Dan Simmons, author of Hyperion
>"Movie SF is, by definition, dumbed down -- there have only been three or four SF movies in the history of film that aspire to the complexity of literary SF. But with books, readers have access to a full-range of sophistication and quality in their reading. If they read dumbed down SF or fantasy, it's their choice to dumb themselves down."
>"It's usually "written and directed" by arrogant 26-year-olds who've read almost nothing in their short, video-sheltered lives, and who think they "know sci-fi" because they grew up watching Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars on video when they weren't reading comic books."
robot animus is dumbed down and inferior to western literary sci-fi
>>14101240
>visual sf dumb compared to lit
oh wow and in other news the sun rose in the East
Why is /genre fic/ so far up their own asses?
The plot is by far the least important thing in a film.
Also
>genre trash author
Laughing /lit/ards.bmp
No shit Mr. Simmons.
>>14101240
>literally edgy guy defeated by the power of love
>future Catholics mastering FTL but can't into inertial compensation so Space Popes go splat
>sex addicted human turns himself into a centuar or pan or some mythological shit
I agreewith Simmons that comic books are shit.
>the complexity of literary SF
Meanwhile, at Baen Books...
>>14101390
James Shootdeath vs The Space Islams is totally literaturized, bro
>>14101240
Tip fedora, etc., etc.
>>14101240
I think Ilium was when he jumped the shark.
Most literary science fiction is fantasy set in space, that aspire to profound philosophical explorations of humanity, life, and reality, but that usually end up being either schlocky daylight horror or pathetic wish-fulfillment. Oh, and most of the writers are sociopaths who couldn't do/gave up doing anything more productive with their lives, up to and including having meaningful personal relationships. They eschew comfort for the ambition of truth and receive neither.
>western SF books
>sophistication
>>14101454
>criticising western SF while posting Tanaka's nearly 35-year-old plot which has aged rather poorly with its overwhelmingly male-dominated story and shallow female characters, hard to place among the west's more nuanced, refined, and sophisticated SF.
>>14101468
>shallow female characters
Memes are by nature shallow
>>14101468
>Having a story focused on men is a bad thing.
I bet you think The Demolished Man is shit too.
>>14101538
>implying it isn't
You can be as snarky as you want but that won't change how your macho-centric misogynistic man-porn fantasies are just bad SF.
>>14101538
Not him, but it's not nearly as good as The Stars My Destination, I know that much. That's probably my favorite bit of sci-fi along with Rendevous with Rama though - each for very different reasons.
>>14101538
He's paraphrasing a recent "professional" review of the LoGH novel translation. Bait, in other words.
>>14101240
Does he cite any specific works that he would consider to not be dumbed-down?
Because otherwise his argument, to me, seems like "all sci-fi that isn't mine is shit."
>>14101538
He's spouting a pasta, but some people (Namely SJWs) say that stories that focus on men are shitty. Especially if the dudes are straight and/or white. Gotta have brown, genderqueer pansexual otherkin as the leads.
>>14101552
>he
And here we go with the sexist assumptions as usual. And I wrote that review, for your information, and stand fully by everything I said in it, so there.
>>14101555
>He's spouting a pasta, but some people (Namely SJWs) say that stories that focus on men are shitty. Especially if the dudes are straight and/or white. Gotta have brown, genderqueer pansexual otherkin as the leads.
Because only white men ever do anything important, right? Get your head out of your ass/
>>14101557
>>14101560
No one's seriously gonna fall for this one, right?
>>14101592
Nope.
>>14101592
Of course not. Surely /m/ does not fall for low-quality bait, right guys?
Guys?
>>14101592
>wahhhh her arguments are all valid and I'm clearly wrong so it's all bait and trolling and I don't need to address any of the issues she brings up
Typical.
>>14101472
Underrated
>>14101240
Which interview was this from? I absolutely loved Hyperion, and I'm a little disappointed to hear this from him. Was Hyperion 'literary' scifi? Sure, with its allusions to stuff ranging from Catholic teaching to the Canterbury tales. But I don't see how Simmons could downplay his debt to more "pulpy" sci-fi. The action scenes and fleet battles in Hyperion wouldn't have been out of place in Star Wars or a Flash Gordon serial.
>>14101240
>robot animus is dumbed down and inferior to western literary sci-fi
k
>>14101557
>>14101560
>>14101605
Were you in an srwg thread a couple months ago?
>>14101240
He's not talking about anime.
>>14101261
Want to know the funny part? Simmons isn't even an SF writer any more. Now he writes magical realism shit to chase the literary cock dollar.
>>14101930
They are in every thread these days. The social justice shit is being shoved down /m/'s throat hard. Hopefully this is just trolling due to the election, and will go away after that. I don't want what happened to /co/ to happen here.
>>14101939
It won't. We can just start posting some weird abstract shit that makes xer brains hurt.
>>14101548
I bet you think the new Ghostbusters is gonna be good.
>>14101944
I'm never giving up my ryusei threads, and pilot suit threads, that's for sure.
>>14101939
I think it is trolling, that publisher's review copypasta got posted to hell and back when /m/ first saw it, and now it's showing up in other threads too. The pasta proved to be extremely effective in getting replies even on topics entirely unrelated to LoGH, so I think trolls have latched on to it.
>>14101592
Surprisingly, not all of use are white dudes, nor under the delusion that the future of humanity is White Dudes Doin' Thangs. Especially not in interstellar total war scenarios.
>>14101939
They started coming in about 3 years ago, it's here to stay
>>14101939
>The social justice shit is being shoved down /m/'s throat hard.
You say that with a straight face and it's kind of hilarious tbqh.
>>14101952
I don't know about other people, but I've been here since 2008. First post was praising OObama.
>>14101408
and what a fun jump that was.
>>14101952
They've always been here. They've just gotten more ballsy recently is all.
>>14101931
What is it with these old guard creators bathmouthing modern fiction when they turn around and conform to trends just to stay relevant?
Oh. Guess I answered my own question.
So anyone else Read C.J. Cherryh?
>>14101939
Been on /m/ since 2008, I can safely say that while SJW stuff is annoying it's you idiots who respond to it who are even moreso. This is true both on /m/ and in scifi in general.
>>14101976
She's pretty good, if a bit too wordy.
>>14101997
She really likes driving home the drama/relationships between characters.
>>14101980
You need some reaction to it, some resistance, otherwise you end up like Western Europe.
>>14102011
Which is to say?
>>14102011
We also need reaction to off-topic bickering that belongs on /pol/ or a different website, otherwise we end up with posts like yours
>>14101240
did not found the source of the second comment, only from 2013 from /m/
>>14102011
Listen to yourself, you crazy /pol/ack. I bet you've never even been to Western Europe. Don't you see that you're the same cancer as them? Living in this black-and-white fantasy world where everything is part of some huge political war between right (everyone who agrees with you) and wrong (everyone who doesn't). SJWs scream CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE SHITLORD and accuse everyone of fascism and you scream GO BACK TO TUMBLR and accuse everyone of being 'liberal' (whatever the fuck that means). I'm so sick of both of you. This is /m/, just let us talk about robots in peace.
>>14102073
>tfw /m/ just wanted to be neutral on the politic front
>tfw we're fucking ORB
>>14101955
There's a difference between being liberal and a progressive (SJW).
>>14102073
>I bet you've never even been to Western Europe.
I'm not a /pol/ack, and I have been.
>Don't you see that you're the same cancer as them?
I mean he has a bit of a point. I don't think /pol/'s "reaction" and "resistance" is healthy or helpful though.
>>14102024
Broke?
>>14102082
So who'd be ZAFT?
>>14102104
Zaft and EAF are both shit, so /pol/ can be either of them.
>>14102073
>This is /m/, just let us talk about robots in peace.
Don't you mean talk about Gundam in peace?
>>14102104
There is no point. The inanity of today's identity politics are mind-boggling - and /pol/ types who seriously think Europe is being raped by Muslims are exactly as rooted in identity politics as those who they're opposing. It's the panicked mass response of a generation of youth who grew up with nothing but capitalism having their ideological crutches kicked away by capitalism's visible crisis. Some of them blame THE PATRIARCHY and some of them blame DEGENERACY, but fundamentally it's the same neurosis. Like a much lamer millenial retreat of the 1930s (as scifi has shown, everyone at least thinks communists and Nazis are badass even if they don't agree with their beliefs).
Hey so on the topic of /m/ book stuff
I saw recommended before to check out the Lensman and Culture series, but that I should maybe not read them in the order they released in? Or that there's some I should just skip?
>>14101240
The same can be said of all mediums. The best of each field always draws from others. The British Invasion in comics had people who drew inspiration from all kinds of sources. The best anime directors of course worked in other genres and mediums besides mecha. The problem is you get a 2nd generation who never branch out and everything they do is a homage, metanarrative, or simplification of something original.
Consider the difference between Ryosuke Takahashi and Hideki Anno.
>>14101951
This is a board that's primarily here so we can talk about cartoons that feature autistic Asian boys fighting in robots. I don't think anyone here's too big on the white power thing.
>>14101240
IT's TRUE.
though it's funny coming from Dan Simmons.
>>14102135
>who grew up with nothing but capitalism having their ideological crutches kicked away by capitalism's visible crisis. Some of them blame THE PATRIARCHY and some of them blame DEGENERACY
Honestly, I think it's just that people are bored.
They want something to fight for, to feel self important about.
>>14102136
I thought Triplanetary was dull. The First Lensman was okayish, but slow moving. Galactic Patrol was great. Not sure if any of them should be skipped though. As always publication order is your friend.
>>14102150
At least Anno drew from a wide pool of scifi and western cinema, even if his major works were all scifi. Consider the difference between Anno and, I don't know, Mitsuo Fukuda.
>>14102185
I thought someone mentioned that for both of those series, reading the first book spoils what is meant to be big reveals or plot points of later books. Or that there were big inconsistencies from the first to second book. Eh, whatever, I'll just read them in release order
>>14102150
>homage, metanarrative, or simplification of something original
Memes aside, I think it doesn't depict Anno at all.
>>14102073
I'm British and live in London. I was just saying that you don't need to react crazily to them but you need a little resistance.
>>14101240
There is a counter trend of really good low budget Sci-Fi in the years since 2000, stuff like Primer. Moon, ExMachina
>>14102073
>>14102254
Also, I've been on /m/ since 2007, so you know, asking me to leave my board because I suggested that perhaps you shouldn't just let SJW stuff become the dominant narrative without at least a comment telling them to fuck off and let us just talk about robots, which was my point, is a bit weird.
>>14101240
He's right you know.
>>14102150
Hideki Anno took all those influences and used them to make new things though. With Gunbuster he took mecha, sports anime, and titties, and used them to make a sci-fi story about time dilation.
Similarly with eva, he took the super robot 'genre' and used it as a vehicle to tell a character drama.
>>14102275
>Similarly with eva, he took the super robot 'genre' and used it as a vehicle to tell a character drama.
I sat here for a solid minute, staring at my screen, fingers poised and ready to type, trying to come up with the perfect collection of insults to throw at you for this monumentally stupid post you've just vomited into our laps, but it's so fucking ignorant of THE REST OF MECHA THAT PRECEEDED EVA that I can't give your thought-turd the shaming it rightly deserves without a few days' worth of prep.
>Anno used super robots to tell a character drama
Character drama is 90% of mecha. Please get the fuck out if you think Anno's attempt with Eva was somehow novel or the first TRUE character drama to come out of cartoons that just happened to feature giant robots.not that eva had giant robots
>>14102260
You can just ignore it. It's 90% trolling on 4chan anyway.
>>14102307
You must a special kind of autistic elitist to get angry on something like that.
>>14102307
That's a fair point. I should have phrased it to be more specific. Like "anno used it as a vehicle for a psychological case study of deranged fictional characters"No need to be a dick about it dude
>>14102324
There is when you're blatantly wrong and an idiot like you are.
>>14102324
I've said my piece, but just want to clarify that >>14102342 is not >>14102307.also other mecha shows did that before eva. it's got pretty much nothing truly new in it. evafags insisting it does year after year is what makes the rest of us so violently angry
>>14102159
>>14102261
Keep your cancerous mindset and opinions within your own board, /lit/.
>>14102342
>an idiot
No need to be rude man.
As soon as you bring out the accusatory insults, you ruin any chance for discussion and learning.
I know this is 4chan, but people are more willing to listen and consider your opinion when you aren't rude to them.
>>14102348
He is right. He might be a hypocrite and not too good at what he does, or a creator of great sci-fi, but he is right in terms of large films. There's always the odd indie film and so forth that comes out or the small releases (like the 2000s which saw a spate of them). But when the best big sci-fi release people can point to is Interstellar, there's issues there.
>>14102056
It's real.
https://www.sfsite.com/09b/ds160.htm
>>14102082
We are more like Jior. We pretend to be neutral, but have forbidden weapons that will fuck us over in the basement.
>>14102348
Being honest isn't cancerous.
The lower barrier to entry for writers simply means larger room for experimentation and while there are many, many awful SF literature writers in the west, the fantastic SF books simply outnumber the fantastic SF movies by a country mile.
>>14102429
You're not talking about robots in this thread
The OP isn't talking about robots
>>14101240
>robot animus is dumbed down and inferior to western literary sci-fi
I love me some robutt animus but this is true.
>>14102135
>as scifi has shown, everyone at least thinks communists and Nazis are badass even if they don't agree with their beliefs
Literally nobody thinks contemporary Muslims are badass. Except the Kurds, but then again, nobody knows about the Kurds.
>Capitalism's visible crisis
If only we had something closer to a true capitalist system. What we have now is a government that picks winners and losers out of those that wish to compete. What follows is stagnation, bribery, and eventually collapse. If the government was responsible and actual fought to protect the market and consumers (instead of itself and its interests in the market--see subsidies, public-private partnerships, etc.), then "capitalism" wouldn't be having this perceived crisis.
>>14102856
Typical Anarcho-capitalist logic. The government don't actually have much control on the market, it's the market that fuck up the government (and without any concerted plan mind you).
Company hide their income in Tax heaven, without tax government don't work, hidden from sight the bribery finish the job of cementing laws to "protect the market", their market, not ours.
We are but the sheep being sold and slaughtered for their appetite
Pictured, what I should go back at reading.
I wonder if you can still sage thread
>>14104228
Reduce taxation for everyone and watch tax revenue soar upwards.
>>14101980
>>14102156
Still needs more brown.
>>14102135
I blame the patriarchy (or whatever analog that gets the right's panties in a bunch) not because I'm unaware of the breadth of political and socioeconomic possibility, but because the people in power, emboldened by an ignorant populace, really are holding us back from trying something new. And because it actually is mostly old men mostly acting off a sort of indignation at the possibility of honor and virtue not being inherently rooted in a macho, egotistical der wille zur macht. What I'm saying is that I'm really, really tired of sitting at fancy dinners with septuagenarian retired colonels who drive Beemers and who tell me that responsible social spending can't work because "people aren't born equal" and that everyone should just be forced to get a job.
And I actually don't think despots and tyrants of any color are cool at all. At best, I find them tragically interesting in a repulsive sort of way.Chubby bigots can be strangely sexy, though.
>>14104248
We've actually been doing that for four decades and revenue has held steady at ~18% GDP. You probably didn't notice because it wasn't a concerted effort to prove laissez-faire capitalism as effective, but instead just a series of ploys to win elections.
>>14104228
Wouldn't it be nice if the government was able to remain fiscally solvent to complement that?
>>14104988
What isn't taken into account in taxes are the myriad fees, regulatory permits, etc. that don't count as a "tax", which have been on the rise since after Eisenhower left office.
>>14105651
>What isn't taken into account in taxes are the myriad fees, regulatory permits, etc. that don't count as a "tax", which have been on the rise since after Eisenhower left office.
There's about three assertions in that sentence that aren't easily verifiable, so you'll have to do the honors.
>literary sci-fi
>sci fi
>literary
>>14101240
Every time I see comments like this, I just remember that forward Ursula K. Leguin wrote to the retranslation of Roadside Picnic.
Which was, in itself, a very nice way of saying a "A lot of sci-fi fans and writers really need to get out of their own asses."
She was more referring to the 'harder science than thou art' crowd, but damn if it doesn't feel right here too.
>>14109080
why the fuck are you writing sci fi if you aren't gonna have science
Dan Simmons' Endymion duopoly is one of the most dumbed down things I have seen in my life.
>>14109142
Here's the thing, it's not saying no science at all. It's the guys who act like unless you go into Crichton-levels of jerking off on how everything works, your sci-fi is inherently lesser.
Roadside Picnic is actually a great example of going against that school of thought - rather than trying to explore how all of the weird items left in the Zone work, it instead looks at how mankind has used them and changed for both good and bad as a result.
All while speculating that, as wondrous as these devices may be to us, they very well could just be cast off garbage for the species that left them behind in the first place.
Simply put, what you have to say should be worth more than the technical jargon you use to string it together.
>>14109260
>crichton
>hard sci fi
No.
>>14109307
Hard science be damned. State of Fear is great simply because of all the butthurt it caused.
>>14109307
Eh, it's debatable. Crichton, as I recall, takes a very technothriller stance which no matter how absurd the science in question is tends to play it in a very grounded and speculative sort of way, focusing on mechanisms and frameworks and how they interact with society, as opposed to social science fiction (of which the Strugatskys' Roadside Picnic counts, I believe) which would be the other side of the coin in how society interacts with these otherwise arbitrary frameworks and mechanisms.
Hard and soft are really nothing more than vague notions used to convey how much the author jerks off to the rules of their setting, really.
Sometimes it seems like a lot of genre/literary categorisations are just shorthand for how hard the author jerked themselves off to be honest.
>>14102346
>also other mecha shows did that before eva
This is a thinly veiled recommendation request but which ones exactly do you mean?
>>14110561
Sorta.
Honestly I think hard SF / soft SF can be considered the real robot / super robot issue packaged under a different name. It's all vague ambiguous and not entirely well defined modes to convey some sense of "yeah that makes sense" vs "yeah that's bullshit." Who's to say it can't be "that's bullshit, but I believe it" though?
>>14109307
Yeah, he's mainly writing thrillers with a nice dose of somewhat accurate technobabbel.
>>14110514
Jules Verne wrote hard scifi - fiction about current scientific discoveries (Twenty Thousand Leagues) and modern technology (Around the World in Eighty Days), to mention two. Dude'd prolly much write books about using crowdfunding schemes to launch a private space program if he were alive today.
>>14110601
>he's mainly writing thrillers with a nice dose of somewhat accurate technobabbel.
He mainly wrote, you mean.
Because he's mainly six feet under these days.
Personally though I wish I was in the world where Charles Babbage wrote cyberpunk before cyberpunk was even conceivable. He already realized with his work on the analytical engine that algorithmic efficiency could turn out to be super important, imagine if he were inspired to write about a world where the Engine was smaller and could be a household staple.
In other words, the world where Charles Babbage wrote "The Difference Engine" instead of William Gibson.
>>14109694
> Hard science be damned. State of Fear is great simply because of all the butthurt it caused
Oh wow... I just read the plot summary. Denial of Climate-Warning must really be getting desperate.
"Hey, you know all those tsunami and catastrophe attributed to global warming ? it's actually made up by eco-TERRORISTS ! You too, prevent that fiction from happening by not believing real world scientist lies."
It even make the military-driven worlds of Heinlein look reasonable.
>>14110968
How is Heinlein's stories not reasonable?
>>14110968
I forget which Crichton book it was but a critic who didn't like a previous book got put into his next one as a whiny pedophile with a small penis. Crichton was hilariously petty.
>>14111275
Next.
That one is fucking hilarious, I can't really summarize it, you just have to look it up.
>>14102384
>>14102429
Irrelevant to the fact that /lit/ and its mindsets are some of the worst cancer you could ever have forced on a board.
>>14111321
Being critical of the things you enjoy isn't cancerous.
>>14110582
Not him, but apparently someone on Twitter surmised that Iron Leaguer (of all shows) did some things before Eva did.
>>14111223
"The Road Must Roll"
Putting aside the concept of gigantic treadmill used as high-speed railway system, some terrorist attack and the very military-like company solve the problems themselves, like MARINES.
"The man who sold the moon"
Nothing militarish, just a man selling the moon by scamming everybody into thinking there's diamonds laying on the ground everywhere (yes) (& btw : it wouldn't pay for the travel especially after crashing the economy)
Oh and he also use a loophole to "own the moon because he own what's on Earth below".
I won't do everything, but "Starship Trooper" was all "Military-government is best", that's why the Film from Paul Verhoeven is so great at showing what it would actually be. (Space Nazi with nice publicity)
It's certain you can say ANY sci-fi is unreasonable on some aspects, but Heinlein is of those authors where everything is based on their unreasonable idea.
I mean, I read "Blade Runner" and it come of as more credible than most Heinlein's story.
I read "Diamond Age" and the insanity ofan army of little girl trained by AI-bookfeel less artificial.
I read "Star, my destination" and ... ok, its good yet unreasonable.
>>14111428
>I mean, I read "Blade Runner"
>>14111432
Nice catch.
>>14111432 >>14111484
Damned,
That's because I named the file like that. still, they actually use the name of the movie to sell the book nowadays
>>14111520
To be fair, Blade Runner is an excellent title, very memorable and far less wordy than Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.
DADoES comes off sounding more like the title to a short story than a novel.
>>14110968
>Beleiving anything Liberals push
Why? They're compulsive liars.
>>14112432
/POL/ PLS GO AND STAY GO
>>14112486
>Giving all your money to the government that can't fix the dmv is somehow going to stop ice from melting.
You could probably fit one of Hyperion's stories into a movie, but you sure wouldn't be able to do all of them.
I never read the Endymion sequels because honestly they looked dumb and like they were cash-cowing.
>The Shrike is now protecting Loli Jesus as she fights the future
So, uh, is this like a twist on Terminator 2? Pls Dan.
>>14112506
>going to the DMV
So why is this shitposting thread still here?
>>14109080
>'harder science than thou art' crowd
The most obnoxious kind.I enjoy both for what they worth for.
why can't they appreciate other sub genre is beyond me.
>>14111321
But /lit/ wrote the best rape fic ever
"I want to rape her in my farm while a cow takes a dung nearby"
>>14111428
Always thought the Verhoeven adaptation of Starship Troopers being a general opposite to everything the book represented, not just commentary on military government, but being blatantly opposite on everything - the explanation of why they don't just nuke the bugs turned into 'the enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand,' replacing power armor with that beastly rifle that never jams, every inch of sci fi technobabble replaced with 'would you like to know more,' the movie is beautiful for making left turns at every point the novel makes a right, which is something more book adaptations should really do
Heinlein works really changes in perspective the moment his lyrics get sung in the midst of his narratives, like Green Hills of Earth
http://www.oldradioworld.com/media/xminusone_550707_TheGreenHillsOfEarth.mp3
>>14113318
>the movie is good for removing the /m/ part
>adaptations should have nothing to do with the source material
really nigger?
>>14112506
DMVs are run by the states, bruv. For examples of federal effectiveness, you'll want to look at the military (best in the world), Amtrak (which is hobbled by private rail ownership), and the USPS (which was so awesome that it had to be actively sabotaged in order for private competitors to be able to compete).
>>14114051
To be fair, the United States Military might not be the best in the world (depends on how you qualify that ranking), but it's certainly has the most toys. I was going to say biggest, but China, Russia and a few others probably have more raw people. Richest so maybe?
Which is less because of the military themselves, and more down to the US being the biggest kid in town. Which is down to economics and having the best one left after WWII.
>>14114051
Real talk, other than the once in a blue moon hiccup I have a lot of love for the Post Office's ability to get shit delivered on time and in good condition.
Though, my local branch really needs more clerks active in a given shift, the lines aren't tremendously big but their per-clerk throughput leaves much to be desired, and oftentimes there's only one clerk active when they could have three at a time.
Still they're doing great for a service that's supposedly always financially fucked.
>>14114057
Part of the military's effectiveness is the training. A huge part of it is that we throw tons of money at it. And yes, probably the most important factor is our toy access, which again is due to well-funded R&D.The problem is that most modern conflicts don't need a military so much as National Guard/police-style work. We can win any war without breaking a sweat. Keeping peace, though?...
>>14114059
USPS is a model org. They trade a tiny bit of convenience in terms of wait times (which few people have to deal with regularly anyway) for impeccable service otherwise. I hear that, in some areas, they're not so good, but not anywhere I've lived. The reason they're hemorrhaging money is because they were forced to fill their pension fund for the next 75 years of payouts with the "revenue" of the last 10 years, while most other companies are actually cutting their promised benefits.
I mean, there are some places where you want private industry leading the way, but when it comes to research and entrenched institutions that you're going to need for years? Nationalize (or at least publicly fund, either directly or through a monopoly, like with Bell Labs) them and set aside some of the budget for improving efficiency/bringing in private sector experts to audit the policies.
>>14113318
> Always thought the Verhoeven adaptation of Starship Troopers being a general opposite to everything the book represented, not just commentary on military government
There was a great movie analysis by Rob Ager on youtube, but it got removed. (Filename : "STARSHIP TROOPERS film analysis 1_3 by Rob Ager")
I also like when an adaptation do more than following the plot and insert its own interpretation, some of the best adaptation come from that (and that very old SF book rarely match Hollywood's action requirement).
I wish we had more adaptation, but looking at how Asimov last adaptation turned into a Advertisement I'm not sure I want.
>>14113333
Hey, if that's what allowed them to animate the bugs so well I'm all for it.
Also, showing the Mobile Infantry not as citizen savior but as brainwashed political tools is much more interesting. (and at the time a nice take that to the US war in Irak)
>>14114460
>Nochick will ever cosplay Arkady
And I'm too fat to trap.
/m/ - Politically Literature
>>14114622
>>14114460
>Commentary on a war that wasn't started until 5 years after the movie came out.
>>14114622
I cannot begin to understand why /lit/ seems to be trying to force itself upon this board recently.
>>14114652
Sci-fi/lit/ is ostracized by the rest of /lit/. Think Toonami threads on /co/ and /a/ before they were finally accepted on the former.
>>14114687
That still doesn't justify it.
>>14114652
Prolly just oppurtunist shitposters
>>14114693
Tell that to the sentaifags on here.
>>14114652
But it is not a bad thing, so fuck you
>>14115002
It very much is, considering all the shitposting caused by them.
>>14115021
Like? Can it really honestly be any worse than the millionth "What went wrong?(gundam/macross/seasonal series)" bait threads, or the equally popular "Why do people think (A series with some fans/quality) is good?"
>>14115033
Yes.
>>14115048
Okay.
Like what?
>>14115058
This thread, the fedora worthy "professional critic" posts recently, and other such things.
>>14115075
>this thread
Op was like, sort of bait-ey i guess, but now people are talking about sci-fi books, oh no!
> the fedora worthy "professional critic" posts recently
Uh ok like what exactly? Im on /m/ 24/7 and i have not noticed these.
>Other such things..
SOooo you don't like this thread because, reasons i guess, and also other vague assertions.
Still seems better than >>14114599
which was made less than a few hours ago.
>>14115113
>SOooo
Talk properly you autist.
>>14115155
okeydoke mr thin skin magee, still waiting for any arguments or proof of the grand /lit/spiracy against /m/.
>>14114652
Sci-fi lit is /m/. Spaceships and robots. Sorry anon.
>>14115178
One of the people who vehemently hate Getter is a /lit/fag.
>>14115113
>only sort of
The essay long "intellectual" posts of unimportant shit about shows.
>>14115818
You don't see us shitting up /lit/ with our garbage and pretending to be superior, so why must they do the same to us?
>>14101240
funny coming from someone who wrote such a piece of shit as Hyperion
>>14115839
Comes with the reputation of being
>The easiest board on 4chan to troll
Note all the /k/ threads. Note all the /mu/ threads. Note all the spamming of memes from other boards. Etc, etc.
While I'm okay with /m/ SF threads, this one started out awful.
>DUR HURR THIS COMMENT ABOUT HOLLYWOOD WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANIME MEANS MECHA ANIME SUCKS!
>>14116256I'm OP and it's actually a copypaste of a troll thread from months ago which I thought was funny
>>14116364
I thought it was funny too
>>14116256
>>DUR HURR THIS COMMENT ABOUT HOLLYWOOD WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANIME MEANS MECHA ANIME SUCKS!
He doesn't say Hollywood though, he says "movies", period.
So he's just another ignorant cocksucking American dumbfuck who thinks that their limited scope of knowledge equals everything there is to know.
>>14116364I fell for it.
>>14115958
It's been at least a dozen recently.
>>14116180
We already have too much garbage here, we don't need more being shoved down our throats by other boards.
>>14101240
>writes literally one literary science fiction novel
>follows it up with 3 trash sequels and some iliad fanfiction
shut your ass up simmons
>>14116387
non-american movies are irrelevant and shit.
>>14101468
>implying women should be in sci fi
Real futurists have only contempt for women.
Space Adventure Cobra > generic space opera of your choice.
>>14102254
>British
>London
Either pick one, or may God help you.
>>14120032
But Cobra had tons of women, most of whom were capable as well as beautiful.
>>14119509
>3 trash sequels and some iliad fanfiction
oh god don't remind me, endymion was absolute total garbage
>MUH RENAL CALCULUS
bu that Iliad thing was even fucking worse
>>14120793
Yeah and most die or are only there for a episode or two.
>>14120873
Variety isn't really the same as contempt, especially when most of the male characters besides Cobra share the same fate.
>>14101468
>and shallow female characters
I know you're just baiting people but I really wonder if the people who spout that actually read the book. Literally one of the first people in that book to call the Free Planets Alliance's leader out on their bullshit happened to be a female while Yang just sat around like a lil moody child.
>>14104389
>>14111520
>they actually use the name of the movie to sell the book nowadays
When the hell did they start doing that? I bought the book like three years ago and it still had the original name.
>>14120793
>most of whom were capable as well as beautiful.
Oh gross, you're one of those kind of beta males.
>>14122543
I want /v/ to leave
Yeah. Let's totally push the thread off track again to complain about political bullshit some more. Fuck /pol/, fuck tumblr, fuck goons, fuck anybody pretending to be them just to shit up /m/ some more, cuz that's what /m/ really needs is to be shit up some more.
Now feel free to call me cuck/misogynist whatever as you go back to shitting up the board.
>>14122543
What?
>>14122505
And myself I have the book with its Blade Runner movie (and the real title bellow)
