>>14075107

I loved it despite knowing jackshit about the original, loved the Build Angels and the return of the original was badass and touching at the same time.

>I don't need one

>>14075121
DEAD OR ALIVE

>>14075107 (OP)
>Jeeg sequel
It's not a sequel.

It's a pseudo sequel. A standalone show that masks itself as a sequel but actually isn't one because of the various retcons.

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>>14075107
Watched it, enjoyed it, not much else to say.

>>14075258
I wish someone would scan some doujins of it.

>>14075107
What can you say about it?

It's a 1 cour series/12 eps which is mostly a enjoyable MotW with some good fun throwbacks to the original series and nice visual style there isn't much else substance to it other than Himika's tits and original Jeeg.

It also had budget problems which shows in the animation and also flopped like shit, one of the lowest ever selling animes I believe along with Dancouga Nova and has had virtually shit all other related stuff besides it's inclusion in SRW K and L.

>>14075107

Because it's not good. Not in the slightest.

>>14075275
>also flopped
I don't see how it's a flop when you consider the fact that it did its own thing and never tried to attract a new audience to begin with.

Flops only happen when you only get like a fraction of the expected return. For example, Fractale was a flop, because the director expected a lot more than selling just 900 copies.
This number would be fine for any other low budget anime. I don't think anyone expected anything from Shin Jeeg. It's not Mazinger.

Dynamic Pro has other ways of getting their return other than BD copies anyway. They're quite strong on the merchandising side of things.

>>14075485
You're talking out your ass.

>>14075107
Same reason no one ever talks about Jeeg. Or half the shows from the 70's. Nothing to discuss.

>>14075511
No you are.

What I said made perfect sense. Flops apply better to big budget works of entertainment, not some b movie rental and other low budget shit.

Kawagoe is still doing Go Nagai shit FYI. You'd think if Jeeg was such a big flop, they'd get a new director or something, but nope.

In fact, the Kawagoe + Hayakawa duo arose from Shin Jeeg.

God I wish I could magically remove disc sales arguments from /m/ permanently.

You really want to know Go Nagai's true flop? Look no further than the Devilman movie. The CGI work on that costed shit tons, and it was highly anticipated before release. When it came out, it flopped hard, both critically and commercially, causing it to be more hated than Dragonball Evolution in Japan.

Context is important. Otherwise you're just spouting meaningless words.

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Why is she so perfect?

>>14075526
>Or half the shows from the 70s

That at least can be blamed on no English subs

>>14075599

All 3 of the angels are

>>14075532
>>14075554
Now I know where all the delusional "Shin Mazinger didn't flop" bullshit steems from

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>>14075614
I still think that Luurah and Discotek will have those taken care of sooner or later.

>>14075485
The problem is that you have no idea what their expectations for Shin Jeeg is so what you're saying is a load of shit. All anime are expected to gain a profit one way or another and the fact that Shin Jeeg was released on six singles as oppose to boxsets to cut costs proves that they were expectations for it to sell or reach an audience beyond the people who are too old to be watching anime anyways and given how there's very little merchandise related to Shin Jeeg you can't hide behind the toy excuse either.
>>14075532
Wrong on both accounts, pretty much anything can flop unless investors love losing money.

Logic dictates that if Shin Jeeg were successful they would make more within that franchise which has nothing to do with the status of other DP franchises its just that only Kawagoe gives a shit about it or that he's the only director they can afford

>>14075548
You'd still have people screaming THIS WAS A FLOP and NO IT WASN'T except they wouldn't quote Japanese websites when asked for proof. Like so>>14075640

/m/'s major distinction for calling something a flop is primarily "I don't like this", everything else comes a distant second. Ditto for calling something a success.

>>14075548
People aren't stupid, they know what is considered successful and what is not. The problem occurs when DPfags get asspained when people point out their show flopped and they have to make up imaginary rules/exceptions for them without proving where they came from.

>>14075671
Did Mazinger do well?

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>>14075711
Well enough to consider Shin at least, unless that was planned shortly after the original Mazinger. How well that did remains to be seen, but in the meantime they did grab the old Gaiking (knock on wood), so Toei robot shows are clearly in their sights.

>>14075107
It was pretty good. I felt like the story was a little forced, but the action and cast were great. Shame about the CG though.

Praying DP hasn't given up on the OVA format for good, I need more Getter Robo in my life.

>>14075756
They haven't said anything about Gaiking since they got it years ago, have they?

>>14075653
>tfw the Evolution Toy robot figures suck

>>14075793
>Praying DP hasn't given up on the OVA format for good, I need more Getter Robo in my life.

Why?

>>14075708
It seems like people on both sides pull numbers out of their ass, especially when things like these don't matter at all

Go Nagai is not a man that does sequels often. Even if he gets money back on what he does, he has creator ADD and just does what he wants regardless. It seems the same way with the rest of DP ever since Ishikawa died. The only reason I can imagine that Nagai even bothered doing Great Mazinger and Grendizer is because he enjoyed working on Mazinger, and even then, the sequels feature mostly original casts.

I agree with the guy that said that there probably weren't high expectations for Kotetsushin Jeeg in the first place, but then from a business standpoint, why would DP approve it at all? Because they don't give a shit; they're doing it for fun at this point, and because some people somwhere out there, no matter how few, get a kick out of it. Sales are irrelevant to anything but DP's timetable.

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>>14075107
Queen Himika was always the cutest Jeeg lady.

>>14075805
That was last year.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-07-26/discotek-adds-1976-gaiking-wicked-city-anime/.90910
Still, their stuff does come out eventually, like the Monster Farm set that got delayed.

>>14075825
>ever since Ishikawa died
Fuck does that have to do with anything?

>>14075107
>those tits
>that blushed look she has on her face
unng

>>14075951
The show is worth watching just to see her being lewd with her tongue

>>14075951
unng?

>>14076051
Who do we give thanks to for the creation of Himika? Nagai or that other dude?

>>14075708
>People aren't stupid
Dude, we are on 4chan. Of course people are stupid.

> they know what is considered successful and what is not
No they really don't. People take a bunch of asterisks from Japanese sites that they don't really understand and then claim they know everything. And don't give me this "DPfag" shit, I'm neutral in this battle. All sales arguments on /m/, and frankly 4chan as a whole are bullshit. Not one of these arguments take into Japan's population size, the average standard of living in Japan, the stability of the Yen, the budget of the show, the current averages of the Disc market, the effect of the digital age on disc sales, Amazon Sales vs Brick and Mortar sales, and any number of economic issues. I've seen thousands of sales for a harem show claimed as a victory, and the exact same number of sales for a mecha show claimed as a flop. Every fucking person on 4chan has "imaginary rules/exceptions" and nobody has any proof. And in many cases the proof doesn't exist as these companies don't disclose their sales.

No body knows jack shit about Japanese disc sales on /m/ and most likely no one on 4chan itself knows jack shit about Japanese disc sales. Unless some mysterious Japanese expert who has access to data that isn't released on the internet decides to grace this thread, I'm just going to assume people are pulling numbers out of their ass, or badly interpreting data from unreliable sites that aren't saying what we stupid gaijin on 4chan think they are saying.

>>14075700
This is true.

>>14075817
because it's cool

>>14076166
It's not though

>>14075708
>they know what is considered successful and what is not
No you fucking don't.

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>>14075107
Because there's no porn.

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>>14076313

There's a little but. But you might not like it.

>>14076325
The pic of satome raping Kenji is both crappy and perfect.

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>>14076313
What's the source? I need it for special reasons

>>14076313
http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?word=%E3%82%B8%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B0&r18=1

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>>14076473
>draw a muscle man
>draw two circles taped to his chest and give him little hair accessories
>call it a woman

You think the lizard bra dude enjoys his job?

Or is it one of those Flintstones "It's a living" situations?

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>>14076529
Who knows if it's actually alive or if she's just moving it with telekinesis or something.

>>14076529

he's just a working stiff

>>14076260
Yes we fucking do
>>14076104
Then where the fuck is your source that shows that these shows are doing well for DP? Home video sales are an easy measure because any retard can tell you that anything below 1000 units sold is not good but toy sales are impossible because no data gets released for them and people usually are just talking out their asses. The only success property DP has dished out in recent years is Robot Girls Z and that is actually backed by hard data.

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>>14076853
>he's just a working stiff

>>14075698
>given how there's very little merchandise related to Shin Jeeg
They get their return from more than just Jeeg.

>Shin Jeeg were successful they would make more within that franchise
We have a new Jeeg manga ongoing.

Also it doesn't work that way. By the way, I never said it was successful. I don't know, but you're the one claiming it was a flop even without knowing their expectations.

The problem here is that you're putting the anime out as its own IP. The Nagai IP series all go together. People who watch Jeeg are most likely to watch Mazinger.

It's really meaningless to look at this as its own thing especially when DP had the Abashiri Family movie, Shin Mazinger, Mazinkaiser SKL, Dororon Enma-kun just after.

DP had manga like Shin Mazinger ZERO and Nagai's own manga series running at the time.

Like I said, DP has their own way of getting whatever return they need. Simply looking at bd sales and concluding that it's a flop is frankly stupid.

>>14076912
>that these shows are doing well for DP

>because any retard can tell you that anything below 1000 units
You're crazy. Dynamic Pro anime consistently averaged 1000 copies for a few years, and guess what, they're still in business. Like I said, there's so many things going on, that neither me or you are aware of.

>>14075708
>they have to make up imaginary rules/exceptions
You're the one making the claims.

>>14075825
You're absolutely right. This talk of flopping is pretty irrelevant when it comes to DP.

Do these people even realize that DP had more than 10 Kekkou Kamen movies out despite all of them being horribly cheesy and bad? They even had gorgeous porn actresses to star in it.

I think they didn't get much return on those, but they most likely didn't give a fuck considering some dude probably only spent a weekend filming one of those.

That's how I feel about Shin Jeeg and Mazinkaiser SKL. It was a fun creative endeavour for the staff. They did it, had fun, and moved on to something else.

>>14076940
>They get their return from more than just Jeeg.
Now I know you're lying. Shin Jeeg has literally no fucking merchandise to call for its own even recent revivals like Enma kun Meramera had its own line of merchandise of its own.

>new manga
Who gives a shit? It has nothing to do with Shin Jeeg and is coming 9 years after the anime finished.
>I don't know, but you're the one claiming it was a flop even without knowing their expectations.
Its a flop because I'm looking at hard numbers that says its one period. I'm waiting for you to give a source that says Shin Jeeg didn't flop despite its bad DVD sales and it having no merchandise to support itself.
>The Nagai IP series all go together. People who watch Jeeg are most likely to watch Mazinger.

They don't, that's stupid. There's nothing that states people who liked one Nagai property will like another one nor do their revenues stack up amongst each other, Shin Mazinger sold a shit ton more than Shin Jeeg and Enma-kun anyways.

Manga has different priorities than anine, just because a property gets a manga doesn't mean much of anything. Shin Mazinger was initially just a promotion for the anime but grew into its own thing which is why it was extended, Devilman G was part of an anniversary celebration and the Dino Getter manga was just promotion for the toyline. Nagai can get these projects running because he owns them and is very influential across the manga industry moreso than the anime one

>>14076975
>Shin Jeeg has literally no fucking merchandise to call for its own
I never said the merchandising had to come from Jeeg.

>Who gives a shit?
You? You're the one whining about no new Jeeg. I present to you new Jeeg material and you whine.

>There's nothing that states people who liked one Nagai property will like another one
The audiences? Like me?

>just because a property gets a manga doesn't mean much of anything.
My point is that DP has other ways of getting their return.

>it's a flop because I'm looking at hard numbers that says its one period
Again, it shows you're dumb and know nothing about the industry. There are other factors that you cannot take into consideration because that data is not available to us. Judging it simply on BD sales is frankly retarded.

Please go read this before you spout bollocks. DP is a very special case.

http://www.someanithing.com/sales-faqguide

"Budgets also vary. Animation is not the only cost. You would expect a Hollywood blockbuster or “AAA” game release to set much higher sales targets than independent or niche films or games. Anime is no different – the marketing budget alone for Shingeki or Madoka likely dwarfs the entire production cost of shorts like Teekyuu or Morita-san.

There is also no assumption that video sales alone will recoup the entire budget. This is not remotely true for the vast majority of series. Even 10k sellers may well not recoup all costs through video sales. This makes the concept of “break even” problematic."

>>14076944
>You're crazy. Dynamic Pro anime consistently averaged 1000 copies for a few years,
>Koutetsushin Jeeg 516
>Mazinger SKL 341
>Enma kun 898

About the only two properties that averaged over 1000 units in recent years are Shin Mazinger (2.5k) and Robot Girls (2k)

>>14076994
And Mazinger movies BD (1000 copies sold)

And Cyborg 009 vs Devilman (same as Mazinger)

>>14076987
Uh...I was arguing that SHIN Jeeg has no merchandise of its own, you presenting me a manga that has nothing to do with SHIN Jeeg doesn't prove anything

Your ass. Gotcha

Yes hence merchandise, reason why Robot Girls was so successful. Now where is SHIN Jeeg's merchandise to sustain itself?

That guide says nothing about DP being a special case, if the home video sales flop then it flops unless you got numbers from merchandise and what not then you are just wasting everyone's time.

>>14077012
>SHIN Jeeg has no merchandise of its own
And I'm saying it's not relevant.

>if the home video sales flop then it flops unless you got numbers from merchandise
God you're dumb. It's not only merchandise. It's EVERYTHING.

We don't have data on how much these production committees spent on the advertising or anything else.

BD sales and merchandising aren't the only deciding factors. Prove to me with a source that Jeeg failed to meet expectations. You're just speculating at this point.

>you are just wasting everyone's time.
You're the one here making the claims here.

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>>14077012
>SHIN Jeeg has no merchandise of its own

It had probably one of the quickest SoC releases ever and various Dynamite Action figures.

>>14077039
http://myfigurecollection.net/search.php?origin_strict=1&origin_id=15718

Lets see...excluding the two garage kit, the Koutetsu line itself and the Koutetsushin figure that was limited to 100 pieces ypu have only 4 pieces of merchandise for SHIN JEEG half of which including your pic are exclusives. That is pathetic.

>>14077039
That was cancelled
>>14077019
When you're posting an example that came 9 years after the anime and has nothing to do with it, it is.

Okay then wheres your data? You're saying something so retarded I would love to see how you get yourself out of it. What were Shin Jeeg's expectations to begin with?

>>14077049
Way to move the goalpost.

>>14077059
it wasn't

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=TOY-RBT-2514&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_keywords%3Djeeg%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D1

http://item.rakuten.co.jp/digitamin/nm77/?s-id=Sblog_PC_diaryDetail_bodytext_digitamin

>>14077059
>What were Shin Jeeg's expectations to begin with?
That question belongs to you, because it's you who's saying it didn't meet the expectations.

That's what flop means.

>>14077012
>Now where is SHIN Jeeg's merchandise to sustain itself?
does it count that Jeeg is getting a SRC soon?

>>14077090
Yes...JEEG not Koutetsushin JEEG

>>14077074
Way to not prove a point
>>14077089
Actually it belongs to you since the beginning of the argument you kept making that same claim with nothing to back it up.

Still waiting

>>14077094
But that will eventually come to though.

>>14077098
>Actually it belongs to you since the beginning of the argument you kept making that same claim with nothing to back it up.
You said it flopped.

Not me.

Reminder Shin Mazinger sold 2,367
Source: http://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view
We're not counting western release or EU releases

>>14076529
Since her three generals are essentially her harem, most likely.

>>14076103
You mean Tatsuya Yasuda? It probably is him, yeah.

>sets arbitrary sales figure to justify something being a flop or not
>when told that that isn't the be-all-end-all for a flop gets mad and pushes burden of proof around like a hot potato
>doesn't believe that different companies of different sizes have different overheads and costs so different sales numbers would constitute differing amounts of profits
Never change, 4chin

>>14077102
>NO U
I'll take that as a concession
>>14077125
>arbitrary sales figure
Because when has under 2k never been considered a flop
>when told that that isn't the be-all-end-all for a flop gets mad and pushes burden of proof around like a hot potato
This is usually backed up by you providing evidence now.
>doesn't believe that different companies of different sizes have different overheads and costs so different sales numbers would constitute differing amounts of profits
So what are the expectations and profit margins of these companies then?

>>14076473
>>14076477
Why Ryoma and Hayato have fake boobs strapped to their chests? And why is Benkei replaced by a girl?

>>14077162
Those gals are actually based on different Nagai characters. Yagyu is almost a direct transplant of the main character of Harenchi Manyuuki (which did get an erotic adaptation), while Mido and Monko are girl versions of Tatsuma Mido and Mondo Saotome from the Guerilla High/Gakuen Taikutsu Otoko manga.

>>14077152
You're embarrassing. Please stop.

>>14077152
Holy shit, that potato's fricking hot. Don't toss it over here!

>>14075107
Stormbringer is the greatest anime song

>>14076957
Are any of the Kekkou Kamen movies subbed?

>>14078088
The fourth to seventh movies came out under Media Blasters' Tokyo Shock label, so I'd say yes.

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Here's some Jeeg manga by Tatsuya Yasuda. Go Nagai actually never drew in this one.

I figured out that none of you have ever seen it.

>>14079363
Too bad everyone that guy draws looks ugly as fuck.

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>>14075599

BACK OFF SHE'S MINE

I approve of the direction this thread has taken.

Himika cute