Now that a few years have passed what do you guys think of Rebuild of Evangelion 3.33?
When I first saw this movie I was so frustrated and hated it because of the typical
reasons that most people seem to hate it for including how pessimistic it was. I rewatched it for the first time since I saw it when it came out and I feel like I was wrong about everything. I really enjoyed it and most of my issues weren't actually a problem when I thought about it after the fact. Especially once I realized it was just a greek tragedy and retelling of Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water. I really respect and appreciate the fact that this movie doesn't make the character motivations and plot obvious and it doesn't spell everything out. I could probably write walls of text about it now, but what do you guys think of it?
What do you think is going to happen in Rebuild of Evangelion final? I have on doubt Shinji will actually gain the will to live again. Kowaru stabbing Unit 13 was a parellel to Nadia trying to kill herself at the end of Nadia, and Jean gives her one of the most hopeful lines, telling her to live because she always has a tomorrow. (Or something, my memory is shit.) This is probably what I'm looking foward to the most anywyas, that and how Rei will develop more.
shit pasta
>>14073192
Please stop shitposting I'm trying to have a real conversation.
Please don't make me go to eva geeks.
It's pretty bad. The entire last half of the movie could have been avoided had everyone just sat Shinji down and explained to him what he did and what's going on before slapping him around. The only reason he played right into Nerv's hands was because he thought the Rei was -his- Rei and was tired of everyone ignoring him.
What happened to EVA4? Did 3 kill the enthusiasm for everything?
>>14073129
I just watched it for the first time a few months ago. Its shit, omg is it shit. The biggest thing is the ending. They are in the EXACT same situation they started the movie in, except they are down 2 evas, and seele's dead to i guess. Most of the "bad" things that happened in the movie could have been avoided if people just explained what in the fuck was going on, ins tad of being all like "Fuck you and all you stand for shinji.". Also the whole "curse of the eva" thing sounded like total bullshit puled directly out of an smelly asshole. It sounds like an excuse not to change charecter designs, or have a very interesting character development/dynamic. FUCK TIGER EVA! Why is that a thing!? Who decided that needed to be a thing!? Its fucking dumb. Also fuck mari, or mauri, whatever the hell pink girls name is. In 2 they played her off as some sort of secrete weapon, or wild card or somthing. Her whole "I can force berzerk mode" thing was really cool,but no, shes just the fucking sassy side kick. Also also, Auska self destructing unit 02 was so drastically out of character and ridiculous. How fucking hard did how highy she saw herself as a piolet, How many times has she said she'd die before she sacrificed unit2. I guess you could argue "oh, well shes more mature because shes older". BUT THEN WHATS THE FUCKING POINT OF THE ANTI AGEING EVA BULLSHIT!?!?!? On top of all the conflicting info in this movie about the "rebuilds really a sequal to Eoe", that was previously supported by 1 and 2. Fuck this movie.
>>14073129
Schlock. It simultaneously changed everything and nothing. The setting is different and Alien, and everyone openly hates Shinji while flying in their giant living ship, but we see that for twenty minutes, from the inside of a detention center while everyone shits on Shinji without trying to get him up to speed. Then we retread the Kawaru episodes for the middle of the movie, see Gendo's rad shades, and the movie ends.
It feels like they had a movie and a half's worth of material for 3 and 4 and they decided to give half a movie instead of elaborate more on this one. I HOPE that this was just setup for 4, I really do. I'll watch whatever shitty camrip bootleg with /a/ subtitles the day it comes out, but man do I see this going all wrong.
How can they even end this properly? Since Eva came out, there has been half a dozen 'eva done better' shows that have ranged from surprise happy ending to surprise everyone dies ending.
>>14073824
>>14073404
OP here. I was bothered by that a lot but on my second viewing it didn't bother me as much. I can't stress enough that I was as frustrated as you are right now too. (Except I loved the Tiger Unit 02.)
>They are in the EXACT same situation they started the movie in, except they are down 2 evas,
You're totally wrong though. The characters aren't have changed since the beginning of this movie. The main trio has been reunited. Shinji and Rei were with Nerv instead of Wille. Rei even realized she doesn't have to take orders and that she is her own person. Or at least she's starting to learn. Shinji doesn't have his choke collar on. Shinji lost the will to live, and Asuka is actually trying to help him in her own asshole way. They've essentially forgiven him for causing the Near Third Impact even if it was not his fault.
The reason they didn't tell Shinji what was going on is because he didn't need to know. This was a military organization. But it's essentially a somewhat incompetant rag tag group of pirates which includes civillians trying to play a military role. Misato had to be a professional. Plus Misato is from Nerv. Gendo never told anybody what was really going on and he would have been template for a leader. Kowaru talks about how the Lilin blame Shinji for causing the third impact. Shinji says it's not his fault, but Kowaru says the Lilin believe it anyways. The Writers are aware how unfair its. They fear him. People in Evangelion were always fucked up and horrible at communicating, I'm not sure why I expected them to be able to communicate well now. Especially since they were so hung up on Shinji you know, causing an impact. Misato's character and everyone being dicks is basically because Misato's character this movie is based on Captain Nemo too.
I hate the ageless thing but it didn't bother me on a second viewing, the same for Mari. She's more just like a backup pilot.
>>14073129
>implying 3.33 has the narrative propulsion to be a Greek tragedy
nigga go read aristotle's poetics before spouting shit like that
>>14073858
>Schlock. It simultaneously changed everything and nothing.
That's what I mean when I say Anno was going for a Greek Tragedy.
Tragedies were based on well known myths, so everybody knew what was going to happen but the point was that the current version would be a twist on a myth. (From my understanding...just a lowly NEET here.)
If you liked it or if it was shit or not is another story though.
I think watching Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water and really enjoying it is why 3.33 has grown on me too. It just has all the story beats. Even if Final is shit it will be fun to see the reaction on /a/.
>>14073129
I dunno. I haven't seen it yet. BUT I'm sure it's fucking amazing and I really look forward to it. If it pissed off the fandom much it HAS to be Anno's masterwork. He must have finally done what he tried to do with End of Evangelion except this time it didn't go over the heads of the thick otaku audience. Ol' Anno's trolling finally working makes me smile.
Though, for the sake of Anno's mental health and well being (and because let's face it, Anno's probably been getting more death threats these days with the ease of them internets), I hope we never get 4.0 and it just ends here. We heard the congratulations ages ago. The story was already long over. Just let Eva die.
>>14073129
>Now that a few years have passed what do you guys think of Rebuild of Evangelion 3.33?
It's the worst Evangelion movie I've seen and it's a bad film in it's own right. It's also the worst thing to happen to the Evangelion franchise.
It's characters, it's story, it's very message all have elements of self-contradiction and lack of realism, and the message and points it makes are purely designed to cater to superficial members of the audience.
Your interpretation and defense of the movie is downright wrong, since it's deliberately ignorant of the movie itself and the facts around it.
You've completely misunderstood the characters as well.
>>14073991
>Your interpretation and defense of the movie is downright wrong, since it's deliberately ignorant of the movie itself and the facts around it.
>>14073991
>You've completely misunderstood the characters as well.
Care to elaborate? I'm open to being wrong. It's an anime not the bible for fuck's sakes.
>>14073997
I said "interpretation", but that was really just me not trying to pin you as an absolute idiot.
What you have can barely be called interpretation, they are more like associative defensive arguments in favor of 3.33.
Meaning, "It's like x or y, so it must be good".
The point is that you're not seeing the forest for the trees, which is that the lack of motivation in it's characters, the lack of detail of it's plot, and lack of detail in everything except specific otaku-pandering comments is a result of the movie being a base otaku flick. Not some secret plot to create mystery or movement to conceal a plot twist.
In other words, yes it really is that bad.
3.33 is garbage, and doesn't feature a story or well-made characters because it's only goal save for making money is to popularize or depopularize existing Evangelion characters.
>>14074029
So you can't even explain your own opinions so you have to resort to insulting me and railing off buzzwords?
I never even said the movie was good. I said I enjoyed it on a second viewing.
>>14073975
Do it and be sure to make a thread about it here to make everybody mad again.
>>14074062
It's not a buzzword and you deserve a few insults or two for having the mind of a toddler.
Putting that aside, my point should be clear enough. You're treating the fact that it has obvious plot holes and missing characterization as a plus, when it's a factor that cripples the movie and sinks any credibility it has.
With characters and plot developments that aren't just unrealistic but also uncharacteristic, nothing in it can be taken seriously for even a second, not even the impending sense of fear or risk.
The movie shows that it's not unwilling to unrealistically turn the world upside down to get somewhere, meaning it's progression and conclusion can also simply be written in out of nowhere. It spoils the entire movie rather early on.
It's known as "jumping the shark".
So while it does have references to Nadia and numerous other works of fiction, it's not something that saves it from being the mess that it is.
i did not like it
it wasn't a well-made movie
the whole ending would've been avoided if kaworu just chucked bombcollar off one of the many bottomless pits they seem to have at NERV HQ
>>14073919
>The main trio has been reunited. Shinji and Rei were with Nerv instead of Wille. Rei even realized she doesn't have to take orders and that she is her own person.
Yeah, you didn't get it, and worst of all you didn't get the original characters, or even the 2.22 ones.
The "trio" isn't reunited because Rei there is a clone, not Rei herself who is stuck in EVA01 or somesuch. Whatever you thought Rei "learned" can't exactly be applied to Rei, who even from NGE or 2.22 had already understood that she doesn't have to take orders.
Asuka isn't "asuka" but an otaku-fanboy version of the character, and Shinji is just a farce.
You're too unintelligent for this film.
>>14073129
its a terrible movie and for the mental health of everyone, they should just can the fucking project to never be heard of again
>>14074107
I was referring to Rei Q only. I enjoyed seeing that despite the fact she wasn't the original Rei and despite the fact that Rei originally went through similar character development It gives me hope that maybe Rei Q can be a real friend instead of an impossible ideal he keeps chasing after like the original Reis.
>Asuka isn't "asuka" but an otaku-fanboy version of the character, and Shinji is just a farce.
Why do you think this though?
>You're too unintelligent for this film.
You're too bitter to talk to humans about something as trivial as a korean cartoon.
>>14073129
I want to know what happened to Angel 11 and Unit 07, closest thing to a complaint I have is Armisael getting to little screen time.
>>14074148
>I was referring to Rei Q only.
Then they aren't reunited. Literally the first time they're within ten meters of each other at the same time.
>I enjoyed seeing that despite the fact she wasn't the original Rei and despite the fact that Rei originally went through similar character development
>It gives me hope that maybe Rei Q can be a real friend instead of an impossible ideal he keeps chasing after like the original Reis.
What on earth are you talking about? Are you possibly high on something, or just this mindnumbingly stupid?
Take just five minutes and do a mental cleanup of the trash you call your own brains before you respond.
>Why do you think this though?
Because Asuka lacks character, characterization, development, and is a stupidly overpowered version of previous iterations of the character. Like taken straight out of a fanfic.
A lot of the 3.33 characters are like this.
Shinji is a farce because his development is also non-existing within the movie and any real choice is denied the character, and the character uncharacteristically remains ignorant and unseeking of what's going on, in the same way that the other character uncharacteristically deny him the knowledge he needs.
The whole thing is a joke, a farce if you will.
>You're too bitter to talk to humans about something as trivial as a korean cartoon.
>something as trivial as a korean cartoon.
Hence my bitterness. The triviality of it, and your complete inability to at all process it at an intelligent level I'd expect of a normal human being wishing to discuss it.
Either shape up or get the hell out.
>>14074174
Really? You can't stop insulting me? Yeah I smoke a little meth from time to time but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy Evongelion.
>Because Asuka lacks character, characterization, development, and is a stupidly overpowered version of previous iterations of the character. Like taken straight out of a fanfic.
How is she overpowered? She has to abandon and self destruct Unit 2. Her eye is gouged out from a battle. She doesn't even really win against Shinji.
It's not like they can cram 26 episodes worth of character into 3 movies too.
>Shinji is a farce because his development is also non-existing within the movie and any real choice is denied the character, and the character uncharacteristically remains ignorant and unseeking of what's going on, in the same way that the other character uncharacteristically deny him the knowledge he needs.
Why is Shinji's development non existing? We see him develop throughout the entire movie. It's not unrealistic for somebody as desperate for redemption as Shinji to fall so easily for Kowaru's ideas. It's not unrealistic for a military organization to withhold information from somebody in protective custody.
>>14074174
>Hence my bitterness. The triviality of it, and your complete inability to at all process it at an intelligent level I'd expect of a normal human being wishing to discuss it.
Why are you so angry though?
>>14074191
how the fuck can you enjoy the worst piece of shit ever spawned by evangelion? 3.33 stands against everything that series was
>>14074199
It's not like the series was anything much to begin with.
>>14074191
>Really? You can't stop insulting me?
Because your replies is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who reads them. Try to do better, for everyone's sake and especially your own.
>How is she overpowered?
Two points of comparisons. The first one in NGE is easy, she's a wreck and a failure of a human being. NGE was fairly brutal.
In Rebuild, her last known status was in a near comatuse state, being damaged after an incident.
Now in 3.33, this character has no flaws except "mild flaws" that aren't highly marketable to otaku. The "tsundere" archetype of harmless and cute initialized anger, always in conjunction with a young male self-insert.
A new EVA, a space mission, tons of new redesigns that by the end of the movie only adds up to marketable products. No character, no development.
>Why is Shinji's development non existing? We see him develop throughout the entire movie.
We don't. We only see a character being subjected to shock after shock, and this isn't character development. Character development details the change in a characters person, it's not just showing reactions to shock.
It's something deep within the character.
These shocks and the character is farcical.
>It's not unrealistic for somebody as desperate for redemption as Shinji to fall so easily for Kowaru's ideas.
Shinji's desperation is artificial, and it's frankly out of character for Shinji to not be investigative given the two previous movies, where he often finds himself asking what is going on. It doesn't fit with previous movies, and it's unrealistic in this movie because the need to know is greater.
>It's not unrealistic for a military organization to withhold information from somebody in protective custody.
It's unrealistic, and that is established within the movie itself. They have an established need and motivation to keep Shinji safe, calm and informed, yet do the opposite for no reason.
The same is true for Kaworu, who explains virtually nothing.
>>14074199
I just don't think critically when I watch anything anymore. There was so much other stuff going on in 3.33 like the visuals, the cinematography (if that's the riight word for animation, the mechanical designs, the world and the music. I even liked the kitty Unit 2 which apparently everybody hated too.
I thought it was stupid how nobody told Shinji anything, and how everyone was a total dick to him, but then I watched it expecting that so this time it didn't bother me and I could focus on everything I enjoyed and I was actively trying to see it from the character's perspectives to try to understand their emotions.
>>14074218
>Because your replies is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who reads them. Try to do better, for everyone's sake and especially your own.
YES KEEP YELLING AT ME AND HATING ME THAT SURE WORKED WELL FOR SHINJU
To be honest I just love this movie because it makes everybody angry.
>>14074235
I didn't even use caps lock, calm down kiddo.
Bottom line is that the movie was really bad for reasons that are very easy to discern.
>>14074247
Is it wrong to enjoy shit?
>>14074261
Wrong or right, you're apparently pretending you're not enjoying shit. That's what wrong here.
3.33, ten years from now or twenty, put in a different light or spiked with glitter, will still be shit. People who like it, are metaphorically speaking still, shit-eaters.
>>14074267
/thread
now imagine how terribad the next movie will be
>>14074267
I dunno can't it just be piss?
Piss is harmless, you can even drink it. But shit will kill you.
>>14074288
Arguably, 3.33 has some piss in it in addition to the shit.
However, there is clearly disease in that piss that will give you something nasty provided you survive the septic infection.
>>14074297
What if you're a bug chaser?
>>14074303
>What if you're a bug chaser?
You've probably got a Kaworu-plushie hanging from your rear mirror.
>>14074303
>eva fans are gifting the rest of the mecha community
makes sense
>>14073919
Everyone is bad at comunitcating in eva, but very realy do they just fucking flat out ignore people. Shinji was their best/arguable most successful piolt, why would they just tell him to go shove it? I can understand if people just decided they were just fucking done with shinji, or if they told him everything at the end after they had "forgiven him". But it flat out shows misato still has some semblace of feeling for shinji CAUSE SHE DIDNT KILL HIM AT THE VERY START OF THE MOVIE WHEN SHIT WENT DOWN! There are many diffrent ways this movie could have made sense, but it seems like as soon as the writers figured them out, they went all "lol fuck that" then proceeded to make a U turn into retard land.
>>14074398
It all makes sense when you understand what the movie is trying to do.
Misato, Ritsuko and Asuka all give Shinji such a hard time because they're supposed to punish him for having tried to save Rei earlier. So the third impact having actually happened in the meantime, the destruction of it all plus everyone kicking Shinji around is the movie's way of saying the audience shouldn't be fans of Rei or care about the character. Otherwise, bam, you get to be like Shinji, hated by everyone.
Anno is a small man whose fanboy and otaku-ways made him upset because Rei was more than twice as popular as Asuka was in Eva's heyday. This movie is his "revenge", so to speak. The characters don't matters other as examples.
>>14074426
THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE MOVIE IS BAD, POORLY-WRITTEN PIECE OF SHIT
>>14074473
Obviously not, it makes it even worse.
It's now just not only a bad, poorly-written piece of shit, it's now the deranged butthurt of an old petty otaku.
>>14074398
14 years had passed between them. 14 years of dealing with the literal end of the world that they blamed on Shinji. That's 14 years of pent up resentment. It was shown by the reaction of the entire crew of the bridge when Shinji walked in, and Asuka's rage and Misato's distance.
I think the fact Misato hesitated means she also understood she fucked up. The ironic thing about it is that she choose Shinji's life over potentially everybody else's on earth. That was what Asuka. was berating Shinji for at the end of 2.0 by saving Rei.That dramatic irony can't be unintentional, so I'm willing to give the writers some credit. However we will have to wait till the Final to see if it actually amounts to anything.
It's pretty mediocre. Rei's character sort of gets thrown out the window and Kaworu is pretty underwhelming. Hardly any maya screentime since she got replaced by some slut too
Cool robots though.
>>14074505
>14 years had passed between them. 14 years of dealing with the literal end of the world that they blamed on Shinji. That's 14 years of pent up resentment. It was shown by the reaction of the entire crew of the bridge when Shinji walked in, and Asuka's rage and Misato's distance.
So what we're missing is a reason for resentment, and we're missing motivation to act on said unreasonable resentment. The resentment has no reason to exist whatsoever given what we're presented.
It has an explicit reason to not exist because Misato et al. needs Shinji in a calm state, having made it clear that his emotional outbursts might endanger them.
If you're going to address this post at all, address that last bit.
>That was what Asuka. was berating Shinji for at the end of 2.0 by saving Rei.
You mean in 3.33, and Asuka is only doing it for non-character reasons.
There's also a huge difference between putting the world at risk knowingly vs giving it your all like Shinji did in 2.0.
>That dramatic irony can't be unintentional, so I'm willing to give the writers some credit.
Then you're an idiot. No way to sugarcoat it.
>However we will have to wait till the Final to see if it actually amounts to anything.
We don't have to wait. It's shit now, today. Final is going to be a worse movie than it had to be due to 3.33's nonsense.
Blaming Shinji never made any sense in the first place because the impact was stopped and resumed by Selee later, and nobody ever wants to explain that plothole because you literally can't.
>>14074527
It's because Anno decided to go full Otaku and basically bash Rei into oblivion and making an example out of Shinji for having tried to save Rei.
That sort of approach to writing generates a lot of plot holes.
>>14074516
>It has an explicit reason to not exist because Misato et al. needs Shinji in a calm state, having made it clear that his emotional outbursts might endanger them.
They believe Shinji was the key to the Near Third Impact. It wasn't really his fault, but they could be projecting their frustrations with themselves or misdirecting all their anger at him specifically even though it's not logical.
I think they thought they were safe as long as Shinji wasn't actually in the robot. It as if the more he knew was going on the more he would act on heroic "super robot/superhero" impulses. When the fighting starts we see him strongly desire to get in the robot and save Asuka. It's very important to remember that Unit 01 awoke at the beginning of the film when Asuka was in danger.
>>14074516
but imagine all the threads. imagine all the shitposting. it will be beautiful.
>>14074533
Is it even that cynical? Rei is at peace now wherever Yui is always looking over Shinji in the Eva Unit.
>>14074547
>They believe Shinji was the key to the Near Third Impact. It wasn't really his fault, but they could be projecting their frustrations with themselves or misdirecting all their anger at him specifically even though it's not logical.
>I think they thought they were safe as long as Shinji wasn't actually in the robot. It as if the more he knew was going on the more he would act on heroic "super robot/superhero" impulses. When the fighting starts we see him strongly desire to get in the robot and save Asuka. It's very important to remember that Unit 01 awoke at the beginning of the film when Asuka was in danger.
if they thought Shinji was so dangerous why didn't they just kill him?
>>14073129
You know, what gets me the most about this movie is something I've never actually seen /m/ talk about.
The fact that Anti-AT Field Bullets are a thing.
How the FUCK is there even a plot once that technology has been developed? The entire premise of Evangelion breaks down at the exact point where you can just shoot an Angel with a fucking gun. No more jumping through hoops, no more producing EVA units, no more exploiting fucked-up kids, you have bullets that go straight through an AT Field. Load them in a cannon and point them at the Angel's big red obvious weak spot. Congrats, it's dead, now let's all line up and have a big goddamn orgy to repopulate humanity.
Sure, you could say that they're too scarce for widespread use or something, but it doesn't matter, because at no point is this giant plot hole addressed or even glossed over. It's just a gaping wound in a plot that already looks like a block of Swiss cheese. Fuck.
>>14074547
>Is it even that cynical? Rei is at peace now wherever Yui is always looking over Shinji in the Eva Unit.
Yep, being derided by every other character as a puppet while Rei is left unable to do anything, in a place along with the character she is now a clone of (and thus, inferior to given what we've seen in Rebuild)....
Oh yeah, it's bad. Anno went all out on this one.
>>14074547
>They believe Shinji was the key to the Near Third Impact. It wasn't really his fault, but they could be projecting their frustrations with themselves or misdirecting all their anger at him specifically even though it's not logical.
In other words, there is no excuse whatsoever in the film, and even you can't make up one.
>I think they thought they were safe as long as Shinji wasn't actually in the robot.
There's no robot for him to get into, and since they fear him getting into one or starting some awakening-stuff, they put a bomb on his neck. Meaning, they do consider the possibility of him getting into one. Otherwise the collar wouldn't really be necessary.
You missed the most important point which I explictly asked you to address:
>It has an explicit reason to not exist because Misato et al. needs Shinji in a calm state, having made it clear that his emotional outbursts might endanger them.
So they know what causes these awakenings and what primes him for it. Emotional outbursts, right? So pissing him off, threatening him, frightening him or even alienating him isn't a good idea.
Ever watched Alien? The Weyland-Yutani-corp is soulless and without any morals whatsoever, but even they give Ripley nice treatment once she wakes up. Despite being horrid, horrid people.
>>14074551
>if they thought Shinji was so dangerous why didn't they just kill him?
I think they sincerely cared about him. Asuka is a dick in the end too, but she could have just left him in his giant tampon to rot. They're keeping that one kid alive despite his risk to everybody else he may potential kill. Making them hypocrites but also it helps lay a basis for them forgive Shinji for what they blame him for.
>>14074573
He's alive because of plot.
That and there are good reasons to not kill Shinji, interrogating the kid to find out what he saw at NERV is an absolute priority.
>>14074571
>Ever watched Alien? The Weyland-Yutani-corp is soulless and without any morals whatsoever, but even they give Ripley nice treatment once she wakes up. Despite being horrid, horrid people.
Hey you know what will probably make you hate me even more? I really liked Prometheus too. While I'm at it I liked Shin Kamen Rider, Digimon Adventure 02.
>>14074584
You lost me. Don't get what you're saying.
>>14074592
Everyone fucking hated this movie as much as 3.33 too.
>>14074584
Shin Kamen Rider wasn't even that fucking bad, why is it in the lineup
It's an okay extra feature on the Giant God Warrior Appears in Tokyo blu ray. Weird that some folks are just watching it on its own.
>>14074612
It's almost as bad as when Mini Pato came with that stupid monster movie
>>14074600
Not even close. Prometheus might be criticized for not being as smart as the critics had hoped, but it's no where near the level of distaste generated by 3.33.
Prometheus is fresh, even great compared to 3.33.
>>14073204
No you're not. Just screw off already holy crap.
>>14074426
>le textwall kun face
Oh no.
4.0 is going to throw out a huge plot twist and reveal that Shinji is some kind of seed of life like Rei and Kaworu.
The reason Wille and Kaworu haven't told him shit is because he's a fucking ayy and he can literally trigger an impact as long as he an emotional or psychotic episode while he's piloting an Adams-based eva unit. And that's exactly what happens in 3.0 and the end of 2.0.
Wille wants him to remain in the dark as much as possible in an effort to protect humanity, while Nerv does the same because they want to manipulate him as much as possible. Both organizations don't want to hand the power of the impacts over to him, even though it's truly his right to do so.
Meanwhile it's the exact same reason why NERV prioritized Shinji over Kaworu and Rei to the point of kidnapping him and making him pilot a no-soul eva like evangelion 13. Because he's the literal key to all of the impacts, how they function and how they turn out.
At this point I'm 90% certain that 4 Adams are just split-up remnants of Shinji's seed body after the events of second impact. Unit 01 was revealed to be an Adam, and so was Evangelion 13 and Mark 6, and guess what? Shinji piloted 2 of those and all of them were were triggers for the impacts in some fashion.
As for the Wunder, the Mark 04 series and the nemesis series, they're probably poor clones of the 4 Adams, with the latter two being piloted by dummyplugs that are probably based off of Shinji.
>>14075651
Even if this wasn't extremely dumb, it'd be pointless and inconsequential. The guy who wrote that probably lost his last remaining braincell in doing so.
>>14075651
Sad thing is that's probably a better plot than what we're actually going to get.
>>14075672
Actually the hints about Shinji being an ayy were there since the beginning of the first movie. In 1.0, we were already given cues about Gendo and Fuyutsuki brainwashing Shinji so that he's easier to control, about Gendo planning Shinji and Rei to meet 15 years before either of them were born so that it could trigger the false impact at the end of 2.0. Even Kaworu waking up on the moon at the tail end of the movie, saying that Shinji has finally "awakened" with Seele practically agreeing with him, saying that his awakening was foretold in the Dead Sea Scrolls to back this up.
Just the fact that Shinji would have some kind of impact episode and that was was already foretold in the Dead Sea Scrolls should've been a huge enough giveaway that he isn't human, but it still managed to fly over so many people's heads. And that's just some of the cues from the first movie. It becomes even more obvious in the second and third movies, with the DSS choker, his little berserk episode at the end of 2.0 and so on.
They planned all of this out. Not in excruciating detail, but they've followed a basic outline and they're sticking to it. Most of the fanbase was just either too preoccupied or too stupid to notice the details.
>>14073129
It's just as good/bad as everything else in the franchise.
>>14075713
>>14075651
Too stupid to notice the details? More that the details themselves are too stupid to be noticed. What you're spelling out here isn't revolutionary, interesting or even well thought out. It's a poor interpretation which adds nothing, and it's an interpretation most would look away from even if it's obvious.
Take it back to fanfiction.net.
>>14075735
>Too stupid to notice the details? More that the details themselves are too stupid to be noticed.
It's like you're delusional and believe that the original NGE didn't pull the same shit with its clusterfuck of a plot.
If anything I would say the mediocrity of the Rebuilds is due to the fact that Evangelion just doesn't work in a 1 hour and thirty minute movie format.
That and there's too much action bull shit, but even if they trimmed down on the action I doubt it would be enough to fix its issues.
>>14075760
>It's like you're delusional and believe that the original NGE didn't pull the same shit with its clusterfuck of a plot.
I'm fairly sure nothing of the nonsense you put there was in NGE, nor in any of it's "here it's explained now faggots, love Anno" glossaries.
The bullshit you wrote is pure, retarded speculation that's actually gone a long way in making a poor story even worse. Was that the intent with hat dumb pasta of yours?
Is there even a single grain or gram of fat in your body that thinks your pasta isn't extremely retarded?
Because it is.
>>14075767
Why the hell are you acting so autistically enraged over my evidence or theory attempts to begin with?
The OP asked for peoples opinions on 3.0 and what they expect will happen in Final. I expressed my ideas on what I think will likely happen in Final, and that's the reveal that Shinji is a seed of life. What will happen from there on out is hard to tell, but the plot will revolve around that twist once its revealed.
>>14075814
>my evidence
I don't call it evidence, I call it delusional bullshit.
>>14075832
>delusional bullshit
It's always possible. But the evidence that's been building up over the course of these movies says otherwise.
>>14075814
>waaaah waaaah no one criticize my opinion please
Do you even know where you are?
>>14075846
It's delusional bullshit.
>but my delusional bullshit will come true!
in which case, like I said, it'd make a poor story worse.
Fuck off to fanfiction.net.
>>14075850
4chan, the primary home and residence for manchildren.
>>14075861
Why would it make a poor story worse?
If anything it would explain a lot, and improve some of 3.0's plotholes, like why all of Wille and Misato especially treat Shinji like shit, why Nerv kidnapped him in the first place and so on.
>>14075973
You know what would "explain" everything even better than the convoluted, unbelievable mess you just wrote? Ending it all by having Shinji wake up from a silly dream.
You must be fucking autistic if you can't see how your pathetic excuse for a "theory", which neglects character, story and relies on adding nonsensical twists isn't abominable.
>>14075982
>neglects character, story
Now I know you're just trying to bait me.
As I've already stated, Shinji being a seed of life would explain Wille's complete and utter mistrust and hate towards him. And seeing that Misato originally joined NERV due to her hatred of angels and second impact being responsible for her father's death, realizing that Shinji is the very thing that likely resulted second impact would create a lot of mixed complications and feelings for her. So him being a seed would easily explain why she's so cold, distant and conflicted with him now.
It also gives Gendo a proper reason to avoid and use his son. Rather than being some fucking asshole with entirely delusional goals, why would he want to bother bonding with a "thing" that's not really his true son, but just some monster wearing the sheeps clothing of he and his wife's biological make up?
It also gives a decent reason why Shinji feels so bonded to Rei and Kaworu in the first place, and vice-versa. Those are just a few examples.
>>14076052
In other words, completely neglects the characters and story so far.
Making up behind-the-scenes explanations for everything shits on everything existing.
That it was all a dream is more realistic, more believable and more in-character than any of the soppy mess you've written.
>>14076069
Seems like you're more or less pissed that 3.0 didn't give you the fan service that you were asking for.
>>14076076
3.0 was just fanservice crap and little else.
Then you're just inserting your own fetid fanservice nonsense into an already poor story, do you have no self-insight? Don't throw stones in glass houses, they say.
>>14073129
I will never understand why Evangelion ever got this huge.
>>14076193
>OP sperging retarded theories
I can't wait for the 4th movie to be released and it being so retarded it wil shit on you and all the stupid eva fanbase due to how bad it will be
>>14076210
3.33 already did that, and half of em still loved it.
For plebs who didn't "get" the genius of 3.33: listen to these Evangelion experts analyze this masterpiece
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aXBAAELMuHc
>>14076243
>3 hours 40 minutes
no fucking thank you
>>14076193
The Japanese lost decade
On the western side, it was the angels and the 90s edgyness (HUUURRR THEY KILL ANGELS, SO EXTREEEMMMEE!!!!) Ironically, Anno admitted he wouldn't use angels if he knew Eva would become popular on the west
Question: Why does Shinji get shat on for doing what he literally had to do? Was he just going to let the angel wreck the planet?
>>14076243
>3h41m
I never understood the culture of podcasts.
Who's so full of themselves that they think they're worth listening to for FOUR FUCKING HOURS. Condense your thoughts, man. Even Red Letter Media tries to keep their content around 30 minute mark because that's about as long as you can expect people to stay with your show.
>>14076193
Evangelion was huge case since its metapolitical stuff envisions History's end. The show does not clearly explain what are the Angels because enemy cannot be identified anymore in a world where ideological and political narratives have been supressed. All the fucking Instrumentality Project is the metaphorical transcription of economic and cultural globalization, with Japan as the main victim at the center. Behind the fake mystics are big political concepts, mostly right wing fantasies embedded in japanese unconscious.
>>14076243
Some idiiot plebbing it up on youtube?
No thanks.
>>14076887
Because the movie (3.33) isn't there to make sense.
It's there to attack the Rei-character, which means that everything needs to be rewritten into an anti-Rei angle.
This includes poor Shinji who tried to save Rei.
>>14077118
One of the best posts ITT.
3.33 only really makes sense as Anno's rewriting Evangelion so that his favorite characters get awesome new shit.
>>14073129
I thought it was shit then and I still think it is shit. It didn't do a good job of world building or character building to get me to care about the drama and it just reused the climax of the previous film again but did it in a more retarded way.
The Rei here is some random production line version so I don't know why I should care about her or why they are introducing another "new" character again. Mari is still wasted space. Asuka is some kind of alien thing and really angry all the time but we don't know anything about her, her past or or life enough to care.
Kaworu is basically a plot device. Gendo is just some keikaku doori villain ad Fuyutsuki is just there for awkward exposition. Misato is painfully neglected. Shinji's suffering is contrived.
Everything feels so artificial and shallow it's hard to care. And the plot is meh, just a retread of "Shinji is sad and frustrated and plays into Gendo's ambiguous plans, except Gendo isn't even vaguely interesting". We got it in 2.22. And NGE.
Plot was never eva's strong point. It was always the characters imo. And with shit characters the films are a failure.
There's some interesting ideas but the execution is just awful.
>>14079169
The point of making a "new" Rei was just to sabotage and degrade the Rei character.
The point of Asuka getting all those new alien/moe traits was for her to become more popular.
The point of Mari was to be the "lesbian expansion pack" for Asuka, to further increase her popularity.
The point of Kaworu was to popularize the character and make him more important as well, increasing a measly portion of 20 minutes in NGE to a full 96 minutes full feature.
This is why everything feels artificial and shallow. Every single plot twist and turn is there to popularize Anno's favorite characters, and to ravage the characters he doesn't like.
>>14077118
>right wing fantasies
>>14079169
Anno knows the audience are inevitably going to flock towards Rei and Shinji as their favorite characters if he writes them sincerely. Writes them to make them the best of what they can be in terms of quality.
So with 3.33 (and let's be real, every other spinoff) he sacrifices character quality for character presentation.
This is why there's a new production line Rei no one cares about, and Asuka / Kaworu get literal super-powers far beyond what the original characters had.
>>14080542
>Anno knows the audience are inevitably going to flock towards Rei and Shinji as their favorite characters
Maybe Rei and that's a Japan thing but Shinji has always been the most unpopular pilot. OK, maybe the 90s generation could relate to him but we're not in the 90s anymore. The big questions arise on the lost decade weren't resolved so Japan as a nation has decided to stop trying and wait for their ineludible demise through idolshit and general hedonism.
Still as bad today, OP.
Anno is basically a manchild who obsesses about NGEs reception so much he will sacrifice quality just to see his favorite on the top of some poll.
>>14080550
Shinji and Rei were both the most popular characters of their respective genders when the original came out and continued to be that for many years.
That changed because Anno has as been critical of their popularity and has always written them to get worse in sequels.
The only reason to watch NGE left is for the otaku pandering
>>14075651
>Shinji's seed body
But Kowaru already seeded Shinji's body.
>>14075846
>>14075814
Not the same guy you're replying too. I hate theories like this so much too. You came to a conclusion first and then found evidence to match your theory that makes no sense.
It's definitively not as bad as people who think this is a timeloop from the original series. They've done the same thing as you but it's even stupider and the evidence is just flat out literally wrong. (Asuka got her entire unit destroyed not specific parts like her Rebuild form, the damage she and 02 got in Rebuild is just an homage to Dix Neuf from Diebuster.)
I hate the retarded trend of youtube videos proving LINK IS DEAD BECAUSE REASONS THAT ARE NOT VEN IN THE GAME. I just hate it so much. It's the buzzfeed article of intelligent discussion.
>>14077269
>>>14076887
>Because the movie (3.33) isn't there to make sense.
>
>It's there to attack the Rei-character, which means that everything needs to be rewritten into an anti-Rei angle.
>
>This includes poor Shinji who tried to save Rei.
The purpose of Rei not being saved in 2.0 was so Shinji would repeat the mistakes of his father. The Rebuild themes are repeating mistakes. Kowaru alludes to it when he tells shinji you can never play piano perfectally when he starts, you can only hope to repeat it over and over again and do as good as you can do. (I'm not directly quoting that at all sorry my memory is terrible.) It's also what Anno said about the movies in some interneview, and why the musical symbol for repetition is in the title for Final. It's also why the rest of the plot of 3.33 was about Shinji almost starting another impact. I think eventually he's going to keep doing this and realize the newest Rei, or even Asuka and Misato are his niggas. Rei's death doesn't mean they were trying to shit on her as a character.
>>14077080
I don't get podcasts myself, but they're probably for people to listen to while doing other shit.
>>14081008
Yeah it's not my thing either, but it feels like a niche version of a radio talk show anyone can do themselves. It makes a lot more sense if you've ever seen that episode of Maron's show where a bunch of radio legends are his guests.
>there are people on /m/ whose favourite character isn't asuka.
>>14081013
>there are people in the world /m/ whose favourite character isn't asuka.
FTFY
>>14073129
>>14080990
That means they are shitting on Rei. Putting aside that they've killed her along with her character, they've made Rei into a mistake by your logic. Not just a mistake, but a character Shinji (You) shouldn't associate with "or else".
They've rewritten the canon so that Rei is inferior to what she was, and the story has made Rei it's lynchpin for everything bad.
Rei's death in this context does mean they are shitting on the character. Denying it at this point is insanity.
>>14081187
Rei was always the false path, anon. Even in the original series. Its not her fault, its simply what she represents to Shinji.
Let me break this down for you.
Rei represents quiet being mistaken for peace, comfort without significant challenge. Rei does what she is told, is loyal to a fault, and doesn't have much in the way of an opinion on her own. She has no sense of self or self preservation, she lacks even the personal initiative to not sleep in bloody filth because no one told her not to. For someone like Shinji, she is pretty and most importantly extremely non threatening. Shinji can hang out with Rei all he wants without fearing being rejected or hurt, because Rei doesn't have enough personality to reject anyone.
Most importantly from a symbolism perspective, Rei is a clone of Yui. Yui, who Gendo (Shinji's father) latched on to because she was the one person who didn't hurt him and he could open up to. This made Gendo happy, but only until he lost Yui. That relationship was comfortable, but so supremely unhealthy that Gendo is willing to destroy the rest of the planet just to get her back.
Shinji choosing Rei, instead of personal growth, would be him repeating the mistakes of Gendo (which EoE makes clear was just like Shinji until he became bitter and rejected the world before it could reject him).
>>14081379
Nonsense.
What you just wrote deeply contradicts the character and the story it comes from. Everything you wrote can be, example-wise, be contradicted and thus disproven by the original work itself.
>Rei does what she's told
So does everyone else - but unlike everyone else, Rei knows when to say no or when to do what she knows is right - leading to the downfall of e.g Gendo.
>doesn't have much in the way of an opinion on her own.
Between the children, Rei and Shinji are the only one with a legitimate opinion to present. An informed opinion.
>She has no sense of self
On the contrary, Rei's sense of self is the strongest among the children, if not the adults as well. This is because Rei spends a lot of time in understanding herself, and comes to accurate conclusion.
Her lack of self-preservation is justified, although cruel, in the series.
>because Rei doesn't have enough personality to reject anyone.
She rejects Asuka, Gendo, and even slaps Shinji.
>Most importantly from a symbolism perspective, Rei is a clone of Yui.
This was not the case in NGE, where Rei was never mentioned to be a clone of Yui, nor was it possible given the setting.
These small examples from NGE is enough to overthrow your entire point of view concerning these characters, and the original work itself. These are also such obvious observations that they cannot possibly be missed by someone who actually attempted to understand it.
The problem here is that you are, much like Anno, unsubtly attacking Rei's character through indirect and direct means - by lying about it, and discrediting it with falsities.
You chose the focus of Shinji "choosing Rei", when Shinji choosing anyone (not even in Rebuild) has never been a choice to make. This clear fabrication coming from both you and the new EVA-direction only shows one thing: fear. Bias leading to fear of losing.
You've created a non-functional framework of understanding as to excuse Rei's popularity.
>>14081379
>>14081485
Which only means that ironically you've become guilty of the very same thing you've rhetorically condemned: escapism though a fictional character.
All you've constructed here, as Anno has with EoE, is a rationalization of a reality you were unable to accept, which was Rei's indisputable superiority as a character in both the story and to the public.
This is why there is a need to create a framework where Rei is seen as the "false path", as you put it - not because it actually is a false path, or that there are even paths to be taken that can be considered right or wrong, but simply because you on the line of Anno, don't want Shinji or the audience to like or associate with Rei.
Because that would, even though it shouldn't, hamper your own enjoyment of the series.
To this end, you, much like Anno, drastically reduced the characters to mere totems of otaku escapism, where waifuism and choosing a waifu is the actual end-game.
>>14081485
> He doesn't even accept that Rei was a clone of Yui
Wow. I am actually kind of at a loss for words.
There isn't anything I could say that would get through a headcanon that thickly layered.
Do you think the fact that Rei looks like Yui with blue hair, is one of a batch of numerous clones, and didn't show up until after Yui died in the custody of her obsessed and grieving husband is all just coincidence?
>>14081513
Before you start throwing false accusations, search yourself for answers first.
Rather than ask rhetoric questions, let's use logic and rationality, evidence and if present, proof to define whether or not Rei was a clone of Yui in NGE.
Let's settle this like adults, no?
The first question we should ask is, was Rei ever mentioned to be a clone of Yui in NGE?
We can begin by answering that. Let's have you answer it.
>>14081513
That Rei is a clone of Yui is fanon. I understand why people think that, but it's an unfortunate misunderstanding on part of rather shallow fans.
>>14081509
>All you've constructed here, as Anno has with EoE
Meant to write Rebuild. Part of a sentence that didn't get deleted.
>>14081513
>>14081522
Well? It shouldn't take this long to answer.
>>14081513
Well anon? Are you prepared to discuss this as adults, or will you let your silence be the evidence that you were wrong?
>>14080903
He technically already did at the end of 3.0 by just piloting the same eva that Shinji awakened.
Also Shinji was seeded by Zeruel at the end of 2.0 to trigger that impact, so there's also that.
>>14081530
I thought Rei synchro'd perfectly with Yui.
Plus "the way you wring out the towel is very motherly" says something. If you have an explanation as to why all the coincidences line up perfectly then feel free. She's a soulless clone who was filled with Lilith's spirit.
>>14081999
>She's a soulless clone who was filled with Lilith's spirit.
I thought it was equal parts yui goop and lilith goop since it was from the stuff they scooped out of her entry plug so it was ex-yui and LCL
>>14081530
Is it really fanon if even characters in the show thought it was true, even if they couldn't prove it? Ritsuko's mom seemed pretty sure that Rei looked fucking exactly like Yui.
are toiletfags really that desperate to make shinji fucking his mother not seem weird?
>>14082019
Important thing to remember s that the soul and the body are separate things in Eva, and Nerv has an entire field of study about the observation and manipulation of the soul. They call it Metaphysical Biology, its what Yui majored in. Soul Science is a thing in NGE.
Rei is a series of clones that are designed for them to be born as empty soul vessels. Their original purpose was to serve as a container for Lilith's soul to keep Lilith's soul outside of Lilith's body as a safeguard to keep Lilith from waking up. Nerv also later realizes that they can print fake souls into the clones to serve as a sort of pilot replacement, which is the basis of the dummy plug system.
But as a series of clones, they need to have a genetic donor. All evidence points to Rei being based on Yui's DNA, from her circumstances of her origin to characters mentioning that she looks like her to how Gendo and Shinji both treat her. That DNA may have been tweaked a bit to have her server her purpose as a soul vessel, a lot of the process her was never elaborated on, but we are still taking 95% Yui DNA in the end result.
The soul tech was also used throughout Rei's lifetime to monitor her and, after the death of Rei 1, make periodic backups of her memories so that she could be replaced if she should die again. Gendo was lucky that Rei 1 died while she was still very young, so replacing her with a blank copy was still easy to pass off as kids being forgetful and weird.
>>14082019
But the clones in the vat had no soul, I thought. Maybe they meant all Reis have no soul but on the other hand that's what seems to power the dummy plugs. I do know that the Rei 2 who died was neither Yui or Lilith, she was her own person, so that does make sense. I know that the new Rei does keep all the memories of the other Reis though so I assumed there was some kind of transference of soul. I guess that's just them all being connected by LCL or some shit though.
Who knows. Yours sounds really plausible though.
>>14082067
You are very close, just missing a couple of details.
You are right in that the Rei's are not 'Lilith', but they do carry around Lilith's soul. Its a part of them, and their whole reason for being.
Interestingly, Rei never seems to be aware of the fact that she is carrying around Lilith until Kaworu forces her to confront that information. Perhaps Gendo thought that knowledge of what she truly was would be too dangerous for her to have.
But while there is some memory transfer between bodies, its not perfect. The first evidence of this is that Rei III has incomplete memories: she clearly does not remember the battle in which Rei II died, and indeed realizing that memory gap exists is when Rei realizes this must be her third incarnation.
The other part is that while Rei III remembers things that happened to Rei II, she mentions that they don't feel real, like they didn't happen to her.
So the most likely explanation is that the memories get backed up elsewhere, such as in that machine she is always seen in at the bottom of Nerv, which basically just makes a save file. Rei III remembered only up until the most recent save, it was impossible for anything after that to be passed along. And the implanted memories don't hold the same weight as the real ones did to Rei II, which sucks for Gendo because it means that Rei III is only a few weeks old instead of having been genuinely loyal to Gendo for years.
It makes you wonder if Gendo's plan would have succeeded if he had been able to enact it with Rei 2, or if the Unit 01 hijack was always going to be too strong for Rei herself to have a say in.
>>14081999
>>14082023
None of these indicate that they thought she was a clone. They don't think it, nor do they say it.
Hence, the anon who claims she is a clone of Yui is claiming so not because it's true, or because it's shown to be true in the series, but because he wants it to be true.
>>14082082
Yeah, I missed your post before typing that up. I understand now, it's pretty much what I figured but I wasn't going to put a ton of thought into it when I haven't seen the shoe in a while.
>>14082060
>>14082082
This is fairly close, although if you want to make clear any percentage, the going is 50/50, based on comments from Sadamoto who gives that exact figure. Anything else would be speculation, but I'd speculate given Rei's physical abnormalities that the Yui-percentage is much, much lower than 95%.
The notion that Rei is a complete clone of Yui is reductionist hatred coming from posters such as
>>14082032
and
>>14081513
>>14081379
for reasons that are entirely based on character-loyalism to another character than Rei.
>>14082082
>You are right in that the Rei's are not 'Lilith', but they do carry around Lilith's soul. Its a part of them, and their whole reason for being.
The Rei-clones are soulless, and this is made clear in NGE ep 23.
>>14082082
>The other part is that while Rei III remembers things that happened to Rei II, she mentions that they don't feel real, like they didn't happen to her.
Inaccurate.
It's the other way around.
In episode 23, Rei sheds her first tears when fighting against Armisael. This is commented on. Rei dies in this fight, but is resurrected as Rei III.
Now, Rei's body has naturally none of the memories Rei II had just prior to her death, since they could not have been backed up. Her brain, nerve-pathways and everything is "fresh". Only her soul and consciousness isn't.
So when Rei sheds tears in her apartment later in the episode, she remarks that she does not remember having cried before, but that she still knew that it wasn't the first time.
If you want an explanation of how it works, this: >>14074056
offers the correct answer.
>>14082082
>>14082067
Rei II isn't Yui, but she is Lilith.
Textwall kun you've got to stop.
>>14081035
Baffling, I know.
>people talk EVA for once
>textwalls! staph!
Does /m/ just have evangelion or something?
>>14082286
It's all waifu faggotry
>>14082302
>>14082297
Hm. Well among the posters ITT, the only autistic or close to autistic posters I'd count is you.
>>14082304
Excellent discussion we're having here.
>>14082302
*autistic Asuka fan who can't deal with any eva discussing touching on Rei
FTFY
now go away and let the grownups talk.
>>14082309
>>14082302
Sounds to me like you've got a problem with people talking Evangelion. Why not dial down your own autism and you know - not post?
>>14082319
This post ironically reeks of underaged, down to the rhetoric
>grownups
And I know for a fact your autistic ass doezn't have the nuance. Missed me babysitting you, eh? Too fucking bad.
>>14082323
You could just try not samefaggig on a board as slow as /m/
>>14082319
Not everything is Rei vs Asuka, dude. No one is talking about the pilot of Unit 02, and we don't have to be talking about Asuka in order to point out that a certain Reifag is taking their headcanon way too seriously.
>>14082339
We need to be talking about Asuka fans, since right now, they are shitting up a good thread.
>>14082339
See
>>14082335
>>14082328
>>14082309
>>14082302
and arguably some other posts like
>>14081513
>>14081013
>>14081035
etc
Immature, lame posts which add nothing but waifu wars. It's not a Rei fan who takes the head canon seriously, the Rei fans (note the plural, if they even are rei fans) were having a topical discussion helping each other out.
Notice how Asuka fans make up their own headcanon and then when called out on it, refuse to discuss further.
Childish, bad people out to ruin threads.
>>14082352
>>14082347
Asuka fans to tend to be territorial and rowdy. Maybe we should discuss Asuka a bit to include them?
>>14082347
>We need to derail this thread harder because of alleged derailing
Reifags raising the bar on their much touted discourse evidently.
>>14082302
If it was shitposting I could understand but the discussion is completely civil and related to eva. If you can't form an argument or join in don't complain.
>>14082361
>implying they're here to discuss
Chances are you'd just make things worse. Evangelion threads run the best when they're under the radar for team red.
>>14081530
So 3.33 is essentially adding a new canon?
>>14082364
I, too, believe that passive aggressive complaining from Reifags upholds only the most chivalrous of tenents. Clearly you are the saints you advertise yourself as and totally do not samefag or circlejerk. At all.
>>14082364
Asuka fans like that guy don't really need a reason to start complaining. That's what they're here for.
>>14082364
Its an autistic asukafag who triggers anytime people talk about Rei.
Asuka fans are generally very mad about that for some reason.
>>14082370
If the airship didnt tip you off that it was creating new canon, nothing will.
>>14082370
Pretty much, yeah. They also changed Yui's backstory, so instead of being named Yui Ikari, she's now Yui Ayanami.
>>14082376
That's what being less popular, and being fan of a character who Rei humbles more than on one occasion will do to you I guess.
>>14082387
Now that is just a straight shitpost. You'd think Asuka fans wouldn't out themselves as being the worst this willingly.
>>14082385
>shamelessly replying to yourself or circlejerking on this level
Might give the /c/ thread some presents at this rate.
>>14082387
Go cuddle with your asuka daki.
>>14082391
>Fuck he has us bullseyed, better lament that he's a no-good poopy shitposter
>Azukafags lmao
>>14082385
Asuka fandom might be the worst of the fandoms I know.
Gundam fandom gets loud but they defend series not entire characters like this
>>14081971
Pictured: you
>>14073129
Probably the best rebuild film. Felt like Anno was really working his magic. Proof is retard fanboys like
>>14079169
>>14073824
>>14073404
>>14073858
>>14073991
Yeah it is iffy on some stuff but it felt like i was watching Evangelion on vcr again, not some neon Nike greatest hits vangelion of the first two rebuilds.
>>14081513
>Wow. I am actually kind of at a loss for words.
It's called having no rebuttal and losing the argument, friend.
#rekt
>>14082438
But anon, you are the retard fanboy sperging about nostalgia, those people just call it for what it is, a sleazy cash-in.
>>14082440
>#rekt
Patting yourself on the back is never anything other than pathetic, whether you're right or wrong.
>>14073753
Yep
>>14073129
So how is rebuild a sequel to EoE? I remember there being a huge ruckus about it since Anno said it was or something
>>14082442
It only took the dumb fans until 3.0 to realize that it was a sleazy cash in, because the movies were straight-up pandering until 3.0 happened.
>>14082401
It's a long story to explain, but Rebuild's impactsare basically just some breeding experiment that SEELE and NERV are trying to control.
As a whole, Reebuild's version of instrumentality was originally supposed to be loving, consensual ayylien sex between two seeds, resulting in the birth of hybrid FAR-like life forms with the qualities of both fruits in their possession.
This becomes pretty apparent once you realize that the following events share some pretty key similarites:
>asuka contamination scene: 9th angel already within unit 04, begins 'contaminating' the core and Asuka with blue core material. Now Asuka is some hybrid freak and who knows what's going on with her eye now. An impact would've happened if Rei was piloting it. And Rei was originally going to be its test pilot until Asuka told her to back out.
>2.0 near-third impact: Rei swallowed by 10th angel. Shini passes through blue core material to save Rei. Takes contaminated Rei into eva unit 01's core. Commences impact.
>3.0's 4th impact: Mark 9 starts dispersing blue core material into Wunder's core, with eva 01 and Rei's soul inside. Would've resulted in impact's completion if Asuka didn't stop it. Meanwhile 12th angel with weird Rei shit going on is absorbed into a Shinji controlled eva 13, with Kaworu being the contaminationg trigger by simply being the core's co-pilot.
tldr;
angels = sperm doners
evas = wombs
pilot/Rei = egg that needs to be fertilized.
>>14074218
>Asuka gets a new EVA
You mean Unit 02 upgraded with tape?
>>14083572
dude
it was a yaoi joke
you're going full autist over a yaoi joke
I mean I know there's subtext in the series itself but
but you're going full autist
over a yaoi joke
>>14073129
I'm still waiting for the movie between 2 and this one.
when watching the 3.33 all i got was "poor shinji why everyone hate him...wait we're years into the future now?"
>>14083493
3.0 was even higher on the pandering scale m8. It was pandering in the true sense of the world too.
1.0 and 2.0 were basically on-par, or under par when compared to how much pandering NGE did.
>>14083572
Get a grip on your life.
>>14073129
Its a shit movie and your post is retarded.
>>14084241
Yeah, I know it was a joke. Don't really care either way.
>>14084483
I wish you would, cancerous Reifag.
>>14085057
Quir stirring up waifu wars you manchild autist. Fuck off to /a/.
>>14085098
The one who stirred it up was the cancerous Reifag, not me.
>>14085193
There is no cancerous reifag ITT, only you.
>>14085193
So where is this mystical "Reifag" ? Because unlike your string of retarded shitposts, I see people discussing like civil people until some retarded "hurhurhurdur reifags" jump in.
Worst movie ever.
Intentionally confusing to goad idiots such as the OP into believing it's "deep".
>>14074552
Huh. I never even noticed.
That cheapens the series a whole lot more
I liked it, but I have no interest in 4.44. I always liked Kaworu and Shinji's relationship for what it brings out in Shinji and what it says about the cast as a whole; simple positivity and bare kindness does so much more than anything else that anybody tries, and I feel like 3.33 expands on that well. That being said, I have no interest in a Post-Impact world, and without Kaworu it frankly feels like theres not many places to go. You can't prevent 3rd impact, Shinji can't save who he wants to save; whats the plot going to be?
>>14087492
It could be about Shinji, Rei and WILLE getting a hold of Kaworu's soul and trashing, removing it from existence killing Kaworu permanently and ending the loops.
That sounds very interesting and is the way forward to go for Rebuild if it doesn't want to suck.
Movie was a mess from start to finish. Also who the fuck approved the Wunder? What the fuck was on the internal memo when it went out of draft
>>14087945
>ayy anno we need sum dessy igns ere
>sup famalam, whatcha all about
>i unno, just fuck my shit up
>say no mo, say no mo
>>14087506
Where does it state the loops? I just finished watching all of rebuild yesterday but all I got was some minor EoE references like the blood stain on the moon
>>14088526
People found some shit. The further you scroll in the pic the more lose it gets.
>>14087963
>finalname
I still haven't watch 3.33 should i give it a watch /m/?
>>14088568
Ah ok thanks! Me and my friend picked up on that but I just thought they changed second impact. It all makes sense now thank you!
>>14073129
So what is Gendo's plan this time around?Is it to get his wife back like last time?if it is then he's going about it in a very weird way.
>>14088624
Wish I could unwatch it desu, what a waste of time that was.
>>14089577
Anno still doesn't know.
>>14089577
To release Gothicmade.
>>14087381
What is the context of this image?
>>14089969
They are discussing 3.33
>>14090948
I meant were did the image come from and what was the original context?
>>14091026
I can't remember
>>14087506
Shinji is the one initiating the loops, for them to end Shinji would need to be the one to die.
>>14091210
Nah, it's Kaworu. Even if it's Shinji Kaworu should be deleted anyway.
>>14091217
Kaworu only remembers, Shinji is the one actually doing it.
Kaworu can't be the one doing it because he's "born" from a coffin in 1.0 and hints at Shinji's timelooping in the piano scene in 3.0.
>>14091228
Even less evidence that it's Shinji, hopping out of a coffin doesn't mean he's not responsible.
I'm not even demanding that Kaworu is responsible, but quite clearly Kaworu should be erased from existence for the betterment of mankind AND the franchise.
Kaworu is responsible in sort of a "meta" way, because the timelooping aspect of Rebuild is created for that character.
>>14091234
>Even less evidence that it's Shinji
The only evidence of timelooping is from Shinji. His god-like powers and the theme of repeating until your satisfied are only attached to him.
I don't see how Kaworu could timeloop if he came out of a coffin 15 years after Second Impact occurred. He only seems to know about it, SEELE and Gendo most likely know to.
Because of the Dead Sea Scrolls, maybe?
>I'm not even demanding that Kaworu is responsible
Then why respond in the first place?
>the timelooping aspect of Rebuild is created for that character
It was clearly created for Shinji since he is the one timelooping. Also because Anno is using Rebuild as the means to make Eva a Gundam-ish franchise.
>>14091243
>The only evidence of timelooping is from Shinji. His god-like powers and the theme of repeating until your satisfied are only attached to him.
Not evidence, and Kaworu being aware of timeloops and not being human is officially more proof.
He can very well be responsible for the timeloops, and merely be set to appear somewhere in them at some specific time as he mapped out himself.
>Then why respond in the first place?
Courtesy, and I argue that there is more evidence for Kaworu than Shinji. Not that I'm demanding that either of them are responsible.
Looping can be twisted into a bad thing, and if Anno is as bad of a person as this thread implies he is, he'll just pin the blame for the loops on whoever he doesn't like of the characters. Anything can be written in.
>It was clearly created for Shinji since he is the one timelooping. Also because Anno is using Rebuild as the means to make Eva a Gundam-ish franchise.
Nonsense.
It's created for Kaworu because since movie #1, he's been featured in scenarios and with dialogue that is implicitly or explicitly tied to the idea of looping. Think Devilman.
Anything else is a secondary effect, at best he's hitting two birds in one stone. At any rate, if Evangelion is to be fixed, Kaworu has to be toned down.
>>14091255
>and Kaworu being aware of timeloops and not being human is officially more proof.
Well then you'd have to include SEELE and Gendo on the list of people who can timeloop then, because they know even more than Kaworu does.
>I argue that there is more evidence for Kaworu than Shinji
Well, I disagree based on what I mention in a previous post.
Shinji was already confirmed to be the one looping in the newest SRW game, anyhow.
>It's created for Kaworu because since movie #1
It's created because Anno said Eva is a story that repeats. He said he wanted Eva to be able to be a franchise like Gundam, with many different series under its belt. This would require a change in characters, themes, done by different directors and so forth.
A timeloop or alternate universes is the best way to accomplish this, and Shinji is the one confirmed to be timelooping regardless.
Kaworu, SEELE, and Gendo just having knowledge of the timeloops doesn't mean anything in itself for those characters.
>Kaworu has to be toned down
Well he's dead now, so it doesn't matter.
I liked a lot of the ideas this movie had. I liked that the weaponizing of other angels that we saw at the beginning of 2.0 became a bigger thing with the Nemesis series. I like that it's pretty much about a resistance group flying a giant whale around a surreal post-apocalyptic landscape fighting cybernetically enhanced angels. The utter bat-shitness of it seems pretty brilliant (to me I guess) on paper but I agree that the movie was utterly mismanaged. Asuka and Mari should've aged normally with younger pilotsor possibly clonestaking their place. I feel like the former option would disregard Otaku pandering in such a way that it would make the viewer's discomfort mirror Shinji's, while the latter option says something about the trivialization and disposable nature of characters that are essentially diluted down to waifu material. But then again we already got the latter option with Rei and I'm kind of forcing a unsubstantiated interpretation onto things because I think it sounds cool. Maybe it would be worth it just to see Misato sink to those depths out of desperation. As for Shinji not aging I feel like him being in stasis inside an Eva, possibly in an immaterial state, would've been enough to keep his age at 14 years old and a proper vessel for the audience to experience the movie's "future-shock." I'm rambling but let me finish by saying that an ova about WILLE's adventures trying to outrun Seele in a giant whale with monster of the week shenanigans would get me pretty wet. Eva mk.6 would make a cool mysterious recurring antagonist and Kaworu could debut properly as its pilot in 3.0 instead of it getting sacrificed without it even doing anything.
tldr; this movie had really really cool shit that was frustrating to see in such a horribly written context.
>>14085486
He is probably the only waifufag in the thread, a Asukafag no less that has been banned on both /a/ and /m/ for shitposting far too much
>>14091265
>Well then you'd have to include SEELE and Gendo on the list of people who can timeloop then, because they know even more than Kaworu does.
I think it's officially stated that they know just as much. SEELE and Gendo are villains that usually get what's coming for them, so no need to worry there.
>Well, I disagree based on what I mention in a previous post.
What you mentioned got disproved by what I wrote in the previous one, didn't it?
It's Kaworu who throughout all four movies have had knowledge about the loops, while Shinji knows nothing. If they're going to make it either one of them, Kaworu makes the most sense and that's a fact.
>Shinji was already confirmed to be the one looping in the newest SRW game, anyhow.
SRW ain't canon, sort of weak to even really mention it really.
>It's created because Anno said Eva is a story that repeats.
Anno says this after the fact. The original NGE wasn't a story that repeats in the sense that it looped. A timeloop as presented in 3.0 exists purely for one thing, Kaworu. He is the only character drawing any sort of character-related advantage from it. You can't deny it.
A timeloop is not the best way to accomplish a gundam-esque story at all. Gundam went at it fine for a long, long time without including loops of any sort whatsoever.
>Well he's dead now, so it doesn't matter.
Loops, sonny. Loops. You need to erase Kaworu from the story completely, and step on the corpse. Only then can evangelion move forwards and out of the loops, of continually rehashing itself into something worse.
>>14091302
What a waste of potential this unit was.
>>14091341
>SEELE and Gendo are villains that usually get what's coming for them
Really? Maybe for Gendo, but I seem to recall SEELE getting exactly what they wanted in EoE.
Also, I'd wager they know much more than Kaworu considering they tricked him in 3.0.
>What you mentioned got disproved by what I wrote in the previous one, didn't it?
You didn't even mention any of my evidence, you just tried to claim that Kaworu somehow had more than Shinji.
And Shinji knowing nothing is part of the point, Gendo and Fuyutsuki even said he's being brainwashed in 1.0.
Kaworu, SEELE, and even Gendo know about the loops. Just having knowledge doesn't mean anything, especially with the Dead Sea Scrolls around.
>SRW ain't canon
It doesn't have to be. That's what Anno wrote and that's what is mimicked in other Eva spinoffs as well. To suddenly reveal Kaworu as the one timelooping would throw a curveball.
>the original NGE wasn't a story that repeats in the sense that it looped
No, not in the looping sense. But that's what Anno is clearly going for now.
And I do recall the only reference towards timeloops being made in 3.0 was the piano duet where Kaworu gives advice TO SHINJI on repeating.
>A timeloop is not the best way to accomplish a gundam-esque story at all.
Okay, well tell that to Anno not me.
>Loops
Which again, Shinji is the one creating.
If you want an Eva-less Kaworu, then tell that to Shinji who obsessively keeps bringing him back.
>>14087963
>jaded old man playing with an airplane model
This picture gets me every time
>>14091360
>Really? Maybe for Gendo, but I seem to recall SEELE getting exactly what they wanted in EoE.
They went out thinking that, but the instrumentality they so desired was disrupted. Gendo got his.
>Also, I'd wager they know much more than Kaworu considering they tricked him in 3.0.
SEELE didn't do anything in 3.0, and it's officially said that they know just as much. Kaworu is just a dumbass, a dumbass who is dangerous to let live.
>You didn't even mention any of my evidence, you just tried to claim that Kaworu somehow had more than Shinji.
Your evidence got disproven. Shinji's god-like powers for instance, the DSS-choker is something that Kaworu comments was originally meant for him.
The theme of repeating is brought to Shinji by none other than Kaworu, who has been for three movies the arbitrator of loops and loop-related symbolism.
That Gendo or SEELE knows isn't substantiated, as only Kaworu has mentioned things of relation to it. That Shinji was brainwashed doesn't relate to any looping stuff, but what he saw as a child.
This disproves everything you've laid forth so far.
>SRW
Still not canon.
>No, not in the looping sense. But that's what Anno is clearly going for now.
Because it's advantageous for him in terms of adding it to Kaworu's character.
>Okay, well tell that to Anno not me.
I'm telling it to you because you're pretending that there isn't another way. Anno included the timeloops on cause of Kaworu's character, to mimic other franchises like Devilman.
>Which again, Shinji is the one creating.
No evidence. Even if Shinji is the one who is creating them in-universe, Kaworu is still the ultimate cause of them existing in the franchise.
>If you want an Eva-less Kaworu, then tell that to Shinji who obsessively keeps bringing him back.
Sick fanwank, and you're clearly delusional. Shinji or Kaworu doesn't exist and can't have their own opinions, no other opinions than the ones Anno has.
>>14091360
>>14091371
To sum it up, the whole looping concept exists primarily because of the need to increase the inclusion of Kaworu in Evangelion.
So far it is the only character who can draw any advantage from it either in-universe, or as a character with a position in the franchise. <--- Address this.
This also means that if we are to use logic, Kaworu is also the most likely to have caused them in-universe. If he isn't, removing Kaworu would still fix the problem as there would be no need to have any loops.
>>14091310
Asuka fans are really vile.
>>14091391
I honestly don't know why though, everyone got their characters completely reset and raped in this movie, even her
>>14091391
Ah yes, the ol' replying to oneself.
>>14091371
>but the instrumentality they so desired was disrupted
No it wasn't.
As long as humans choose to, they can remain in instrumentality. SEELE most likely chose to remain there, meaning they won. They got what they wanted thanks to Shinji and Rei.
>SEELE didn't do anything in 3.0
They said they're leaving their desires with Gendo, they're on the same team. Kaworu is a pawn in their plans, he doesn't know what their plan is until he figures it out near his death.
>Your evidence got disproven.
No, it never did.
Shinji's god-like powers include saving Asuka at the beginning of 3.0, somehow diving into a core and saving Rei in 2.0, taking full control of the eva in a supernatural way that was impossible in NGE. He has apparently enough power to even keep a unit awakened even when Kaworu is gone from it. The DSS choker just implies they are both inhuman.
Repeating is brought to Shinji by Kaworu, but also by Fuyutsuki. Kaji even says something along these themes in 2.0. It's a constant theme, and the theme is always directed towards Shinji. He is the one who is making the decisions, he is the one who chooses to repeat, redo, advance, etc.
>That Shinji was brainwashed doesn't relate to any looping stuff, but what he saw as a child
It's never clarified what exactly the brainwashing referred to. Fuyutsuki says in 3.0 Shinji forgot about his mother, not that he was forced to forget.
>Anno included the timeloops on cause of Kaworu's character
Then he would have made Kaworu the timelooper, not Shinji.
Shinji is established to be the one looping, why Kaworu knows what he knows isn't revealed yet; it may be because of Shinji.
Like you said, Anno wants Eva to be like Devilman and wants to expand the franchise to other directors, and he does that through timeloops. Having Kaworu being the one introducing the element makes sense, Kaworu is that kind of exposition character anyway. He did the same with the introduction of the ATField and Lilith in NGE.
>>14091379
Kaworu only serves to introduce the concept of timeloops.
In theory, had Kaworu not existed, another exposition character like SEELE, Fuyutsuki, or even Gendo could have introduced it; but Kaworu makes the most sense.
The timeloops are inherently linked to Shinji regardless of who introduces them. They're not an advantage or disadvantage to anyone, they're just a thing in Rebuild that works to connect the franchise to future works.
Kaworu said what he needed to say to progress the plot and the character of Shinji, now he is dead and gone from the story. Loops are still an element, and will be addressed and linked with Shinji in the final movie.
>>14076226
Well, shit-eaters gotta eat
>>14091396
>No it wasn't.
>As long as humans choose to, they can remain in instrumentality. SEELE most likely chose to remain there, meaning they won. They got what they wanted thanks to Shinji and Rei.
Here's why you're wrong:
Instrumentality is a joint existence of all mankind into one. This is set into motion by SEELE, but broken by Shinji and Rei in EoE after giving it a try. Therefore, that people can now leave this existence means that instrumentality is no more.
What you're thinking of, is how they are able to recover. They can't stay in instrumentality because it clearly ended. All of the souls were on-screen, expelled from instrumentality. You actually see it happen.
So no, they didn't get what they wanted. Especially when you see what they said they wanted in EoE, for it to become a private ARK for them. They settled for instrumentality, but that was broken, so in the end, they didn't get what they wanted.
>>14091413
So then if Instrumentality is no more, then where are all those souls?
In the LCL that comprises the ocean.
And SEELE is assumingly among them.
No barriers, no possibility of rejection. They're still existing in that desired way right until the end of the movie.
>>14091423
They are existing, separately, outside instrumentality.
Watch the goddamned movie. They float out in whichever direction, not in some sea or whatever.
>>14091396
>They said they're leaving their desires with Gendo, they're on the same team.
Gendo had no problem screwing them over either. 3.33 is too vague for you to know what happened. It must be ignored in it's entirety.
>Kaworu is a pawn in their plans, he doesn't know what their plan is until he figures it out near his death.
Because Kaworu is dumb.
>No, it never did.
Yes it did. Try replying to it, and you'll see instead of ignoring it. You bring up a new point with Shinji diving, but this is explained in the movies in 2.0, that they go to deep into the core, making them inhuman. Mentioned twice, once for Mari, and once for Asuka.
The DSS-choker was first made for Kaworu.
>It's never clarified what exactly the brainwashing referred to.
Then you can't admit it as evidence of any sort. If Shinji was able to forget about his mother, then as a child recognizing it as his mother, he would hardly have any god-powers either. Unlikely as hell.
>Then he would have made Kaworu the timelooper, not Shinji.
Circular logic, you haven't proved or shown that Shinji is the timelooper. So far, only kaworu knows of the timeloops, only Kaworu's character is related to the timeloops, and your argument is finished.
Other directors do not need timeloops to make Evangelion. Your position is a farce.
>>14081379
That is complete bullshit in the Rebuild movies though, since the first she started becoming her own being with Shinji himself pushing her to become her own individual independent from his father, like when he says that its not right for her to say that no one will care if she is gone when they fight the laser spam angel in the first movie and later when he saves her in the aftermath, then in the second movie she gets together with Asuka to try and bring father and son together of her own accord, without being ordered by anyone, she even goes to Gendo himself to ask for him to come to the dinner with Shinji, while she was indeed barely there for a great part of the original NGE they had a clear plan of developing her character along with everyone else in the movie, Shinji himself change across both movies becoming more confident and finding self worth with the only bump being literally force to beat his new friend half to death by his father and even then he still went back later when he saw two pilots get destroyed trying to help him escape
>>14091425
>not in some sea or whatever
All the humans souls are still in LCL until they form their own body, this is apparently the red ocean, as we see Shinji come from there.
>>14091404
>Kaworu only serves to introduce the concept of timeloops.
Remove Kaworu, remove timeloops. Logic! In fact we can remove all solid ideas of loops from Rebuild if we just remove Kaworu from the franchise/series.
You literally can't deny this any more. Everything you've written at all points has now been soundly disproven.
You keep forcing that it's for Shinji, but in Rebuild everything proves you wrong as 100% of the time, it's related to Kaworu.
Why the denial?
>>14091434
[Citation needed]
Stop backtracking and moving goalposts. Instrumentality is over. It's finished, it was established only to be broken. This is what happened.
That is why people have now the ability to come back, if they can form themselves. The joining of all souls was what instrumentality was all about, the removal of barriers. If we visually confirm the souls splitting apart in EoE, and the characters exclaim the end of instrumentality, it's over and you need to drop your failed pet theory.
Show some courtesy, or retreat to fanfiction.net where you can decide what's canon yourself.
>>14082067
It might be a case of a being managing to grow its own soul after living with Lilith inside her for so long
>>14091442
>If we visually confirm the souls splitting apart in EoE, and the characters exclaim the end of instrumentality
We see giant Lilith dying and her LCL (the souls of humans) sprayed onto the moon, around her, into the sea.
Shinji comes from the sea.
The souls that she gathered are still there, in LCL form. And without physically form, they technically have no barriers, just like instrumentality; this is why we only see Shinji and Asuka on the beach, everyone else so far apparently chose existing as LCL than as a human with the possibility of rejection.
>>14091432
It's bullshit in both the Rebuild movies and NGE. What you just responded to was insane Asuka fan rationalization designed to dampen the pain they feel because Rei lost to Asuka.
>>14091468
>We see giant Lilith dying and her LCL (the souls of humans) sprayed onto the moon, around her, into the sea.
No, not the LCL. The red, dots, the floating souls are what we see expelled. Not the "blood", the LCL.
This separation, which breaks everything Instrumentality is about, shows that you're wrong.
What has happened to the rest is that they are shapeless, they are no longer within instrumentality. For fucks sake, get your shit straight or just don't bother replying. The same happens with Shinji in episode 19, he's lost his human form but he isn't in any instrumentality. He's "tang" as we jokingly call it.
Rei does it every time she dies, her body is removed but her soul is salvageable and can be attached to a new body for revival.
But instrumentality, the joining of all souls unto one, ended when Shinji decided that it wasn't a good idea after all, and with that, SEELE's dream spills right into the drain.
>>14091469
Man, it has been years since I last saw the original NGE and the most I remember are just some episodes, like the that they had a blackout and the three worked together to defeat the acid spider angel or the one in the volcano and that one who trapped Shinji in a alternate dimension
>>14091476
There's no difference between instrumentality and existed as LCL/tang.
What Shinji experiences in episode 19 is no different from what he experiences in EoE.
>>14091432
Of course it's bullshit. I've heard that interpretation before, and without fail it comes from an Asuka fan.
It's the only recourse they have left to justify that everyone doesn't like Asuka, and everyone doesn't choose Asuka. So of course they have to make up some nonsense about Evangelion is about choosing the "right waifu" and whatnot.
>>14091493
Then you're quite clearly delusional. If that was the case, all they had to do was to kill all of mankind then, or just reduce themselves to tang.
The conjoining of ALL souls unto one is not the same as ONE PERSON being disembodied for an episode and a half. I think you've overdosed on yaoi doujins and can no longer think straight.
>>14091502
>all they had to do was to kill all of mankind then
That's what SEELE was trying to do. And the only way to be reduced to tang is by Lilith or via the way Shinji was in the show. It's not the same, but the experiences were similar. Anyway, what you said about theme existing as souls is fanwank. They are LCL until they can reform their physical forms, that's why Shinji comes from the sea.
>>14091502
Not that anon but from wehat I understand what Seelee wanted was to have everyone get tanged and fuse all souls into Unit 01 and create some sort of super god that would exist until the end of time, only thanks to Gendo fucking up and with Shinji telling both to go fuck themselves humanity was just left in the primordial soup until they wanted to become people again with only Yui managing to win and become the super god unit 01 that will exist alone until the end of the universe as she says in the closing narration.
The original plan was to have everyone inside Unit 01 but since that fialed they are all in the LCL as Shinji himself was in episode 19 because it failed and only one soul got bound to unit 01, I don't even think Gendo got to stay with his wife
>>14073753
Anno's busy directing the new godzilla.
>>14091438
I can't help but get the impression you're sexually aroused by Kaworu to the point where you want him to disappear from you life.
>>14091520
They repeatedly say "joining all souls unto one" in the show. Fuck off idiot.
>>14091522
Bottom line: SEELE didn't get what they wanted.
>>14091947
They're one with everyone right now except Asuka and Shinji.
They got what they wanted.
>>14091988
They're not "one" with anyone. Everyone is separated, but not joined in the End of Evangelion because Shinji decided to undo instrumentality.
SEELE got fucked, and they certainly didn't get the whole "creation of a super god" plan to work out.
>>14092005
Then explain the LCL ocean. All those souls had to go somewhere.
>>14092012
Doesn't matter where they went - the point is that SEELE wanted them all joined as one. When they ended instrumentality, all the souls were released and set free.
They could be floating around earth, they could have fell into the sea, whichever way they went, they aren't in the instrumentality-state SEELE wanted.
>>14092021
We're only shown everyone as LCL in the movie, so we have to assume they're still in the form of LCL until they conjure a body.
That means they're all together as LCL, in the ocean, on the moon, whatever. The point is SEELE doesn't have to feel rejection; and that means they got what they wanted.
>>14092035
No. When people get raptures, their body is turned to a lliquid. But you can see their soul floating away.
The soul is what is part of instrumentality, not the lcl.
>>14092066
LCL is the primordial soup of life.
>>14092035
SEELE's goal was never just to not feel rejection. They had grand plans about artificially evolving mankind, and using the power to become as gods.
Floating around with form doesnt match that, and they were thwarted in the end.
>>14092072
They seemed pretty happy when they were being tanged though
>>14092070
Are you just being stupid now?
>>14092078
That is what LCL is.
>>14092077
Because they thought they would be getting what they wanted.
They didnt account for Shinji and Rei being able to undo it.
>>14092083
You are just being stupid then.
Because that has jack all to do with whats being discussed?
>>14092096
I don't think instrumentality was undone, because then there would be people on the beach besides Asuka and Shinji
