Just picked this up, heard it was good. When do the robots come in?
>>14024708
The ending, a little bit in the second game, but mostly in Trails of Cold Steel.
>>14024742
>Trails of Cold Steel.
I swear they picked that name for giggles
>>14024983
they took it from the battle theme's title, and i doubt the japs know about our little memes
Is it wrong that I only want 3rd Chapter just to play as most /m/ character?
>>14025515
Looks more like a /jp/ character desu senpai.
>>14025515
I want 3rd for the Priest.
Far and away the most likeable guy in the second game.
>>14025518
>>14025530
He's pretty much Vash the Stampede, but priest.
>>14025536
I haven't finish the game yet. Don't tell me he's actually the strongest battle priest out there and he was sent alone because he's goddamn OP.
>>14025568
Fine, we won't tell you then
>>14024983
You do know that's a common phrase rite
Wny was Estelle so based, /m/?
>>14028761
Cute competent tomboy is based? I wonder why. The writing makes anyone in the game hard to hate.
>>14028782
She could've been a stock tsundere, given how bland and cliche the game looks on the surface.
I was kinda surprised at how much I enjoyed this game.
>>14024708
Isn't the fact that there's robots a spoiler?
>>14024742
cybuster pls
>>14028790
Falcom games are always kinda like that, they look like even blander versions of your trope filled JRPG schlock, but while they still have plenty of cliches, they're more subdued and "honest" about them, and they end up being pretty endearing when coupled with the attention to detail and ridiculous amounts of worldbuilding.
Try out Ys sometime if you like Legend of Heroes, they're fucking baller and would've killed the Zelda series if America had taste.
>>14028825
>Ys
Always read about it, guess its time to give it a go.
>>14024708
5 games later.
>>14028835
Try "in the very first game".
>>14028825
>would've killed the Zelda series if America had taste.
Don't blame America, blame Falcom's release platforms. Falcom has always made great games, but for the wrong platforms. All of the definitive versions of Falcom games were on systems like the PC-98, Turbo Duo, PC (for a Jp market), PSP and Vita.
>>14029083
Since the latter two are dead in the water, maybe they'll stand a chance now, since they'd have to focus on the PC and/or whatever PS console.
>>14025534
>Estelle slapped Renne
>not bending her over and spanking that young, supple ass for being a naughty, naughty girl
>>14029171
Was Olivier a CHAR?
>>14029192
Now what makes you say that? That sounds like crazy talk from a crazy person.
>>14029201
Now all he needs is a mother figure.
>>14029380
>Pater-Mater could have been a father and a mother to me
>>14024983
It's a reference to the railroads, among other things
>>14029201
Not to mention he gets a red airship later.
>>14029131
Vita is pretty alive in Japan particularly in the otaku games market.
who is best coldsteel and why is it not pic related
>>14030618
Well, at least XSEED will remain on standby to always publish future Ys installments, given that everyone else in the West has just about given up on the system aside from Indie companies.
>>14030650
Sword girl is superior
>>14030781
you areabsolutely correct
>>14030667
They even localized Brandish on PSP last year. Who even bought PSP games nowadays?
>>14030667
>2K went to the effort to port XCOM to Vita and then put zero marketing into it
>>14029192
No, he was abest.
>>14025084
[citation needed]
>>14032688
What does any of that have to do with memes?
>>14029201
His outfit reminds me of Faiz gear for some reason.
>>14024708
Evo 3rd coming
>>14035505
Shame we can't get the Evo games I'm English due to licensing complications.
>>14035651
They're not exactly "objectively" better, so it's not that big a deal.
The new environment graphics do look nice, but if I'm speaking personally, the new music kinda sucks, the new art is generic soulless animoo, and I don't really need or want full voice acting. But to each their own.
>>14035841
>the new art is generic soulless animoo
The same could be said for the old art, to be fair.
>>14035856
Nah, all the old art had way more emotion to it. The new stuff is all just the same nothing pose with mouths and eyes swapped around.
>>14035901
You're wrong, but this doesn't seem like the kind of thing I'd be able to convince you of anyway.
>>14035908
You could try presenting an argument, for one. I try to be open minded, but I can't think of a single thing I like better about the new art than the old.
>>14035929
I don't see "brainless bimbo" anywhere in there.
So, where do I start? What's in English?
>>14035929
There's no real noticeable difference between the them; they all look pretty bad.
>>14028761
Because she's astoundingly optimistic, outgoing, and determined to face adversity, but written so well that those traits don't become grating. She's flawed, very flawed initially, but able to demonstrate true character growth over the course of the series. When characters comment on how her optimism and upbeat attitude make her "shine like the sun," it's something that the games actually demonstrate. She has moments of weakness, but presses on instead of angsting about them. Even when things look their bleakest. Theescape from the Gloriousis probably the best demonstration of this. Top it off with some genuine heroism and it's just hard not to like her.
>>14035841
>>14035901
>the new art is generic soulless animoo,
Oh it's this faggot. I see him bitch on /v/ all the time.
>>14035929
No, he's right. You're stuck in your ways.
>>14036219
I've never even been on /v/ mate.
All I'm saying is I like the old art. I'm not gonna shit on anyone's face, at this point I'm just genuinely curious what people like about the new art, because I don't see the appeal unless a very slightly fatter Estelle gets you going.
>>14036010
What's in English so far is Trails in the Sky, Trails in the Sky SC, and Trails of Cold Steel, in that order. Trails of Cold Steel 2 will be released in English in the fall, followed by Trails in the Sky the 3rd early next year.
>>14036235
>I've never even been on /v/ mate.
Uh huh. Sure.
>>14035901
Really liked Estelle's smug expression in the old art, specially when she had her eyes closed, priceless kinda like pic related
>>14036235
>don't see the appeal unless a very slightly fatter Estelle gets you going.
old art looks fatter to me
>>14036235
Its Lunar all over again, but in a shorter time lapse.
>>14036235
Gonna have to agree with him here, I've never seen the new art before and I've only recently started the game but the old stuff looks better. The new ones don't really convey the expressions as well, or maybe it's because I'm seeing the entire range of the old art next to like 4 images of the new art.
>>14037153
The level of expression is the same between the two, objectively speaking. You just prefer it because of the art style.
>>14036309
I like you.
>>14036309
>>14036235
I think I like old Estelle's faces better but her arms are too beefy for my dick.
>>14037196
I don't know, but the new art just looks too flat to have expression. I think that's exactly what it is, actually. The colors on the new art are flat, especially the skin, while the old portraits had a little bit of depth. Or maybe it's the angle. The head-on angle looks like it fits the expressions more than the off-center one, especially when her mouth is open. I don't have this problem with many things but maybe I'm just autistic. The old art just looks better to me and maybe it's 100% preference but I'll still stick to it.
>>14037216
She's a tough melee'ing tomboy. You can't expect her to have dainty thin Code Geass arms.
>>14037271
Bro this is RPG world. A tough meleeing tomboy could be anything from a 36 year old chain-smoker who is also somehow a fitness enthusiast to a 12 year old toothpick who hits like a truck. Berserker.
>>14037249
>I don't know, but the new art just looks too flat to have expression. I think that's exactly what it is, actually. The colors on the new art are flat, especially the skin, while the old portraits had a little bit of depth.
They both use the same two-tone color scheme.
>Or maybe it's the angle. The head-on angle looks like it fits the expressions more than the off-center one
There's no difference in how expressive they look based on that. They both just use a static face while changing the mouth and eyes to invoke expression. They literally use same exact method and have about the same level of detail. In fact, the newer portraits actually have a little more facial detail in the way of visible teeth and lines around the eyes to give depth. The old one just has simple eyes and mouth with blush lines on the cheeks.
>maybe it's 100% preference
It is. You're just don't realize what's a baseless opinion and what's substantiated. You like one over the other and to you that means that obviously it's better or has more to it because you like it. In reality, you only like one better than the other because you encountered one of them first and set that one as "the way it should be" in your mind.
>>14036235
I think I do have a slight preference for the original art over the newer version, butthe real tragedy was her outfit change in SC.
>>14037249
>The colors on the new art are flat, especially the skin, while the old portraits had a little bit of depth.
The old portraits had more detailed shading, and used slight gradients. That's probably what you're seeing.
>>14037308
I think it boils down to just preferring classic Falcom art over something that looks like it could come out of just about any game or anime.
>>14037622
>The old portraits had more detailed shading
They don't.
>and used slight gradients
It doesn't. Also, the new art actually does use gradients.
>>14037624
>I think it boils down to just preferring classic Falcom art over something that looks like it could come out of just about any game or anime.
This is such a pathetic comment. Are you really that antagonistic about it? When you get down to it, they're both fairly run of the mill styles. You're crazy.
>>14037630
>It doesn't.
Are you blind?
>Also, the new art actually does use gradients.
Much more sparingly.
>>14037633
You're literally the only person in the thread showing the slightest semblance of antagonism, mate. Just chill, nothing's that important.
>>14037624
>something that looks like it could come out of just about any game or anime
Like classic Falcom style art, for example.
>>14037658
Are you about done?
>>14037677
Don't you be confusing me with other people now m8, I just got to this thread.
>>14037649
Whatever makes you feel okay with yourself. But all of my post have been objective while you're just shitposting your opinions all over this thread.
>>14037677
He's right, though.
>>14037216
Anon, she's spent her entire life learning how to hit things with a stick. That's going to build some upper body strength. Besides,
>liking twig arms
>>14037639
So now you're moving the goalpost from
>doesn't have gradients
to
>not enough!!11
I know you'll come up with any half assed reasons to try and assert while your completely subjective preference is somehow better, but this is ridiculous.
>>14029171
>>14036309
>>14037649
>>14037677
>>14037690
>le reaction image poster
(You)
>>14037694
I'm not asserting jack shit, and I never said that the Evo art lacked gradients. I was simply responding to >>14037249 with an explanation of what he seemed to prefer in the old portraits. If you're determined to interpret that as some kind of attack on your opinions, that's your own problem.
>>14037308
>They both use the same two-tone color scheme.
Older pictures clearly have soft shadows around the whole face giving it depth. Look at the nose and cheekbones or the three shades of light on her neck. The colors on the new art are uniform and separated by distinct lines. It's a different style but it's stupid to deny the differences.
>In fact, the newer portraits actually have a little more facial detail in the way of visible teeth and lines around the eyes to give depth. The old one just has simple eyes and mouth with blush lines on the cheeks.
Stylistic choices. Not everyone shows teeth when they open their mouths and the eyes have nothing to do with depth, they simply changed shape and slightly updated the style.
>It is. You're just don't realize what's a baseless opinion and what's substantiated. You like one over the other and to you that means that obviously it's better or has more to it because you like it.
That's actually exactly what I was getting at in my post retard, which is why the arguments became more baseless as the post continued until they reached resignation, but you're so hopped up on letting people know that you're right all the time on the internet that you couldn't see. But when I see the second face, it doesn't jump out at me the way the original art does. It seems like it's flat on the screen. Call it character, call it style, but the right one doesn't look as good to me. That's all I said.
>In reality, you only like one better than the other because you encountered one of them first and set that one as "the way it should be" in your mind.
I don't do this with basically any other redesign. This isn't nostalgiashit or me bring stuck in old ways or an attachment to one or the other. Like I've said from the beginning (which you would have realized if you read the post I responded to) this is about preference.
>>14037686
But you're the only one shitposting, or at least you're one of two people. I only made one statement saying I like a thing, and you're pretending I'm not allowed to like it. Why do you even care? You didn't make the game.
Just have fun and talk about Kiseki, yo.
>>14037701
>I'm not asserting jack shit
That's factually incorrect seeing as you made a post describing the traits of something.
>I was simply responding to >>14037249
No, you responded to >>14037630 (You) in your post >>14037639
>If you're determined to interpret that as some kind of attack on your opinions
I've never given my opinion.
Please stop being retarded. It'll save everyone trouble.
I got a feeling it will be September. Just enough time to play through it again.
>>14037720
Holy shit, all of these replies to a simple disagreement. By the way I'm
>>14037249
>>14037153
And that's it.
>>14037720
>Older pictures clearly have soft shadows around the whole face giving it depth
No, it has a shadow tone, a light shadow tone, skin tone and highlights.
>the eyes have nothing to do with depth, they simply changed shape and slightly updated the style.
This is probably one of the dumbest statements I've read ITT. The lines around the eye are a detail to outline the underlying eyeball like you would see in real people.
>That's actually exactly what I was getting at in my post retard
I was agreeing with your "maybe it's 100% preference" statement and expounding on it, mr. retardo.
>I don't do this with basically any other redesign
I don't give a single fuck about your claims. Stick to the topic at hand.
>which you would have realized if you read the post I responded to
I agree'd with it. Please learn to read, you're leaking stupid everywhere.
>>14037723
>I only made one statement saying I like a thing, and you're pretending I'm not allowed to like it.
Which post? The only claim I've ever made is that liking one or the other is preference and objectively the art is at the same level, because some posters are trying to rationalize their opinion as some kind of artistic fact like
>the new one doesn't convey emotion as well!!!11
So stop making things up.
>>14035856
Whether or not you like the older artstyle more it is a fact that the original art has way more expressions. One could argue that this makes the newer games objectively inferior at expressing.
>>14037758
Prove that there are only four facial expression in EVO.
>>14037302
>like a truck. Berserker.
>>14037762
>Prove thing that you can't prove
>I win!
You've got this down to an art, I see.
>>14037774
Are you new to this whole proof for your claims concept? You think it's a conspiracy against you? Fucking crazy.
>>14037775
What claims? M8, you were the one who brought 'only four facial expressions' into it. I only stated my assumption as if it were fact, which I know is not a wise thing to do. My assumption is based on evidence that others have posted time and time again and I don't care enough to track that shit down. You can win if it means that much to you.
>>14037786
>What claims?
>>14037758
>it is a fact that the original art has way more expressions
Didn't even read the rest of your shitpost m80
>>14037302
I see no issue with either.
>>14037740
>No, it has a shadow tone, a light shadow tone, skin tone and highlights.
And all the gradients in between. New art has high contrast between colors and almost no highlight.
>The lines around the eye are a detail to outline the underlying eyeball like you would see in real people.
I can't tell if you mean the lines on the circumference of the eyeball or the ones near where the eye socket and bridge of the nose meet. The lines actually touching the eyeball are present in the original art. The others are accomplished using shading instead. If you can't tell where the eyeball is on the old art then you're blind. But for yet another time, these are stylistic choices. Neither one is closer on a chart of objective artistry for anime girl faces, you're just denying features that is clearly present because you think I'm stating objective superiority.
>I was agreeing with your "maybe it's 100% preference" statement and expounding on it
But you added shit like "You like one over the other and to you that means that obviously it's better or has more to it because you like it." which is a disagreement, dipshit. I stated which one was better in my eyes.
>I don't give a single fuck about your claims. Stick to the topic at hand.
Your claim of my liking one due to the order in which I saw them was unsubstantiated and I responded to say it wasn't.
>which you would have realized if you read the post I responded toI agree'd with it. Please learn to read, you're leaking stupid everywhere.
No, you seem to think I am basing this all on objectivity of quality when I'm stating what I like about the old art and what it makes me feel. My first post was me agreeing with the guy who said he liked the old art and I offered a reason why I liked one over the other. Since then you've been blatantly denying qualities in the original art for no reason other than to argue. I don't know if you're a shitposter or just assblasted but it's pathetic.
>>14037747
Oh shit, is that what this is all about? Because I didn't say it conveyed emotion as well TO ME? Even when I was replying to a post asking what specific features people find more or less appealing in the new art? And then you continued to reply and state that I have been saying one was better or worse than the other even after I stated outright that it was 100% preference?
Fantastic. Shitfits over nothing. The cancer that is killing /m/, or so I'd like to say if we weren't in such a bad state already.
How are the steam versions compared to the psp ones?
>>14037828
Dunno, I only have the steam version. I play with a controller though. I don't have any complaints, it runs smoothly and looks great.
>>14036243
Not the anon that originally asked the question but thanks. Do you guys think it's possible for them to eventually release a compilation of those games for either ps3 or ps4? I don't own a psp and I would like to play them in order (my pc is a toaster so emulating psp is not an option).
>>14038020
FC and SC are on Steam, and I dunno about you but my shitty dinosaur of a laptop can still run them without much problem. TC is going to be on Steam too.
>>14038027
Thank you.
>>14035841
It's all arguable, but i think everyone agree that the opening suck hard. Even nips.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/o/ASIN/B015SXH6HS/gamernejp-22/ref=nosim
>>14028761
violent twintails tsundere is what japan worships
>>14030618
Yeah... no. With less than 5million units sold in japan, it's struggling to beat out wii u in japanese sales. As a handheld, it's a complete flop, with 3DS killing it 4:1.
>>14024742
How long will it take in Cold Steel?
It better not be like in Xenoblade where I had to wait like 50 chapters or some shit
>>14039439
About 60 hours, it's after what appears to be the final boss, but before the true final boss. Though one party member you get half way through has a robot sidekick they fight with.
>>14024742
>mostly in Cold Steel
Try mostly in Cold Steel 2.
>>14037828
Not that much different. It's better to play in PC though because of HD.
and you're going to sit for a long time anyway
>>14043245
It's better to play on PC because PSP is riddled with translation errors up to and including reverse meanings and literal machine output past about chapter 1 or so, and because you can use Cheat Engine speedhack to make all the walking and combat far less painful.
>>14043372
>It's better to play on PC because PSP is riddled with translation errors
Isn't that because of one guy that held everything up and was the cause for the delays?
>>14043416
It's more certain things getting clearer due to events in SC,for example FC's PSP translation says the arranged marriage is to be between the princess and the Empire's Crown Prince, whereas SC clarifies that he may be the Emperor's eldest son, he's not in the line of succession. I think the PC version fixes this.
>>14043416
>>14043424
Different guy.
Guy who fucked up FC's PSP translation was Deuce, a Ys fan translator whose scripts for Ys games were purchased by XSEED. He caused not delays but instead major translation errors both grammatical and vocabulary, some of which you can tell its wrong without even knowing Japanese. http://pastebin.com/rbzRWNxi
Guy who fucked up SC's translation was Andrew Dice, who caused delays by falling behind schedule and further delays for XSEED having to clean up his terminology fuckups and script format fuckups.
>>14044184
>Now, keep in mind that these are just a couple of examples. Literally every other scene past chapter 1 (it seems the prologue and ch1 were translated by someone else) are full of errors of similar magnitude, including pretty much all important scenes that foreshadow things for SC and games even further in the series.
>"Look to the endless waltz which unfolds between the red and the black."
What did they mean by this?
>>14044849
Pay attention to the unending dance that is going to happen, involving the color red and the color black
>>14044856
Thanks. For some reason wording it that way just clickedI think. Roulette?
New doujin is up guys. Perfect for /m/ taste i think.
>>14045178
>Do Boys Dream of Electric Creepy Sheep?
God damn, what a coincidence--I was just watching Blade Runner last night.
>>14044849
Fuck Bleublanc with a rake I swear.
>>14048651
Even the characters comment on the obnoxiousness of the riddles by about the 3rd time you encounter them in SC.
>>14038864
[citation needed]
>Playing Zero
About Lloyd, i thought he just generic leader type without brain, turned out he is the leader AND the brain. Pretty based. Also it's nice to see Estelle didn't forget about another Lloyd from Lorent.
>>14050239
>generic leader type
Thats this guy >>14045178
>>14053518
I don't know if I could have stomached Rean if XSEED hadn't gone out of their way to make his dialogue less boring.
>>14053611
>>14053611
>>14053647
let be honest the translation could be much worse
>>14053611
I don't know the world. Why do they lose their bunny ears when they speak english?
>>14053858
Yeah, it still beats whoever is the clown that's currently running Nintendo's Treehouse divisions into the ground. If only they had more cases like Kid Icarus Uprising.
>>14053868
The JP source was probably using a DLC bunny ears costume (because you just know that has to exist).
>>14053873
I thought it was going to be something about mochi-pounding moon rabbits, but that makes sense too.
>>14053872
>currently
Treehouse has always been very liberal in their approach.
>>14053953
Yes, but it seems to be getting out of control now. Then again Nate Bihldorff used to work for Nintendo Power, so it's no wonder memes are cropping up more and more often nowadays.
>>14048651
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>>14054203
>newfags can't diagram
Fuck, I don't know if I can do it from my phone. Anyway screw this puzzle and screw books.
>>14037302
Do you want to making fuck? Berserker.
>>14054212
It's the pillars on the road to the tower, in the NE bit that's off the main path.
>>14054126
What's out of control? I don't own anything Nintendo so I'm out of the loop.
>>14054250
Off the top of my head, Fire Emblem Awakening had some blatant changes in characterization, Xenoblade Chronicles X had a number of changes that annoyed fans (the name of Dolls being changed to Skells being the tip of the iceberg), and Tri-Force Heroes had a meme inserted somewhere.
>>14054404
>Awakening
And Fates.
>>14054404
>Xenoblade Chronicles X
the tl was almost 100% faithful..a few costumes were revised..big fucking deal
XCX is just a case of people bitching about something they can't even validate themselves
>>14054404
>Xenoblade Chronicles X
>No advertising, because "nishe game. the people who will buy it already know about it".
>change fucking everything because appealing to people outside of said niche
Shit was fucked up from start to finish.
>>14053518
Eh, to be honest i think Rean and Lloyd are similar, both has cliche mouth and dense as fuck. If there is differences then Lloyd is smarter and Rean is stronger do his hidden power and being Yun's student. Though to be fair i heard Rean has development in CS2 while i just finished black dog case in zero yesterday, which probably just a quarter of the story.
>>14053611
XSEED does alot of meme translation. It was pretty obvious in Felghana, when there are some modern day jokes even though Ys has always been straightforward in dialogue.
>Angelica's S-break is literally a Rider Kick
I'd have giggled more if it hadn't oneshotted me from full health to zero.
>>14057174
It's also one of Zane's crafts in Sky SC and was infamously broken if you used it on multiple targets.
>>14057185
It's more amusing for Angelica because she has a bike.
>>14057098
Lloyd is more interesting with the way that he solves cases and his speeches. Rean's personality is dull and he really doesn't have anything interesting to say in a lot of situations. The only way they tried to make him interesting is by adding more powers in the second game.
>>14058092
Lloyd's personality is better but Rean actually has internal conflict and more fleshed-out character.
I like Lloyd more but they play to different strengths.
>>14058163
>internal conflict and more fleshed-out character
Lloyd has that too except he actually have a personality.
>>14059606
He doesn't really have as much, though. Lloyd feels much more like a competent everyman whose character is more about helping everyone else out with their issues. He doesn't really come into his own as a great character until the last chapter of Ao, I don't think.
Like I said, though, Lloyd's better than Rean, but CSII does a lot to make Rean interesting even if his personality doesn't stand out much. And even his lack of personality is kind of an in-universe thing since he specifically tries to not stand out.
>>14059840
I found Lloyd's internal conflict with his brother and abilities more well written than Rean trying to control his special darkness powers. I honestly cant stand how the story shoves his powers into the story while he keeps whining about it.
>>14060020
I found them both to be meh because I have seen that shit on other characters.
>>14024742
>HP 106750
That's some final boss tier health.
>>14060020
>>14059840
Zero anon here, just finished team battle against bracers team and gangs team. Here's what i thought for now: Lloyd is lucky to have such of interesting characters around him. Rean unfortunately, is not.
>>14060208
But one of them actually needed to be rewritten.
>>14060857
The interactions between the four is what makes the game great.
>>14057185
Aside from the last fight with Walter, I never used Zane in SC if I could help it because of how dull I found him.
>>14061560
He's mostly useful if you need a massive meatshield, but I agree with you on the boring front.
>>14024708
How many of these games have been localized?
>>14061967
3 so far, 4th due in autumn, 5th next year.
>>14061979
Besides Coldsteel 1, which are the others localized?
>>14061983
Sora FC and SC.
>>14061988
And Gagharv trilogy, but nobody counts those.
wait was the Erebonian civil war seriously about central government versus states' rights
>>14062735
Partially. The same villains are supporting both sides for some reason...
Celceta pc never
>>14061483
Not really. Rean just needs a better cast. He would be okay if he had good banter with people outside of Crow, Sarah, and sometimes the Lesbian.
>>14064602
Someone's managed to patch the Joyoland PC port with the English translation.
>>14062065
Gagharv is absolute shit in gameplay and the even more shitty translation didn't help.
>chapter 5 of cold steel
this is the best chapter yet, elliot's dad is the best dad
>>14065130
That's not Cassius Bright.
>>14064951
Whoa, I didn't expect that. Thanks for telling me anon.
>>14065347
embarrassing hugs tank surfing brodad is clearly top tier
although chapter 5 also has sword dad who is cool
>>14065391
Sword dad gets even even better even better when he appears in chapter 6.
>>14062735
In essence, it was about the right of the nobility to keep oppressing their serfs versus the right of Osborne to keep oppressing Crossbell.
I finally started SC a couple days ago after replaying FC since it's been a while. This game is really rubbing in how much I used to rely on Joshua
>>14066774
Yeah, he was stupidly fast and had the 'murder everything' button. It's a nice case of story and gameplay integration I think, you miss him for very similar reasons.
>>14060857
Yeah, Randy and Tio are great. Wazy getting thrown into the mix with Ao makes things even better.
>>14066774
>no Joshua in SC
What
Nigga
Please don't do this to me Falcom
>>14067046You get him backeventually.
Fun challenge, try to defeat Müller without cheating
Is there a subtitled or otherwise simply translated transcript of Cold Steel's drama CD anywhere?
>>14067111
>http://eiyuutrans.blogspot.com/2014/04/sen-no-kiseki-drama-cd.html
Here you go.
>>14067078
I didclocked down on him then clock up ex on Joshua and it gave me like 4 consecutive turns before his turn came.
>>14067127
Thanks anon.
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I always wanted to get into these games, is there a list of what games to play first and what not?
>>14067189
Starting points in English are either Sky (First Chapter)on PC/PSP or Cold Steel on PS3/Vita.
Sky is set 2 years before Cold Steel and is recommended, but Cold Steel works as a starting point as well, only real spoiler is what a character's real identity is.
Zero is the start of the other arc that runs parallel to Cold Steel but isn't translated.
If you like a fairly straight forward journey type RPG, start with Sky, just be warned it starts slow. If you want something more akin to Persona, start with Cold Steel, the combat system is also a bit more refined there (casters aren't as overpowered).
>>14024742
>but mostly in Trails of Cold Steel.
So you can ignore Trails in the Sky altogether?
>>14067226
If you're in it solely for giant robots, Trails in the Sky only has a couple of them, both boss fights. You don't get to actually control a giant robot until the final chapter of Trails of Cold Steel. Trails of Cold Steel 2 will have a lot more robots though.
>>14067226
Here's the PV of 2nd cold steel just in case everyone wondering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKo5epzMlM
I think each 2nd installment of each arc has robots and airships, Trails in the sky SC and Ao no Kiseki.
>>14067226
Yeah, Sky was a long-ass 100 hours of adventure. If you have some kind of OCD and like to pay attention to the smallest details then it's the game for you. Otherwise it's just a boring game with some cool scenes and revelations every 10 hours.
FC is tolerable and quite fun because it's the first time you visit Liberl and everything was fresh. But once you get to SC you'll start wishing for the game to just end already.
>>14067239
Trails of Cold Steel is it for me then, thanks.
>>14067311
Cool.
>>14067852
>If you have some kind of OCD
I kinda do, but I also don't have 100 hours to play that at the moment, so I'll pass.
>>14068453
>>If you have some kind of OCD
>I kinda do, but I also don't have 100 hours to play that at the moment, so I'll pass.
Cold Steel has the exact same OCD pandering except this time they give you fucking achievements for talking to every single NPC in the game every chance you get.
>>14036235
>almost noseless Moeshit artstyle for evo
There you go, that's why it looks soulless. The same reason why Honoka and Marie Rose look soulless.
Original is better. Estelle is beefier and actually looks like she trains unlike the brittle looking lolified thing in the new art.
>>14068581
You don't need to talk to everybody every chance you get, you just need to use a guide to point out which specific conversations add new pages to the character section of the notebook. Which are in the minority.
>>14068581
But CS does have mechas, so I'll make the time for it.
>>14067162
>clocked down on him then clock up ex on Joshua
Anon, he said without cheating.
>>14069331
That's just creative use of mechanics
GUY SHOT FIRST
GRIMWOOD DID NOTHING WRONG
>Giant mecha
>in a setting where the motorbike is literally still in the process of being invented
it's like they can't decide if they want to be magical steampunk or Code Geass.
>>14069963
Seems you missed some points here. There are 2 kinds of mecha in trails series, first is the remnant of old era who has vanished even though they had superior technology, and the other is mecha from some evil organization who apparently knows about that vanished technology. Also pretty sure even in real life human found car first than motorbike.
>Stolen bracer sign
Am I going to have to deal with his bullshit is every region? what kind of name is blue-white anyway.
>>14072475
He's Phantom Thief Char
>FC final dungeon
>accidentally kill Oliver in an enemy's self destruct blast
>don't want to waste a revive
>I wonder...
>have KO'd Oliver revive himself
What the fuck? Is this an oversight or did they allow this to happen?
>>14070269
>the other is mecha from some evil organization
scientific advancement usually has a hard time taking place in a vacuum, it works better when you have free exchange of ideas, peer review, and collaboration between people with varying skillsets. Sure you can have top secret classified projects like the atomic bomb and stealth aircraft but these are often building on work and ideas existing before the project started and got classified. There's only so many experts out there and they tend to all know each other and work with each other. It really strains suspension of disbelief that a single insular clandestine entity is centuries of advancement ahead of everybody else and this is the singular work of an evil genius or two, doing stuff that nobody else can even conceive of being possible. It's not the 1800s anymore, we've moved on from the self-taught gentleman natural philosopher dabbling alone in the sciences in his basement, research is a collective effort these days.
You CAN'T answer because you don't know how those memories got there!
OH SHIT
IT WAS KEIKAKU DOORI ANDHE ISN'T EVEN AT THE TOP OF IT ALL, which I kind of suspected but DAMN
I miss these JRPG twists.
>>14072992
Remember, Richard did nothing wrong!
>>14072992
Oh wait until you get to the very end. The ride's not over yet.
>>14073032
How the FUCK do I beat this Mk II nigga? This is ridiculous and I think I just passed the point of no hope. Now I have to redo both those matches again if I want to change orbments?
>>14073052
Keep casters at range from him, spells have to go off before he gets a turn until 66%, save some CP for 33% because that's the nuke phase. Earth guard is your friend as well.
But yes, if you want to change orbments, you have to refight mr samurai.
>>14070269
What about the part where the internet was invented before the washing machine, and digital cameras before rock music?
>>14073056
Hahahahahahaha oh this attack delay cannon is fucking something else. Absolute bullshit. I'm down to Zane only tanking nukes while beta orbiters harass him. Then when I finally have an opening, he's paralyzed. I'm ready to scream at this stupid game. At least the robots are cool.
>>14073119
Ayy lmao it only cost me a ton of celestial balms and infinite heals but I made it. I sincerely hope that was his final form. Now that I'm not in a rage I can appreciate how cool he was as a boss.
>>14072959
How?
>>14073119
>Not taking Olivier and Kloe for maximum arts spam and debuffs
>>14073132
Out of curiosity did you get enough BP to be able tofinish Reverie off yourself instead of watching Cassius do it?
>>14073176
It is a mystery.
>>14073180
I considered it but I would have been screwed without that ~330 defense.
>>14073198
I just spammed my 4 fully charged attacks. Estelle did 2k on her own but it was a close call.I knew Alba was suspicious and Joshua was edgy but that was still quite the surpise. And fuck you Joshua, come back ;_;
>>14073211Albaactually blindsided me the first time I played the game years ago . I can't believe I was so naive. Also wait till you've started SC. I'm 16 hours in it and I'm hoping Estelle will kickJoshua's ass when they meet again.
>>14073211
To clarify, it was out of battle. I just realized how deceptive that sounded but I'm only commenting on how a KOd Oliver would be able to revive himself while he's KOd.
Time to watch the OVA I guess. Sage for doubleposting.
>>14073238
But the OVA spoils the Second Chapter.
>>14073056
This. Max your characters' speed, spread out, and keep earth guard up at all times, especially when it starts charging the nuke. Then just spam him to death with shadow spear or something similar.
>>14073241
>But the OVA spoils the Second Chapter.
And then it did so bad it got cancelled so it doesn't even bother to spoil all of it.
How the hell did Estelle place
>>14073341
Sora no kiseki evolution games got released last year.
>>14073241
Worse it spoils the big emotional payoff section in chapter 6. Play the game, the OVA's animation is kinda terrible.
>>14073349
It wasn't that awful
>Elmo peeping tom
>Sheep gattai
Can't say I was expecting that at all.
>>14073637
I don't know why, but people casually kicking Estelle's ass was the best part of the OVA.
>>14074463
Something that you can't see anymore since falcom goes full 3D. Such a shame really, but they need to do it for younger audience.
>>14074463
On a similar note. Fuck sheep. They're annoying.
>>14073064
>internet was invented before the washing machine,
u wot? Is this a Trails of Coldsteel the Hedgehog thing?
>digital cameras
How are orbal cameras anything like digital ones? They burn light onto quartz which then needs to be developed to print out photos. Just like film based cameras.
>>14074613
>Fuck sheep.
Soundin' like a Kiwi there, m8.
>>14076324
Orbal revolution is scary shit.
In just two years they have both internet and flashdisk.
Zeiss Central Factory actually made car.
And handphone-like-ability for both Arcus and Enigma.
But somehow only Ouroboros able to make archaism and giant robots.
>>14073241
Wait, so now I have to buy and beat SC to watch the OVA? I literally just want to see >>14073637 in action.
>>14076404
I think you still can enjoy the game after watching OVA. Just like any other game adaptation, it feels really different from the game.
>>14076404
SC is entirely worth it on its own merits, don't worry. And rest assured, you'll see plenty of him in the game.
>>14076414
>>14076419
Well, as long as it doesn't detract from the game. They're so good that I don't want to ruin the fun in any way.professor alba aka weissmannAl and (Bernie) WisemanNot a coincidence?
How you guys feel about this glorious bastard?
>>14076324
Washing machines were presented as a brand new just - launched invention in Roer in Sen 1.
Similarly the existence of a digital video recording of the festival concert given to Ream by Towa on a memory stick demonstrates the existence of orbal digital video cameras at the time when rock music was just getting off the ground
>>14076382
Orbal revolution is basically our tech progress in the last 200 or so years on steroids.
>>14076432
But it does detract from the game, since it's basically just a clipshow of the various climaxes of the chapters of the first half of Trails SC.
>>14076860
Damn it. I guess I'll wait for SC to go on sale then.
>>14076382
>But somehow only Ouroboros able to make archaism and giant robots
Utter madness.
You want to build giant robots.
First you’re going to need over 9,000 tons of steel. And it needs to be milspec, not cheap shit used to make cars. Where is it from? You’ll also need glass, plastics, rubber, and several different kinds of metal.
You’ll need to get that steel to where you're manufacturing it. I guess you’ll need your own shipping company since you can't tell outsiders where your factory is.
Your factory where machine parts can be constructed, and the components assembled. You’re going to need machines that can heat and shape steel. Those systems are going to require a shipload of power, so you’re going to need a lot of generators and a huge volume of sepith. You’ll need tons of specialized cranes and heavy-lifting equipment to move that stuff around too.
You can’t just have your trucks dump all those raw materials at the loading dock and leave. You’ll need porters. You’ll need engineers trained in this kind of large-scale work. You’ll need a factory full of machinists, mechanical engineers, orbal engineers, welders, mechanics, heavy equipment operators, people to manage the power grid, and managers to keep the whole enterprise organized.
Now, if you were just hiring muscle, you could get away with hiring disaffected college dropouts. But you need trained, skilled, experienced workers, which means you’re hiring older people, with families and business connections.
It’s going to be hard enough finding the skilled labor you need to come work at your secret factory, but asking all of them to leave behind their families for an unknown period of time is absurd. They simply wouldn’t take the job. These people already live comfortable lives and make a lot of money, and they’re going to be smart and educated. You can’t lure them away from their families with money and trickery. At least, not enough of them.
>>14076866
You can lure away the loners.
>>14076861
It was just on sale recently when The 3rd was announced for localization, I wouldn't count on it going on sale again soon.
There is an alternative, though.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=751072
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=754442
>>14076868
>You can lure away the loners.
Assuming you can find that many loners both skilled and unskilled, you're still going to need what is basically a small town's worth of infrastructure to support them all (meaning housing, power, running water, sewage, roads, medical facilities, entertainment, law enforcement, etc etc), and you then somehow need to swear a several thousand people to total secrecy and accept total cutoff from the outside world.
And eventually somebody's going to notice that steady stream of trucks carrying raw materials, food, fuel, equipment, and personnel to your secret factory.
And of course Ouroboros doesn't have one secret factory, they apparently have thirteen of them.
Given the huge number of resources and (more importantly) people they're pulling out of civilization, it’s crazy to imagine that they could stay secret.
>>14076897
>Assuming you can find that many loners both skilled and unskilled, you're still going to need what is basically a small town's worth of infrastructure to support them all (meaning housing, power, running water, sewage, roads, medical facilities, entertainment, law enforcement, etc etc), and you then somehow need to swear a several thousand people to total secrecy and accept total cutoff from the outside world.
They're automated.
We see one of the thirteen factories in Ao and it's run by one guy.
>>14076925
Boy, I sure hope more than one thing doesn't go wrong in the factory at once. I especially hope that anything that goes wrong is easily diagnosed and doesn't shut production down for weeks while every part of the manufacturing process is extensively disassembled and tested to find the fault. I particularly hope that fixing the problem doesn't require some specialized part (or two) that I don't have a spare for and needs to be machined from scratch to extremely fine tolerances. I substantially hope that the fault occurred in a field that is my specialty - I can fix a mechanical fault because I am a mechanical engineer so I can fix a broken steel mill, but electrical/orbal engineering is something I only know the basics of so I can't fix a broken power plant. Computer programming fault is right out. Oh, and I singularly hope that I don't fall sick at some point and something goes wrong while I am unavailable.
>>14024708
Speaking of Falcom games, I mentioned I was finally gonna play this after I beat Oath in Felghana, and I just beat that a few hours ago. Trails in the Sky is just a regular JRPG, right? Is there anything I should know before I start it? It's not related to Ys in any way, is it? The chibi-style character models remind me of Ys, are they just the style Falcom uses generally?
(as an aside, Ys had some pretty /m/ enemies--that one boss in the Valestein dungeon as well as the final boss, with the engines on his arms and stuff).
>>14076946
robots fix everything
>>14076966
Yes, it is.
It's really slow paced.
No it's not related, though Ys and Kiseki crossover games did exist.
Falcom stop using chibi design for their newer games.
>>14076982
Cool, thanks
>>14076966
>Trails in the Sky is just a regular JRPG, right?
Yes
>Is there anything I should know before I start it?
The combat system is a little dated. If you want to speed up walking and combat you can use Cheat Engine's speedhack function.
If you have the OCD for it, try talking to as many NPCs as possible and talk to them again after major events occur.
Check inside empty treasure chests.
White Gehenna is an "I win" button.
>It's not related to Ys in any way, is it?
Besides that one crossover game, no
>>14076966
If you're starting with Sky FC it's fine if you didn't know anything. The game will explain everything to you, and by everything, I mean EVERYTHING.
Try getting the books and the newspaper. They're all nice side informations.
