner of such kit here, I can vouch for that. This thing is better than quite a few MG Gundam kits, possibly even rivaling today's (perhaps not but for a decade old kit it's fucking fabulous). All the external parts are undergated as well so nib marks will be minimal to non-existent if any.
So has Nagano finally finished the 13th volume? I remember him saying he would after the rerelease
I want to see the majestic stand
>>14122044
Nagano didn't even want a movie to be made in the first place, but since he didn't have full control over the publishing rights of FSS (Kadokawa did), they made it anyway. Had he took the initiative, he probably could have directed it himself, like Kawamori did with DYRL, Otomo with Akira, Miyazaki with Nausicaa, etc.
There were rumors that Nagano was going to direct a short half-hour FSS OVA with Anno at Gainax in 1988 and sell it for 9800 yen as a bundle with some features like commentary on various FSS resin kits, but that never came to be, probably because Gainax was having all sorts of budget issues after Honneamise unexpectedly bombed and had to make Gunbuster to recuperate the costs.
https://desustorage.org/m/thread/13884080/#13884080
It would have been interesting to see more of Nagano's original vision for an animated FSS, and I imagine it would have looked a lot like his old artbook published in '89.
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/788605/270546dc02/
>>14122385
It's been out for a year already, but no one has scanned it yet. Then again, it's essentially the same as the compiled Newtype issues released at that time.
>>14121989
http://bakabt.me/146240-the-five-star-stories.html
Only goes up to vol 10 in English, and the story itself is currently up to volume 13, but no English translation exists for 11-13.
>>14123178
>http://g.e-hentai.org/g/788605/270546dc02/
So wait, are the Mortar Headds biomechanical, like an Evangelion? I thought they were just normal robots.
>>14125030
Nah. Some parts are edging it, because FUTURE MAGIC SCIENCE, but they're robots allright. The Fatimas is the only component that is 100% biomechanical.
>>14125030
Mortar Headds are more based on human anatomy than most mechanical designs, so there are some "squishy" organs and tissues within the design, as well as a full circulatory and nervous and respiration system (though it doesn't work quite like ours). They have a brain, spine, heart, eyeballs, etc. Biggest difference is that there is no blood and flesh. Mortar Heads are not organic, but they are closer to living organisms than a Mobile Suit, which is closer in design philosophy to a tank or crane or some modern-day machine.
From previous thread:
>flying tanks could defeat an MH
>they all automatically flee at the sight of one, do not even consider trying to stand up to it
>every time MHs fight tanks in any way, the tanks get destroyed in seconds
>best tank commander does some tactical shit combined with a self destruct and all it does is slightly knock off the Zakker's long range scanners
>MHs can be easily hurt by conventional weapons, that's why this never ever even comes close to working within the mango
Knowing /tg/, they will make a gary stu fixer Quest that will have a badass tank commander destroying piles of MHs with "clever tactics", SCIENCE! upgrades and other shit.
Of course, knowing /tg/, "tactics" really amounts to something like a Die Hard or a Michael Bay-esque action setpiece.
Why? Because Humanity, Fuck Yeah!
>>14125524
>Humanity, Fuck Yeah!
But both sides of the conflict would be humans... or rather, what FSS calls humans.
Is /tg/ such realismfags that they consider the more gritty and muh realistic side to be humanity and the other non-human/weeaboo heresy scum?Don't answer that, I know they are
Who will the rights go to when Nagano kicks the bucket?
>>14125537
/tg/ likes tanks. A lot. But their military knowledge is only as good as /k/, which is to say, completely hokey and borderline superstitious.
>let's upgrade our tank with more fin-stabilized APFDS and sabot smart rounds and smoke grenades and jammers to defeat teh evil shiny samuraibots
>>14125537
There is a glut of military commander quests doing ground operations on /tg/.
Ie, Deniable Assets Quest, AT-TE Commander Quest, Republic Commando Quest, Exterminator Quest, etc etc.
>>14125030
Their circuits simulate brains.
High end MHs like Junchoon and KOG can make their own actions, others can think and have personality.
Terror Mirage once wink at Allen Braford on it's own.
>>14125554
Putting money on either his wife or he somehow takes them to the grave with him.
>>14125554
Whoever it is, I just hope they do more with the franchise than Nagano. At the very least, make an anime of it (with an actual studio behind it, not like Nagano's one man stand), and give us some good kits/figures.
>>14127409
I just want a FSS action game
>>14125524
Well, during the Emperor's Rescue Arc, the tankers were up against top-of-the-crop headdliners in well-maintained machines and that Zakker had been up-armoured.
There really is only so much you can do with a casematte-style hovertank moving at mach-speed if you're up against a machine that got multiple lasers for AA-duty and is controlled by a team of SCIENCE!Ninjas that can actually react at and above the speed your vehicle is moving at.
It's basically like throwing WIGEs against a destroyer.
>>14127478
>FFS action game
Would that even work? Fighting was basically pretty deliberate and the Headdliner acting before the Fatima could put the necessary adjustments in place seemed to mess up or even damage the MH.
>>14127500
I think it could work if you make it a game where timing and setup were key features instead of button mashing.
Mortar Headds seem to fit that kind of larger than life, very heavy and powerful style even though they're supposed to be faster than most other mechs. I'm reminded of the Rex vs Ray fight in MGS4 actually. I think this gameplay could fit FSS pretty well
I want to build a MH kit, but I can't decide which one because I have so many favorites...
>KOGAT
>Schpeltor
>Cloudschatze
>Bang
>MM AUGE
>Might Gamma
What do? Which one has a kit that's a decent starting point?
>>14127544
>Might Gamma
>Cloudschatze
>MM AUGE
GKs
>Bang
>KOGAT
>Schpeltor
Plamos
>>14127544
I would recommend the Wave 1/144 plastic kits, but none of those are on your list.
There are the Volks kits though, but they do require glue and paint in some areas, and are pretty expensive.
>>14127884
>I would recommend the Wave 1/144 plastic kits
Dear god why.
>>14127929
>at least they're not Wave 1/100 kits
Is the best thing one could say about them, really. If he's a complete noob, he'd still be better off with Volks' Schpeltor plamo than any of the Wave kits.
>>14127929
They don't break the bank and you can at least put them together without having to resculpt entire sections. Those Wave 1/100's were made back in '89 and they show their age.
>>14127970
The volks schpeltor doesn't require any resulting or anything right? Just glue, paint and filler?
I'm a noob coming off gunpla, but I also find them to be too easy
>>14128168
No, just glue and a bit of paint (mainly masking for those red "eyes" on the shoulders, which have indents). Bang Doll looks fine without paint though, but due to the nature of the design it's more fragile than the other kits.
>>14128193
Do they make a good patraqushe / kog at? Or are all their kits similar high quality?
>>14128198
There is the old Wave 1/144, but it's almost as bad as their 1/100 kits since it was their first 1/144 plastic model.
Volks has a prototype of an upcoming 1/100 plastic model of the KOG, which will no doubt be retooled into the KOG AT, but we won't see that for at least another year.
>>14128215
There's also a Volks 1/100. Problem will be finding it secondhand at non-rape prices.
So waiting for their new version is probably the sanest option here, especially since they might even go out on their way and both undergate and gold-plate it.
>>14128198
Who makes the kit in that picture?
>>14128612
Neograde. Hugeass 1/60 resin.
>>14128215
What are the chances that Volks will ever make a kit of this?
>>14128978
I didn't even recognize which design that was until I looked at the filename.
Rouge Mirage has never shown up in the manga, and unlike the Cross and LED Mirage, its design also never got updated. And the kit you're showing has vastly different proportions than the original design. Then again, it does share 90% of its design with the LED Mirage, so it wouldn't be unusual to see a kit of it.
So how are the new designs being received in Japan?
It's hard for me to tell what is a fan design and what is official now
So many of the fan designs are better than the real things... it's a sad day when amateurs design better Mortar Headds than Nagano
>>14129283
I thought that was Millia's Quedlan-rau from the thumbnail. It's the massive shoulders and red I guess.
>>14129352
>>14129352
https://twitter.com/Sparrow_S_A/status/710426701004562433
https://twitter.com/recovery4561234/status/696097047179472897
>>14129359
>>14129364
All I see are comments on the model building itself and not the designs...
>>14129352
It's a very polarizing reception. Volume 13 is where all the retcons and redesigns happened, see for yourself how the Japanese populace feels about it:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/product-reviews/4041022428/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_top?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=helpful
For shits and giggles, here is how Japan likes Eva 3.33, which did a similar rug-pulling on the fanbase like Gothicmade:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/product-reviews/B00BHO70L0/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_summary?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=helpful
>>14129283
Wasn't Rouge Mirage the same as the Eleshis?
>>14128978
Looks like he took some inspiration from the Geno Breaker.
>>14129543
Maybe? I don't know, not like it matters since neither design ever did anything.
Doesn't help that Eleshis is tied with Siren for "most generic Mortar Headd design".
>>14129352
>So many of the fan designs are better than the real things... it's a sad day when amateurs design better Mortar Headds than Nagano
It's even more sad when you see what the "pros" do with the Mortar Headd designs. Check this out, by Yanase Takayuki (00, Frame Arms).
If only Nagano would let others do mecha design on FSS too, hell if only Nagano would only let others ever do anything with his franchise.
![[animepaper.net]picture-standard-anime-five-star-stories-nt-1995_01-five-star-stories-83433-nat-preview-31fb0a42.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/enflAKX.jpg "[animepaper.net]picture-standard-anime-five-star-stories-nt-1995_01-five-star-stories-83433-nat-preview-31fb0a42.jpg")
>>14133214
He doesn't need to let anyone else design them, he just needed to let the franchise branch out to different media. Games, TV anime, movies, general merchandise to make it more accessible for fans. How is anyone supposed to show support for the series when you have to jump through ten hoops and spend an entire paycheck into an aftermarket Chinese recast kit?
BTW, what MH is this on the left? Is that an early concept of last junchoon?
>>14133214
Can we add Xenoblade X to Yanase's attribution now?
Guys, I just realized something.
Any regular on /m/ will tell you that, because of the square-cube law, giant mechs are inconceivable because of how much weight and stress would be placed on each of its joints.
But looks at Nagano's Gothicmade designs. Instead of hinge joints, which is what we see most often in mechs, those track-on-rail setups seem to increase the surface area of the joint relative to the mass of the whole mech. The pressure distributed around those rail components much be much less than your typical cylindrical hinge joint don't you think?
TL;DR Nagano may have just found an ingenius way of making giant mech designs feasible.
I'm sorry Nagano isn't whoring his franchise out to greedy companies, guys
>>14133236
>BTW, what MH is this on the left? Is that an early concept of last junchoon?
I'm more interested as to why there's a VF-1 in that picture.
>>14133236
>>14129283
>And the kit you're showing has vastly different proportions than the original design.
It's based on this, but with larger guns.
>>14108154
wait what, is this official art? it does not look like nagano at all, actually looks kinda nice.
>>14134930
It's a fan art.
I'm just over halfway through FFS, and I feel that Amaterasu and the AKD are the weakest part of it. Still when there's a coherent stroy arc it's very good and the art's great. I just don't find Amaterasu and his invincible headliners too compelling, especially when it jumos all about the timeline.
>>14133382
Nagano should be more like Kawamori with Macross. Kawamori keeps full control over the Macross license and makes whatever the hell he wants (Delta is proof of that), but is willing to let designs and figures be made, most of which are fairly accessible despite their high-end status. Anime and video games as well, and unlike Gundam there's no 5000 pieces of side-story materials or rehashes. It's not selling out, it's merely making the franchise accessible.
>>14135204
Muse's self-contained story about finding a dick headliner and ending him while learning about how knights and damsels universe isn't really so black and white is far and away the best part of FSS.
>>14135437
You have no idea what you are talking about, Macross panders even more than Gundam.
>>14135946
Idols =/= pandering.
Hasn't Macross always been "idols and singing and love, with some mechas sometimes I GUESS"?
>>14136066
Macross has never been that, because the mechs are just as important as the other two bits and not an after thought like you suggest. Even 7, the one to most disparage mechs from the three has constant usage of mechs.
>>14135972
Anon,I like Macross too but if you are denying that it panders you're denying the roots of the series
>>14136097
It doesn't pander because Kawamori himself is a huge idolfag. He's doing it for himself, not to please fans.
>>14136201
Pandering to himself is still pandering.
>>14136205
That's like saying masturbation is the same as sex.
>>14135437
That comparison doesn't really work because Kawamori isn't even in charge of all of Macross. He only designs the mecha and comes up with parts of the main story. He gets other directors and writers and artists to physically make his shows. Meanwhile, Nagano has always been a one man show.
>>14135475
Just finished that part and loved it. I wish the rest of the stories were as coherent and well paced.
Shame what Nagano did to the Bang
I think maybe he realized his MH designs were already perfect and couldn't be improved upon any more, so he went nuts and fucked them all up just so he could have something to improve and refine again
As an artist it must be frustrating to reach your peak so many years ago and have nowhere to go from there, at least as far as mecha designs are concerned
>>14141806
>I think maybe he realized his MH designs were already perfect and couldn't be improved upon any more, so he went nuts and fucked them all up just so he could have something to improve and refine again
That may be true, but he would have been much better off making a new series. It's not unheard of for artists and writers to take a hiatus from one series to work on a new one, then resume the old series once they gain interest again. By its very nature, FSS is as series that can begin and end at any time. Shame Nagano himself didn't realize this.
Hell, he did kind of start doing something new in the 90s with Schell Bullet, but both him and Ikuhara lost interest after they couldn't get anyone to animate it.
