Wich are the most powerful metal gear?
For me the best is Peace Walker
>>14017653
Excelsus
REX
It was built like a bomb-shelter and was virtually invulnerable to the weapons used to take down every other Metal-Gear. It also was capable of taking down an Anti-Metal-Gear Metal-Gear designed specifically to destroy it in close range combat.
In addition to having the best direct combat performance it also had the best nuclear capability not only having the best range but also the only Metal-Gear to have an undetectable unintercept-able stealth nuke.
ZEKE, TX-55 and Metal Gear-D were all inferior precursors to REX. RAY was beaten by REX and also lacks nuclear capability too. Excelsus was literal junk designed for propaganda according to its own game.
The only real competition is the bizarrely advanced weaponry of the Sahelanthropus however the only real threat to REX there is the metallic archaea rust cloud, Sahelanthropus however is easily eliminated with regular rockets so it strikes me that REX would trivially knock it off balance and dismantle it with missiles and lasers before it could present a real threat.
REX is the king.
>>14017687
THIS. REX is simply too powerful.
I like RAY, it's cuter than REX.
REX = SEX
>>14017673
>>14019919
>REX
Did you guys have your big brothers beat the first MGS for you or something? Rex was downed by one dude.
none because they aren't actually meant to fight
>>14017687
>chaff grenades
>completly blind
>>14019987
Yet, piloted by Solid Snake it managed to defeat Metal Gear designed as Metal Gear destroyer.
Which means that Liquid just sucks at piloting.
>>14019987
So was Ray, and Shagohod, and Peace Walker, and Sahalantropus. Stop projecting.
>>14019987
>12 Rays
>>14019987
Every other Metal Gear or Metal Gear-like was blown up with a rocket launcher.
REX on the other hand was nearly invulnerable to the point where its Radome was the only part of it SSnake was even able to put a dent in and even then he couldn't destroy even just the Radome. It took Grey Fox using anime ninja lasers to destroy the Radome and even he got his shit pushed in by REX.
Without anime super lasers Snake would have been completely fucked, he couldn't destroy REX so he had to shoot its pilot directly instead of the machine itself to stop it. Seriously, REX's Radome was more durable that the main armor of any other Metal Gear.
>>14019987
REX would have been indestructable if Otacon hadn't purposefully put in a weakness so it could be like one of his Japanese animes.
>>14019987
did you just played it through without paying attention? Rex took like two attempts to destroy it (radome and then shoving stinger missiles to liquid's face), and yet it didn't blow up, he simply stopped moving, and that's because mr recesive genes walked towards a unconscious solid snake and wanted to fist fight him on top of it. after that they left the poor thing for 9 years and then otacon and snake pick him up to use him against a fucking RAY, which was built to take down variations of Rex, and it still won
>>14020338
why is he naked
>>14020528
Why, for the best and not at all aggravating stealth sequence in MGS history of course.
I'd argue that for its size TX-55 is the most powerful.
>>14020528
Why would he be wearing clothes?
![MetalGearRexX[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2Gk1uA2.jpg "MetalGearRexX[1].jpg")
>>14017687
How is Rex supposed to be deployed to the battlefield anyways? I mean if everything went fine back at Shadow Moses, would Rex simply have walked to where ever it going to serve?
>>14021845
A really big truck.
>>14020338
If we go by Cutscenes, Raiden doesn't take any out actually. Look at the numbering of the RAYs you see during the cutscene after the fight.
>>14021849
More like a Crawler Transporter.
Metal Gears make zero functional sense, even by mecha standards.
Nuclear Submarines already serve the role Metal Gears so, and do it much better.
Metal Gears can't decide whether they want to be walking battle tanks or mobile ICBMs. You couldn't do both in one weapon.
>>14021986
No, you don't understand. If we put the nuclear warheads in the railgun on the giant robot, it won't have to follow the same rules or something of the nuclear missiles we already have.
Yep. It's a good plan.
>>14021859
Damnit, Solidus. Just let your son have this one.
>>14021986
What if your underdeveloped or rogue state doesn't have a Navy? Or doesn't have any coastlines. That (presumably) applies to Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land, maybe even MSF in the Caribbean and DD in the Seychelles. (I don't remember capturing any subs, although maybe you could rig an ICBM launcher on that whaling ship.) The closest thing would be moving nukes via railroad or highway, but Metal Gears have 360-degree, free movement.
>>14020476
>>14020067
Remember that Hal gave the Shadow Moses REX a software upgrade. I guess that doesn't disqualify it, but just stating it for the record. If we forget that, my vote might go to RAY. But I can only imagine how different the REX derivatives produced after Ocelot leaked REX's data were. Maybe Hal based his software upgrade on the performance of REX derivatives. Maybe there are REXs that can transform into a bipedal configuration, like Sahelanthropus.
By the way, can anyone explain to me how ZEKE launches its nuke? Does it use the railgun, like REX? Perhaps it fires it with the railgun, but then in mid-trajectory the missile launches like a conventional missile, rather than like a "bullet" as with REX's stealth nukes. But when Peace Walker had to lug around that huge launcher, it's hard for me to believe that Huey was able to make a nuke-launching railgun out of something never intended to fire nukes, the Chrysalis. And where are the nukes stored? I don't see a big bulky container like with TX-55, D, or REX.
>>14020528
>>14022017
ICBMs can be detected by radars and intercepted or pinpointed back to where it was fired and retaliated against. The point of the nuclear rail gun was that it couldn't be detected on radar, much like you can't detect bullets via radar.
Now what could be argued is the use of B-2 bombers and nuclear bombs covering this role, but you used subs like a silly person. Also, Rex is moe as fuck.
The answer is the Metal Gear Chaioth Ha Qadesh.
>rex's guns
>ray's hydrocutter
>gander's missiles
>mk II's scanning abilities
>jehuty's burst shot
Also it's a living Metal Gear with an autonomous brain and a neutron bomb payload, and could control an army of genetically-engineered slave troops and robots to dominate an irradiated battlefield.
Acid was so batshit.
>>14017673
We're discussing actually canon events
REX sat in the cold for like 10 years, and was still able to beat a RAY.
Keep in mind that RAY was built to beat Metal Gears.
>>14022121
Tell us more about the gritty and realistic events of Metal Gear proper.
>>14022126
I prefer my Metal Gears less gritty
>>14022126
What does that have to do with whether or not something is canon?
>>14022126
>buttmad MGR apologist detected
Sorry it ain't canon, kid.
>>14019987
It wasn't downed. Snake just destroyed the Radome which means that Liquid couldn't see Snake without the cockpit being open. So he opened the cockpit and Snake shot him
>>14022134
Not him but why isn't it canon? I never got that argument beyond, "it's not".
I mean, Metal Gear Rising was originally going to be made by Kojima's team before they realized it was going to suck hard gameplay-wise. I would think that would mean Kojima had a hand in scripting its plot.
Besides, it's the last game in the timeline. It's the DMC2 of the series in that nothing that happens in it impacts another game, so its canonicity is kinda irrelevant.
>>14022149
Because it's really not. That's all it really takes to say something is canon or not. It can be great by itself and such, but it won't be canon. I really enjoyed Babel, but it's not canon either, despite it being amazing when I first played it. And how much of PO is canon is debatable, but at least it's referenced throughout the series a few times to give us an idea of what events actually happened, along with Kojima saying some parts are canon to an extend. Unfortunately, MGR can't say the same. It's not in MGSV's timeline, it's not in the official timeline, and Kojima's gone ahead and said that "only MGS3-4 are considered true metal gear games, and a part of the metal gear saga". Thus effectively rendering everything he hasn't done, and anything he hasn't included in that list are "real MGS games".
>>14017653
Gonna go with REX even though I really like Ocelot's custom piloted RAY.
Shagohod is up there for me as well. Something about granddaddy status and its overall Soviet roughness.
>>14022134
>kid
Don't be stingy anon, caring about canon and worshiping Kojima's word after MGSV is sad at this point. We can all appreciate what's left of this franchise. Especially since MGR is a great game in its own right with better conflict and characters than V. Also it's set so far into the future instead of pushed as some unneeded prequel of some sorts.
/m/ of all people should like what MGR gave us since it was filled to the brim with cyberpunk and mecha designed by Takayuki Yanase.
>>14022160
Kojima also said Big Boss was always a hero, even when he was making 5.
>>14022167
>The koto RAY kit is of MGS4, and not 2
It hurts to live ;_;
>>14022174
Yes, and? That's subjective tho. Kojima's always loved BB. So much that he added himself in GZ just so he could be saved by his husbando.
>>14022149
There's not a clear-cut answer on Rising's "canonicity," because nobody who works on the projects cares enough to decide what is and isn't canon, they're just telling stories. (See also: MPO.) We could just look at continuity, but there's nothing else set after 2014, except the Ac!d games, which we already know are out of continuity with the Solid series.
For me at least, it relies on getting a feel for what Kojima was telling us the post-MGS4 world would be. Part of that was Raiden finally settling down with his family and escaping war, like Old Snake urged him to. That's certainly not a solid basis for calling it non-canon, but then there's this quote of Kojima's translated from an interview (the first question-and-answer):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6OGvhlKNzw
>It's a little bit different from the story that I had in mind, for what would happen after Metal Gear Solid 4. You know, it's kind of Platinum Game's interpretation of the story, and their interpretation of the Metal Gear World. [...] It's sort of a parallel story, at the same time, as well as being a continuation. But it's Platinum's take on the Metal Gear universe.
Even if the story of Metal Gear Solid: Rising had been meant to follow Kojima's vision of the world, that doesn't mean Rising: Revengeance is canon. What I heard is that Platinum asked for the time setting to be changed for the sake of their own creative freedom.
>>14022121
>>14022134
So? Why does canon matter? I swear, people take the canon status of things too seriously, as if it's a commentary on the quality of the work. Or rather, that anything in a work can apparently be dismissed in terms of quality if it wasn't canon.
If canon mattered, I wouldn't enjoy the Star Wars EU.
>>14022177
>shaghohod kit never
>>14022160
Not that anon but why do you have a knee-jerk reaction bordering on autism whenever someone mentions "non-canon" work like here >>14022121.
OP didn't start with autistic "CANON ONLY NIGGERS" prerequisite. /m/ always talked about pic related and others in MG threads. It's like shouting down KOTOR threads because Lucas doesn't like them.
>>14022189
We were talking about Metal Gears in the Metal Gear series, anon. We can't say Godzilla's the strongest monster in Resident Evil if we're talking about Resident Evil, now can we?
>>14022194
I just answered what that other anon asked.
>>14022198
What a retarded and inaccurate analogy.
>>14022198
Excelcius only got the Metal Gear name due to in-universe market branding recognition. No really, it actually doesn't quality as a Metal Gear for any reason other than its funders wanted it to be called out.
>>14022205
Same as Metal Gear RAY, because it's not nuclear equipped.
Metal Gear ZEKE was called a Metal Gear even before they hijacked a nuke for it.
And if you want to be THAT stingy >>14017653 then Peace Walker and really none of the AI machines in PW are Metal Gears. Shagohod is not a Metal Gear either.
Just talk about robots in MGS guys.
>>14022205
isn't the only real Metal Gear qualifier being that it has to either fire Nukes or be designed to neutralize Nuke firing MGs(in the case of Ray)?
>>14022191
THIS. Why the fuck haven't they done it?
>>14022213
Why even is RAY a metal gear? I thought it also had something to do with being bipedal
>>14022212
The shagohod is very certainly not a metal gear, though, that much is even acknowledged in the games
>>14022205
But then we're also disqualifying RAY? And Arsenal Gear, which is sort of more of a Metal Gear than the anti-Metal Gear RAY, because Arsenal doesn't have legs...
You can say RAY is a Metal Gear because it plays a role in the nuclear warfare dynamic previous Metal Gears started, but if you're going to twist the definition that far, why not twist it farther and agree with the logic given in Rising, that anti-cyborg warfare is what's replaced the role of nuclear deterrence, justifying the Metal Gear name?
>>14022212
>Shagohod is not a Metal Gear either.
Well it's not, it was a design by the metal gear designer's competitor.
>>14022212
>/m/
>talking about robots
>>14022218
>>14022226
>The shagohod is very certainly not a metal gear, though, that much is even acknowledged in the games
Yes and Peace Walker/Basilisk, Pupa, Chrysalis and Cocoon are developed from it and they're not Metal Gears despite PW and Shagohod being nuclear equipped. I'm just saying that OP started a thread with a machine not registered as Metal Gear and yet Excelsus is the one getting flak for it.
>>14022222nice quints
Metal Gears in MGS
>the 2 from Metal Gear1+2
>REX
>Peace Walker
>ZEKE later on
>Sahelanthropus
Ray doesn't count because it's not nuclear capable, while still being bipedal. it gets an honorary mention because it's called that throughout the game, but then again
>murheens
>knowing anything
pls
Shagohod's not a metal gear because it was very explicitly created as a rocket tank whereas the metal gear concept was created by someone else. And none of the Peace Walker units are really metal gears if they're not nuclear capable and bipedal.
I still feel thephantom cuckolding.
>>14022241
And out of all of them, Sahelanthropus is the best
>has ARMS and HANDS
>has a SWORD
>Can become a nuke by itself
It SURPASSES Metal Gears
>>14022241
>the 2 from Metal Gear1+2
But there are three? Metal Gear D, G and pic related.
>>14022251
Pity it doesn't fucking work without some psycho slav shota with godlike abilities to puppeteer it. Even the cockpit is cramped. Sasuga Huey.
>>14022189
It kinda matters when discussing a series seriously. Nobody talks about Snake's Revenge here seriously for a reason, moron
>we will never get a VS Metal Gear spinoff featuring deployment missions with REX, RAY etc. with Chromehound gameplay and customization
>instead we get pachinkos
t-thanks Konami
>>14022272
So would you accept that Star Wars has no grey, there's only very very good and very very bad, and anyone who tries to stay neutral is forced to take a side?
Because that's certainly the universe the films created in George's eyes.
>>14022273
I've always wanted to make a diorama of some REX variant in some shithole with a bunch of SOF escort units and a tiny 1/100 Bradley or some other armored unit, but unfortunately, 1/100 modern infantry is pretty much non existent
>>14022272
This isn't the fucking bible where what is held as canon has started actual wars. It's a series of videogames.
>>14022278
Is Force Unleashed significant at all anymore? Canon doesn't care whether or not you care about it or like it at all, regardless of how good it actually is.
>>14022286
At this rate, who knows. It's always funny how MGRfags cry and whine asking for proof about canon, but when dished out, they cry and whine about how canon's irrelevant
>>14022278
So does that mean my donut steel fanfic stealth metal gear that has lasers and a nuke machine gun and can teleport is suddenly worthy of discussion?
>>14022308
Sure, knock yourself out. Do you have a drawing of it?
>>14022280
Suffering.
>what kind of a metal gear you want senpai?
>you know gendums?
>say no more
Is REX really the only MG viable for combat? Rays get taken down by P90s
>>14022340
It had special ammo and Mr. President was shooting it in its head with it.
>>14017653
>Wich
ESL-kun, please go.
>>14022167
They don't include Arsenal Gear
>>14022293
MGR is canon. You not liking it won't change anything.
>>14022413
As someone who thoroughly enjoyed the game and have nothing against it, it's not canon. Koji's said so, and it's even mentioned in ground zeroes. The game's as canon as portable ops, both of which aren't on any of the official timelines.
We were already past this discussion so no need to bring it up again
>>14022121
How is MGRR not canon?
>>14022191
I'd buy one.
I'd also buy a Gekko.
>>14022231
>robots on /m/
MGR is as canon as MG1 and 2.
>>14021986
Hence Arsenal Gear and Outer Haven. What's better than a boomer? Bigger boomers with AIs and railguns and Metal Gears and Russian roulette and hookers (would Haven Troopers count as hookers?)!
>>14020402
Otacon said that any tank could take down REX.
>>14022330
The problem isn't the tech level, what shows that Kojima really stopped caring and went full George Lucas is how he always says to put a Rex head on everything with roaring and everything, when it was originally made because Otacon is a goddamn otaku
>>14017673
I think the Rays would have been better, they have the same weapons but have a far higher mobility and outside of Raiden who was always a top of the line cyborg I don't think anyone else would be able to take out one as easily as he did
>>14023237
But we've seen Raiden take down RAYs pre-cyborg like they were HIND-Ds.
>>14022261
>Even the cockpit is cramped
Huey put Hal in there for a reason! Glorious child pilots will rule the world.
>Sasuga Huey.
>>14022331
op metal gear is op
>>14023232
>Kojima really stopped caring
Well yeah, he didn't want to make another Metal Gear game after the first but Konami forced him to.
>>14022134
Go back to /v/ you fucking cumstain.
>>14023139
I always thought Cyber-Raiden's edgelord design was OTT all the way up until I payed MGRR. It made sense in that setting.
>>14022400
but it's right there, behind the other gears
>>14024564
That's Outer Heaven Anon, not Arsenal.
>>14022121
Revengeance is canon, dummy.
It's latest in the franchise chronologically and the two Metal Gear games released after it don't conflict with the events of Revengeance.
>>14024579
>9/11 fucked up MGS and so many other games/media
why did people have to remain so butthurt that they couldn't see a building fall without having ptsd
>>14024579
It's Outer Haven not outer heaven that's a place. outer haven is a big ass ship
>>14024858
them american flags too
>>14024894
Yeah that, thanks for the fix Anon
>>14024894
>not outer heaven that's a place.
Outer Heaven isn't just a place, it's a concept. An ideal.
>>14024596
>the two Metal Gear games released after it don't conflict with the events of Revengeance.
Continuity isn't the same thing as canonicity. Metal Gear Solid Mobile doesn't conflict with the events of any numbered titles, but that doesn't mean it's canon. Then there's continuity errors between MG1, MG2:SS, and the Solid titles.
>>14023347
Isn't it possible that Mass-Production models are weaker than the Marines' manned prototype, and the one Liquid Ocelot piloted? Save on armor, by relying on sheer numbers.
>>14022429
>[MGR is] as canon as portable ops
I'd argue that MPO is slightly more canon than MGR. MPO is half-canon, or a third-canon. MGR isn't canon at all, it's in an alternate timeline/alternate world.
>>14024943
IIRC yes, the mass produced RAYs were weaker than the prototype and controlled by the GW AI.
>>14022273
>Act 1
1999. You, a young mercenary, seeks employment in Zanzibar Land. Your assignment: fight alongside Gray Fox in Central Asian CIS nations, raiding nuclear storage sites. While your mentor pilots Metal Gear D, you pilot a rebuilt TX-55, or a Gustav. Eventually Gray Fox goes on a sneaking mission, and you act as D's substitute pilot.
>Act 2
2006. The Shadow Moses REX data has leaked to the black market. India, Pakistan, and China are among the nuclear-equipped nations to build their own Metal Gears, which now dot the Indo-Pakistani border, not too far from the former Zanzibar Land and Tselinoyarsk. As one of the few to every pilot a Metal Gear outside of VR, your service is in high demand. Evade the enemy strike forces, and keep your REX in good enough condition to deter the enemy from launching their nukes. But if you're ordered to push the button, will you?
>Act 3
2013. You vowed to never pilot a Metal Gear again. But what about a non-nuclear weapon designed only to neutralize the nuclear-equipped? Now you pilot a RAY for the other side, fighting your former allies in their enhanced REXs, including a truly bipedal Sahelanthropus Rex.
>The final boss
A lone foot-soldier armed with Chaff Grenades and a Stinger.
>Bonus missions
Fight extra-canonical Metal Gears such as GANDER and Chaioth Ha Qadesh, anachronistic weapons such as the Shagohod, Peace Walker, ZEKE and Sahelanthropus, and kaiju such as Genola, Mecha-Genola, and Gurlugon.
>>14025085
>seek, not seeks
>the few to pilot, not the few to every pilot
Consumed by my lust for posting, I fail to edit properly.
>>14022503
Read the thread moron
>>14025085
Are those the koto kits? Shit, I've only seen like one or two of them ever get painted. Got more?
I never got one everyone was so hung up about MGR when it has always been explicitly known to be non canon from the start. It was always a spinoff and nothing more. Where did people even get the idea that it was if kojima's always said it's not even his game to begin with
>>14025202
I just did an image search for "rex and ray". I also found this by a Deviantart user named Shrinkmaster22, which I thought was pretty cool, if only for the name and designation. Rex-Ray, X-Ray...
>>14022259
In 1 we have the original TX-55. In 2 we see the Metal Gear D and have the Metal Gear G hinted to. The G was supposed to make an actual appearance in game but was cut out for some reason.
>>14022167
>models of Zeke are impossible to find/expensive as hell
>>14022323
explain this picture
>>14019987
>downed by one dude
>Required two people (Snake and Grey Fox) to temporarily disable it
>>14024548
Too bad that this excuse doesn't hold when he says that with PW he reignited his will to make MGS games in one of those interviews/podcasts he kept giving before MGSV
>>14023347
Those are the shitty water squirt ones, the one in MGSR had a really fucking powerful plasma cannon on the head along with a heat/high frequency blade on each arm/wing and to stop any jackass from running in its blind stops it has a bunch of anti personel vuncans on its hips and legs
>>14022261
It could have worked though, the one thing Huey did not allow you to forget during the game is how Skull Face is a evil evil man for not allowing him to actually finish developing it, he said that in the end it would have been piloted by a AI since that is the only way for all the systems to work perfectly, Skull Face was the one who came with the idea of a cockpit at the last minute and even then he did the fucktarded thing of trying to trust the control of his mechanical monster to a unstable kid who gets controlled by the strong emotions of anyone in a 3 kilmoters radius.
Everything about Sally was sound if you listen to the tapes, the sword thing was a bunch of that bullshit metallic archaea activating the minerals in the ground and somehow making them explode into spikes and the flying pods were already AI controlled.
I firmly believe the cockpit thing was because Kojima wanted the Liquid fight of mission 51 but was too retarded to manage the budget properly
>>14025883
Why though
>>14025883
i hate this
>>14025883
So, what robots did this steal its limbs from? The arms make me thing of something from gundam, maybe and the legs are familiar but I don't know from where
>>14025941
>legs are familiar
Yeah something I can't put my finger on... >>14024964
>>14025957
Ah its from the MP ones, I only remember the one from MGS4 and Rising and they use a less spiky version
>>14025971
>>14021845
REX was never intended to be a battlefield unit- like all the other Metal Gears before it (barring Sally) it was a nuclear launch platform, not a conventional weapon. That's why REX is only equipped to defend itself from immediate threats, rather than engaging in direct combat where a few tanks and helicopters could probably wreck its shit.
>>14025998
Honestly one of these could make REX a very unhappy mecha
>>14025202
Those are the Half Size version's of 3A's Metal Gear Rex and Ray. I have one of the Rex's, it is very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtXK8_OnDqQ
>>14026004
>A-10
Shot down with railgun
>Tank
Gasaraki episode 4 boost and kung fu edition
>>14026069
>pinpoint accurate shooting of a flying object
Not saying it can't be done, but that's one trick shot that I think outside of Quiet is neigh impossible in the MGS universe.
>>14026080
Ocelot made a comment in MGSV that makes me wish we could've gotten an Ace Combat X Metal Gear starring Quiet.
>>14026080
>Liquid shot down five F-16s with a HIND-FUCKING-D
>mmmyeah, shooting down jets is literally impossible, mmkay?
Liquid could make the shot. A-10s aren't even that fast.
>>14026253
>shoot down fighters with anti-aircraft missiles equipped on an attack helicopter
>shoot down an A-10 with a slug fired out of a rail gun
Ducks aren't that fast but it's still hard to hit them with a slug from a 12 gauge than with buck shot.
>>14023232
Nah fuck you, Sahelanthropus is fucking perfect.
>>14026284
Are you comparing a railgun to a 12 gauge? In any case, both REX and the A-10 share the same machine gun cannon, but REX has two of them, making it the clear winner.
>>14026287
Go drown in a pool Huey.
>>14026287
Nah man, I liked it but, it really did not make sense to exist in the past since it was one of the most advanced Metal Gears in the franchise
>>14017653
RAY is cutest and Yoji's favorite and that's all that matters.
>>14026311
Yes, I'm comparing firing slugs from a 12 gauge at ducks doing low level flight passes at you to shooting the rail gun at A10s.
>>14025987
Got any more of these sexy papes?
>>14028239
>>14028247
>>14028250
>>14028247
Thank you based anon!
>>14028250
>>14028254
You're welcome Anon
>>14022046
The railgun took he round to supersonic speeds. Compressors in its construction then turned it into a SCRAM missile, delivering it down to the target.
>>14026080
Against an A-10C, you don't need a direct connect: the velocity of the railgun round creates a delta wave compression force behind the shot (the "flame" we see in NAVY tests).
This compression wave is known to disrupt the laminar airflow over an aircraft's wing.
A miss will literally not only stall an A-10C but the shockwave following will cripple the fragile components of its engines.
The railgun doesn't need to hit the A-10C to even damage it just have a near miss.
>>14025835
You know high pressure water jets are used to cut through titanium that plasma cutters aren't hot or dense enough to cut through right?
Plasma weapons are only good as thermal energy translation weapons: For cutting purposes they're actually not that dense and only really do well when you've got a lot of patience and you need a lot of precision.
>>14028380
That is what I didn't understand, why equip metal gears with precision cutting tools when giving a cannon that could inflict much more damage on enemy metal gears and armies if need be, this is why I say the Desperado MP ones are better, look at all the destruction a single one caused to a whole city in the first 5 minutes it appeared
>>14028368
I don't know if I'd consider an A-10 fragile, but I see your point.
>>14019950
>Sex King
He should have knelt. Leonidas' mind would've been blown (amongst other body parts).
>>14028398
Because REX's armour was so thick. Conventional weapons couldn't scratch it.
The water cutter was something they could equip to RAY that wasn't unwieldy that could cut REX's armour. Not to mention that since it traveled by water, it could take in water for the jet cutter. It didn't need to be equipped with heavy armour piercing shells or anything
>no one bothered to recover Rex after 4
>it's now 2000 leagues under the sea
They could've rebuilt it.
They could've disarmed it and used it as a display.
Or repurposed for Outer Heaven battle in last act.
>>14028542
I was hoping we'd get to fight some REX derivatives in Metal Gear Rising. The plans leaking onto the black market and every country having their own version was the whole point behind RAY, wasn't it?
Yet, more and more RAYs get jobbed.
>>14028560
>plans leaking onto the black market and every country having their own version was the whole point behind RAY
That's what the US government wants you to think happened to justify the spending for RAY.
>>14028560
Well GRADs are like mini REXs.
>>14028563
No that's what Solidus literally did after the end of MGS1. He leaked it to poor countries that had no resources to make them though.
>>14024943
>Then there's continuity errors between MG1, MG2:SS, and the Solid titles.
By that measure, MGRR is just as canon as the rest of them.
>>14028542
My dream was always that in ZOE 3 (RIP in peace) you'd encounter an Orbital Frame built off of REX that belches black smoke andhad an AI based on Snake
>>14028598
I can dig that.
>>14028577
I think we're saying the same thing? Yes the info leaked but not everyone was building their own Metal Gears. Butand this is purely conjecture/spitballingSears used the fear that there were armies of Metal Gears everywhere to get the RAY project pushed and that's why you don't see REX derivatives everywhere in MGRR.
>>14028597
Except it's not, cause you know, a licensed fanfic doesn't mean anything aside of being fan service
>>14028904
>cause you know, a licensed fanfic doesn't mean anything aside of being fan service
I hate to hear people throw around stupid terms like "licensed fanfic" it's so disingenuous and smarmy.
In any case Kojima himself back in 2013 said it functions as both a continuation and parallel version of the events after MGS4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6OGvhlKNzw
>>14028575
I tend to think of GRADs as advanced Gekkos, which are mini REX-RAY hybrids.
>>14028732
Whoever said Sears was behind the push for RAY? Sears was probably ousted for power before anyone saw the need for RAY. RAY was the Marines' project; I don't know if Scott Dolph himself was the one who pushed for an anti-Metal Gear, or if he was just a true believer in its purpose. The existence of RAY did seem to be an anti-Patriot measure, competing with the Patriot's Arsenal Gear program, and Dolph explicitly saw himself as the Patriots' enemy. What I can't remember is whether the Patriots never wanted RAY to exist, or if they wanted it to exist so long as it ended up a supplement to Arsenal Gear.
Another thing I don't understand is whether or not the Metal Gear world contains more nations with nuclear weaponry than our own. The US, Russia, Britain, France, China, India, and Pakistan have nukes in real life, and presumably in the Metal Gear world too, so they could actually use Metal Gears. Then there are cases like Israel. But what about other countries? What about those rogue states Dolph mentioned? Did the data Ocelot leaked also come with free nuclear bomb instructions?
>>14028598
I remember a Mei Ling codec conversation where Snake and Mei Ling argue about whether feelings and memories can be digitized. It was sort of an unintended foreshadowing of the Patriot AIs and so on, but it'd also make for a good foreshadowing of your scenario. Kind of bittersweet, really.I can't imagine he'd appreciate being used to make an AI, nor would his AI.
>>14029009
>waah, how dare people use terms I don't! Better use a bunch of buzzwords to express my displeasure
This is what you sound like.
>>14029091
>Better use a bunch of buzzwords to express my displeasure
But that's -exactly- what you did, you hypocrite. And of course, you ignore the rest of the post because your argument was weak as fuck in the first place.
Scuttle off now.
>>14020338
Mass Produced RAYs which are shit
>>14029009
>I hate to hear people throw around stupid terms like "licensed fanfic" it's so disingenuous and smarmy.
That's exactly what it is, though. What else could it be? It's not canon, and it's not the original creator's content. Instead it just takes pre existing characters and adds in other new people, some of which are LITERALLY teleports behind you-unsheathes katana-nothing personnel kid tier.
it's a fanfic. A licensed one at that.
>In any case Kojima himself back in 2013 said it functions as both a continuation and parallel version of the events after MGS4.
>"It's Platinum Games' interpretation of the Metal Gear world."
>"It's different from what I had in mind."
>MGRfags are this illiterate.
Since you clearly can't into math, let me use pictures to explain what he means
MGS3-MGS4 canon timeline -------------------->
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MGS4-MGR continuation timeline ------------->
And the reason why MGR is the way it is to begin with is precisely because Kojima wanted it to be NOT his game, in NOT his universe, so Platinum could have fun with it and make something different.
>>14028408
You can't fly an A-10C through a hurricane. The wake of a railgun's delta pressure differential is literally shooting hurricanes at things.
>>14028398
Because plasma weapons have an extremely high rate of collateral damage; water, after striking an object while hot, does not cause additional damage and has an extremely low collateral damage rate.
The other thing to consider is that a precision cutting tool at set ranges is actually a cannon; the water pressure compression cannon has an effective range of about half a mile because a major principle of its design isn't just compression but decompression, inside a target.
That is, if you crack armor even slightly the pressure will rip it open from the inside.
Against a weapon hardened against conventional weapons, plasma is just a thermobaric warhead on steroids. The water-cannon is literally putting a cutting a hole and then making the interior expand AGAINST the OPPOSITE direction it is enforced against.
Also, you're seriously underestimating how powerful the density of water actually is compared to the ultra low density of plasma for cutting. Its like a laser of water that then causes the inside to explode the moment a cut is made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFOvvTFo7Q
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/energy/question553.htm
Water cannons are also frighteningly effective against layered composites like chobham which is classically considered close to invulnerable. It gets into the layers and rips it apart, like peeling a scab off.
REX Derivatives are all armored using composite ceramics. Your cannon would be a poor choice.
Seriously, try to imagine the most horrific storms you can and then imagine the medium transmitting them - the fluid medium - is denser and the transmission of energy is more intense.
The water when the shuttle takes off? The ice? Its to absorb shockwaves that are so intense they would rip the shuttle apart and set fire to grass that's four miles away.
Water is terrifying if you're using it properly. Don't knock it: You can get your entire body ripped through a space the size of your fingernail like you were made of soup and the pressures we're dealing with in a water-cannon are hundreds of times greater than those of the sea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMHwri8TtNE
>>14028904
>MGR
>licensed
Pick one.
>>14029949
>Instead it just takes pre existing characters and adds in other new people, some of which are LITERALLY teleports behind you-unsheathes katana-nothing personnel kid tier.
You literally just described the entirety of the MGS lore.
Congratulations on disproving your own argument.
>>14029949
That's like saying the recent Star Wars cartoons are not canon.
Just because you as an individual cannot personally accept it as canon, doesn't it make it non-canon. MGR, like the SW cartoons, are official entries to a franchise and held to a high canon.
>>14030772
I like to think of MGSR as an action movie set in the universe that's based very loosely on a true story, that's glitsed up for the public.
Think of the Gundam 00 movie. The movie in the show about the end of the show where Tieria was some black dude.
MGSR is the universe reflecting on its own tropes an making fun of itself.
>>14030745
>You can't fly an A-10C through a hurricane
Checks out, though pretty close.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a7485/weather-studying-warthog-a-fixed-up-a-10-will-fly-into-thunderstorms/
Sauce on the delta pressure difference being similar to hurricanes? And at what distance would the difference dissipate enough to not have a negative effect on the A-10?
>>14030766
>>14030772
>>14030785
Alright you fags. Where's your evidence MGR is canon?
>>14031224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7BTtiAQuZ0
That wasn't very hard
>>14031224
Kojima said it was?
>>14029949
Actually he said that before he played it. After playing it he said he loved it and it's definitely canon
>>14030825
MGSR never came out fuck off
MGRR is more Metal Gear then MGSV
>>14022213
Yeah that's why ray is considered a metal gear its still part of nuclear strategy even if its role in it is taking out nuke launching MGs.
>>14031240
>Not Kojima saying it
>There's a recent interview with Kojima explicitly excluding it from the rest of the series
>>14031317
When?
>>14031323
Playing it and loving it doesn't make it canon. Especially when he's said what makes a "real Metal Gear game" and what doesn't.
>Rising is canon
>>14031362
>moving goal post
Konami owns Metal Gear, anything Kojima says on the matter doesn't matter anymore. Remember?
>>14031403
>His material
>What he says doesn't matter
Platinum doesn't own it either. And if we're going to play that card, MGR matters even less because konami doesn't want it anyways
>>14031406
Technically "his" material has always been Konami's material. That's how IPs and contracts work in game development Anon. It's why he can't make another Metal Gear game anymore.
>>14031412
That also means platinum's game isn'f canon because it's not konami's
>>14031591
Konami owns the IP and rights to MGR, Platinum is a 3rd party studio that Konami paid to develop the title. Platinum cannot make another MGR title without Konami's permission.
Do you think Capcom's handheld LoZ titles are not canon because they were hired out by Nintendo to develop them?
>le ebin rising is canon maymay
I don't know why people argue about this to this day. Kojima's gone ahead and given us a list of the games that matter story wise, in his own words. What he thinks about rising, mpo, acid and ghost babel don't matter. What the games are about or if they're good or not don't matter. Who owns the thing or not doesn't matter. If you like portable ops, rising or babel, it doesn't matter. Story's canon timeline is 3-4, no less, no more.
And before you niggers claim Kojima doesn't matter, remember that he's the man who made the series the way it is, for better or worse. And if you guys didn't give a shit about what he says or what he thinks, you wouldn't be trying so hard to fit in your headcanons into his picture.
>>14031824
>Story's canon timeline is 3-4
For Metal Gear, sure. The events in MGR are so far removed from the story of "Big Boss" that they're of little consequence to that main plot line.
How this marks it as non-canon though I'll never understand.
>>14031850
>it's far removed from the series' timeline
>MGR rides MGS2 and 4's coattails to no end
Please, MGR is only a meme. It literally just keeps spewing the same shit MGS2 and 4 say. Snake''s lack of presence doesn't mean the game's universe doesn't depend entirely on metal gear.
Is Acid canon? Same scenario
>>14031873
>keeps spewing the same shit MGS2 and 4 say
I hope it's not because it takes place after them and the world is still trying to cope with the events that occurred. But that'd be silly, who would continue using elements from previous titles to continue building off of when you can just do something completely different?
>>14031362
>Just because he said it's canon makes it not canon
>>14032096
When does he say it's canon?
>>14032110
it was an interview after the game came out
>>14031317
Kojima doesn't own the rights to the Metal Gear franchise. The property has always belonged to Konami. Kojima and his studio were just the long time developers of it. It's like when a sports team relocates to another city: Although the host city is subject to change, the owners are ultimately the ones that have the rights to the team no matter where they play.
>>14031330
>MGRR is more Metal Gear then MGSV
>>14031824
Who cares about what Kojima thinks? He doesn't own the rights to the Metal Gear franchise so what he says doesn't matter.
It's like saying The Force Awakens isn't canon because George Lucas didn't write it.
He actually did end up becoming the weapon to surpass Metal Gear.
>>14033105
arguments about canon aside, I actually did kind of like that it was implied Metal Gears were already becoming obsolete/phased out in Rising in favor of cyborgs and more human-sized technology.
There's just this poetic justice to the idea that after all this commotion throughout the series about Metal Gears changing the face of warfare forever and all that, it ends up being a fluke while the REAL war revolution...cybernetics, was cooking outside notice in the background.
>>14032143
Link?
>>14032368
It's not canon either
>>14033227
Ohhh here we go.
>>14032368
>Who cares about what Kojima thinks?
Apparently you if you care so much about forcing MGR into his canon.
Whether you like it or not, his storyline is important because well, it sets up the story from start to finish.
>>14033227
>>14033222
You won't get anything. There is literally zero proof that MGR is canon, but a lot to say otherwise
This is an old debate /m/ you're late to the party.
I think the word everyone's looking for is Apocyphical. Kojima himself has used the word "spin-off" multiple times when referring to MGSR, never specifically that it was non-canon.
However, he hasn't outright said it's canon either...but what many here are sort of twisting the truth of is that his stance seems to be that whatever happens after MGS4 is irrelevant. HIS saga has always been the story of the Snakes, which concludes with MGS4. Anything that happens after MGS4, until stated otherwise (which is obviously unlikely now) is apocryphical in nature because it's not relevant to the Big Boss/Solid Snake story.
In other words, whether it's canon or not is up to you. Kojima doesn't care either way. He's stated that Rising is generally Platinum's take on what happens to Raiden after MGS4, but otherwise it's not really important to him.
So...if you want it to be canon, go ahead. If you don't, that's fine too. He's said NOTHING definitive either way.
>>14033236
>Whether you like it or not, his storyline is important because well, it sets up the story from start to finish.
The thing is that Kojima's contribution to the MG mythos isn't all of it.
What Kojima thinks about anything outside of that is irrelevant and doesn't make other official entries into the franchise any more or less canon.
>>14033135
Metal Gears were doomed to fail anyway.
>>14033316
Official according to whom?
You?
>>14031385
>everybody ignores/denies this
>>14033315
We at least have Konami employees stating it's canon and since Konami owns the IP... >>14031240
>>14033316
>What Kojima thinks about anything outside of that is irrelevant and doesn't make other official entries into the franchise any more or less canon.
If we went back in time to 1990, this logic would mean that Snake's Revenge is canon. And, it was... but it wasn't canon to Kojima, and when someone makes MGS6, it won't be canon to me. It'll be "Konami canon," but not "Kojima canon." MGR is "Platinum canon," and arguably "Konami canon," but not "Kojima canon."
The same goes for Star Wars, the old EU/Legends, and the "new canon." You can say that those who only see the first three or the first six films as canon are stubbornly autistic, but even the sentiment behind the latter was reflected in the films being "G-canon" before the Disney deal.
However, there's no law of fiction stating that the IP holders are the masters of canon. You can look to the IP holders to decide what's canon, but you can also look to individual artists. If you want to consider Tomino's entries in the Universal Century to be canon, and disregard the OVAs, that's perfectly acceptable.
Is the Silmarillion canon, despite its revisions being unfinished when Tolkien died? It's "estate canon," while the works published in his lifetime are "Tolkien canon."
There is no Canon, only canons.
>>14033887
I'm just saying that this is for all intents and purposes, Kojima's stance on it as far as anyone knows.
The thing is that ultimately it doesn't matter. That Snake's Revenge example isn't fair, because obviously back then there's no way Kojima knew how big this series would get. Obviously now, Snake's Revenge existing would contradict whole games as well as the established in-universe events.
MGSR is different because whether it's canon or not, it doesn't matter. It doesn't contradict anything, and it doesn't affect anything before MGS4.
I'm just saying all this because I'm seeing people throwing out the notion that they believe if Kojima doesn't think it's canon, then it doesn't matter what Konami says it's not "real" Metal Gear, but the thing is that he's never said it's not canon. He's tip-toed around it, and since MGSR's canon status as I said doesn't matter...unless he says very specifically that it's not then it can go either way depending on whether people want to go with what Konami says or not.
My two cents...I like to think MGSR is canon. Whatever the case though, it doesn't really matter.
>>14033801
That's a platinum dev, moron. It doesn't matter what they say
>>14033972
>MGSR is different because whether it's canon or not, it doesn't matter. It doesn't contradict anything, and it doesn't affect anything before MGS4.
Here's an interview with Kojima which has already been linked twice above:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6OGvhlKNzw
MGR doesn't contradict anything in the numbered titles explicitly, but it does contradict "what Kojima had in mind." Another way of saying this is it contradicts the "tone" of MGS4. It might not be the first time that a happy ending was partly negated in a sequel, but when you couple that with Kojima seeing MGR as Platinum's interpretation of his world, that's enough for me to see MGR as belonging to its own canon.
MGSR refers to the early version of MGR before Platinum's involvement, when it was set between MGS2 and MGS4. I think that hypothetical game might have had a different canonical status. Maybe Kojima would've considered it a part of "his world" if it had been completed by his KojiPro protégés rather than Platinum. Maybe it would've been partly canon like MPO rather than "parallel" like Rising.
>I'm just saying this because I'm seeing people throwing out the notion that they believe if Kojima doesn't think it's canon, then it doesn't matter what Konami says it's not "real" Metal Gear, but the thing is that he's never said it's not canon.
There are dumb comments on both sides. People have a lot of crappy reasons for calling MGR non-canon. But I still think I have good reasons for calling MGR non-canon (in the context of a "Kojima canon") using that interview to justify them.
>>14033975
wut?
>>14034040
>contradict "what Kojima had in mind."
But that's the crux of the issue. It doesn't matter what Kojima had in his mind anymore as he's no longer a part of Konami and no longer associated with the Metal Gear IPas painful as it is to type out.
Is Star Wars EP VIII non-canon because it contradicts what was in Lucas' mind?
>>14034040
You forgot to mention that Kojima's also actually made his stance pretty clear on the subject.
>>14033972
>Kojima's stance on it as far as anyone knows.
Nah, everybody knows it. He wanted Rising to be a thing, gave up, gave up with his studio, and then handed it over to Platinum to do something about it because he didn't care for it anymore, and wanted to focus on actual canon events for the storyline. He likes MGR, and thinks of it as a fun game, but he's always made it crystal clear that it's not his game, it's not his story, not a part of his story, and not a part of his timeline. He always says it's Platinum's interpretation. He threw in parallel for a reason, and in recent timelines- one of which he had full control of -he excluded it anyways, while still sticking out for parts of MPO. He clearly says "Any MGS game that wasn't made by me, isn't a real Metal Gear game." it doesn't matter who's the MC, what year it takes place or what happens or how good it is, it's not a formal entry into Metal Gear that should be considered canon. I fucking loved AC!D, and it ain't canon anyway.
>>14034067
The difference here is, Lucas sold out whereas Kojima still cares about MGS to some extent. Whatever Konami decides to do now won't matter or mean as much as it did when Kojima was at the helm of the thing. The very reason he said what games are important make up the "real Metal Gear Saga" was precisely because he understood that much. He wanted to make sure that fans knew what actually counted years to come.
And if we're talking about "who doesn't care about what", Konami never wanted the platinum project to begin with, and may likely never hand it over again, if they even consider making a game for the series again.
>>14034067
I might call things canon or non-canon, but I'm implicitly saying "canon according to X" and "non-canon according to Y." We should escape such small-minded binaries as "canon" and "non-canon."
Star Wars EP VIII is canon to the new Star Wars canon overseen by Lucasfilm Story Group. But you can go back and watch EP VI and recognize it as something made without EP VII or VIII in mind. (At least, not the EP VII and VIII we have in our own parallel universe.) Really, for each of the hundreds of creatives who've helmed an original Star Wars product, there's one of hundreds of reimagined Star Wars universes.
>>14034067
Is acid canon?
>>14022188
My opinion is that the events are actually happening but the over the top crap is from the perspective of Raiden, which is why it is not as "real" as when snake is looking at the world.
Which I think is a good way to reconcile Kojima's usual style and some of the crazy shit that happens in the game.
Also it makes the aforementioned quotation mean "Shit was from Raiden's perspective, but is not indicative of actual reality."
Although MGS is dead anyways so there is no point in debating canonicity.
>>14031127
The variables involved in this math are huge. We're talking like six different numbers. Round diameter, length, round velocity, weather conditions, air pressure and altitude for one.
If I had to ballpark it, I'd say a near miss within an area the size of a culdesac would because it happens so suddenly, throw the A10C into a spin with lift on one wing normal and the other negative due to the suction force of the air trying to fill the gap behind the round.
It could if used properly with computer control, render aircraft short of rocketry and balloons totally useless without a thrust to weight ratio large enough to lift itself on thrust alone and enough thrust distribution (ie from the front also) to stay upright and not spin.
>>14033368
>Official according to whom?
Konami.
>>14034105
There really isn't much difference between Lucas and Kojima with their respective franchises. While Lucas realized that he took his creation as far as he could and passed it on to Disney, Kojima had a nasty breakup with Konami and may have ultimately affected the story of MGSV.
According to your logic, there will never be another "true Star Wars" outside Episodes I-VI and the EU was never canon in before Disney's whitewashing of it since Lucas barely had any involvement in most of the EU stories when ever he actually did get involved and VII never happened.
>>14034209
>Although MGS is dead anyways so there is no point in debating canonicity.
Yeah this is how most Castlevania fans feel now a days
>>14034906
The difference here is Lucas hardly gave a shit about what happened to SW as long as it turned a buck. Something that's pretty clear after all these years. He's always been fine with shit being added or taken off as long as it "worked some sense" out and still sold. To the point of even letting fan original canon be a significant aspect of the story. So what Lucas thinks or says hardly matters if he hardly gives it any importance.
Kojima on the other hand established a timeline and legacy he cares about in some way, to the point of stating what's to be considered a "true" MGS game, regardless of where it came from. It's unfortunate what happened between him and Konami, but even that shouldn't affect the current standing. If Kojima were to somehow make another MGS entry out of Konami, you bet your ass he and everyone else would count it in as a true entry to the storyline. Otherwise what's stopping ACID, MPO or Babel from being canon either? They're all licensed by Konami too. However all of them, MGR included, are never included in any timelines where every event and character in the series is accounted for. Either by Kojima, or even more so by Konami.
>>14035323
>MGRfags so desperately grasping at anything to make their story canon
It's kinda sad actually.
>>14035357
>MGR isn't canon, Kojima had no part in it!
>Kojima wrote the story
>Konami says it's canon
>HA you fags are desperate!
u wot?
>>14035372
>He didn't sit to watch the credits of the game
>>14035397
And apparently lived under a rock throughout all its development.
>>14035372
Are you ESL?
>>14035316
You could swap around the Kojima/Lucas names and franchise titles and your argument would still be just as subjective and evident that the post is more about how you feel about either franchise and creator in effort to advance one side of the argument when it clearly does nothing for it.
Both Kojima and Lucas established a timeline and legacy while they were working on their franchises.
Both Kojima and Lucas had the mythos of their respective franchises spin out of control devolve into aberrations of the original story.
They're no different.
>>14035357
How's that any different than your "B-but Kojima-san said..." argument?
>>14035469
Because you clearly don't know what the development for the game was and still try to pass it off as fact. You're either baiting, or retarded.
>>14035478
And how does that relate to the canon of the series as whole?
Why are you nerds still fighting over this when MGSV established the official final timeline, and Konami killed the series? Show's over, go home.
>>14035489
So you've confirmed you're retarded. Gotcha.
I AM THE STRONGEST!!!
>>14035461
They're different because there's evidence from Konami and Kojima rhat suggest otherwise. Once again, Kojima set it straight clearly for the express purpose of setting it as straight as a ruler, and Konami backed it up. How is that so hard to understand? It very clearly matters who said what and why in this case as opposed to lucas for that same reason. Otherwise, are all the other spinoffs canon? Yes or no? Konami owns and licensed all of them. Why are those not taken into any major timelines and instead count for themselves? Because they're parallel spinoffs and only that? Seems pretty clear.
>>14035548
>Kojima set it straight clearly for the express purpose of setting it as straight as a ruler, and Konami backed it up.
>How is that so hard to understand?
Because times change. At one point there were key points in the Star Wars EU that were accepted as universal canon. Most of that all got flushed away a couple of years ago. The point being that an entity can do whatever they want with their property and what one of their agents might say during promotional material can all be retconned into oblivion.
In the end, what Kojima and Lucas have said in the past or will say in the future have no real bearing on the franchise that they are no longer a part of.
>>14035518
No.
You just realized that the actual development of a franchise has no effect of on its official lore so you resorted to name calling because your argument lead you to a dead end.
>>14035397
>>14035411
Huh, last I read he had sent them a script for writing, but I guess it was changed to a different KojiPro writer, Etsu Tamari. I'll admit to being wrong on that, but what does being ESL have to do with anything?
>>14035609
>hurr it won't always be that way
Or course it won't but my question is, how do YOU know? Are you from the future? Do they release MGS6, and has Raiden continue the story with Sunny in 2035? How do we know they won't choose to like AC!D's story more and go after that instead?
All you've done is shit out hypotheticals over and over again. We live in the present, numbskull. As of right now, the undeniable and unrefutable storyline is snake eater to guns of the patriots. We have a timeline and interviews that acknowledge that, by both Kojima and Konami. What if Konami flat out decides to never touch MGS again? What then, nigger?
>>14033254
You know it's one of the first links on google right?
MGR-FAGS BROWN THE FUCK OUT
http://solidkenny87.tumblr.com/post/97125545680/clearer-translation-of-kojimas-mpo-answer
>>14035701
>Let it be absolutely clear; within series creator Hideo Kojima, rather than divide games as “canon” and “not-canon”, he divides games as “A Hideo Kojima Game” and NOT-“A Hideo Kojima Game.”
Don't those essentially mean the same thing?
>>14035658
You mean shit that's been disproven? >>14035620
>too stupid/illiterate to read the thread and everything in it that disproves whatever some lowly platinum dev says
>thinking he deserves better than namecalling
>>14035715
>lowly platinum dev says
Why perpetuate the lie that was disproven Anon? >>14034047
