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There sure are a lot of them.
>>14023056
Do that with Zakus or GMs and then say there are a lot of Grazes.
>>14023060
There are a lot of them for a 2-cour mecha show about Gundams?
>>14023056
Are they really gonna call it Graze Ein?
>>14023071
That's its official name.
Which is best Graze and why is it Graze Ritter ?
>>14023056
There were also those brown ones last episode
IBO is such a disappointment.
>>14023074
Might as well call the Psycho Zaku '"the Daryl Zaku"
Shits dumb
>>14023088
No lineart yet, but I left a spot for it.
>>14023092
Ein's is a german name.
It just wurks.
>>14023110
>It just wurks.
>>14023092
Ein is integrated a fair bit more than in thunderbolt. That's just 'let's plug the suit into your prosthetics mounts so you can control it the same way'. This is full on ITS YOU, EIN! YOU ARE THE MOBILE SUIT!
>>14023092
Daryl doesn't require the zaku to act as a life support system. Ein is the graze now. Without it he will die.
>>14023129
Sounds extremely painful.
>>14023092
Ein is German for one. It's less that they named it after Ein and more of that it's the first graze with a AV system.
Gundam Throne Ein or Xeku Ein
>>14023143
>Sounds painful.
He's literally a head and torso with his brain hooked directly into the graze. In the brief shot of his face we saw in the cockpit his eyes are glazed over because he is using the Graze's cameras to see now. I can't tell if he would be in constant pain or feel nothing.
>>14023143
You're a big guy.
>>14023149
I think it's named after him primarily but the other meaning is implied too.
>>14023164
Also, this is apparently the original form of the AV systems that the gundams used in the calamity war. The ones tekkadan use are the simple and cheap version.
>>14023143
>>14023060
Compare the amount of series and side materials that had Zakus/GMs to the amount of IBO episodes.
>>14023056
Why is the Graze Custom's head so superior to the standard head?
>>14023217
All Ein now is a AI with a cute female voice and we're truly ZoE.
I had to type a comment.
Haven't seen IBO yet, does it have more specialized suits like the Gouf or Dom? Almost all the HGs Iv'e seen are grazes and gundams.
>>14023558
Yeah, some.
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/orphans/ugy-r38.htm
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/orphans/ugy-r41.htm
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/orphans/sth-14s.htm
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/orphans/sth-05r.htm
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/orphans/sth-05.htm
>>14023056
I just realized that Ryusei-Go's shoulders are Graze thighs. That's awesome.
>>14023164
I remember when this series first started and everyone thought Ein wouldn't amount to much
Man, we were all so wrong
>>14023595
He amounted to very little, I mean he's less than half the man he was at the start.
https://twitter.com/arak2/status/711670747870015488
>>14023599
Heh, you got me there.
>>14023592
No, they're Hyakuren shoulders
>>14023619
Hmm?
>>14023592
They are modified from the Hyakuren actually. Same with its new back skirt iirc.
>>14023056
>>14023907
>Hello! I am VIFAM
>>14023595
>Probably didn't even kill Shino
>Gonna die next episode
>implying he amounted to anything
>>14023056
It is almost as if the staff was too lazy to make a variety of mobile suits, yet another aspect G-Reco trumps this in.
>>14023974
It's even funnier if you know why G-Reco has such variety.
>>14023974
> A military sticks to one fairly spartan core mechanical design rather than churning out MOTW
Yeah, that's... really bad.
>>14024034
MOTW are the best thing to happen to anime since television
>>14024034
Except MSs in G-Reco were varied because of the multiple factions, not MOTW fashion.
>>14023056
Graze is literally the best thing in IBO.
>>14023974
>G-Reco has more mobile suits designs than it needs
>lots of effort was put into animating them
>AGE is actually the same
What's IBO's excuse?
>>14024069
Graze Ein is literally the best thing in IBO.
>>14024077
muh second season
What I find odd is that jellybean has no support, artillery, sniper or mass production HiMo suits. Is the Graze really the only suit still in production? Teiwaz customs are an end-war frame they completed, built around the 46-48 reactors they found, and rebuilt 8 or so as a HiMo type. The Rodis are apparently as old as the Gundams and totally leftovers. The Grimgerde is a late war limited production model.
>>14024120
They make a pretty big point about how MS aren't allowed in habitated areas because their Ahab Wave reactors wreak havoc on civilian electronics and the outage could cause a panic. So instead they mostly use battery-powered mobile armors that are glorified tanks.
Gjallerhorn also apparently doesn't have a lot of competition to put down, as Earth is pretty solidly under their control, the colony union was lucky to even get a couple mobile armors, and most pirates/private operators are out in the boonies of space. What rogue suits are out there mostly use nano-laminate so ranged weapons aren't as effective, and most mobile armors can be diced by a Graze rifle.
Mobile suits are just that good/that few, that they're so much of a walking WMD they don't need as much specialization.
Still need the medium green Graze from episode 16.
There is also the brown Ground Type Graze from episode 24.
Looks like all space borne and Mars ones are the standard EB-6 type and will equip the boosters according to their environment.
The ones on Earth are usually EB-06j that have hover heels, box type thigh thrusters better suited for Earth's gravity.
The EB-06j is nice, a better medieval esque mobile suit being more ground bound and also has its battle blade mounted like those in Break Blade.
>>14023563
The Man Rodi would be perfect, if it had actual feet instead of those stumps.
>>14023056
>desu I bought myself a couple of grazes without even watching the show
They are like Leos - cool grunts in a supposedly bad show. I hope they would actually make 1/100 out of Graze Ritter with swappable shoulder armor seeing how it is popular
>>14024734
Grazes have far less personality than Leos.
>>14024767
Such grunt perfection.
>>14024562
No lineart of those.
>>14024767
How many Leo are in one combat unit on screen? Grazes are usually in squad of 3 and no more than maybe 4 squads in one base, so mobile suits are a rarer commodity than the Leos in Wing.
The exception would be the fleet near Dort and maybe one cruiser has 1-2 squads.
So Grazes has the same status as GN-X IIIs from 00.
>>14024120
Mobile workers are probably sufficient for support, artillery, etc. use.
>>14023217
Man, I really miss ZoE.
Great mech designs too..
>>14024159
When you put it like that then...mobile suits, even the crap grazes are kinda terrifiying and are more then enough to wipe out all opposition on any planet or colony.
This also begs another question. Why aren't there freedom fighters/anti earth people in space with unique suits? The tech is out there, the remnants from that ancient war is out there. What gives?
>>14025446
>This also begs another question...
Not what begging the question is.
>>14023164
>AX2
>It has two axes
>>14023907
>Don't Crank me or my graze ever again
>>14025446
Seems that it works like this
>workers, tanks and infantry are common and used by everyone
>mobile suits are relatively rare and only mass-produced by Gjallarhorn and private companies with Gjallarhorn's tech
>mobile suits massacre tanks, workers and infantry but can't be used in cities due to treaties
>only people with mobile suits besides Gjallarhorn are space pirates and criminal organizations who salvage them from war ruins, but don't possess them in large numbers so just use them for piracy
Since Gjallarhorn has the most MS they're in charge. Their Grazes don't have many dedicated anti-MS weapons just rifles and axes for shooting up vehicles and infantry and cutting open workers. Which makes sense as they don't often fight MS.
>>14023143
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11853614/1/Tell-It-To-My-Heart
Not as painful as this.
>>14023060
Compare the number of zakus in the first half of 0079
>>14023056
Why are the older suits always better?
>>14025446
Weren't Gjallarhorn the only ones able to produce the reactor?
>>14023907
>>14024023
what's the reason?
>>14023056
Why is the Ryusei-Go the most disgusting Graze unit?
>>14025953
Because the dumb kids ruined Crank's perfect Graze. They all deserve to die
>>14025953
Because it's more pink than Char's original Zaku.
>>14025959
>implying Crank isn't a snapfag that didn't paint or put the eye decals on his Graze
There's probably just as many Leo variants. There were a lot of X mook variants too.
>>14025953
It's a mobile suit for furries
>>14025953
Because Tekkadan fucking shits drew all over it.
>>14026033
I imagine that when Norba decided to customize the thing, he did so by drawing a dragon's head and explosions and shit on some lineart with a pink crayon, then handed the resulting abomination to Yamagi, who made an attempt to follow his instructions.
>>14026033
I hate those damn kids so much
>>14026125
All the more reason Ein should have his kill.
>>14026125
>>14023129
lol yep when i saw cholet man sagesting this I was like are they going to pull a ZOE2 on us and low and behold they did
>>14026158
>cholet man sagesting
>>14025573
because the tech they used was so OP that after the war it was all but outlawed cosign MS tech to stagnate/regrass rather then advance
>>14024767
Fucking MG or RE100 when goddamn it.
>>14026154
8/10
>>14025953
>paint scheme + eye
>antenna
>Norba
>>14026206
>your (plural) mom's nigger
>this is my ice cream
I love the feet on the ground type graze. Fuck the standard heels. They better make a kit of it!
>>14023217
>image name
>maximum kek
>>14023060
Yeah sure lets count all the Zakus and Gms in 25 episodes of 0079
>>14023056
Wasn't there a regular earth defence fleet graze without the Ritter parts?
And the brown one too
That's like 15 grazes
>>14026307
I didn't notice them, I'd like the graze a lot more if those were the standard feet. If it had the Kai head it would be almost perfect
WHY AREN'T THERE ANY FIGHTER JETS IN IBO?
>>14025953
it;s color scheme is gay
>>14026470
Ahab reactors would shut it down
>>14026189
Its been 300 years though you would think that there would be enough advancements in technology that would carry over and make a difference.
>>14026494
Then how do mobile workers and cars still work?
>>14026470
Because it's a mecha show.
>>14026644
They still work because they are military vehicles with shielding against ahab waves.
Ahab waves = Magic EMP
Civilian Shit not shielded
Military Shit shielded
>>14027497
That's the thing I don't entirely get. These reactors put out waves, they don't really refer to particles much. Those waves have an effect similar to GN Drives where they don't just snarl radar, but all (unshielded ?) electronics in the area. Yet they can still talk to each other remotely. And these waves interact with a certain kind of paint to cause it to get harder the more waves it has and the more intense they are.
So are they just great big Choudenji Balls?
>>14027497
Couldn't they just have shielded planes then?
It shouldn't matter that much anyways the range where it causes problems isn't that high.
>>14026416
Those are just recolors of the space and ground types. I wouldn't really count them as a real variant.
>>14025475
Gjallarhorn is supposed to have a monopoly on ahab reactor production. Thats why they have such a large amount of ms compared to everyone else and graze dominate the ms lineup.
Teiwaz is also supposed to be the only organization outside of gjallarhorns control in a long time to have designed and produced their own ms and frame from the ground up with the hyskuren and hyakuri.
And as you said, everything else is salvaged or leftover from the calamity war.
>>14027554
>These reactors put out waves, they don't really refer to particles much
Well, the duality is complete I guess
>>14026151
That monoeye emotes so well.
>>14023060
>Zaku I
>Zaku II
>Zaku II with a horn
>Zaku II with a horn and pink
>Flying Carrier Zaku
>Blue Zaku
>Fat Zaku
>Zaku with a sword and missile shield
>Naginata Zaku
>Pink Naginata Zaku
>Underwater Zaku
>Cute Underwater Zaku
>Ugly Underwater Zaku
>Big Legs Zaku
>Rubber Arms Zaku that has no legs
>ZakuHead with bits
And that's not even all of them
>>14029471
36 years of variants.
IBO has 6 months. Name any other Gundam to put out so many variants of the same mobile suit that showed up during airing.
>>14029511
Doesn't the GNX series have a bunch of variants as well?
>>14029639
Which ones appeared on screen?
>>14029639
Theres only ten
>>14027602
Well, the Ground Types do have thrusters on its thighs instead of just armor
Tieren had quite a few, the on screen variants:
>Tieren Ground Type
>Tieren Cannon
>Tieren High Mobility Type
>Tieren High Mobility Type B
>Tieren High Mobility Type B Commander
>Tieren Space Type
>Tieren Space Type (ESF)
>Tieren Space Type (Katharon)
>Tieren Space Type Commander
>Tieren Taozi
>Tieren All Region Type
>>14029661
>GN-X
>GN-X III (ESF)
>GN-X III (A-Laws)
>GN-X III (those tan ones from the movie)
>GN-X IV
>GN-X IV Commander
>ELS GN-X IV
>>14029714
But that complemented a score of other MS. Besides Grazes, IBO has:
>barbie2
>Man Rodi
>Guison
>Rebake
>Hyakuren
>Hyakuri
>those new not!Hyakuren things
>kimaris
>kimaris trooper
9 other MS altogether vs ~12 Grazes. Pretty crazy.
>>14029808
Don't forget ChocoChar's Not!Tallgeesethatispaintedtobe3xfaster
>>14023056
>Grimgerde
>Predecessor
Okay, now I'm mad.
>>14023056
One on one, how would a Flag or Zaku do against a Graze?
i kind of like seeing a basic MS design with so many variantions in one show, i just wish there were more specific variants and less fancy commander models.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon_variants
>>14029840
I was counting that as a Graze. However, if you take out simple part swaps and change the side of the Grimdarke, you have 7 Grazes and 9 others. Still extremely close.
>>14024080
I hope season 2 is just him hunting children while happy music plays. Every so often Crank-sama's face is imposed over the sun, usually right when Ein looks at it.
>>14029855
Why?
>>14029808
10 actually. You forgot spinner rodi.
>>14029869
Those are different production blocks and retrofitted/upgraded over the course of years for tons of different countries. I guess if you wanted to see a PMC group controlling Ancient Alien Super Hornets while they travel across different Euro/Mid East countries in different time periods, you can have that.
>>14029892
Good point. So if you move the Grimgerde over, they're tied.
What makes the perfect grunt mech? I'm going to be running some Mekton for some /tg/ buddies soon and I want to give them lovable grunts.
>>14029904
>What makes the perfect grunt mech?
Simplicity.
>>14029904
Modularity.
Sexy looks.
>>14029886
We can dream, anon. We can dream.
>>14029904
Simplicity, utility. Should basically represent the style of the mecha design for the whole faction/series.
>>14029971
>>14029471
>Blue Zaku
Don't you mean NO ZAKU BOY?
>>14029936
If Setsuna was given the option of the Alaya-Vijnana to become one with Exia, would he have taken it?
>>14030076
No.Instead, he'd ask for a new Gundam to be made so that it can the Gundam Setsuna.
>>14029936
>You see Crank-sama
>To defeat the mobile suit
>You must become the mobile suit
>>14025401
GNX's are fucking pseudo-gundams....
Grazes are cool, but it's like comparing a footsoldier to a special ops guy...
does anyone here wanna see humor grazes?
>>14029866
Depends on which Graze type. The Graze Ritter would get rekt trying to issue a challenge or introduce themself. No survivors with Graze Ein though.
>>14026154
Slaanesh is pleased.
>>14029866
my honest guess:
Flag is Higher Agility
Zaku is a Meat Shield
Graze is a dude, but a easily modifiable dude....
the advantage is you could bring 3 Grazes to a mecha fight for the price of 1...even against Zakus...
![heaume%20de%20joute%201480[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Y3wEdO7.jpg "heaume%20de%20joute%201480[1].jpg")
>>14029971
>>14029982
>>14029914
>>14029919
If you're still around, what I was thinking of going with was heads shaped something like a frogmouth jousting helm (pic related) wrapped around a glowing sensor core, with a boxy torso and long, slender limbs with longer calves/forearms than thighs/upper arms. Their pauldron armor comes to a slight point and their legs have thrusters at the heel, middle of the calf, knee, and mounted on a swallowtail-shaped backskirt.
Their standard loadout is a medium beam gun, rocket pod, or rocket launcher plus shield and a gladius that folds into the forearm. There's a variant model that trades the shield and primary gun for a heavy cannon. I have no idea what their shields look like other than that they're small and mounted to the arm rather than held in the hand.
The idea is that they're a simple, efficient, basic generation-two grunt whose main purpose in life is to bully space pirates.
>>14029866
Graze's nano-laminate armor would net it the win.
>>14029894
fucking sign me up....
>>14030167
it always bothers me how the "ground" mode has thrusters in the butt that would actually hinder sitting and kneeling, something a ground should would probably do a lot of. The thigh thrusters make better sense in the later models.
>>14030167
Stop using ellipses.
>>14030147
Plenty of mecha out there have a similar aesthetic so you have plenty to draw inspiration from. Even the Savage I posted has a little bit of a knightly theme, with the head, collar, and upper chest reminiscent of a suit of armor. As for the head, it kind of reminded me of the big guy™ from the Thor movie. If you're going for really grunty, then probably tone down the agility or effectiveness of it (and its loadout). I can't tell if I'm reading it wrong due to exhaustion but it gave me a slender kind of image. When you think of the purpose of a grunt, try not to think in today's terms where grunts can do tons of shit on their own. Think of Soviet Russia in WWII/the Cold War. They built tanks that could move and not fall apart, but they had trouble doing both at once. Their advantage was in numbers, where they could overwhelm Germans like crazy, and I think they caught up to a 3:1 tank strength ratio to the US in the early 90s or late 80s. In other words, three of theirs could beat one of ours. That's the essence of "grunt" you're looking for. You could hardly call modern MBTs grunts in the same sense because they're so versatile and useful on their own, and there isn't really an upper class to be a grunt to.
Anyway I'm rambling. Keep working on the design, it sounds cool.
>>14030200
Kneeling isn't a problem for the Graze. I don't think most mobile suits are intended to sit their asses on the ground, though.
>>14030214
>cross-legged just to fit between the thruster armor
>not sitting on their asses when doing field repairs, staying behind cover, or just getting knocked down
It would work a lot better if the thrusters just stays on the back, plus there is no advantage in placing them in the butt. The center of gravity is likely to be near the torso where the reactor is anyway.
>>14030214
>stock-footage-of-two-zakus-sliding-down-a-hill-on-their-asses-while-aiming-Zaku-MGs.gif
>>14030224
Cross-legged is for stability (points of contact form a triangle on the ground) because that is a plastic model. The thruster binder armor is thin, there's more than enough room to put the leg in a more human-style kneeling pose.
>not sitting on their asses when doing field repairs
Debatable. They might as well be lying down, not much point in making the torso inaccessible to ground maintenance crews.
>staying behind cover
Sitting on one's ass is an awkward position in case the MS needs to get up quickly or shift position. Kneeling or squatting with knees bent is a much more ready position for taking off or moving. If you were going to say that sitting makes for a lower profile, then so would lying down..
>or just getting knocked down
That's not an intention of the design, regardless of whether it has an ass binder or not.
>>14023164
From the way he was talking I would have assumed he wasn't in any pain. Though I could be wrong and this is an eternity of agony.
>>14023149
Gundam Throne Eins and Xeku Eins.
>>14023056
Grimgerde doesn't use a Graze frame.
>>14029855
It's stated that the Valkyrja frames were developed around the same time as the Gundam frames. They were the newer mass-produced models that would replace those that used the older Rodi frames.
The Graze frames were created after the Calamity War.
>>14030285
>human-style kneeling
If only the assfins weren't scraping the ground
>They might as well be lying down
They can't do that too with the binders in the way. That's probably why all the other ground grazes removed them.
>awkward position
pic related
>not an intention of the design
Ground combat MS in a setting where melee is king is somehow not designed to get knocked down
>>14029904
It needs to be inadvertently cute
>>14030167
This pic reminds me that the had an animal theme with the gundams and they have gone nowhere with it.
Well it's...their mass produced model isn't it?
>>14030531
Shouldn't the graze be better then? Newer tech and 300 years to sort out the problems.
>>14030660
It's not an animal theme, it's a demon theme.
>>14030756
Gjallarhorn banned the use of Alaya-Vijnana after the Calamity War. Newer mobile suits like the Graze had to be simplified for use by non-Alaya-Vijnana pilots. They had to sacrifice features like higher output and the ability to perform complex maneuvers for ease of use. The Schwalbe Graze is one of the earlier models that retained the high-output features, which is why only skilled pilots like McGillis and Gaelio makes use of it.
Graze Ein's is basically what a Graze would be if it wasn't constrained by the pilot's limits. It's implied that the Gundam Frames originally made use of the same tech during the Calamity War, i.e. they also had the pilots permanently grafted to the Gundams. This is supported by the fact that neither Barbatos nor Gusion make use of their original Calamity War-era cockpits. The dual Ahab Reactor set-up the Gundams make use of is probably just something meant to complement the grafted pilot's ability to control the mobile suit.
>>14031296
Wait, that's actually pretty fucked up.
>>14031310
Yeah I know. Would have liked to see more stuff like that then hours of boring ass mob bullshit speeches of reiterated bullshit and faggot pirates.
>>14031296
McGillis outright says that the gundams were built to make full use of the AV system.
>>14031310
Well, it's made worse by the fact that kids and young adults are the most successful recipient of Alaya Vijnana surgery. So yea.
>>14031333
Yea. Up to now, people got the impression that the Gundams in this series appear to be severly underpowered, then you realize that the reason for that is that they aren't operating without a pilot permanently fused to them, as originally intended.
>>14030202
Thank you! The loadout is based on the original Zaku II, which typically came with a melee weapon, shield, and either a MG or rocket launcher. The biggest problem I'm having is actually the head shape. I like the frogmouth look, but an antagonist faction has mechs explicitly designed to look like knights. I don't know if the player grunts will detract from this or complement it. The other design I came up with had a rounded head with a fin and a Y-shaped "eyeslit", but it looked too much like a Flag in my head.
The design I came up with for space pirate grunts might be gruntier. They have an arrowhead-shaped body with a spherical cockpit that sticks out through the top and bottom of the arrowhead (top and bottom when the arrowhead is laid out flat) mounted on a gyroscope to stay upright regardless of which configuration it is in. They resemble ugly little space fighters until they rear upright and extend their spindly, folding limbs. Generally their loadout is whatever they can salvage from mining lasers to homemade missiles.
>>14031482
Look up medieval footsoldiers/infantry. They don't quite have a knight theme but I've always liked them and they're a good contrast to heavy hitters.
If you want to use a knightly look, consider some things from pic related. I don't know if a gladius fits the knight theme so well, an axe or retractable polearm would be pretty cool.
If you want to continue your current idea, then keep in mind that beams are pretty serious compared to conventional weapons, so you have to nerf them with literal plot armor. Zeta gave everyone Luna Titanium so even grunts could take a couple beam hits if needed where in 0079 they made mincemeat of anything. Grunts should be able to take what they deal. I actually misread it the first time as "beam gun + missile pods OR bazooka" so actually I think it's fairly balanced.
>>14029511
The "Blue Zaku" should've clued you in on the fact that it's a joke
>>14031695
Thank you. The grunts I was talking about are Jovian Independent Defense Force units, though, the knight-themed ones will show up later from another faction. Still using your image, though!
>>14031031
which they also did nothing with
>>14029971
Then, it is best to approach this one mecha
>>14031795
But blue Zakus are a real thing, anon.
>>14023060
22 episodes vs 200+ episodes
>>14023149
>ein is German for one
NOOOW THE WORLD IS GONE IM JUST ONE
>>14023217
zydrate comes in a little glass vial
>>14023149
>Ein is German for one
No. Eins is german for one.
Ein is the masculine indefinite article.
