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00 was good /m/
Indeed.
not as good as IBO
It was.Including S2 and the movie.
Prequel OVA never ;_;
Yeah, 1st season was a GOAT, with all those twists and crazy shit happening every episode and especially in the finale, 2nd was not as good but still had good moments, and I haven't seen the movie yet. 00 is the best AU Gundam, IMO
>>14081563
>the movie
The second half is like 9/10, but everything leading up to that was dreadful.
CB the movie was ok.
Seravee a huge shit.
>>14081562
Go back to MAHQ faggot
>>14081550
I probably would agree, if we had gotten more Wang porn, her in that Chinese dress of hers.
>>14081581
Wang actually has more art than Nena or even Sumeragi, but everyone too busy fapping to Tieria anyway
>>14081581
At least what we got is amazing.
>>14081623
Too lewd.
It's certainly the last Gundam series Sunrise seemed to put serious money and effort towards. The show's nearly 10 years old now and still manages to hold up next to (and in some ways exceed) newer productions like IBO.
It was fantastic but then fags bitched about fucking no mouth vents and shit so we got a ball-less Zeta retread in S2.
>>14081623
Artist?
>>14081634
Build Fighters is amazing andG recois good, but yeah, a lot of new stuff has been kinda shit at best.
>>14081647
http://exhentai.org/g/581918/e0a46db8d8/
>>14081651
Build Fighters was alright, marred by a terrible second season. G-Reco is OK at best.
i want to wang her liu mei
>>14081651
I forgot G-Reco. That one's probably the pinnacle of production value. Just wish the writing was a bit better.I enjoyed it as well.
>>14081577
Movie was decent for what it was. It has a very clear goal, which is to present mech porn, and it's very pretty mech porn (if kinda vanilla funnels-and-giant-beams fare). It also rounds out the 00 storyline by finally presenting the 'dialogues that are to come' that Aeolia founded CB for, and does so more or less in keeping with how S2 went.
People give it crap mainly becauseGIANT SPACE FLOWER.But there was alsoSetsuna pulling every Goku in the book: runs up against antagonist but doesn't have enough training yet, suddenly suffers debilitating condition and doesn't recover until the end of the arc, mental trip through all his friends and the whole life of earth to appreciate what's at stake, suddenly recovers and gets the training needed to swoop in and save the day as an even more super-human.And if that wasn't lazy enough,they avoid setting up a new faction or space war by simply introducing a shape-shifting alien species to serve as the faceless mobile suit cannon fodder for increasingly ludicrous beam spam displays from the Gundams. Not to mention bringing back Ribbons but not really just for the brief and ultimately pointless shock value.
I guess one way to think of it is like mainline UC. You have a first entry that's generally sound and well-liked (S1, 0079), followed by weaker stuff that meanders and cranks up the magical powers (Z/ZZ), and rounded off with a movie that's mostly spectacle and concludes in a physics-breaking ultimate magic. If you can suspend your disbelief enough to accept the middle part, the movie isn't so bad, but the original entry was still stronger on its own.
>>14081653
T-Thanks anon.
>>14081699
I didn't mind the giant space flower or anything, it was more like the movie wasted a lot of time on bullshit like Descarte Shaman and showing what everyone was doing post-season 2 that in the end didn't really matter all that much and simply made the entire last act of the movie feel rushed as fuck. They had like an OVAs/2 movies worth of material and just didn't take advantage.
>>14081644
Agreed. S1 was amazing. The last few episodes were fucking intense rides.
Design wise: The designs on S1 are superior to the S2 ones. The movie designs are better than the S2 ones because they go back to the S1 roots.
>>14081727
>I didn't mind the giant space flower or anything, it was more like the movie wasted a lot of time on bullshit like Descarte Shaman and showing what everyone was doing post-season 2 that in the end didn't really matter all that much and simply made the entire last act of the movie feel rushed as fuck
This 100%.
>>14081748
>The movie designs are better than the S2 ones
ZABANYA is GOAT, but everything else is meh. Harute is kinda goofy. Qan[T] wasn't a major step up or down. Raphael is great for the 4 seconds it doesn't have the backpack thing. Seravee II is excellent.
Oh, and the Braves are nice.
Well, hell, let's do this:
Exia RE>00>Exia>Qan[T]>Exia REII >00 Raiser GN Condenser Type>poop>00 Raiser
Zabanya>Dynames RE>Cherudim GNHW/R>Dynames>Cherudim
Archer Arios>Kyrios>Arios GNHW/M>Harute>Arios
Virtue>Seravee II>shit>Seravee GNHW/B>Seravee
Raphael>Nadleeh>horseshit>Seraphim
>>14081813
>S2 suits last
Shittest of taste, S2 was best 00.
>>14081748
I recall the reason the reason they changed the designs in the second season was because the animators complained that stuff like the Thrones and Exia were difficult to draw, so they simplified the designs in response. All of my favorite designs were in S2, Flag is sex
>>14081822
Shit, I meant S1
>>14081699
>they avoid setting up a new faction or space war by simply introducing a shape-shifting alien species
>Gundam 00 movie
>the aliens are coming
>the aliens are giant Gundam sized humans
>Setsuna tries to communicate with New Type powers
>the lead alien is corrupted somehow by Ribbons(or Ali Al Saachez)
>Forces a giant mecha fight
>Setsuna goes a little too far and cuts deeply into giant Ribbons
>The giant ribbons powers down, Setsuna pulls his sword out and sees that his sword has hit something metal
>it turns out to be a cockpit, piloted by a human sized Gundam
>"I am Gundam"
>"Me too"
better than what we got
>>14081550
I agree
S2 was a bit crap but on the AU as a whole is a solid 8/10
>>14081820
>Archer Arios in front.
>>14081844
>"My hands are a little Gundam"
>"So are mine"
Jesus Christ, what the hell were they thinking?
>>14081699
>they avoid setting up a new faction or space war by simply introducing a shape-shifting alien specie
Well ayy lmaos were foreshadowed.
I miss 00. I want a far future sequel in interstellar space. And a female main pilot for a change. And no kids.
>>14081651
>>14081660
>>14081678
you anons are allright
>>14081930
Should we not go to the space elevator tomorrow?
>>14081550
>00 was good
>post shit character
I'm clapping with one hand.
>>14081748
>The designs on S1 are superior to the S2 ones
Because S2 designs were mostly utter shit.
>>14082047
She wasn't actually a bad character until S2.
In S1 she was this cute, rich celebrity who had a mysterious agenda of her own going on and was tacitly funding CB. Her presence was never offensive, her character was pretty cute, and her motives were unknown enough for speculation.
Then S2 rolls around, she gets that fugly as fuck haircut, and her motives turn out to be blindingly fucking stupid. And then she does nothing and dies.
>>14081894
Watching 00 for the first time after IBO, part of why I like it so much may be that the characters are slightly older. Setsuna's the youngest pilot and it's seen as remarkable, every other major member of Celestial Being that I've seen so far is at least old enough to vote. It's a welcome break from "Hooray, child soldiers!"
>>14081550
It is good.
Not great, but good.
>>14081550
I'm going to marry Tieria!
>>14081931
that would be for the best, yes
>>14081699
>present mech porn, and it's very pretty mech porn
I thought mecha porn was pretty weak. The ELS just don't make for interesting combat. Having enemies that just chase you and don't allow for close combat gets boring, especially when it was already done with the Gaga troops. How the ELS just explode instead of having any damage deformation doesn't help either.
>>14081623
I wouldn't call broken spines and general disfigurement "amazing".
>>14081822
I read something along those lines around the time the S2 designs were unveiled.
Something about the PlaMo overlords wanting designs with simpler lines to make cheaper model kits.
While simple is NOT per se bad, the S2 designs came across as uninspired and bland in relation to their predecessors. It doesn't mean you cannot like them, as many here sure do. It simply means that they are not as good as the ones that came before
>>14082143
I'm going to kidnap Tieria and fuck him until his mind and butthole can only accept the size and shape of my dick as his general consciousness slips away with thoughts of how sorry he is that his body betrayed you for the pleasures of getting raped by a stranger, and wishes that you'll find love again someday.
>>14082295
The fuck you will
I'm a gundam you fag
Fight me irl at the orbital elevator, see what happens
>>14082288
How is 00 Raiser simpler than Exia?
>>14082301
>I'm a gundam you fag
Jokes on youI'm Veda. He'll come crawling back to me like a lost housewife returning to her big-dicked ex after her nice stable husband fails to please her.
>>14082301
>see what happens
You both fall to your death due to state funded space laser terrorism?
>>14082317
>I'm Veda
I'll moonlight butterfly your ass so hard you won't even be able to run as a calculator.
>>14081892
They're foreshadowed in the same way that SEED foreshadowed space whales. It was a vague aspiration for the wonders humans would find when they they eventually explore the cosmos. There wasn't any reasonable expectation we'd see it (and a lot of people didn't want to).
>>14081550
She was so cute, why did she have to be a backstabbing whore?
>>14082116
Watch G Gundam then; its protagonists are all functionally in their mid 20s (though of course, most of them have a given age of 19 or so)
>>14082312
00 Gundam is simpler than Exia---it's patently obvious just by looking at both.
00 Raiser has more lines but that does not mean it is necessarily more elaborate.
But you don't have to take my word for it:
>NISHIMURA: What was the process of designing 00 Gundam which appeared in the second season?
>EBIKAWA: I had to use fewer lines than I used with the Exia, because when the 00 and the 0 Raiser combined, the number of lines nearly doubles. The combination also changes the silhouette, so that was pretty complicated. But, as the titular robot of the show, I wanted to avoid making it look pathetic as a result of the reduced line count. So while the 00 may have a relatively simple impression, when it becomes the 00 Raiser, is has about the same number of lines as the Exia did.
Source: http://gunplausa.tumblr.com/post/118388875767/rg-00-raiser-roundtable-discussion-part-1
>>14082064
S2 was so fucking putrid aside from Setsuna/Ribbons.
>>14081550
didn't she only wear that chine dress once?
>>14082116
And then S2 happens and it becomes IBO.
>>14082452
S2 was silly but fun. IBO isn't fun at all.
I still wanna strangle the fucker that said slapping a airplane on the back of the 00 would be a good idea.
Post 2000 Gundam
1.GBF
2.Unicorn
3.00 S1
4.IBO
5.00 S2
6.Try
7.AGE
Seed/Destiny should burn in hell
>>14082500
This, pretty much. IBO is terrible, but it's mostly due to lack of anything happening. It's a passive awful that puts you to sleep. Try and AGE sit there and insult your intelligence to your face, bash you over the head with the nonsensicality of their poorly-constructed world and narrative.
Or to put it another way: IBO makes you watch it sit there and take a shit it never entirely passes, just kind of slowly pushing out, then pulling back in, then finally dropping the steamer right at the end. Try promises you the legit chocolate cake GBF baked you, then shows up with a plate of shit and smashes it in your face. AGE is just an infant that sprayed its shit at you, turning into a toddler that flings its shit at you, then a grown man who keeps flinging shit at you asking why you don't UNDERSTAND his scat fetish, before becoming an old man that just coats the walls in feces.
>>14082538
This is a surprisingly well done metaphor. Nice.
>>14081651
Build Fighters production values in general was not as good as 00 or G-Reco. Build Fighters Try is a notable drop in quality given the money and effort was concentrated on G-Reco airing at the same time as it.
IBO looked QUALITY as fuck.
>>14082500
Garbage taste.
>>14081699
I liked the movie a lot. The ELS are suitably not generic humanoids, are clearly very different and alien to our *understanding* in both appearance and views, and the twist with Sherman just being a true Innovator who was teased as being an antagonist by Mizushima was a nice little bonus. The movie averted a lot of the cliches the franchise in general recycles and I liked everything about the conclusion, including the bit with Setsuna leaving to explore the universe while sort of mentally merged in permanent mind-meld mode with the ELS to find their new home while shit goes on after he leaves like the Human-Innovator War and by the time he comes back everything had been resolved again.
Like you said, the one real weak point was Setsuna being taken out earlier in the movie so that they could further build up the threat of the ELS and increase the drama and atmosphere of the threat to humanity but they didn't really have much wiggle room elsewhere to justify subverting and extending the situation.
Remember when Sergei wasn't killed by his annoying son? Me neither.
>>14082704
That was one of the parts of season 2 I liked in 00. Andrei just following his desire for revenge and having it blind him into committing patricide.
>>14082500
1. 00 S1
2. G-Reco
3. 00 S2
4. GBF
5. AGE (save the final arc)
6. Seed
7. GBF Try
8. IBO
9. Seed-Destiny.
I don't count OVAs or movies with TV series.
>>14082703
That's the thing I like. It's direct. It doesn't shoehorn in some random global conflict to justify having more space battles, it takes an alien that suits the purpose well and gets to the fighting soon enough.
>>14082500
Seems about right
>>14082703
I like the idea of making the aliens non-humanoid, but it admittedly does make a lot of the battles in the movie pretty boring, resulting in infinite beam spam because they can't get close.
>>14082500
1. Destiny
2. SEED
3. 00 Season 2
4. 00 Season 1
5. G-Reco
6. Build Fighters
7. Unicorn
8. Try
9. Age
10. Gunpla Builders
11. IBO
>>14082737
B8
>>14082722
Well it was visually dazzling so I have no issue with it since it was a justified sort of reasoning for why it ended up largely being beam spam on both sides.
>>14082747
It was pretty glorious. Was like watching a Musou game play out, just blowing away endless waves of alien drones. Also stupid sexy Brave. Brave had the be the best thing to come out of 00 outside of maybe Exia.
>>14082747
>B8
Except it isn't, those opinions are real. Go ahead and complain.
>>14082737
3/10 got me to reply.
>>14081550
Compared to everything that came after, even things that came after S1 look good.
>>14081550
Still my favorite
I know people bash on 00 S2 for falling back on gernderm tropes and it's well deserved, but it's still better than IBO, AGE, and even G-Reco in my opinion.
>>14082288
While I prefer the 00 Raiser over Exia, I do admit that Exia is far superior.
>>14082704
He had every death flag in the world firing off at once and had somehow got back into a Tieren. It was him dying or Soma jumping in front of him and getting blasted through the cockpit. Look at it like a father dying so that his beloved and adorable daughter can live.
![nena_trinity-1793692[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rVumX8J.jpg "nena_trinity-1793692[1].jpg")
I liked S2 because this bitch finally got the poetic justice she deserved.
>>14081647
>>14081653
>>14081706
>actually giving to saucefags
this is why cuckchan will always be inferior
>>14083037
Then go back to your shitty home.
>>14083030
I'm curious, does /m/ think that having her get rekt by Ali would have been more or less satisfying? On the one hand, poetic justice. On the other hand, she probably would have despaired more at being rekt by the guy who killed her brothers.
>>14083052
Nah, I think I'll laugh at you more
>>14082708
Post-millenial AUs are their own hell entirely.
Limbo: 00S1, GBF
Lust: SEED
Gluttony: 00 S2
Greed: G-Reco
Anger: Trailblazer
Heresy: IBO
Violence: Destiny
Fraud: AGE
Treachery: GBF Try
>>14083062
Okay. Keep laughing on this website, which you're on while professing to dislike.
Seriously, Wheels McMidget, are you that desperate for people to post on your dying site?
>>14083063
>Seed not sinning more than G-Reco
How? At least G-Reco was an enjoyable sort of ridiculous.
>>14082789
>Seed
>Seed Destiny
>top tier
Sudoku yourself now
>>14083063
>Gluttony
>Anger
>Greed
>00 S2, Trailblazer, and G-Reco
I'm not seeing how those sins play into them unless this is about how their kind of polarizing to some of the fandom on /m/?
I mean 90s weren't even that great themselves:
>>14083158
It was, but the story was a lot weaker and meandering. For as pretty as it could be visually, it was a lot of flying around bumping into things just to ultimately make a rapid round trip and not really accomplish much of anything aside from accumulating a long-ass list of one-dimensional characters and one-off machines. SEED was a lot of retread and teen angst but it managed to tell a more complete story, as did 00S2.
>>14083209
>SEED
>managed to tell a more complete story
>>14083183
I will not
>>14083470
You should for humanity's sake
>>14083485
Humanity does not deserve it
>>14083492
At least you admit you are an enemy of mankind.
>>14083523
Not what our sister said
>>14083587
>your
>>14083523
I'm not
>>14081550
Season 1 was.
But S2 and the movie are worse than the latter part of AGE, and the entirety of G-Reco
>>14081571
rape by sand niggers cant be shown on tv
>>14083609
>00 S2
>worse than AGE
2/10
>movie
>not GOAT
>>14083612
If they can get away with this, they can get away with anything.
>>14083681
You misunderstand, it's not that there's sex, it's that you would be showing Muslims doing something wrong.
Just imagine how delicious Al and Marie's lovechild would grow up to be.
>>14083642
Oh let's see here
>bullshit re-tread of Z's "badguy fed spec force group"
But hey, any show that tries to faithfully re-create the shitshow that was Seed Destiny is bound to be good, right?
>Saji and Louise still exist, and are main characters now
>Lockon's dead, but popular, so let's bring back his twin brother Sven
>mech and Gundam designs are the 2nd worst in the franchise's history
>worst final battle in the franchise's history
And then there was the movie
>the worst gundam designs in the franchise's history
>kill the best 00 character pointlessly
>space flower
At least in the end Setsuna finally became gendum
>>14083698
00 kinda skirted around this issue by never calling them "Muslims". There was already some pretty dark shit that went down in the series.
>>14083724
>having an issue with Saji and Louise
>ignoring the fact Lyle was shown and talked abut in a fucking episode as early as #9 in season 1 titled TWIN GN DRIVES with the blatant foreshadowing
You are retarded.
>mech and Gundam designs are the 2nd worst in the franchise's history
>00 Season 2's
No.
>worst Gundam design in franchise history
Hyperbole subjectivity to the extreme.
>kill the best 00 character pointlessly
Everyone knew he was being set up to die because his development finished in 00's second season. You are a faggot who probably couldn't follow G-Reco either but fawn over Seed crap and AGE too I imagine.
>>14083724
>the worst gundam designs in the franchise's history
Not when this exists.
>>14083736
Or this.
>>14083734
>Hyperbole subjectivity to the extreme.
no
>erasing best girl's personality just to have her sit around with Al doing nothing all 2nd season
you bastards
>>14083724
You sound like an ass-blasted faggot with zero taste. All of those things are not only incredibly groundless but the shit with Neil's twin brother was revealed in 00's first season. On top of that worst Gundam designs?
You are cretin and sub-human with zero taste. Not even saying 00 has the best designs and there are some ugly ones in S2 but holy fuck Cherudim, 00 Gundam, Reborns, Garazzo, Gadessa, Arche, Seravee, etc...were fucking great. Also constantly over simplifying things doesn't make your shit valid.
>>14083746
Raphael is great.
>>14083748
Soma barely had a personality to begin with, so what did they erase? She was the generic obligatory soldier girl with an adopted father figure, her character was written well enough that she didn't bother anyone in how she was portrayed in either season 1 or season 2.
>>14083746
>Raphael
>bad
I love pants-on-head Gundam.
>>14083748
They resolved her arc earlier than expected. But on the bright side it gave more screentime to Setsuna and Tieria so I'm ok with it.
>>14083753
Your opinion is invalid to me anyway, because you like this wretched trash.
You can call me whatever you like, won't change the fact that we each think the other's opinion is shit.
As such, there's no purpose in arguing over subjective opinion.
Unless you want to cyclically repeat what would essentially be "nou" over and over again.
>>14083724
>Saji and Louise still exist
Get over it? Get over it.
>and are now main characters now
Saji was one of the main characters in season 1 as well.
>Lockon's dead but popular, so ;et's bring back his twin brother Sven
The same brother that was shown as the family's graveyard in an episode titled in season 1 that directly alludes to him showing up later on that everyone on /m/ knew was going to go down when 00 was still airing its first season?
>mech and Gundam designs are the 2nd worst in the franchise's history
Put up proof.
>worst final battle in the franchise history
Well at least your getting attention with your lies, I'll tip my hat to you on that.
>And there was the movie
I liked the movie, so did a lot of other people here.
>the worst gundam designs in the franchise's history
I'm not seeing it.
>kill the best 00 character pointlessly
>Graham
>best 00 character
>or his death being pointless in the first place
Pay attention better next time you watch it.
>space flower
A symbol of understanding that could've been done better but made sense given its an autist with a god complex to Gundam's and little human normal social interactions, what do you want from Gundamu?
>>14083746
I'm still annoyed Bandai never released a Seravee II HG...
>>14083779
>>14083746
>>14083724
>>14083609
>>14083779
Still waiting for that bullshit about "worst" final fight and worst "gundam designs" in the franchise to be proven, my little autist.
>Gendum 00 was aired almost a decade ago
gundam 00 in one image
>>14083814
>>14083813
Next year 00 will be 10 years old, its crazy how time flies isn't it?
>>14083724
>00 gave us Flags, Enacts, Exia, Dynames, Cherudim, Zwei, Arche, Reborns, Gadessa, Garazzo, Susanoo/Masauro, Kyrios, Virtue, Seravee, Astraea, 00, Qan[t]a, etc...
>worst designs
Stop breathing please.
>>14083681
Wait isn't this from Cross Ange?;^)
>>14083813
>>14083827
I miss the 00 drinking game we used to have
>>14083813
Don't remind me...
>>14083746
ftfy
Seravee II and Raphael without the..thing... is a great pair.
>>14083788
>Graham
>Dying
I bet you think Patrick died too.
>>14083839
I wasn't here when the show aired. Was it really thatfun?
>>14083855
Graham lacks Patrick's invincibility. See you misunderstand:
- Graham has TRANS-GRAHAM powers
- Patrick has immortality
>>14083523
One with Amazon was hilarious
>>14083858
Incredibly fun even when 00 S2 and Geass R2 were airing. Shit with the Innovades/Skittles Squadron, Ali antics, Setsuna's Gundamu stuff, crossdressing/crossgendering Tieria, /m/'s golden age honestly died after 00 ended.
![Mobile.Suit.Gundam.00.full.115427[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DX0WVCT.jpg "Mobile.Suit.Gundam.00.full.115427[1].jpg")
>>14083864
Graham is chilling with Billy in the epilogue, though. The whole point of Setsuna talking him down was so that he'd get over his gundam obsession and go live.
Patrick also has Best Girl.
>>14083855
He was already in pretty bad shape before his attack (and we know that assimilation is irreversible) so I doubt he'd have lived even if he got away.
>>14081563
I liked season two
But if I'm going to be completely honest I wish I never saw the movie
>>14083880
I remember when Awakening of the Trailblazer was announced
>>14083681
That was only in the special edition DVDs, though
Why didn't she just come with Setsuna? she could've just sit there being pretty as a bridge bunny
>>14083612
Europe would have no news if it was true.
>>14083917
The movie mostly does its own thing and doesn't invalidate any of the character development that came before (unlike a lot of sequels) so you safely accept or ignore it if you want.
>>14083940
She was delusional enough to believe she could keep playing the Innovators, so going with Celestial Being would probably be seen as treason by Ribbons.
>>14083925
I forget was the movie announced before or after the final episode aired?
>>14083940
After the supposed destruction of Celestial Being and the Gundam Meisters in seaosn 1, Wang believed her best choice was switching to the winning side; that being the Innovades under Ribbons. Of course Ribbons saw through this and told her to fuck off and she was stuck on the sidelines waiting to try and prove herself but never getting to until Nena killed her.
A sad waste.
>>14083974
I wouldn't be surprised if she had something to do with Celestial Being's betrayal at the end of S1. I mean, she was chummy with Ribbons at the beginning of S2 and he isn't the type of person who would accept anyone without some proof of their allegiance.
>>14081550
I enjoyed S2. It wasn't perfect, and the blatantly evil A-Laws were really dumb, but it was overall a good season.
The movie was just fantastic though.
>>14083779
Am I correct to assume you are the black nerd known as Lkururugi or maybe a MAHQ user or an IBO fag or a TV tropes user or a combination of these?
>>14081699
Wat. Setsuna didn't get a powerup at all.
If Veda/Tieria wasn't uploaded to the Qan[T], Setsuna would've had his brain fried again.
Then everyone would've died.
Also I disagree with your opinions on the ELS.
It was perfect that the opponent was an utterly unstoppable, non-humanoid entity, that could not be communicated with by normal means.
Too much sci-fi does the opposite all the time.
>>14084069
>blatantly evil A-Laws
Colonel Zinn was "blatantly" evil? The dude joined the A-Laws because Kathron or CB caused the death of his wife.
>>14084109
Not A-Laws as a whole, but certain members who reveled in destruction.
Like the fat dude in charge of the memento mori and the grey hair tactician whose job was originally clean up missions.
At least Ali was a great pilot and great to watch.
>>14083903
Patrick getting married to Mannequin was the happiest I've ever been watching Gundam.
>>14084118
I might be a callback to Zeon: in that the leaders/those with power were (for the most part) blatantly evil whereas the regular soldiers had sympathetic motivations.
>>14083813
And yet my love for it has only grown.
>still no prequel high budget OVA series focusing on young Ali in the Solar Wars going from youthful idealist to jaded warmonger
FUCKING SUNRISE
>>14083909
The ELS were such shitty enemies. Having no close combat sucks.
>>14083827
>10 years old
Hopefully Bandai will finally get the fantastic idea to make more 00 Master Grades.
>>14081550
Not really, but some of the porn was.
I kinda liked 00's approach to "newtypes" more than other series because it was never really shown as a "combat enhancement" and pilots, for the most part, still had to rely on their skills during skirmishes. For example, you could clearly see Setsuna's skills improve over the course of the series (even in spite of his machines).
>>14084142
>The ELS were such shitty enemies. Having no close combat sucks :^)
I liked the ELS. I've noticed however 00 movie haters tend to be ESL, strange huh?
>>14084145
GNX-IV MG when?
>>14084302
I'm ESL and I loved the movie. I think it has more to do with expectations and the fact that all the early trailers deliberately misled the audience into believing it was going to be a traditional Gundam story (a really bad move on Sunrise's part). Maybe they just didn't have the confidence to sell the whole "ayylmaos" idea?
>>14084338
Aylmaos aren't what ruin the movie for me.
It's the terrible execution and how it just alternates between exposition dumps and beam spam sequences.
There's a bit of horror built up at the beginning that seems promising, but gets completely wiped away with an ayylmao exposition dump. The fights are also just flying and shooting with some kamikaze stronk tossed in.
>>14084375
>The fights are also just flying and shooting with some kamikaze stronk tossed in.
That's literally the most effective way to deal with the T-1000 Zerg rush.
>>14084385
Which is why the ELS make for a boring opponent.
We also saw the same shit with the innovade gaga troops already. It wasn't interesting in S2 or the movie.
>>14084338
>on Sunrise's part
It wasn't on Sunrise. Mizushima and Kuroda had complete control again of the 00 franchise again and were allowed to have free reign to do what they wanted, which was to follow up on how they intended 00 to be which S2 was Sunrise getting execs to collar them.
>>14084375
I don't remember any long exposition or info dumps in the movie, and the only scenes that fit that bill were after the first fight in the movie and Setsuna going into WIA status. The stuff with Hal and Soma being chased around was alright but could've been better.
>>14084398
Gagas were literally kamikazes. The ELS were the Borg meets Tyranids.
>>14084399
I don't think directors have control over marketing. That's usually always a different department.
I didn't become invested in 00 S1 until the last few episodes. Once the deaths began, I began to shed tears, and the Setsuna-Graham duel is one of my favorite exchanges ever.
In general, I liked S2 more than S1. It was only when Lockon Mk. II's girlfriend died anticlimactically that I started to dislike it. But all the anticlimax of S2's ending didn't outweigh the stuff I liked before that, like the AEU elevator takeover, Smirnov's farewell to his adopted daughter, and watching everyone deal with the losses from S1's finale, especially Feldt.
I thought the film helped correct the crappiness of S2's ending, completing character arcs that S2 left terribly unfinished, like Graham's.
>>14084418
Marketing? I'm pretty certain Mizushima was the head director while Kuroda was the head writer. I just heard they wanted to bait people and really the only example of this is the Western fandom falling into the lure of believing Descrates was some new Ribbons tier big bad for the movie while nothing was alluded to the aliens directly.
>>14084407
That makes zero difference, they're both handled the same way.
>>14084427
My issue with S2 was once the 00 Gundam got the Raiser upgrade, there was literally almost nothing that changed the cycle of every fight until the final arc. Gundam Meisters and Celestial Being + Katharon struggling with the A-Laws and Innovades, they start losing, Setsuna shows up, overpowers and completely wrecks everything and everyone unless a plot point forces Setsuna away or the 00 Raiser from particpating in the fight.
Skittle Squadron, A-Laws, EFF, and so etc...they were all ineffective and terribly so against fighting against CB once Setsuna got his mid-season Gundam upgrade in season 2. I had no problem the MS desgins, hell both seasons have great Gundam and MS in general; I think I'm in the minority that likes Aheads a lot. Nor do I have an issue with the presentation of the story, I just don't like how 00 Raiser made everything easy mode because of every episode fight falls into the same cycle and it ruined the suspense.
Or how Wong/Wang (can't remember her name spelling for the life of me right now), was basically a traitor who couldn't go back to CB or get in good with the Innovades. Or how the ending fight for Ali was so half assed.
I don't think season 2 was as good as season 1 but it still had a lot of high points and I honestly consider S1 a 10 and S2 a 7, especially the final fight between Setsuna and Ribbons going from the Reborns vs 00 Raiser to 0 vs Exia R2.
>>14084437
They weren't though. Although you should understand the parallel there is that its for the viewersunderstandingas forthshadowing.
>>14084427
Are you me? That's exactly my initial impressions of the show, though I've grown to appreciate even its weaker parts upon revisiting it.
>>14084427
I actually liked the anticlimax of Anew's death, personally, though I can get why you wouldn't. It was the first time I actually liked Trust You at all as a song, it wound up becoming my second-favorite ED after Prototype.
>00 S2 has Lyle refusing to identify or be treated as being the same as Neil
>people shit on him for this
I never understood this meme logic
>>14084430
I still wonder how the western fandom could be stupid enough to fall for the bait when the show very obviously sets itself up for that scenario. In fact, I was more worried that they DIDN'T do aliens.
>>14084503
Most people probably wouldn't have complained if they were just brothers instead of twins. Or if they didn't have the exact same haircut.
>>14084509
>We will never get a OVA or movie series focused on ELS Setsuna's adventures across the universe
It fucking hurts so much
>>14084512
Well identical twins tend to look like alike man.
>>14084503
I never understood what people saw in Neil to begin with. Sure, he was a cool guy with some anger issues but there was not much to him beyond that. Lyle was a much more interesting character in my opinion by virtue of having an actual arc and internal conflict he had to work through.
>>14084530
>Lyle is a laid back if somewhat jerk ass cynic and lady's man
>Neil is the obligatory big bro mentor/hero figure
>Neil can't let things go
>Lyle can let things go
I also don't like how people tend to claim Lyle was a Gary Stu when he struggled to replicate the same feats of marksmanship and shooting skills that his older brother kind of casually pulled off.
>>14084559
My big problem with Lyle (or his character arc) was that his double-agent status with Katharon never became a problem. I thought it would have to have consequences, since he was making the effort to hide it. I can't think of how CB and Katharon would have a genuine conflict, but Lyle deceiving everyone could've added some drama somehow.
>>14084604
I think it was ignored because there was no reason for it to lead anywhere in the first place. Both Katharon and CB have the same goals and end desires and the staff really couldn't honestly insert anything that would make bringing up his double agent status.
Plus I thought he was just hiding stuff to avoid being a replacement for his brother on CB, and maybe realized that Tieria is hard gay for him if he becomes literally Lockon 2.0
>>14084604
That's just it - once they found out they just fell right in with Katharon because they were basically both fighting A-Laws for the greater good. Sumeragi should have known Lyle's connections (she seemed to forecast near everything else), but failing that, they should have just cozied up to them sooner.
... or maybe that was her plan all along...
>>14084519
>Same haircut
I only remember some of the butthurt about Lyle being from Lassefags who were giddy he survived season 1's final fight with Alejandro and were hoping he'd be Neil's replacement.
>>14084636
Like what? Lyle having shorter hair?
>>14084559
This. Lyle and Neil *ARE* Different people. Lyle still can't pull off some of Neil's crazier shit either, though he's better at close combat apparently than Neil was, but not as good a sniper.
Best inovade's suits never got to do much cool stuff except the hidden gundam reveals.
>>14084604
There was obviously some tension there (I mean how could there not be after the shit CB pulled in S1), and they both wanted to work for the greater good, but in terms of their long-terms goals; Katharon wanted to be recognised by the world government whereas Celestial Being wanted to remain unaffiliated (i.e. vigilantes).
Basically, they weren't at odds but their goals were clearly different. Part of the drama for Lyle was choosing whose ideals he ultimately believed in more.
>>14084666
Lyle becomes a dramatically more effective pilot once CB recognizes that he has a different skillset from Neil and lets him start being in a position to use his gun kata. He's clearly much more comfortable with pistols, axes and funnels than he ever is sniping, and when he's allowed to just do that his effectiveness as a pilot shoots up tremendously to the point where he can hold out against Ali.
>>14084764
The only real reason he beat Ali is because a) Ribbons was scared of someone of Ali's caliber as an ace having the Trans-AM system which the Arche is never installed with and b) Veda being wrested from Ribbons lead to his suit being shut off and Ali being forced to retreat while injured.
>>14084793
Neither of them used Trans Am during the fight anyway. Plus Ali was getting wrecked by the time his system froze.
>>14084840
>Plus Ali was getting wrecked by the time his system froze.
No he wasn't.
The Movie gave us the Solbraves vs ELS fight. That alone was worth the price of admission.
>>14084941
You saw the movie in theatres? What was that experience like?
>>14084949
Pretty good. The best part of the experience was the sound system + ost. Beefy as fuck bass, but no distortion.
That last moment you hear "SHOUNEN!" and Graham music started slamming you new shit was real. So good.
>>14084977
>That last moment you hear "SHOUNEN!"never forget
>>14083743
Heard you talking shit like I wouldn't hear.
>>14083736
>>14083743
Would rather pilot the oldest GM model to be honest
>>14081550
>>14084977
>That last moment you hear "SHOUNEN!"
;_:7
>>14084977
>Patrick is about to finally die
>beam shot from the last minute
>UWOAHOAOHO
>this starts playing
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re0jXF7dZ8w
>fight goes up to 11
The entire second half of AWOT is phenomenal.
>>14084793
>>14084840
>>14084930
It doesn't have to have been a clear win on Lyle's part to be an impressive feat. He fought Ali in a tight enclosed space, where Ali has the advantage, and managed to not get his shit wrecked when up until then the only time Ali suffered any serious defeat was Setsuna pulling off his first Raiser Sword out of nowhere. Before then Ali could still handle Setsuna and Tieria at the same time without breaking a sweat. For Lyle to take him on alone in close quarters and survive, let alone win, is a testament to Lyle's skills as a pilot.
>>14082500
>2
>Unicorn
>>14084509
Not only that but the tv show ends with a shot of showing there is something hiding inside Jupiter when they had already show us that the CB space station there was already destroyed
>>14081550
S2 and the movie too.
>>14084069
>It wasn't perfect
Not even close to average.
>it was overall a good season
>shit writing
>shit characters
>characted development assasination
>devices everywhere
>exposition galore
>retarded shipping everywhere
It was overall a bad season.
>The movie was just fantastic though
Parody is GOAT.
Trailblazer is pure feces.
>>14085418
>Lyle jobbing to Ali while both suits are equally damaged is somehow a "win" for him
Nah dude.
>>14085682
>>14083743
Mermaid was surprisingly good, though.
What was the 00 drinking game?
>>14083724
>the worst gundam designs in the franchise's history
Not even CLOSE, baby!
>>14086024
But Wing exists.
>>14086033
>Wing designs
>bad
>>14086020
Every time Graham said shounen, every time Setsuna said Gundamu, every time Ali went GAO, crazy shit like that.
>>14086041
No, I'm saying that Wing Gundam is worse.
Wing ZeroCustomis goat
Am I the only one who thought Arche's toe-beamsabers were hilariously awesome?
>>14086056
Wing > Wing Zero
>>14086058
Nope, shit was fly as fuck.
>>14083909
He's American. Americans are special.
>>14084125
Me too. He earned it 100% too.
>>14083944
They could talk about how racist the native Europeans are for resisting the Islamic reconquista.
>>14083753
I am going to give you a pass on some of these dubious mentions. BUT:
>Cherudim
>Great design
pick one.
There is a reason why the RD of Cherudim is still available----and at a significant discount---despite being one of the earlier RD releases.
>Raphael is great.
Okay, at least you're not a lost cause.
>>14083790
THIS. They finally fixed the clusterfuck of boxes that was the Seraveee but leave us hanging.
>>14086072
Wing ver Ka is fucking terrible.
Don't tarnish this thread with that disgusting abomination.
>>14084132
>implying Garma and Dozle were evil.
The real question is why nobody shot Gihren sooner. Deikun was a madman and Degwin did nothing wrong by assassinating him.
What is the difference between Gjallarhorn, the A-Laws, and the Titans?
>>14086320
They were evil by acquiescence or complacency in following along with Zeon colony drops and mass murders. They both were in privileged positions of power within a dictatorial regime---and even related to the despots in charge.
Were they "nice" people with some personal virtues? Sure, but that does not absolve them from the evils they allowed to pass (and had the power---at least Dozle---to resist).
And I am, arguably, a Zeon fanboy.
>>14086181
>muh merchandising argument
I don't care. Cherduim is great.
>>14084698
Didn't he turn off all the Gagas?
>>14085418
I don't think the confined space was that advantageous to Ali, because it's not as simple as forcing a range fighter to melee. Arche is a bigass suit with a bigass sword that works really well when it can freely bob and swoop and dance around. Just standing there in a corridor limits the force it can put behind its swings because it can't just dart in some random direction then slam into you again. Lyle on the other hand has a smaller, slimmer suit and specializes in gun kata, so as long as he can sidestep that guillotine Ali's swinging around and keep peppering Arche from just out of reach, he'd eventually whittle him down.
Arios a best gundamu, fight me if you disagree.
>jet form
>fucking missile spam
>qt GM waifu
>boss shoulder pads
>orange trim
>wrecks innovades
>super soldier pilot
>>14086325
Horns' uniform is slightly more stylish
Thats about it
>>14086375
Not him, but Cherudim is the weakest Gundam design, unless you count the red/black/orange blobs that pass as the Gundam Thrones.
>>14086359
It's hard to go against family and Gihren would probably murder anyone who went against him. The colony drop, at least, originally had a military target and destroying Jaburo would have saved countless spacenoid lives. Garma was being groomed as a replacement for Gihren but wasn't ready to run things yet and Dozle supported him.
>muh privilege
Please don't be some dumblr faggot.
>>14086408
It also has four smaller beam sabers that require less room, especially if it can kick the enemy MS. Not saying you're wrong, but the sabers were a smarter option than the sword.
>>14086409
Correct. It's a damn shame Al fucking sucks without Hal.
>>14086411
Gjallarhorn is also relatively benign, compared to the cacklingly evil A-Laws and Titans, at least in S1 of IBO.
>>14086412
Ein was cool as fuck, and Zwei was visually confusing but neat. There is no excuse for Drei.
>>14086412
>weakest Gundam design
>Cherudim
I can only feel saddened by your lack of taste.
>>14086425
>Gjallarhorn is relatively benign
No.
>>14086424
AL isn't so bad, he has a damned fine waifu. The question is, are AL and Marie's alternate personalities also a couple?
>Dat angry Hal/Soma sex
>>14086434
Standards are low, but Gjallarhorn never fired on orbital cannon on civilians or gassed a colony. The worst they're guilty of is being somewhat corrupt and interfering with Earth politics.
>>14086409
I never really understood the point of Al on the team. Like, okay, Setsuna is the melee guy, Lockon is the sharpshooter, and Tieria is the artillery (with a rarely-used oversight mechanism). And then Al is... what? Every single Gundam can fly and float on pixie dust, so they can do aerial just fine. Speed doesn't seem much of a factor either, since whatever they can't chase down they can just snipe. He can do bombing or missile spam but they've already got a giant ass artillery.
If Setsuna is Duel, Lockon is Buster, and Tieria is some kind of Aegis/Buster hybrid, does that make Kyrios Strike? An all-rounder just in case?
>>14086465
He has midrange. Al himself is there because if he ever fucking bothers to work with Hal he become hands down the best pilot.
>>14086415
>It's hard to go against papa and onii-san---they are soooo scary--- so not doing anything in face of patent evil is OKAY.
Do you know what I meant by "privilege" or do you just get triggered into blind tumblr-phobia when you come across the word?
>>14086434
Not the anon you so eloquently replied to.
But the fact that you or anyone else likes Cherudim does not change the fact that it is considered the bottom-tier design in an already subpar pool of designs [S2 Gundams].
Has gravity weighed down your soul to such lows?
>>14086465
Exia=Pawn
Dynames=Knight
Virtue/Nadleeh=Rook/King
Kyrios= Bishop
The OG idea was that they are all chess pieces. This is alluded several times throughout the series.
Louise gave me my first anime PTSD.Muv-Luv showed me it was nothing.
>>14086593
Source: My Ass
00 is as bad as IBO. It's made for the same group of not-Gundam fans.
>>14086601
http://z11.invisionfree.com/gundam00/index.php?showtopic=623
http://foxs-tales.blogspot.com/2011/01/gundam-00-early-design-concept.html
>>14086359
>And I am, arguably, a Zeon fanboy.
Is this you?
>>14086612
Yup. U mad brochachini?
>>14086581
Appeal to popularity on some other anons sharing your opinion isn't representing anything other then subjectivity. Your claim holds no water.
>>14086593
>Virtue/Nadleeh=Rook/King
>Nadleeeh=Queen
ftfy
>>14086619
While not dispositive, it is persuasive; which is more than the Cherudim apologists can offer.
>>14086630
>it is persuasive
Its still an appeal to popularity. It is a fallacy for a reason, stay mad or whatever that other anons like it. You are a vocal minority.
>>14086630
>Cherduim apologists
>>14086465
He doesn't do anything immediately unique, true, but he's got the best speed, good saturation fire, and he's decent up close. Dynames/Arios is sort of the all-rounder that Exia/00 couldn't be due to its melee focus.
>>14086639
>cherudimfag calling anyone a vocal minority.
