The transformation of mechas are interesting through the series.
Also this motherfucker was another transformation of it
>>14093670
Why does it go from cool to shit and then shittier
>>14093758
>>14093772
>>14093758
flight mode that has never appeared in the story
Did someone say Nagano? And post Bang Dolls? I'm in!
>>14093763
The second one is the coolest
>>14093796
Although I like MKII, I have to agree with you. Although, is it really a fair comparison? I know they are closely related but they are so different from each other that the Speed Mirage can be seen as "inspired by" the MKII, as opposed to a linear evolution.
found this somewhere
blood temple
LED Mirage
ツァラトウストラ・アプターブリンガー (how do people even translate this shit?)
>>14093820
It's katakana, it's not that difficult.
>>14093812
I don't really know. FSS version ends with The Final Junchoon v.s. The Knight of Gold MKII while L-Gaim version ends with the second AUGE v.s. L-Gaim MKII.
>>14093825
GTM names are broken German translated into Japanese. So far I couldn't translate them.
>>14093803
This is him now.
>>14093812
I think Rogner left Cloudsschätze around after escaping float temple.
>>14093907
>scythe
Fucking disgusting.
>>14093924
>>14093907
Where did this Auge come from?
>>14093932
It's a machine messiah, a mecha from the super empire era. In universe, it is the basis for the normal Auge we see in FSS. At least that's what I recall, it's been a while since I read FSS.
>>14093907
From what I recall chibi-Rogner (because of the daughter chip) used the speed mirage to blow up the float temple--- at Amaterasu's orders. At this time, the real Amaterasu had moved to this massive spaceship with a bunch of mirage corps and was a hermit of sorts.
>>14094145
>with a bunch of mirage corps
Pretty much everyone in the Mirage Cops who didn't have some form of immortality or wasn't enlisted very recently was in cyrosleep at that point, it seems.
Does anyone know what's the status of FSS? Did Nagano just drop it altogether?
>>14094557
No, it's still going on. Just with the new GTM designs. Not like it makes any difference to us since there are no English scanlations.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4420023634
>>14094786
>Just with the new GTM designs
RIP in peace FSS. You never lived up to your potential.
Didn't Nagano create FSS because he was dissatisfied with L-Gaim?
>>14094860
Something about Nagano wanting to expand L-Gaim but the corporates didn't agree, so he goes off and does this separate series that's ostensibly still based off of L-Gaim.
>>14093670
I think the GTMs are interesting
>>14095070
>>14094856
>implying it had any in the first place
Figured this would be the best place to ask, but can someone give me a general guide to FSS kits and figures? I swear they're almost nonexistent.
>>14093670
The Mortar Headds have always been sublime designs. They always managed to look like they had a lot of depth and style to them without resorting to the over-the-top amount of surface details as the Gothicmades and many other modern CGI mecha. It's a shame we never got to see more than a couple of them get animated, and even that was for only a few seconds.
>>14095129
Eh, I think it could've been good with an editor who wasn't afraid to tell Nagano no. There's a lot of potential in the world and the aesthetic, but the story is handicapped by Nagano's constant timeline jumping and a lack of any real cohesion.
Pretty interesting design on the bottom left as far as GTMs go. Looks a lot more in line with Mortar Headds
>>14095680
Dude looks like AUGE
>>14095129
The world and aesthetics were solid, at least before he started retconning shit left and right and introducing retarded fashion getups late into the run. Everything not involving Delta Belun and the Mirages was pretty cool like the covert dickery run by Hatuha and Fillmore or Kastenpo shenanigans.
>>14095680
>>14095683
>that's the Ashura Temple
Good lord what have they done to you.
>>14095743
Looks good to me
>>14095734
The current arc we're on has been one of the best. The fashion is also great.
>>14094860
Yes, and Tomino made Zeta for the same reason. That's why you see a lot of plot and character overlaps from L-Gaim into Zeta.
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>>14095070
Me too but I wished he would have not replaced the FSS designs. I mean, he spent literal years perfecting the LED Mirage... just to replace it with something else :(
>>14095852
To be fair, I expect the designs for each GTM to be like that too.
>>14095389
I'm stoked that we're actually getting a plastic model of the Vai-O-La. It's such an obscure and strange design compared to other MH like the Mirage or Engage series, but damn if it isn't cool as fuck. Perfect for a desert mercenary knight.
Although the Speed Mirage/Cloudschatze is kind of the pseudo L Gaim Mk-II of Five Star Stories, it kind of shares a lot of its background, role, and story with Final Junchoon.
Like the Mk-II, which was the advanced but underperforming Amon Dul Stack frame, refurbished with parts from the Blood Mirage (including its pretty head.) to create an incredibly powerful Heavy Metal, they took the Junchoon (the L-Gaim vanilla of FSS), which was a fundamentally strong frame but lacked power so it underperformed, and gave it the engine used in LED Mirages along with additional changes and upgrades which as Sopp put it "accidentally created possibly one of the most powerful Mortar Heads in the Joker system.". After 1000 years in slumber it seems like it got additional upgrades when we last saw it basically retelling the FSS version of the events in L-Gaim in 4100.
So in other words, there's not really a single equivalent of the Mk-II it's role's kind of split up, with Junchoon's upgrade acting out its role but Cloudschatze being more its visual successor.
I know this is about looks more than story but just saying.
I always wished the Cloudschatze's head were either not pointy, or split apart so like the Mk-II it would have a fuselage behind its head but not have a needle head all the time. It'd possibly be my favorite MH if it weren't for that. lol
I still love the Mk-II best, it has the elegant and ornate Nagano esque elements to it and that cool knight head, but with a bulkier, more powerful looking frame. If I could update it, all I'd mainly change is the chest armor. Maybe make it a tiny bit fancier.
>>14095903
Is that IMS 1/144 or 1/100?
I think they got KOG 1/100 planned.
>>14095954
1/100. They are putting 1/144 on hold.
Auge, Vaiola and KOG are 1/100. Still pissed that A-Toll wasn't 1/100.
>>14095903
Tell me when we get any decent model, plastic or resin, of the Blue Armor, then I'll listen.
It looks like total ass in the lineart but pure badass in the manga.
>>14096010
When Nagano dies and Bandai buys a license.
>>14095968
When's KOG getting released?
>>14095389
>It's a shame we never got to see more than a couple of them get animated, and even that was for only a few seconds.
Probably because they're impossibly difficult to animate.
>>14096026
Based on previous track record of IMS kits, probably 1 or 2 years from now. Depends on whether they choose to release it first, or Auge and Vai-O-La before it.
>>14096040
Though, it may go a bit faster since the inner frame is the same as the LED and Terror Mirage, which have both already been released.
looking at a lot of these mechs I get the impression that Nagano just really wanted to spite the toy companies
>>14096065
You think those are bad?
>>14096065
You might not be wrong, considering the ornate design and more advanced model building techniques usually associated with MH models has kind of put them on a generally slightly higher pedestal of modeler's prestige than your average Gunpla.
>>14095389
Chocochar's next upgrade?
>>14096075
Would be fitting considering he killed Gali's Not-Auge.
>>14096071
That is a lot of shit going on.
>>14096072
I couldn't even begin to try putting something like these fuckers together
>>14096083
Five Star Stories mecha designs will always be the top, period.
Next in line would be Muv Luv, but still a huge gap between 1st and 2nd. Muv Luv also exude a sense of exclusivity as only Volks did their modelling for a period of time.
The rest of mecha like those from Sunrise are just mainstream commoner shit.
I id like how IBO designed inner frames for the show's setting purpose rather than designing one in the model kits as an afterthought, But then the motivation for a universal frame was to reduce the cost of the model kits. IBO mentioned that some battles back in the Calamity War were settled with duels, similar to FSS.
Do the IMS Led Mirage and Terror Mirage share any common parts in the frame? How about the Schepeltor?
>>14096071
Nagano going to Nagano.
>>14096103
>IBO mentioned that some battles back in the Calamity War were settled with duels, similar to FSS.
Honestly I kind of wish we where watching that anime instead and I speak that as some fag who actually liked IBO
>tfw glorious penis sword
>>14096103
>Do the IMS Led Mirage and Terror Mirage share any common parts in the frame? How about the Schepeltor?
IMS LED and Terror have the exact same inner frame with a few mods (i.e. hip mount and ankles), but in-canon all the Mirage machines share the same frame. Schpeltor probably doesn't because it's older than almost every Mirage machine, but it does have a lot of similar design features. Even for Fillmore, anything that has "Siren" attached to its name shares the same frame, no matter the size of the armor.
It's really interesting when you compare a Siren and Mirage frame side-by-side to see the differences between the two. The Mirage frame is more mechanical and almost granite-like, whereas the Siren frame is very smooth, bony and organic much like our skeletons.
>>14096113
Ah man that scene where the KOG's armor shines insanely bright when it turns its head is one of my favorite mecha moments.
Its overly extravagant and obnoxious and I love it.
![L-Gaim 34 v2 [15A39BFE].mkv_snapshot_03.18_[2016.04.08_02.39.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6O4q8ea.jpg "L-Gaim 34 v2 [15A39BFE].mkv_snapshot_03.18_[2016.04.08_02.39.30].jpg")
working through L-gaim now.
Glad to see Leccee back. She's looking a lot less Nausica than before
>>14096124
Yeah it wasn't until that moment when I realized just how based KOG is.
>>14096117
I love shared frames. IBO had the Graze and Gundam frame. FSS and IBO could afford single frame per nation their mecha combat were quite one dimensional, primarily focused on melee. No need for heavy artillery dedicated frame etc.
Anyone know what the one of the left is supposed to be?
>>14096103
Good thing with Muv Luv is that each nation's TSF had defining visual elements.
I really want to see Nagano draw an Orbital Frame
>>14096135
Final/Last Junchoon is still my favorite mecha design of all time.
I dunno it's just so perfect because of how intricate it is, but at the same time trim and unhindered.
>>14096117
>It's really interesting when you compare a Siren and Mirage frame side-by-side to see the differences between the two. The Mirage frame is more mechanical and almost granite-like, whereas the Siren frame is very smooth, bony and organic much like our skeletons.
I like how it's shown that the old Machine Messiahs had a much closer integration between the armor and the frame, and that the MH had them as more separate entities. It demonstrates how the Machine Messiahs were more advanced multipurpose machines who didn't need armor reconfiguration to accomplish tasks, whereas the Mortar Headds did.
I locr you m u m dtunk
>>14096163
The transition of mecha design in FSS is really interesting (before the Gothicmade retcon anyway). You see that the designs from the Machine Messiah days to early MH like Auge, Empress, Bang Doll, etc being very ornate and glamorous in their design, with singular production numbers to later, more utilitarian and mission-specific mass production designs like A-Toll, the Ashura Temple, and KAN all being examples of the more typical advanced MP units that you would see in Gundam. You do get a few strange exceptions like Jagd Mirage, KoG, and Junchoon, but those were all made by Sopp who is an outlier of a designer anyway in the society of FSS.
The A-Toll and its variants are definitely some of the less usual FSS designs.
>>14096149
Last Junchoon looks a lot to me like what would happen if Nagano asked Katoki to draw a Mortar Headd, given how angular yet simple and compact the design is. Which isn't a bad thing at all, because it really makes it stand out compared to other MH.
>>14096201
it's comparatively a lot more utilitarian
>>14096201
Maybe that's why I like it so much, because it does have this really elegantly compact no-nonsense design (which especially makes it stand out in FSS), but at the same time its design has this intricacy and distinct shape that makes it not boring, or too plain. I also love its back, how it has some protrusions butt they're nicely subdued and shaped into the shoulder armor, and that back part of its head. Its overall shape just gives it this nice balance between being unhindered and practical (by FSS standards) but having enough detail and just the right shape to look advanced and powerful like more "busy" mecha at the same time.
I'm sorry I just don't get to talk about it very often, but it really is like top 3 of all time for me.
>>14096201
>Last Junchoon looks a lot to me like what would happen if Nagano asked Katoki to draw a Mortar Headd
I would love to see other mecha designers draw their own versions of the Mortar Headds. Part of what made Gundam stand out from other franchises at the beginning was the shear diversity of the designs like what we saw in Zeta.
I want to get into FSS, where do i start?
>>14096328
Chapter 1. Idiot.
Will Nagano ever work on another Gundam series?
>>14096357
Maybe an OVA down the line but never a series.
>>14096141
Anyone?
>>14096375
New Jade Temple/ Engage SR3.
>>14096357
big claws bruh
>>14093820
This makes me sad because of how true it is
>>14096103
I agree with you on FSS being top [pre-GTM].
I am not sure about TSFs being 2nd. There are, undoubtedly cool designs. The Typhoon and the Russian Twin's TSF (and the successor to this one, can't remember the name) come to mind as the best of TSF designs.
But to call the rest of the mecha like those from Sunrise "commoner shit" comes across as bait.
There are many fantastic designs that are in the "mainstream:" the Gundam Mark V is one of my favourite if not my all time favourite Gundam design. You also have designs like the Nu Gundam--a fantastic re-imagination of Amuro's RX-78 (and in that vein you have the MK-II which I consider to be vastly superior to the OG gundam); the Sazabi and Sinanju; the Turn X--inspired by a blooming flower; the Gaplant--a geometrically inspired design that is pleasing to see but at the same time shocks, the whole PMX series (maybe not the one with the glowing head);
In terms of A.U. we have designs like the Tallgeese (and by affiliation the Leo; a personal favourite of mine though is the Virgo I), the 00 S1 Gundams (although Exia is not my all time favourite, I recognize it as a fantastic design---one that it seems will stand the test of time).
I could go on a on because there are many great designs in the mainstream (Doms, GINNs, Geara Dogas, GM Sniper line, etc.) but this should suffice to make the point that just because something is on the mainstream it is not automatically 'commoner shit.' You might not like certain designs, a matter of preference, but that does not make such designs bad. There are designs that I am not too fond of but I have no problem recognizing them as great designs.
>>14093758
Bang Doll is cool, but it's got nothing against its rival.
>>14097105
The prototype Ashura Temple has always looked off to me, I much prefer the MP version.
People should just admit that the GTM designs are still better than 99% of modern mech.
>>14097192
where did you find this?
>>14097192
I think everyone can agree everything Nagano has ever done is better than a certain shit "mecha" show from the 90s with the most cancerous fans in the universe that primarily take up residence on Tumblr
>>14097205
>a certain shit "mecha" show from the 90s with the most cancerous fans in the universe that primarily take up residence on Tumblr
Are you talking about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfnSzpYnA2M
>>14097194
Japanese post.
>>14097212
I was implicating this but I can now see how my vagueness could be confusing.
>>14097220
Oh god UltraXwing, don't do this now.
>>14097224
Is that you debating Anon friend? I keep telling you I'm not this phantom lover of yours.
Mmmm~ gold
Which will be released first, Eva 3.0+1.0 or Gothicmade BDs?
>>14097344
Underrated mech
>>14096148
Man, I love this thing's head and can see potential with the body, but it really needed to lose those extensions on the shoulders and overall be less pointy. Some more armor around the waist/abdomen area wouldn't hurt either.
>>14097162
The funny thing is that, canonically, it was off. The giant ass claws taking up so much space on the back and shoulders made it unbalanced and harder to pilot, so the MP version getting rid of them made for a much more fine-tuned machine.
>>14097304
you think that ever got pointed out to him?
>>14097611
Considering he also stuck both a dick and vag on the back of its head, I'm sure he's more than aware of it.
>>14097575
Eleshis would have been better if it didn't look like some downgraded version of the Neptune.
Seriously, what is it about Nagano?
His mecha designs in FSS are the only ones in the world I can honestly say I like. Even the ones that I don't like as much as others are still light-years ahead of designs from other properties.
To me most other mecha are either completely forgettable, samey and boring or utterly hideous and stupid-looking. Though there are plenty of designs where I like certain parts, elements or ideas of them, but none that I like 100%. FFS mechs are the only ones to be able to do that. Why is this?
I've been trying to figure it out for months now and the only semi-reasonable explanation I've found is the way he draws shapes. While that's all fine and dandy, there has to be more to it than just that.
>>14097611
There's no way it's not intentional.
>>14097618
>>14097620
Yeah but Im more curious if anyone ever called him out on it is all. I mean industry wise and not us internet folk some decades later.
>>14097620
based Berlin SR-1. If you think about it, the SR-2 was a prelude to replacing the good old designs with something new that is worse but better appeals to Nagano's current faggotry. The high heels, the ridiculously exposed midsection, the overly thin limbs, completely doing away with the aesthetics of the original.
>>14097620
>His mecha designs in FSS are the only ones in the world I can honestly say I like. Even the ones that I don't like as much as others are still light-years ahead of designs from other properties.
I think it has a lot to do with the fact that most of the FSS designs are very good at portraying motifs, much like old medieval and samurai armor. There's a very strong aesthetic cohesiveness to each design. It's not just random shit tacked on to look cool like the Gothicmades or every other CGI mecha you see these days; almost everything on each MH looks like it has a reason to be there (not in the functional sense, but in the way it adds to the aesthetic). Even something as simple as the Devoncha or Maglow have clear design motifs to them. The only other person who I know has come close to matching this was Izubuchi and his Rune Masquer designs, but those can only compare to the bottom tier of Mortar Headds, which even then is still a complement.
>>14097652
Speaking of Devoncha, I think it is by far the most underrated Mortar Headd design out there. It's not spectacular, but everything about the design flows together smoothly. It embodies everything that makes Mortar Headds endearing without going the more modern Nagano route of skinny limbs and overly ornate protrusions.
>>14097620
Nagano's designs in Zeta Gundam and ZZ are memorable as fuck.
Personally, I really think his L-Gaim designs are the best. FSS look too aesthetic. The Heavy Metals actually resemble mecha to me, but with enough graceful design to make it eye-pleasing.
>>14097673
>FSS look too aesthetic
Fuck does that even mean?
>>14097652
>>14097658
As time went by, Nagano tried to instill more of his fashion designer sensibilities into his mecha as opposed to the more raw classic armor sensibilities that were on his older designs like Gorg and L-Gaim. Many people were shocked by the Gothicmades, but they are a logical progression of the evolution of his design sensibilities over the past 30 years, for better or worse.
>>14097693
I think he means they look more like sculptures than anything meant to be used as a war machine.
>>14097699
That makes no sense.
>>14097652
>I think it has a lot to do with the fact that most of the FSS designs are very good at portraying motifs
I disagree, since a lot of the time it's very hard to pick out any clear influence from other stuff in FFS designs. Which is a good thing, because it's not in your face and cringey like Knight Gundam or whatever.
>There's a very strong aesthetic cohesiveness to each design.
Oh, absolutely. There's also the fact that they're detailed but not busy.
>>14097673
>Nagano's designs in Zeta Gundam and ZZ are memorable as fuck.
I guess, but they're not "pure" Nagano designs. All of them have been altered by other people to fit the Gundam aesthetic, which I despise. Qubeley got it the least, so it's my favourite of Nagano's Gundam designs.
>The Heavy Metals actually resemble mecha to me
They, too, have that toyetic and fugly Gundam style to their surface detail.
>>14097699
Aren't they supposed to look fab as fuck in-universe, though?
>>14097706
>Aren't they supposed to look fab as fuck in-universe, though?
Good point.
>>14097705
Tell that to Nagano, if you can even find him.
![Star_Driver_01_[BD_720p_Hi10P][AtsA][06F47078].mkv_snapshot_18.40_[2015.12.21_13.24.27].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T7Xi6UM.jpg "Star_Driver_01_[BD_720p_Hi10P][AtsA][06F47078].mkv_snapshot_18.40_[2015.12.21_13.24.27].jpg")
Star Driver did Skinny Slim mecha right
>>14097711
there he is
>>14097706
>they're detailed but not busy.
That hasn't been true in recent years.
>>14097734
Well, nobody was talking about GTMs.
![Five_Star_Stories_[BD.720p_FLAC]_[C09BC26E].mkv_snapshot_00.05.17_[2016.04.08_16.47.19].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vILn0ai.jpg "Five_Star_Stories_[BD.720p_FLAC]_[C09BC26E].mkv_snapshot_00.05.17_[2016.04.08_16.47.19].jpg")
Can I ask what's up with the clothes? I mean some of it's okay but a lot of the stuff even a Parisian noble would find ostentatious.
>>14097706
Wish I still had my pics of the designs for Z Gundam he came up with.
>>14097711
That's just a watered down Empress though.
>>14097751
That's the whole point. Also, Nagano is a fashion designer. If you have seen any high fashion shows you know that the clothes displayed are just concepts, not meant for everyday use.
>>14097711
Yeah, i agree.
GTM designs do this well too but the main quip, at least for me, is that they replaced the FSS designs.
>>14097782
I thought I had those but nope, just mk2 and Hyper Zeta.
>>14097709
That anons reasoning is what makes no sense, is what I mean.
>>14097711
Ha.
>>14097738
>GTM
KOG and Messiah Auge are busy as fuck, anon.
>>14097910
Auge I can see being busy, but KoG? It may be ostentatious but in the end it's pretty damn elegant and simple.
>>14097910
>MM Auge
When it opens its binders maybe, otherwise no. Take the binders away completely and it becomes kinda plain even. The Yen-Xings would've been a better example, and they're busier as a way of showing the comparative splendor of the Super Empire.
>KoG
Not seeing it. What makes it so busy exactly? The big hat head and the Buster Launcher? The color? It's a fairly simple body, anon. I'll give you the launcher, maybe, but KoG2 with its giant flared crown head is way busier visually.
>>14097946
>it's not busy if we removed all the busy bits
well, that's not wrong
>>14097954
Take away the two pieces of shoulder kibble and the body is just kind of average for a Mortar Headd. It's leaner and somewhat more stylized I guess, and drawn with a specific sheen even in black and white, but otherwise there's nothing that makes the majority of the design particularly busy. It has two huge things tacked on because L-Gaim reference. The Yen-Xing's much busier head to toe with its jagged lines sporuting from the thin frame, cables all over, oversized head with multiple horns and all that jazz.
>>14093670
The G arcane is one too
I like Nagano's early to mid FSS designs. But when it got to the last third of his FSS designs, such as those from design Works III, they started looking ugly.
By the way what were the reasons for not having firearms on FSS mortar hedds?
When do buster launchers come in to play? Do they violate the chivalry code of dueling?
>>14098010
MHs are actually loaded head to toe with gunports, they're just not very effective against against other mortar headds unless used against already damaged armor. The solid swords are made of bullshittium so they cause catastrophic impacts on a good hit and lightsabers are lightsabers, so obviously they're the better weapons against MH armor. Also, the lightsabers can double as beam guns and some mortar headds are specifically built to mount guns powerful enough to actually work in MH combat, but that obviously makes them less good at defending themselves in the typical hand to hand scenario.
Buster launchers are nuke guns that cause mass devastation, not ideal when you actually want to keep limited land and resources intact, and require an external powersource when mounted on MHs. One loading a Buster shot is vulnerable to getting melee'd (remember MHs actually move stupid fast, much like headdliners that are capable of DBZ-tier teleport fighting) and they're extra vulnerable after firing. The KoG has twice as much power output as other MHs in the galaxy, was specifically built to carry buster weaponry by the biggest mary sue in the setting and still suffers constant malfunctions because of it.
>>14098044
But Sopp is my waifu
>>14098073
He's still the biggest mary sue though. Genderfluid white haired, red eyed immortal deity from another dimension who pretty much everyone loves or at least wants to fuck, and those who don't are in awe of him and his powers. His faction has all the strongest people who all devote themselves to him and also all the best robots because he designed them all himself and the few that can match them, he had a hand in making as well.
Pretty much every single major event, particularly everything around Bosjasthforth and the sorcerer wars, happens because of or involves Amaterasu in some way and the setting admits the universe bends over backwards for him. He's pretty disgusting writing and it's telling that the really fun and interesting setting bits are those that actively avoid involving him or just put him or one of his agents in side roles. Colus, Fillmore, Hatuha and the other nations could make for a fantastic setting without the AKD around.
>>14098134
Can Amaterasu defeat LED Mirage though?
>>14098141
kek
>>14098134
When you take into account that Amaterasu is GOD, it makes sense that everything centers around him. Sure he's a Mary Sue, but unlike others such as Nausicaa, he doesn't go out of his way to be some absolute saviour of humanity and remains fairly distant from most of the events of the story. The OPness of the Mirage Knights is also understandable given that we are told they manage to conquer the entire galaxy later on.
>>14098183
This is how I interpreted it as well. Amaterasu is literally a GOD and the Mirage Knights are his angels. So I kind of expect a god to be omnipotent and full of mary sue fuckery.
I mean it's at least one way to allow a deus ex machina in there tp keep the plot rolling.
>>14098183
>doesn't go out of his way to be some absolute saviour of humanity
Oh no, yeah, he's just there to save them from SATAN (capitalized as in the source material) and also brings perfect peace to the galaxy by conquering it all no problem, then leaving a lunatic replica of himself to be a terrible leader so he can be the unsung hero because he then actually fosters the resistance movement and helps them overthrow the empire he himself set up because they could not have managed otherwise.
It's boring, it's terrible storytelling and it completely shafts what could've very well been a far more interesting setting because Nagano needed his untouchable self insert to be at the center of everything. An untouchable self insert that, when looked at with the lens of a sensible person, was rightly made the villain of L-Gaim and Nagano didn't like it.
>>14098275
>he then actually fosters the resistance movement and helps them overthrow the empire he himself set up because they could not have managed otherwise.
That's actually not that different from what happened in God-Emperor of Dune.
>>14098134
>strongest people who all devote themselves to him
Is that why one side of his personal knights went around wrecking and killing his subjects while he was gone? Not to mention what happened when the black knight and his pals attacked.
Best robots is debatable too.
>>14098296
>implying this isn't going out of the way to be a savior
>implying the pseudo-feudal society in space that was immediately discarded post original Dune wasn't the most interesting for continued stories and exploration of the setting
>>14098314
I was just saiyan the "emperor helps fell his own empire" trope isn't that uncommon in scifi/fantasy fiction, so it's not like Nagano was particularly obnoxious in having his protagonist do it.
>>14098301
Also the rescue arc where we see Soppgetting his limbs blown off and not being able to revive himselfor that crazy mage dude killingKaien
>>14098275
I'm not far into L-Gaim.Is Sopp a Kamandra?
>>14098275
SATAN aside (because we barely see any story-related material on them and I don't believe they're even mentioned in the timeline), Amaterasu is never really portrayed as any kind of saviour or righteous entity. When he takes over the galaxy, it's described as a hellish and apocalyptic event, much like how he took over Delta Belune. While he did help the Colus rebels, it was he himself that was responsible for the corrupt government being set up anyway, and he doesn't stick around to help rebuild the empire or anything anyway.
Don't forget that the very ending of FSS, in JC 7777, is that Amaterasu WIPES THE JOKER UNIVERSE OUT OF EXISTENCE and creates a new universe with a new breed of humanity. Because he learned that ultimately, human beings are not worth saving.
Of course, most of this stuff is just side material; the actual manga barely ever shows Sopp and even less so Amaterasu, most of the times he shows up he's a gag character; same with Lachesis. We see more of Kaien and Aisha then we do Sopp.
If you really want to see a terrible self-insert mary sue MC, read Nausicaa. She is the "warrior peace princess" trope cranked up to 11, and she shows up in every chapter of the manga.
>>14098301
>Is that why one side of his personal knights went around wrecking and killing his subjects while he was gone?
As soon as Amaterasu overcomes his momentary weakness, caused by dealing with an immortal dragon deity that now owes him big time, the Green Left immediately goes back to serving him and their leader that conducted the rebellion is given a position in his royal family. Proving that Amaterasu is so special and untouchable that a squad of mentally unstable murderers will bend the knee for him and his waifu.
>black knight and his pals attacked
Oh you mean when Spaccorn tanked Bosjasthfort's uber sorcery and chopped off his arm? While Falk U Rognar destroyed a monster said to be as powerful as a Mortar Headd while on foot? A monster Bos summoned because he admitted he wasn't stupid enough to try and fight Rognar. And then Rognar sacrifices himself to tank an absolute zero sorcery blast, but it's fine he'll regenerate because he has a piece of forgotten super empire technology.
And how Spark, the weakest version of a split personality knight that also houses the spirit of a super empire chevalier far more powerful than any headdliner, makes Decors Weissmel the third Black Knight flee from battle. With kitchen knives and no battle gear whatsoever. Oh yeah. Good example bro. And then Decors winds up joining the Mirages/has a daughter with Spark who's part of the Mirages anyway.
And that's not even touching upon how the Mirages get Maximum the ultimate life form that has to go to another world of gods because he's too hax for this one, Jaquous the leader of the biggest space pirates group and Kaien's top student, both Sword Saints Douglas Kaien and Deimos Heirarchy at different points in time or how their jester is actually a god born to watch over Amaterasu for reasons.
And the best robots bit isn't debatable, the Mirage fleet is hands down the best in the galaxy and the other machines that can match them needed Mirage tech to get to that level.
>>14098361
>Of course, most of this stuff is just side material; the actual manga barely ever shows Sopp and even less so Amaterasu, most of the times he shows up he's a gag character; same with Lachesis. We see more of Kaien and Aisha then we do Sopp.
Yeah, he's very rarely on the frontline of the story except for volumr 1.
>>14098275
Well, that puts a lot in perspective.
>tfw Daba could have gotten his role as the main character hijacked
>>14098361
>If you really want to see a terrible self-insert mary sue MC, read Nausicaa. She is the "warrior peace princess" trope cranked up to 11, and she shows up in every chapter of the manga.
If that movie sequel gets made, you can be sure Anno would rectify that problem real quick-like.
>>14098362
Nice of you to forget to mention one of Sopp's favorite headdliners had her head chopped off but whatever, dude.
>but it's fine he'll regenerate because he has a piece of forgotten super empire technology.
He's put of of commission for a good while. You're over simplifying things. He regenerates a child with a fraction of his former strength.
Maximum is hardly relevant. He never does anything in the timeline. Douglas Kaien is killed without putting up a fight. Bugle de'Leizer
Schaft was killed. Remember a few others being killed off too.
>>14098408
does Maximum actually do nothing in the manga?
>>14098516
I don't even remember if he even shows up
>>14098516
This is the only time he ever shows up.
Yes, HIM, in that last panel.
>>14098393
>If that movie sequel gets made, you can be sure Anno would rectify that problem real quick-like.
It wouldn't even be called "Nausicaa" anymore, it would be "Kushana: You can (not) Crusade"
>>14098575
Who's the lady? Can't seem to remember her. Literally need an encyclopedia for all the characters in FSS.
Do these Power Armors ever show up in FSS?
>>14098652
In the rescue arc, I believe.
Nagano mech heads always look like they're meant to be some monolithic background on the cover of an album.
>>14098652
>>14098660
yep, little bit in the rescue arc. IIRC they get smoked by a headdliner on foot within like a page of them showing up and then the MH battle begins so regular troops clear out except for that one ballsy as fuck tank commander.
>>14098408
Oh you mean the one he liked because she resembled his mom and was otherwise completely unimportant? If you wanted valid examples you could've brought up Nu Soard Graphite and Bester Orbit, swordsmanship instructors for the AKD, going down pretty much without a fight. Which still doesn't change that Bos, despite being about as final boss tier as humans get in the setting, outright refuses to fight Rognar and gets fucked up by Spaccorn, while Spark (again, weakest version of Picking Harris) sends Decors on his way wielding kitchen knives.
I'm really not simplifying things. Rognar is literally immortal because he has a special snowflake piece of tech, sends what amounts to Emperor Palpatine in the setting running with his tail between his legs and destroys a summoned monster as durable as Mortar Headds while on foot. Oh yeah he's put out of comission for a while, that's okay because he never really does anything until he turns up to act as a total plot device anyway. A few Mirages are killed to try and hype up Bosjasthfort and Buchgtma but that is entirely ruined by other Mirages sending him, his cronies and everyone else packing nearly every single time they get involved.
FSS is far and away at its best when it involves AKD as little as possible.
>>14098652
Honestly I think his more urban, scaled down, subdued designs like this or his cars/bikes etc are extremely underrated and I really wish he'd do more of them.
>>14098772
I like his hovering tanks a lot.
>>14098772
>>14098790
The whole concept of a hover bike also acting as the cockpit of a mech is still rad as fuck to me.
And yes, rad. 80s rad.
>>14098756
>his cronies and everyone else packing nearly every single time they get involved.
You know the current arc is focused on them right
Can someone tell me more about this guy? I can't find any lore or story information online. Why isn't there a wiki on this series?
>>14098864
Taken straight out of Mazinger.
>>14099102
http://www.gearsonline.net/series/fivestarstories/mh/schpeltor/schpeltor.php
>>14099102
Really? Not even on Gears online? Cause it's definitely there.
But anyways that's Schpeltor, aka the Water Dragon, aka Knight of Gold 1.0. It was the signature Mortar Head of Dougulas Kaien, who's the protagonist of one of the story arcs in FSS during the pre 3000 era (there's a lot of different protagonists for the different stories.)
Schpeltor was actually one of the prototype Mortar Heads Sopp made when trying to create the Knight of Gold (along with Auge), so its pretty strong.
>>14099118
Okay and? Doesn't make it not cool.
>>14099118
But a cool fucking hover bike instead of a little pod.
Like I said, 80s rad.
>>14099137
Also the father of the woman headliner who ends up piloting this beauty.
>>14099267
He's a man, and that's hands down the worst of the Mighty series.
>>14098876
And? Doesn't change that shit involving the AKD is easily the worst parts of FSS.
Emperor rescue arc could've been sort of fun, it gave us a look at how rank and file deal with things, but then magical goddess waifu easily subdues the Green Left by making their cold blooded murderer leader cry and it turns out Amaterasu loses his powers only so the LED Dragon can owe him one and as soon as the Mirages get involved they ruin potentially fun things.
Would've been nice to see the Gods Temple Knights, the non-Mirage headdliners for AKD, actually do things before the story turns them into robotic stormtroopers. But only one is named, they all get smoked in 2 pages by the Pied Pipers mercenaries (which are another potentially fun setting aspect) and then the Mirages and their super superior machines (which are so good because Amaterasu made them, remember) come in and faceroll the Pipers with no fight whatsoever.
Oh and Amaterasu is just so gosh darn pretty and cool this mercenary that's been trying to hunt him down all arc decides to join him, without even knowing who exactly he is. And of course the mercenary's Fatima loves Amaterasu and that seals the deal, because Amaterasu was best friends with the super genius that made the best fatimas and he's such a great guy they just can't help but feel sick to their stomach if they defy him.
Oh but Bos kills Schaft that totally balances things out.
Best Heavy Metal reporting in.
Check out this guy's channel , all the original FSS kits .. quite awesome
>>14100627
... forgot link
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_gIEeOXE2sd9aIVMH_jC_Q
>>14100530
I wish the horns were somewhat shorter and swept backwards like a goat's instead of just jutting out the sides of the head and straight up. Still the best Heavy Metal tho.
I don't know too much about FSS, but after looking through this thread, I decided to read up on the Mortar Headds, and they all sound OP as fuck compared to a Mobile Suit. Shit like moving at supersonic speeds and having weapons strong enough to blow up continents.
How many standard grunt MS (i.e. Jegan) would it take to defeat a single grunt Mortar Headd?
>>14102694
IDK, at Nagano's wankiest probably more than it took to push back Axis. Though beam sabers are effective weapons against MHs so...
