Who else has been reading LOGH? What do you think so far? So
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Who else has been reading LOGH? What do you think so far?
So far it's been a great read, aside from some typos here and there.
>>14028399
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Aside from the typos you mentioned, it's an excellent read. Can't wait for the next ones!
>>14028399
Would this be eligible for a Hugo? I realize it was written decades ago, but the translation is new.
>>14028511
Not eligible and frankly not worth one.
I'm trying not to spend all my time reading it comparing it to the anime, but there is one curious element I'm noticing between the two.
Ishiguro's decision to treat it more as a historical document and subsequently be more prone to foreshadowing if not outright saying what's coming down the pipe where Tanaka likes to cut away from certain moments to maintain an element of surprise for what's coming.
It's interesting to read this and then look at how the adaptation differed there. Curious choice for Ishiguro to go with.
>>14028399
I have the audiobook, so I have no typos to worry over. As such I've really no problems with the translation, editing, or even the narration. I'd go so far as to say I think the narrator nails a few of the voices, Oberstein in particular, and would do great as him in a dub.
What I do have a problem with is is that it's making me realize I hate the central characters. I hate that Reinhard is so perfect and without flaw. And that he's rarely descibed without reference to just how dreamy he is. He has none of the issues dictators normally fall prey to, like yes men, cults of personality and so on. And it makes me think Rudolf von Goldenbaum would be a more interesting lead since he had those issues. Lots of them. I also dislike Kircheis, who may as well be called Reinhard 0.5, not quite as Reinhard. And Annerose, who is nothing but an Uncle Ben inspirational figure for Reinhard (and Kircheis to a lesser degree).
I've always kind of disliked Reinhard though. Now I kind of dislike Yang too though. Hearing him grumble about how he can't do anything is getting on my tits already after 8 chapters (of 10), and watching the anime again since I'm reading the book I had no problems in My Conquest is the Sea of Stars, but I hated him in the first episode of the OVA proper, since he spent a lot of time looking off camera pensively, like a lost puppy, and I wanted to kick him every time.
You don't get to grumble how you can't do anything when you sit there thinking about how your government is going to send 30 million people off to die to secure their next 4 year term and nothing more, then do nothing about it beyond raising some feeble objections. He raises an objection to Admiral Fog (I think) that such a long convoy could be flanked in enemy territory, to which he basically goes "Well maybe they'll attack a different (and dumb) way. Ever think of that Mr. Pessimist?", which shuts Yang up immediately and makes him think he has no point arguing.
>>14028561
The narrative is meant to be interpreted as historical documentary as far as I understand it.
Maybe for the sake of entertaining the reader some surprises are withheld, but there are no surprises when it comes to history; history is the continuum of events that have already happened.
>>14028592
If you give up at the first, simple sign of protest, then don't act like you're better you asshole. He just passively goes along with everything while acting like it's all beyond him and and it grinds the shit out of me, cause he absolutely could do more and the story acts like I'm expected to find him right despite that.
Legend of Galactic Heroes has some great world-building and stuff, but listening to it is making me realize how much I dislike the central characters and possibly even the premise.
>>14028600
Nevertheless, it's still interesting how each take approaches that idea.
Despite being much more omniscient in its voice, Tanaka's prose seems more prudent in what/when it chooses to reveal compared to Ishiguro's narrator.
Allows for another little notch of enjoyment between the two versions for different reasons.
>>14028592
>he's rarely descibed without reference to just how dreamy he is
I heard the Vampire Hunter D novels do this too
>>14028627
Also worth considering the part where the series ostensibly targeted fans of the books and when you're marketing your OVA to people who know what's going to happen there's probably no point in trying to hide things.
>>14028643
Unless the LoGH novels double down on it, VHD will be the reigning champion on this front. It goes beyond just how dreamy D is to outright saying how much women, and even some men, want him.
About the only other character I can think of who gets such a thorough figurative knob polishing from their source material would be Amaterasu/Ladios Sopp from FSS.
I'm surprised that the entire first 2 chapters is just the Battle of Astarte.
How good is the translation? I remember reading a fan translation, and it read like shit.
Obviously this is done professionally, but how does Tanaka's prose come through? Could someone maybe post a picture of a page?
>>14028985
Here's an excerpt:
http://www.haikasoru.com/excerpt-for-legend-of-the-galactic-heroes-volume-1-dawn/excerpt-from-legend-of-the-galactic-heroes-volume-1-dawn/
Tanaka's writing mostly comes across like a historian or academic with regular sarcastic commentary.
So I was thinking of getting this, but I've never seen the anime despite it being on my list for years, I assume that because the anime is an adaptation of this that that won't kill me?
>>14029039
From all indications, the anime reasonably faithfully adapts the books, with some changes. Some events are emphasized more in the anime than the books, and some characters play more of a part in the anime, but the books have more interesting background/worldbuilding stuff than the anime does. I would recommend watching/reading both, but one or the other should give you a comprehensive experience as well.
https://a.uguu.se/djgfcg_DawnLegendoftheGalacticHeroesVol.mp3
>>14029037
>we need to get to the battlefield ASAP
/lit/ Elitism has really narrowed down my tastes, but Its good enough to read considering how much I liked the anime.
Thanks
>>14029059
I'm not seeing the issue.
>>14029109
Just don't like the fact that they use ASAP. To mean it sounds more like what a teenager would say than an FPA Fleet Admiral.
Though on the other hand I would prefer a verbose and dry historical retelling which I realize would be a bit obtuse for a light novel, so ignore my opinions.
>>14029119
I see.
>so ignore my opinions
I do that for everything I see here, so you don't need to worry about that.
>>14028519
The Hugos have sucked for years though.
Even before the list fuckery. Same problem with the Oscars, the voting body doesn't reflect quality so much as thematic preference.
>>14028519
>>14029205
Even the creator of Babylon 5 would agree with you. The Hugos have changed over the years that like the Oscars they're ruled by politics more than anything else.
It's become a worthless award.
>>14029205
>>14029539
So take it back. That's what the Puppies are there for, after all.
>>14028592
>I also dislike Kircheis, who may as well be called Reinhard 0.5
>Implying Kircheis wouldn't overshadow Reinhard completely if Annerose told him to beat the shit out of her otouto and prove he's the better man
Kircheis literally held himself back whenever needed so Reinhard could get the spotlight, and was always the more calm and composed of the two. Notice how Reinhard would always defer to Kircheis when making decisions, yet the only thing Kircheis ever defers to Reinhard is simply asking what course he wishes to plot so red head can plan around that. The only thing he lacked was ambition and even that's arguable cause he was aiming for the certified #1 pussy of a galactic empire.
>>14028602
That's the author's gimmick though, always has been always will be. Refer to Arslan and Tytania if you want proof.
>>14029729
Oh fuck off with this mindless Kircheis wanking. You have nothing backing up the claim that he just held himself back, it's an assumption. You're no better than people who think Lapp was better than Yang.
>>14028592
>that Reinhard is so perfect and without flaw.
In the anime he has lots of flaws. Pretty obvious ones that Kircheis and the people surrounding him made up for.
>>14028399
I can't wait for mine to come, probably won't arrive until Saturday or Monday at the latest considering we've got a bank holiday with Easter coming up this week.
Anyone else planning a rewatch of the first season and series in general, which episodes do the first novel cover?
okay i need to ask - is the "alcohol is humanity's friend" line in the book
I NEED TO KNOW
>>14031367
I don't think they got to that point but the books. But Julian and Frederica are concerned about Yang's growing booze consumption
>>14029053
Well I bought it, dunno when I'll actually get to it but I look forward to something something semicircles
I honestly don't know much about LoGH besides names and something something semicircles
>>14030514
What are you talking about? Literally every instance where Reinhard gets butt fucked during his early years, he gets saved by Kircheis.
Every single discussion made between the two goes according to what I said. One asks for a second opinion and basically always defers to that second opinion meaning Reinhard relies on Kircheis's thoughts over his own. On the flip side, the only thing Kircheis asks is for mere confirmation because he's the servant in their relationship.
Do you really think Kircheis would be below Reinhard if Kircheis had the ambition to climb higher? You're fucking retarded and can't see shit.
I bet you're one of those Oberfags who can only read lines that give you a boner for confirmation bias and ignore everything in front of you, like oh I don't know the actual results?
Kircheis has always been a Gary Stu, that's exactly why he dies early. It's literally his entire purpose. Notice how no one, literally fucking no one ever even hints or implies that no matter how successful Reinhard or guys like the twin stars get, that they surpassed Kircheis. No, it's only "If only Kircheis were here".
How about you fucking read the book or watch the show? Do I have to tell you how to Google too Mr. Fork?
>>14030569
That's not what he means. He means whenever the novels describe him, they wank off to Reinhard with a thousand adjectives and such about how awesome he is.
>>14033156
Oh, it's you. I'm not having this discussion with you. You literally ruined the last thread I found you in with your acidity and you just drop the arguments you lose while calling everyone else a retard.
I heavily advise everyone in this thread to not engage this guy, just move on. You'll be here all day.
And so it begins, the steady decline of LoGH threads.
>>14035259
Get ready for normalfags to swarm around LOGH
>>14035762
Honestly I think that's very optimistic.
I have a feeling the only people who are going to be reading these are already fans.
>>14035762
Patience please, that's going to happen when the new anime is released.
>tfw there will finally be active LOGH threads, but they will be shit
>>14035796
>New anime in 2017
Forgot about that, I kind of hope it goes beyond episode 110 and sees what happens to the peace Rhinehard created. I remember Tanaka saying something about how he wants to explore that. Not sure if he'll do it in a new novel or anime but I definitely remember hearing it at some point.
>LOGH will get the Game of Thrones fanbase eventually
Just imagine
>>14035804
Is that supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing?
>>14035824
Bad.
Before GOT, ASOIAF had a very small and mild dedicated fanbase, much like LOGH. Then the TV show came along, the books became more popular and things started to get pretty cancerous. Same thing will happen to Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
>>14035838
Except ASOIAF got exposure through an insanely popular show on one of America's most-viewed networks, not a translated novel that barely anyone has read.
>>14035838
Difference is that we'll still have the old anime to wank off to. Normies will stay clear of anything they think is dated.
>>14035796
>new anime is released
>rubinsky is a light skinned girl
>a few random comic relief characters are added on the empire's side
>even more "if only kircheis was here"
>earth history won't be as harsh on degeneracy
>rudolph will somehow be even more of a space hitler
>reuenthal will be evil and conniving instead of a victim of history and his own pride
>obvious death flagging will be added in
the last one especially; there really aren't many good death flags for most of the characters that die, which i really liked in the anime. it took me by a huge surprise both whenyang and shoenkopfwere killed.
>>14035898
>victim of history
>not victim of oberstein
reminder that paul von oberstein did not have to do any of the things he did, he was a blemish on reinhard's record and getting blown up doesn't make that any less true
>>14035857
Just wait, new anime in 2017, that gets immensely popular, then the movie, then the western adaptation, and then the HBO series where Kircheis and Reinhard are literal fags and have numerous sex scenes, they work sex scenes into every episode, many of the male admirals are gender swapped to give the cast more diversity, all Yang needs to capture Iserlohn is 20 good men.
It'll be a nightmare.
>>14035905
Reminder that Oberstein did nothing wrong
>tfw you will never sacrifice innocent civilians, your friends, and your own life to secure the safety and longevity of the Lohengramm dynasty.
>>14035931
Don't worry, the inevitable flop of Hollywood's GITS remake will kill their interest in anime IP for at least 5 years.
>>14035960
I'm just glad GITs will more than likely fail, if they really wanted it to succeed they would've gotten someone like Nolan then again I'm not so sure if GITS would be suited to his style, he would draw in the normalfag crowd for sure.
>>14029119
It's military speak, my whole family is ex-military, they talk like that
>>14029119
The phrase ASAP originates from the Korean War as army jargon. So the characters using it while being in a navy if nothing if not faithful
>>14035762
Most normalfags aren't going to read these books
>>14035931
HBO can't even get an adaptation of Foundation off the ground, and they've been trying for 20 fucking years. LoGH has no chance.
>>14036121
It's began
Anyone got a download or a rip? Poorfag here.
>>14036838
Just register to Audible and buy the audio book for free.
>>14035762
>normalfags to swarm around LOGH
>normalfags
>1970's space opera novel
>in a very literal translation
Haha, no.
>mfw the Tom Cruise Yukikaze movie won't even bring in enough fresh blood to cross the shitpost threshold
I don't think it's an enviable position, what with WHEN'S UNBROKEN ARROW
>>14035931
>>14035779
I think Haikasoru said the books are selling very well, but yeah, I doubt "normalfags" will start infesting LoGH anytime soon. "Very good" sales for a translation of a Japanese novel is hardly equivalent to, say, Game of Thrones popularity, as anon mentioned above.
>>14036967
>1970s space opera novel
>1970s
You sure about that?
>>14037556
The paperback is in Amazon's best seller list around 9000. It's 300 in military sf. The normies are going to take our toys away any day now.
>>14038470
So this means we're definitely getting 4-6 then if the sales of the first volume are turning out good.
>>14028592
>I hate that Reinhard is so perfect and without flaw.
Did you actually watch the series first?
Because you're treating these like traits exclusive to the novel, when they're still just as present in the series.
I don't know how you could have gotten through the show with complaints like this.
>>14039410
That's just the sales rank, not the number of units moved. I have no idea if they're selling well enough to keep Haikasoru going.
Anyone know what events the fourth volume cover? I have a Japanese first edition of it.
>>14038470
>>14037556
it only takes one popular social media """""""""""""nerd"""""""""""""" to catapult it from obscurity
even game of throne took a while for normies to pick it up
>>14029681
The Puppies were just a bunch of dumb fucks that a publisher turned into his personal army so they would vote up his books. It's pathetic that anyone fell for it.
>>14039598
You're right
>even game of throne took a while for normies to pick it up
The series didn't start gaining traction until A Feast for Crows was published, things started to spiral once the TV series was announced and eventually came out.
Then again anime, manga and Japanese sci-fi novels aren't big bank yet with Hollywood but who knows. All You Need is Kill proved decently at the box office and it all depends on whether Gits and Death Note do well. Hollywood are trying to currently tap into the market but I don't know whether it will take off like Capeshit has.
>it only takes one popular social media """""""""""""nerd"""""""""""""" to catapult it from obscurity
Or a celebrity of some sorts, now we just play the waiting game.
>>14039614
do you often get triggered by three day old posts?
>>14038470
>It's 300 in military sf.
Yeah but how many of those do we even get these days?
I don't see it gaining giant amounts of traction
Maybe with the Star Trek audience, but otherwise LoGH is just a little too dry for most people. Not to mention the glacial pacing.
>>14039645
>>14039850
This.
GOT is basically the peak of TV budget and they barely have enough for one big battle a season. How are you going to get spaceships on live action TV?
Anime doesn't get big without dubs, especially celebrity voice actors, but LOGH is so long that it would be too expensive to do that.
>>14039840
I just want some fun gritty military sci fi that isn't trying to be self-conscious about it. Honor Harrington jumped the shark and nothing replaced it.
guys, logh has spent years in the top 10 on MAL
its not obscure, everyone that knows anime knows it already
>>14040227
>GOT is basically the peak of TV budget
No, you dumb fuck.
HBO is owned by cheapskate jews who at the same time are not empowered by commercials.
>>14040322
>10 million dollars for the pilot and 6 million for a show with few big name actors.
LOL pocket change
>>14028592
But Reinhard is pretty deeply flawed. That reveals itself after he's Kaiser, and has no real clear ambition any more. With nothing driving him, Reinhard pursues the only challenge left to him, defeating Yang and annexing the FPA pointlessly instead of just making peace. Which of course leads to millions upon millions of deaths on both sides. Dude couldn't mellow out. Who cares if he's pretty? He's still kind of a dickhead.
>>14040227
CG space battles aren't that hard or expensive. Even sci-fi shit like Stargate and Battlestar managed. Spaceships and live action isn't a big deal, probably easier than Fantasy desu.
>>14040422
>CG space battles aren't that hard or expensive. Even sci-fi shit like Stargate and Battlestar
Let me stop you there to point out how sparingly they had fleet action on a per episode basis for BSG.
>>14040499
Even still, lots of shows manage. Space is nice by virtue of being black and empty. Doing Logh in CG wouldn't really break the bank, no more so than animating that shit which the shoestring budget OVA did. Most of the ships would just be represented by lights anyway.
>>14040560
Rendering costs can be pretty pricey. I'd expect battles to occur from the POV of ship bridges with the occasional semicircle hologram.
>>14040588
Most likely, since that's what they did in the OVA for the most part anyway. I'm just saying it wouldn't be any more pricey than any other show that employs CG.
>>14040593
Yeah but people blindly write off CGI work as being cheap as if rendering was a free cost process.
>>14028399
I'm making my way through it, it's really enjoyable. On the one hand, it's not a replacement for the anime series--like Anon mentioned above, some favorite characters like Dusty don't appear, at least not in the first novel. But on the other hand, there's even more background on the universe and setting. There's one passage that describes how using human servants is actually a mark of "conspicuous consumption" (so to speak) on Odin because you're paying for people to do jobs drones could do. It's really fascinating. I hope the books are selling well, this one is great. A web of political infighting on both sides slowly reveals itself, but Huddleston's prose is so slavishly devoted to Tanaka's original Japanese text that the path towards the meat of the book quickly becomes a slog. It's easy to lose interest long before the action picks up (no thanks to the unnecessary, lengthy prologue, absent in the fan-favorite anime adaptation). Huddleston's translation can be a bit stiff at times, and there are a handful of copy errors, like one misspelling of armada as "srmada." It doesn't help that Tanaka's nearly 35-year-old plot has aged rather poorly; with its overwhelmingly male-dominated story and shallow female characters, it's hard to find a place for this series among today's more nuanced SF.
>>14043101
I don't understand why my post from a couple weeks ago combined with the Publisher's Weekly review is now copypasta ;_;
