I saw this image about 4 days ago on this board i had not even known a new serious series of gundam had been announced since the End of 00. All i saw was a giant thread of /m/ talking shit on it. But, It was amazing. The politicking was interesting. The character interaction between mika and orga was Refreshing. When was the last time we got a gundam series with out the main pilot acting like a whiny bitch about having to fight?
The twist of turns of Mcgills betrayals kept me entranced. I can not wait to see what they do with the sequel .
so /m/ why all the hate?
Because it's procrastination the anime.
>>14092161
That explains nothing. The pacing was really well done. The battles where set up well and apart. The story progressed perfectly in a 25 episode ark and ended with a great conclusion how is that procrastination?
>>14092164
S-Stick to AZ
>>14092158
>When was the last time we got a gundam series with out the main pilot acting like a whiny bitch about having to fight?
Like the last three gundam series.
>>14092164
I found I simply wasn't invested in the villians around the middle of the show
I didn't have a reason to dislike Teiwaz. The pirates had potential, but they didn't really spend long enough to make me investes in them. A lot of the villian characters felt real cliche too, like the punk pirate. He feels like a cartoon Yazan
Mikazuki is a boring protagonist who doesn't feel invested in anything. He feels so flat and passionless. Even the way he talks is monotone.
>>14092164
>The pacing was really well done.
On what fucking planet?
>>14092201
Hell, almost all Gundam series by the episode 15 mark at the very latest.
>>14092201
Or almost any protag barring SEED/Destiny or AGE after they hit the early-middle to middle point of the show.
Guys this is bait, do not reply. It's an excuse to have yet another Gundam/IBO thread up.
>>14092201
>>14092226
>>14092229
>>14092235
Found the retard.
>>14092201
>>14092226
>>14092232
00 whiny bitching about killing. unicorn whiny bitching about killing. Seriously. There all whiny bitches i don't want to fight. I don't want to kill. IT get's old.
>>14092226
On planet not a single filler episode. Each episode had a goal and advanced the plot nothing was rushed or purposely slowed down to cut or add episodes.
>>14092263
Found the masterbaiter.
>>14092264
When did Setsuna whine?
>>14092268
I think it was more so much the character development that was poorly paced
Look at Kudelia. Her development is so juddery. One step forward, one step back.
>>14092306
>Setsuna
Like the whole second half of the season whining about how you couldn't do it any more and all that angst
>>14092310
I'll give you that one. She did annoy me in this series. I kept yelling at the screen for her to just stay put let the fighters do the fighter and her to do the talking.
>>14092158
underage b&
>>14092350
B& my dick
It's older then your mom.
It could have been 00 S1
Instead we got S2
>When was the last time we got a gundam series with out the main pilot acting like a whiny bitch about having to fight?
The last one, Reconguista in G
>>14092434
A boring one no doubt
>>14092158
>When was the last time we got a gundam series with out the main pilot acting like a whiny bitch about having to fight?
Gundam wIng in 1995 in japan and 1999 in US.
Now get off this board you underage prick
>>14092158
>The politicking was interesting
>The character interaction between mika and orga was Refreshing.
Which happened like one or two instances?
You are one of those faggots who big bun burgers and sandwitches with very very thin filling.
Now go back to munching that loaf of mushy bread you call sandwitch
>>14092226
On Mars.
>When was the last time we got a gundam series with out the main pilot acting like a whiny bitch about having to fight?
After Mika i would much prefer a whiny bitch instead of unlikeable sociopath like him.
>The twist of turns of Mcgills betrayals
It's just one betrayal and 20 episodes of very obvious build up to it, 30 seconds at a time.
Macky and Garma were a neat duo and a better part of this shitfest, but they really didn't get much development and their storyline was way too fucking obvious.
>>14092158
>mika
>orga
>character interaction
>>14092158
Stick to AZ retard.
>>14092158
> i had not even known a new serious series of gundam had been announced since the End of 00
Did you miss G-Reco, too, or are you just not counting it as "serious"?
>>14092232
Flit and Asemu didn't have problems with killing.
Asemu didn't really bitch out until he thought they were picking a fight that would cause civilian casualties.
>>14094406
Kio was a murder machine until he saw lolis die of space aids.
>>14092434
Sums it up pretty well.
>>14092226
Bizarro Earth.
>>14092158
So I take it you've only seen SEED Destiny and Unicorn, generally dont know how to identify common cliche within the medium and are easily impressed.
>>14094443
So who will die in the next IBO season to make this happen? We all know this thing will end in understanding Japan loves that
>>14094478
It can always end in tragic death of everyone, Urobutcher style.
Frankly, Tekkadan and Fareed would deserve it.
>>14094548
>It can always end in tragic death of everyone
>killing orphans
>>14094548
How is everyone dying tragic?
They all deserve it a dozen times over.
>>14094478
What if no one dies? Plot armor is so thick that they could kill enemies just by sneezing at them.
>>14094548
>>14094562
Carta died almost a month ago.
Let it go guys.
>>14094554
>orphan cockpits smashed
>blood leaking from the hatch
>workers/MS explodes
>orphans completely okay, having a picnic in the next scene
It's the IBO way.
>>14094700
They are iron blooded after all.
Maybe you can pull them apart with magnets.
Did we ever get ratings for the last 5 episodes?
>>14092158
>>14092164
Hahahahahahaha faggot.
>>14092158
Because it is written by Okada and it sucks like its fandom.
Hell I'll choose to watch reconguista than this shit.
>>14092158
Because people on /m/, and anime fans in general, love to hate. Hell, I'm probably hater too, with the long list of stuff I hate, but I won't go into that here.
I didn't love IBO, but I enjoyed it more than a number of other Gundam series. I really don't care about who did the writing/directing/brought-the-coffee-to-the-staff. I just care about the end product. It entertained me enough to keep watching, and didn't enrage me in any way that I wanted to go vent on an imageboard and get all hot and bothered.
>>14095888
THIS
>>14093379
I'm not sure yet how i feel about G-Reco i'm only about ten episodes into it. IT has a VERY SLOW START. Gives me amuro feels. I had not heard of G-Reco really but i went to look at it cause of you. Still like IBO better but so far it's not bad just feels very slow.
>>14093379
>>14095910
berlli still kinda angsty as fuck...
>>14092164
>ark
>>14095910
>likes IBO
>thinks Reco is slow
Low IQ-sama, please just stop posting.
>>14095972
Don't mind this one, this board's filled to the brim with Reco hipsters. If it were popular I guarantee you it wouldn't have so many defenders on this board.
Try and see if you can watch it to its end and judge for yourself.
>>14095972
I'm sorry you are so alone that you can't help but hate those who enjoy what you don't.
sorry senpai!!!
>>14095999
I didn't say I hated anyone though.
That's just completely fucked if anyone actually thinks that. Reco's problem was too swift of pace, IBO's was how painfully slow it was until the last three or four.
>>14094548
>It can always end in tragic death of everyone, Urobutcher style.
>>14094465
Not him, but I for one am proud of my ability to be easily impressed. Life is more fun this way.
>>14095991
He's right though. IBO is really slow and downright boring which is the opposite of Reco. From first episodes impression I thought that IBO would be fast and Reco would be slow but boy was I wrong.
At least reco was entertaining and had good visuals while IBO is fucking stupid and ugly most of the times and by no means am I saying that g-reco was that good.
>>14096017
Like what?
How? I don't under stand..
>>14096037
I liked IBO's gritty art style though.
IBO went through plot devolopment from episode one. Every episode continued that. With reco i feel like there having battels every episode just to have battles the story is stagnates for episodes at a time with no new information revealed or any story given just omg guy more of the same fight.
>>14096024
So you're saying it's okay for people to be degenerates like you? I take it that you didn't get the point of 00 or have you not watch it yet? Even then just because you're easily pleased doesn't mean the entire franchise should go down because they have to cater to the growing number of idiots like you because it's a trend to accept anything even lazily created entertainment.
>>14096062
Dude. You must of worked hard at becoming this elitist.
>>14096050
Were you describing g-reco or IBO? Because that sure as hell sounded like IBO to me
>>14096077
G-Reco's it's good. I'm enjoying it. But, It's had more fight in the first 10 episodes then IBO did in the entire run. There's a fight every episode even when there's not a need for one. IT takes like for ever to the plot to advance and like what to the mech in g-reco just magically fucking repair then selves. You have a fight every day and there just magically fine and there's just infinite fodder of both sides for the gundams to play around with.
It's fine if you don't like a little realism with your gundam but please don't hate just cause some of us do.
>>14096095
It's fine, don't worry about it, I kind of liked Reco myself but its first part I found a bit weak too, and it's not like it's an unpopular opinion considering
Tomino himself felt the need to apologize for it.
People trying to make you feel bad for having even a few benign reservations about it's first ten episodes are just wanking off to themselves, considering it's a well spread and criticized part of it amongst even some who overall ended up liking it.
>>14096095
>magical repair
Episodic story telling, lad.
>realism
So exactly how is IBO realistic?
>>14096042
I really suspect no matter how hard anyone tries, it won't be clear to you.
IBO takes forever to ramp up any momentum. It's undoubtedly due to the fact they had multiple scriptwriters and a shit director. Okada is fine, not good, but she needs someone with a good vision to put her story in motion. Tomino is...Tomino, but he is a good director. He needs someone to clean up his scripts though because they tend to lose their tonal center on account of their speed.
I'm kind of glad I got to watch G-Reco and IBO with /m/ as they were airing. I don't think I have it in me to power through these two and binge-watch like I did with 00, Zeta, Victory, etc. Even an episode a day would've been pushing it.
>>14092158
>i had not even known a new serious series of gundam had been announced since the End of 00
What are you trying to say?
>>14096122
I did not have a steady internet connection for 3 years that what i am trying to say.
>>14096105
Thanks.
>>14096109
Not even mention'd. Even with episodic story telling there is not even a time line for how far apart these events are they can not have every thing fined in a day.
> How is IBO realistic
Every death has a reaction. They actually worry about parts and repairs. It actually shows behind the battle.
>>14096042
It does not need a ramped up momentum it's steady. We meet them. They are betrayed, They used the Gundam. They fight back. They continue the job. They make it to space. They get into it with the turbines, They negotiate with the tiewaz, Space pirate, They deal with Entry forces, Crazy lady goes after them, They kill crazy lady, Final batlle, Conclusion. It's a steady Chapter by chapter kind of momentum. NO filler, No bullshit. IT's pacing actually reminded me of OutLaw star.
>>14096140
I assume you're unfamiliar with Gundam in general. Gundam has never had a reason to show long-lasting damages unless they're part of the story because they've always had spare parts and a hangar full of expert mechanical crews and engineers. I don't see why in the distant future the repair time is a big deal.
In IBO, Barbatos getting damaged is only used to sell kits. It goes undamaged for several battles until a piece (usually the shoulder) is damaged, whereupon they grab whatever flavor Graze scrap they just battled or get it repaired with new shit. That's the gimmick. It was announced as such at the beginning of the series. It's like how other Gundams (G-Reco for example) have backpacks. It moves plastic.
>Every death has a reaction
Normal for Gundam.
>They actually worry about parts and repairs. It actually shows behind the battle.
Also normal for Gundam.
>NO filler, No bullshit. IT's pacing actually reminded me of OutLaw star.
As a fan of Outlaw Star, I can say that the one thing it is NOT is well-paced. So besides the "NO filler, No bullshit" part, you're right on the mark.
>We meet them. ... They continue the job.
That's 2 or 3 episodes
>They make it to space. ... Space pirate,
This is 18 or so episodes.
>They deal with Entry forces, ... Conclusion
5 episodes or so.
Can you see why people would think those empty 18 episodes are a problem?
Hey /m/, I am new to the whole "mecha" thing. I was blown away with how great Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans was and I wanted to try more Gundam mecha.
I saw Gundam Unicorn was airing this season and I thought I should give it a try. I was told else where that I should watch some of the older Gundam mecha before viewing Gundam Unicorn.
I tried watching the first Gundam mecha movie and I couldn't get past the first 10 minutes. The art and animation is awful and the main character is such a bitch unlike Mika. I don't think I can sit through 3 movies and god knows how many episodes.
Do I really have to watch that older crap to appreciate Unicorn? I asked some guys on Reddit and was told Gundam Seed and Destiny were basically a retelling of the original stuff.
What is /m/'s opinion?
>>14092158
barbatos makes me think of a frog for some reason
am I the only one?
>>14096250
4/10 for effort
>>14096259
0/10, it's a copypasta.
>>14096252
how about sea turtles and rihanna
>>14096245
>repair talk
To be fair though that never really becomes relevant except in 08th Team 00 and arguably ZZ
>>14096095
>It's fine if you don't like a little realism
You don't watch a show with giant humanoids robots for realism. Also IBO and realism are like oil and water.
>>14096466
Opposed to the other Gundam which are hyper realistic
>>14096466
>Hur Hur you guyz don't seriously watch Real Robot franchises for the more realistic robots do you ?!?!
I get that Gundam goes full retard even when they are trying to be realistic.
But shhh
>>14092164
Its boring. The character is boring
Mika is an overused "Cool" character archetype. Its ok when Heero do it, It's kinda cool when Setsuna do it, but when Mika does it, it was flat no character at all unlike Heero or Setsuna
Orga is an somewhat Ok borderline annoying "Aniki" character archetype that pull out superb out maneuvering plan from his twat
Muh Kudelia Peace Princess.
The setting somewhat refreshing and new but boy they wasted it. Instead it took them over 20+ episode to reach Earth, and the politics are fucking retarded. The politics in G-Reco were handled better at least we knew the situation between the Moon,Earth and Venus in IBO we are treated how Kudelia is SUGOI DESU~, Orga pulling out Ruse and Master Plans from his ass and Hidden Unknown Brother coming out of nowhere and die in one ep. The series wants me to believe it was a serious Gundam episode but in the end it felt like it was not belong in a Gundam instead it was a bunch of kids escorting a Martian Delegate to Earth to speak out about Martian Oppression while being hunted by Gajalalalahron that's it.
In Zeta we have autistic manchild punching a MP guy and was dragged into a conflict between TITANS and the AUEG that resulted in countless death when superweapon firing left and right
Hell even in G-Reco we have a Genki Child roaming around Earth Sphere with a Dimension Breaker Gundam trying to figure out why suddenly everyone is breaking the taboo (ie Militarization build up) after 1000 years of peace
>>14095921
Because he found out Aida was his sister.
>That rampage when he find it out
>>14095991
>Reco hipster
IIRC the one who hated Reco the most was the newfaggot who new to mecha. They feel so assblasted when the patrician and nobles around them UNDERSTAND and have zero problem PAYING ATTENTION to the series they strated to blasting G-Rekt/Gwrecko because they have a mind of a 10 year old when watching /m/ series and needed to be spoonfed with exposition to fully understand a show
>>14096140
>IBO
>Death has a reaction
Ibo death was pretty weak, for me only Biscuit demise hit kinda hardmainly because I have a little sister. But overall it's pretty meh
>>14092264
>>14092158
Because it's getting more love than a Tomino series.
We just can't have that.
>>14096623
>Its ok when Heero do it
Because Heero is completely over the top.
>It's kinda cool when Setsuna do it
Because Setsuna has the background story that goes with it, faces it and overgrows it.
>when Mika does it, it was flat
Because in Mika's case we're just told "he's fucking psycho" with no sensible explanation and all of it being promoted like acceptable things because "he's MC".
I tried hating IBO, but ended up being genuinely entertained by it. Sure, Mika is one dull fucktard, but we're not being forced to feel sympathy for the guy. I don't agree on the "cool archetype" part, Mika seems more like this illiterate kid with some sort of Mars Asperger's, even the attention he gets from females seems somewhat fueled by pity. The kind you feel for a crippled dog.
Writers don't give a shit if you like Mikazuki, his lack of charisma is compensated by his orhpan bf Orga, that's the entire idea. Mika's there to pilot the gundam and embody the tragic fates of space orphans, which tingles miss Kuuderia's feels.
>>14096919
> aspergers
I wish people would stop trying to attribute social disorders to characters. Mika displays none of the signs of it, he has no problems with social interactions, nothing. He doesn't have a problem communicating, he's just not interested in it.
>>14096673
Are we ever told he's a psycho? I don't recall anyone reputable ever saying anything like it - just enemies calling him a monster. Which doesn't count for obvious reasons.
>>14096952
I forgot that IBO spent so much time abusing exposition that when it didn't, people wouldn't get it.
>>14096965
The only time he approaches psychotic is when he confronts Orga. Mika has a very clear us v them mentality and has no problem with killing, but he isn't psychotic.
>>14096673
Mika is so much different then Setsuna and Heero.
They are all self righteous zealots but Mika is by far the most self serving, and while being the simplest of the three, by far the most manipulative of those around him.
Orga and Kudellia are just another weapon for that beast to fuck the world with while Heero and Setsunas are eventually find humanity thanks to their comrades.
>>14096919
> aspergers
That's not even a thing anymore.
>>14096919
>his lack of charisma is compensated by his orhpan bf Orga
Orga is a useless piece of shit though.
>>14092158
>so /m/ why all the hate?
One simple reason: People being really butthurt over g-reko not being very well received by a lot of people despite all the hype. It's essentially a case of "You think something I like SUCKS!!? WELL THIS OTHER SHOW YOU LIKE SUCKS EVEN MORE!!!!1".
When people initially brought this up they tried to reflect the whole thing, but now they don't even bother. It's widely known among us who didn't think G-reko was any good that the people who fell for the hype and are the same idiots who keep ranting about how every subsequent gundam show is shit.
>>14097013
>Orga is a useless piece of shit though.
I feel like that depiction comes down to the director being an idiot. There's a whole lot of "the boss was right, they did exactly what he said they'd do" without actually showing him think, strategize, or give any reasons for it. It's basically "Kudelia sugoi!" but with a different character. The idea is that they're doing impressive shit offscreen, but it's so far removed from what we do see that the notion is reduced to being little more than a cruel joke.
>>14097013
Olga is best girl
>>14096640
To be fair, it was because of people close to the characters died and I know there was a lot nameless/minor character death vs people with actual lines. They were massive motivations for why they decided to pilot a mech.
Shino becoming a pilot was because the fact one lapse of judgement and pity for fellow human debris that got a lot of good men on his side die along with the rest of the squad. On top of that, Danji's death hits him quite hard since few if any of the Tekkadan ever felt the warm embrace of a woman.
>>14096623
It was a slow burn of the situation at hand, first showing how bad the situation is on Mars, the treachery they face from their own bosses. Then it focuses on how bad the situation human debris faces (if it was a late night anime, I can assure you it would also have a couple of female human debris as sex slaves). By the time we hit Earth we finally get to see the bad guys basically shit the plate they eat on by alienating the economic blocs through false flagging, cronyism and outright hypocrisy.
>>14097013
>useless
He's a figurehead for Mika to use
Just the same as Kudelia
>>14094548
McGillis is the man, even if Grimgerde looks a million times better as a model than onscreen, and Carta deserves what she got for being an idiot and placing her pride above her mission. She could have blown up the train tracks and won without even fighting. She may not have been evil, but she IS a big part of what is wrong with Gjallarhorn.
>>14095888
This. I'll bitch about it on /m/, but seeing a Gundam with a mace made me really happy inside and I love the Man Rodis to death.
>>14096987
>another weapon
Did you forget that he's all for his Nakama and that's the trigger to his angst? He's just a boring, dull and uninteresting character that people really like to over analyze as to believe he's some sort of monster just because he's okay with killing. People forget he's just a kid and doesn't know better, that's really all there is to it.
>>14092158
I thought it was middling at best. It was nice seeing an MC that wasn't all PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING but the political shenanigans weren't that good and the fight animation was meh
>>14096073
He's more pretentious than elitist.
>>14096120
I politely disagree, IBO is a lot better in chunks than episode by episode.
>>14096245
I never noticed that they repair it with Graze parts, that's actually pretty neat.
>>14096250
Amuro starts out as a little bitch and gets smacked into becoming a true man.
>>14097258
I took her tradition attitude as a metaphor for honouring laws of war.
In the same way that say.... NATO is bound by rules of engagement a group of Rebels are not bound by said rules of engagement.
>>14097303
>>14096073
IBO is a pretentious show with an elitist fanbase
>>14096095
god, you type like a mongoloid
>>14097299
I don't get this meme. Don't all characters man up about halfway through as a show of development and character growth? Didn't understanding only happen with only a few series and only about near the end of it?
>>14097326
Pretty normal though, they just made it a main gimmick in IBO. Every suit exist only for the "good guys" to get upgrades.
>>14096636
>be a G-Reco hater
>mom asks me to walk the dog
>get outside and realize she never told me explicitly where and how far
>angrily shitpost about how dogs are awful all day
>>14097437
keksimus maximus
>>14092312
You didn't fucking watch it. We know you didn't fucking watch it. Stop pretending you did.
>>14097340
>IBO
>elitist fanbase
>>14097338
NATO would have bombed the train from above and sent grazes in to dig through the rubble for Kudelia's and Inexplicably Japanese Former Prime Minister of Russocanada Sinister McBeardsly's remains.
>>14097340
Do you just throw words together randomly?
>>14097377
What the fuck. Damn. I guess I didn't notice because I suck at painting and model kits make me depressed, so I don't buy the cool little models.
>>14096919
Mars asperger's.
i like this. His i will kill and be tough but not smart or any think cause i just fuck things up to survive kinda retard. He would of been nothing with our orga!! <3
>>14096987
>Mika has a secreat depth of character my manipulationg the charismatic orga to have entire orginizations support his quest to fuck shit up.
>>14097037
Some one who understand that the space trip was not just filler <3
>>14097037
DANJII YOU SAID YOU WOULD DIE BURIED IN A WOMAN'S TITTIES UAAAAGHAAAAAAAAAGHAUAHGAUAAAAAA
And that isn't a slow burn when you aren't filling the time with world-building. The space shit could have either been wrapped up much faster or the world-building been much denser. I would have preferred the second, actually. But for whatever reason, IBO has horrible time management for their episodes and we end up with a huge void of wasted time, repeated nonsense, and refusal to draw more backgrounds so characters always stay in the same place.
>>14099111
Wow gjallahorn is so bad! What else is new? It's not like they're anywhere near Titans or A-laws level of evil. Most of them are just jokes anyway since they can't even handle a really small group and fucks up because Kudelia is so SUGOI and muh badass MC privilege. There was literally no point other than to tell us how bad gjallajhorn is which we already fucking know and it's not even as bad as regular Gundam villains.
>>14099154
It was supposed to be a more relatable level of evil. More real and pointed at current earthen affairs with economic oppression
>>14099166
Well that doesn't make for a very exciting show but even if it would IBO has done nothing to actually make it work or even kept it interesting
>>14099166
Imagine if Carta acted like someone that was groomed from childhood to be in a military position.
Or if the pirates acted like they knew what they were doing being much more experienced in space combat than Tekkadan.
Or Kudelia's ideas were actually discussed and the pros and cons were assessed.
