>Gives 0 shits about killing someone
>Doesn't fuck around thinking "Oh god what should I do?" All the time. Relegates that pussy shit to Shit-hime.
>Fights like man; no lazers, no beam sabers, no super robot reality breaking shit like Turn A/G Gundam
>Thinks katana is a worthless piece of scrap, instead opts for superior mace which is good at bashing in armor
>Would probably give the best hate sex out of any pilot
Mika is the best gundam pilot we've had since Amuro. Prove me the fuck wrong. The only one who has come close is Setsuna.
>>13994338
Nice copy/paste.
>>13994338
This post is probably shitposting but I honestly agree with all these statements
>>13994338
>amuro
you know that amuro was also a pussy
mika is entirely different from amuro
>>13994380
It is. It's a pasta from one of the other IBO threads. That post might not have been shitposting I guess, but probably was too.
>>13994492
>you know that amuro was also a pussy
Someone didn't watch the whole of 0079.
>>13994338
Maybe some people don't appreciate a sociopath protagonist.
Setsuna a shit.
>>13994338
>>Gives 0 shits about killing someone
He is messed up in brain .Any sane person would know it's rather terrifying and really tragic for a child to be like that.Heck even his co-pilots thought he went too far in this episode,and that says a lot.
In short,not something makes him badass
>>Doesn't fuck around thinking "Oh god what should I do?" All the time. Relegates that pussy shit to Shit-hime.
See above. Addendum is that also makes his character bare bones compared to Heero Yui.
Past episodes he has been pretty much invisible,just a psychopath Gundam pilot ready to kill.
>>Fights like man; no lazers, no beam sabers, no super robot reality breaking shit like Turn A/G Gundam
It's not something he does by choice.There is no beam rifle technology and trust me if there were he would had spammed that even after the machines gets overheated.Oh and Ahab Reactor can create artificial gravity ,so who knows what might come out of it.
>>Thinks katana is a worthless piece of scrap, instead opts for superior mace which is good at bashing in armor
Katana is a thin pole while Dino mace is hammer.Only unsophisticated can't see the art of using katana for smooth kills.Only uneducated fools use brute force.Which Mikazuki is. Of course I won't like my gundam protag to be unlikeable uneducated berserker
(/s)
>>Would probably give the best hate sex out of any pilot
He is a deadpan poker face who is too autistic for something like Sex(unless someone does it before his eyes and tries to unknowingly rape kudelia later on).Leave the hate-sex part to Akihiro (aka discount Guts)
Setsuna had lots of stuff in his character compared to Mikazuki,who was just a psycho so far and haven't been fallen into any character conflict like Orga does.
Wew,I had to became an autistic enough dude to answer your bait.
>has no presence in his own show
>has no character or motivations of his own
>despite this he's supposed to be the main character
lol
guys like chirico is how you do the cold stoic MC properly, not this goon
>>13994338
>best character
>sociopath
k
Even Shinn is better
He's not a badass. He just literally gives no fucks about anything or anyone and does what he thinks he's supposed to.
>>13994338
So why does he come off as actually evil to the viewer then?
>>13994672
Not him, but let's be honest, you were always autistic
>>13994687
I wouldn't say evil, just a mindless animal.
>>13994687
How is it evil to avenge a comrade. No one is inherently evil in this anime. These kids didn't come up with the SE normal upbringing as you, they would ruin the character if they made him seem logical and compassionate. He's a fucking space child soldier, do you honestly expect more from him? You guys are actually terrible at this, you would complain his upbringing doesn't match his attitude but when it does you say "ohhhh nooo too violent, be nice mika. She killed your best friend? Don't be mad, just duel her for honor".
Shut the fuck up with your baby slice of life bull shit, this is how a child soldier should act, this is how the series should be.
>>13994687
Because that's what disassociative sociopaths are. Killing and death literally do not affect him in any way. That is not normal, right, or good. He is going to snap, and if he doesnt, Okada is a fucking retard.
>>13994676
While it is true that originally he didn't have much of a character outside of being Orga's personal attack dog, it's recently being shown that he's subtly manipulating Orga to put the whole of Tekkadan on the warpath. He may or may not have lied to Orga about Biscuit's final conversation with him, but even that has a reason for it, that being Tekkadan falling apart at the seams without Orga holding them together. Right now he's just a fucking psychopath, but what would you expect from a kid who's been raised as a soldier and took his first life when he was like seven?
He does have motivation as well, albeit it only came into focus this episode. He has been portrayed as very protective of those he considers friends when he nearly killed gali gali when he thought he ran Cookie and Cracker over. Right now one of his best friends died and the killer was standing right in front of him. He has a tendency to pick the most violent option available and is willing to manipulate the person he considers to be an older brother in order to get what he wants; revenge.
Arguably the show has two real main characters, him and Orga. The show does elaborate quite a bit on their interactions and how living up to the expectations of a crazy kid brother who thinks killing people is fine doesn't do wonders for a man's sanity, and that in some cases the crazy kid brother is justified, and in others not entirely wrong about killing everything in his way.
>>13994672
He picked the mace because it gets the job done better. With the sword you actually have to target weak spots in the armor whereas you can just smash things to bits with a blunt object. There's a reason why maces were often employed in medieval warfare against armored knights; braining someone through his helmet was easier than stabbing him through a thin slit in the helmet.
>>13994706
It did affect him slightly though. His hands shook after he killed Kudel and was asked if he actually enjoyed killing. Although it seems like he's going to convince himself of this soon or somewhere in the next season.
>>13994716
Yeah. Because he told him he does. Mika is that one kid from Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita. Except he can talk.
>>13994338
He is literally the "white devil" archetype
>money says he's stricken with white guilt season two
>>13994722
that would be another problem in itself. You see, oftentimes in-franchise, once a cold killer becomes disillusioned of what he has done, he reverts into something that /m/ generally doesn't like.
(eg. see Kira, Kio)
>>13994704
>How is it evil to avenge a comrade.
When the comrade never wanted it to begin with.
Merribit knew Biscuit couldn't care less for violence, tried telling them how messed up the situation was and they spit on his grave without hesitation.
>>13994721
While it is true that he doesn't have much of an opinion regarding anything, he doesn't exactly stand by the sidelines. He relegates all thinking to Orga because it's what he's been doing since he was a child. He was never taught right from wrong, only how to kill. It's no surprise he doesn't have a moral compass, in his line of work having one is a liability. He also thinks in rather simple terms; us and them. If a person isn't of of 'us', then they must be the enemy and eliminated.
>>13994733
Merribit did, but when Orga was kicking himself over Biscuit's death, guess who was moping around instead of reassuring him and defusing the situation? Granted, Mika's method wasn't the best nor the most tactful. It wasn't even portrayed that way in the show. But with Orga a wreck, Tekkadan was falling apart and Mika did his bit to try and solve the problem, by getting Orga to whip the kids out of their funk. Do take note that it was only after Orga made his speech and restored morale to his group that Merribit made her stance clear, and by then it was much too late. If they carried on moping about they all would have died.
>>13994692
that dosen't counters my counters to OP and secondly it's autistic to call someone stranger autist just because the person dosen't agrees with you.
>>13994712
>He picked the mace because it gets the job done better. With the sword you actually have to target weak spots in the armor whereas you can just smash things to bits with a blunt object. There's a reason why maces were often employed in medieval warfare against armored knights; braining someone through his helmet was easier than stabbing him through a thin slit in the helmet.
If the (/s) couldn't give you any clue that I was sarcastic,then I don't know what it is.
Of course Dino-mace is better if you have giant robot that can swing it easily and remain highly mobile.
>>13994733
Adding on to what >>13994742 said, Merribit can also be said to be just as much at fault as Mika for the state their bunch is in. Mika did wait for Merribit to go talk to Orga. He looked at her and expected her to do something. It was only when she didn't that he kicked Orga in the pants.
>>13994727
Thank you for the You
I made a thread saying he was going to become a "Shinji" "Sheemone" level crybaby season 2 BEFORE season 2 was announced
Obviously they denied the possibility of season 2
Now no one responds to my prophecy. The inevitable.
> war is bad and you should feel bad
>but we need soldiers so don't feel too bad
>>13994712
of all the bunch he turned to be the one being the pscyhopath. Since only 2 epsiodes left, I wonder will they ever show that pivotal moment in Orga and Mika's life where he snapped,killed a dude (who was about to fuck them) and totally turns into a bloodlust khornate berserker with Orga as his leader/one he follows.
>>13994761
> Season 2 hasn't actually been announced
> Mika hasn't turned anything yet
Might be announcing your prophet status early there anon. Then again, maybe you saw yourself announce it and have to because of that?
>>13994769
That's kind of what happened over the last couple of episodes. Biscuit died, Mika got pissed, and now he manipulated Orga into whipping the kids into a revenge frenzy.
>>13994778
They were always a violent bunch of retards.
>>13994712
>He has a tendency to pick the most violent option available and is willing to manipulate the person he considers to be an older brother in order to get what he wants; revenge.
Actually, I think it's something a little different. Mika keeps going on about how Orga promised him a place where they can be happy. "Who should I kill to get there Orga?" It's a goal Mika has long set and he's dragging the entire team through hell to get there.
>>13994772
Oh well I'm ignorant
There have been a few threads speaking as if it's a done deal, I just assumed
I just feel like he's so 2 dimentional that he's due for a dramatic shift in character.
>>13994783
They were originally more concerned about keeping their company afloat since they left Mars. They didn't actually pick fights until the Dort incident, and even then half of it was because they were backed into a corner by the backstabbing of politicians. The only fight that portrayed them as having true bloodlust was the one this episode.
>>13994786
That was before Biscuit died. He was content with letting Orga decide exactly where to go. In episode 21 he manipulated Orga into starting them on a quest for revenge. Part of it was because Merribit was dithering about and they needed Orga's leadership to make sure their group didn't fall apart, but considering what happened with Cookie and Cracker in episode 3 I find it hard to believe that goading Orga onto the warpath was without any emotional investment.
>>13994796
>They were originally more concerned about keeping their company afloat since they left Mars. They didn't actually pick fights until the Dort incident, and even then half of it was because they were backed into a corner by the backstabbing of politicians. The only fight that portrayed them as having true bloodlust was the one this episode.
If they wanted to keep their company afloat they probably should have ransomed kudelia instead of making an enemy in the solar system's military superpower and going on a sketchy mission for a girl to make negotiations who doesn't even have her own government's backing.
>>13994805
The idea was if they could pull off a mission of that scope and importance, they would be able to pick and choose job offers afterwards.
But yeah, the whole situation is fishy. Why would a major world leader want to meet with this teenage activist to negotiate a colonies independence? Why wouldn't he provide her with a life rather than her having to hire mercenaries to do so? What Makanai really wanted was Tekkadan so they could escort him. Kudelia was just a tool to do so he could get the guys who fought their way from Mars to Earth.
>>13994816
* Wouldn't he provider her with a ride, not life.
Best pilot since Amuro?
>>13994338
Where are his nipples?
>>13994835
replaced by aila's vagina
>>13994816
Their whole view that they could get away with killing a bunch of Gjallarhorn officers, piss in their coffee and go on with their lives without losing a ton of members or all ending up dead was what I was getting at.
The fact that they are helping Kudelia with her poorly thought out plan to save mars which now entails starting world war 3 and they were just as involved in the Dort incident as Gjallarhorn just makes them dicks.
>>13994835
Is it possible AT ALL to draw nipples on men that don't look absurd once isolated into screen stills or manga panels?
I'm legitimately curious.
>>13994816
1. get elected
2. ignore Kudelia/turn them all over to Gjallerhorn
3. ?????
4. profit
>>13994857
This.
Even though they didn't know about the weapons they will be blamed for them.
Kudelia will be blamed for using spacenoids as a proxy for her ideals
>>13994857
Given that they would have just ended up going out of business in three months with no connections to get them jobs or make sure they won't get backstabbed or jewed, after which they would starve to death on the streets, it's quite a hard decision to make. What they did was arguably their best option at the time given that even if they failed they would either be dead or sold off into slavery, which was their predicament before they took control. Ransoming her off would only delay the inevitable.
This shitty bait that's just copypasted from a thread that's still up actually got replies.
Why are you guys so god damn autistic?
>>13994816
> What Makanai really wanted was Tekkadan so they could escort him. Kudelia was just a tool to do so he could get the guys who fought their way from Mars to Earth.
No, the show already explained this. Makanai really did want Kudelia, but only because he was a former Prime Minister in exile with no power and if he supported her (and caused her to win) she'd be his way back in to power. He didn't give her a lift or protection because he couldn't - he didn't have the means. Kudelia only exists because a bunch of people want to use her to gain power. Even Orga. Tekkadan are, by Makanai's own words, kids, but with more spirit than he'd have thought despite it.
Orga chose to keep Kudelia and not ransom her as some wanted (even within Tekkadan - like Biscuit and Eugene), because by protecting her and not handing her over they'd gain much more reputation. High risk, high reward. Basically his exact words, and the main reason Biscuit had beef with him. Is it silly? Sure. It works in a fiction though.
>>13994786
This. Mikazuki's main goal is for him and Orga to have a better life. He sees Kudelia's fight for better living conditions on Mars as a way for him to attain that goal.
As far as he's aware, pretty much every single person who has tried to kill/detain Kudelia knows very well that she's a peaceful Martian delegate who simply desires better living conditions for the people of Mars. Even Carta knows this, and yet she's still willingly trying to detain Kudelia. If you can somehow get around the mental gymnastics involved in killing a Martian delegate so that they'll continue to remain poor as fuck, then you sure as hell deserve to die. Or at least, that's what I'm guessing is the rationale Mikazuki has for killing all of the people who have stood in their way. Even Carta's pride/honor/love issues doesn't excuse the fact that she's actively trying to keep an entire planet poor as fuck.
>>13994872
Dort activist also shot first.
>>13994880
>Given that they would have just ended up going out of business in three months with no connections to get them jobs or make sure they won't get backstabbed or jewed,
This is what happened anyway.
>after which they would starve to death on the streets, it's quite a hard decision to make.
Selling Kudelia to Gjallarhorn and selling their equipment would have been enough to pay for a non violent enterprise.
They could have been iron blooded pimps.
>What they did was arguably their best option at the time given that even if they failed they would either be dead or sold off into slavery
By who? They got rid of their leadership.
>>13994894
>As far as he's aware, pretty much every single person who has tried to kill/detain Kudelia knows very well that she's a peaceful Martian delegate who simply desires better living conditions for the people of Mars.
Thats not true he was there when the Teiwaz leader told her she could be starting world war 3.
>Even Carta's pride/honor/love issues doesn't excuse the fact that she's actively trying to keep an entire planet poor as fuck.
Independence doesn't mean they would have a large increase in standard of living anytime soon.
I would actually say that the way they introduced mars it would be shit either way.
>>13994913
>dort activist shot first
It was a false flag operation by Gjallarhorn. They blew up their own building. Did you watch the show?
Selling her off is only a temporary solution. They still wouldn't have any connections and any affiliated merchants wouldn't do business with them because they usurped the company. These are kids raised in the middle of bumfuck nowhere with no education and only trained to operate war machinery. They're also illiterate, so what makes you think they can run a business? Even Biscuit's grandmother's farm is stated to be barely making it out of the red because all the corn is being used to make cheap biofuel instead of being sold to the markets as food.
They got rid of their leadership which was shown as being violent, abusive and didn't give a flying fuck if they lived or died. Basically, what would happen if they sold Kudelia off. No one would care if they lived or died, and if what Maruba did with the Turbines is any indication, selling off their war machines would be even more stupid than taking Kudelia to earth as they wouldn't even have guns to defend themselves with from assassins. Their leadership at the time was Orga anyway so your point is moot.
Independence may not mean a large increase in standard of living soon, but it would mean that their economies wouldn't be taking it so far up the ass by exploitative companies on earth.
>>13994927
> They still wouldn't have any connections and any affiliated merchants wouldn't do business with them because they usurped the company.
Besides Teiwaz and all their affiliates you mean? Which they only got because they were escorting Kudelia and needed them for passage.
> Even Biscuit's grandmother's farm is stated to be barely making it out of the red because all the corn is being used to make cheap biofuel instead of being sold to the markets as food.
She's in the red because corn is regulated for biofuel and she has no choice who to sell it to or at what price. She'd charge more or sell to someone else if she could, but she can't.
I love that little psyco
You guys do remember that she's going SPECIFICALLY to negotiate terms for the deregulation of half-metal, right
not independence
>>13994937
Yes, that's my point. I'm telling the other anon that all of that is why fucking off to earth with Kudelia was the best option for them. Did you read the thread?
>>13994338
>someone saved my post
Choice
>>13994927
>It was a false flag operation by Gjallarhorn. They blew up their own building. Did you watch the show?
First firefight wasn't on camera it was by the shipping containers where Gjallarhorn soldiers tried to arrest the activists with weapons.
>Selling her off is only a temporary solution. They still wouldn't have any connections and any affiliated merchants wouldn't do business with them because they usurped the company. These are kids raised in the middle of bumfuck nowhere with no education and only trained to operate war machinery. They're also illiterate, so what makes you think they can run a business? Even Biscuit's grandmother's farm is stated to be barely making it out of the red because all the corn is being used to make cheap biofuel instead of being sold to the markets as food.
It would be harder to run a pmc than a normal business. Did it say that taking corn to the market would fetch a higher price?
>Independence may not mean a large increase in standard of living soon, but it would mean that their economies wouldn't be taking it so far up the ass by exploitative companies on earth.
Actually they would need capital from companies on earth either way. If they couldn't be exploited they could just be abandoned.
>>13994672
Nice counter pasta
>>13994951
They weren't aware that they had been used to transport weapons. The activists fired so that they could keep the weapons for their demonstration, after which shit went down.
Running a PMC may be harder than an actual business, but again, in case you didn't read, is all they fucking know. It was stated by Kudelia when she visited their farm that she thought Biscuit's family was making megabux from selling their corn for food, after which they told her that it was used for cheap biofuel and that they can't sell it as food.
They wouldn't be abandoned because the half-metal resources are required by Earth's industries. If they would just be abandoned Kudelia wouldn't use it as a negotiating tool.
>>13994951
Gjallarhorn literally planned that firefight though. They gave them the weapons, rolled up in too few numbers, hung around until shit cooked off, traded shots and left.
And left kilotons of literally useless weapons for them to loot afterwards in both Dort 3 and the others.
>>13994971
>They weren't aware that they had been used to transport weapons.
They never mentioned their backers were involved in the event.
>The activists fired so that they could keep the weapons for their demonstration, after which shit went down.
The activist were criminals by the point of the demonstration anyways. Also armed demonstrations aren't peaceful.
>They wouldn't be abandoned because the half-metal resources are required by Earth's industries. If they would just be abandoned Kudelia wouldn't use it as a negotiating tool.
If they tried to make it overly expensive in order to fix their shit economy alternatives would start being developed.
>>13994994
That doesn't make the workers innocent.
It just makes Gjallarhorn guilty.
>>13994971
>The activists fired so that they could keep the weapons for their demonstration, after which shit went down.
So, the fact is they fired upon soldiers trying to arrest them for possession of smuggled weapons. They then went and threatened to use those weapons to get their employers to meet their demands. Real life, they would be called terrorists and would easily be used to discredit Kudelia.
> Oh yeah, this lady saying that the protesters were peaceful? Yeah, we have evidence that she came to Dort on a ship that smuggled assault rifles and mobile workers into the colony to the workers. When port authorities discovered the smuggled weapons, they were met with violence by these terrorists. Members of her ship attacked and killed many Gjallarhorn soldiers during their escape.
> So, are we really going to take her at her word that things were non-violent? Really?
And if it gets out that she used child soldiers with cybernetic implants to get her shit done, you think the people of Earth will just allow her to go? I swear, this is some SEED-level bullshit politics.
>>13995011
>makes gjallahorn guilty
Glad we're in agreement.
Seriously, you sound like you'd chastise US soldiers for killing the camp guards when they overran Germany and say the nuke was wrong while knowing full well the projected civilian and military casualties of operation downfall.
>>13995011
None of which proves how their choice was wrong. The backers were acting behind the scenes. If anyone other than they knew who the backers were the plan would have failed. I also never claimed that the demonstration was peaceful, only that Gjallarhorn are hypocritical pricks for planning a false flag operation and still preaching about honor and keeping the peace.
>>13995025
That's exactly what they were trying to do anyway. Gjallarhorn smuggled those weapons in in order to give the workers the motivation to make a protest, then stage a false flag operation to legitimize their quelling. Kudelia wasn't the face of the Dort revolution anyway, she was originally only in it for Mars. That she happened to be there is just coincidence as far as Gjallarhorn is concerned. She only fell into the role of the maiden of revolution after she witnessed the injustice of the Dort quelling, before that she was only going to negotiate the deregulation of Martian exports.
>>13995025
This, been wondering why Gjallerhorn didn't just say "This terrorist affiliate smuggled weapons in to violent people, is lying about us starting the massacre, and is being helped by evil asshole child soldiers."
>>13995047
Because that sounds retarded even in-show.
>>13995052
Not as retarded as "we're going to take this woman at her word these protesters were peaceful, so we'll give them what they wanted."
>>13995052
>girl comes on TV and says some shit about them bring not guilty
>publish the records of them transporting weapons in and show that they already shot police at the warehouse before assaulting the building under the guise of a "peaceful" protest
Dunno, sounds pretty plausible
>>13995064
IIRC they didn't get the news people in on the weapons trafficking. Also, fat politician man hijacked the airwaves, Gjallarhorn couldn't shut it down. They tried.
>>13995047
>>13995052
That's some Code Geass toer shit going on here.
>>13995061
They didn't do that. They just let her past instead of rekting the ship. We have yet to see if literally anything she wants will come to pass and it practically all hinges on Makanai not fucking them and the Dort thing being true (it was). The fact of the matter is that regardless of the protesters actions it was all calculated by Gjallarhorn. If such a thing came to light and Russia was behind it, nobody would forgive them for it. It's quite literally the FBI calling up angry young men and talking them into blowing stuff up, handing them a dud bomb, and shooting them on the spot. You think anyone's happy about that? The only reason we get away with it is the same reason Trump has any votes.
Entrapment is still entrapment.
>>13995047
Because Kudelia got her spin on the story out first. And because the workers union and economic blocs are all buddy buddy now and they don't want to draw attention to the incident anymore.
>>13994913
What Kudelia wants is for the end of price regulation on Mars' exports, namely half-metal, which is used in the production of a variety of electronic/industrial goods, such as the nano-laminate armor of mobile suits. Deregulating the price of Mars' exports will put then at an economic advantage, which will allow Mars to prosper. It seems that Gjallarhorn is intent on keeping Mars, the loser of the Calamity War, poor in order to prevent another Calamity War from taking place. Obviously, this doesn't really sit well with Mars.
>>13995073
He can't own all the stations. Just shoot first and publish proof later, or put them in custody instead of blowing them up. But they went as far as to increase worker rights a shit ton instead of just giving regular citizens the proof. It just seems ridiculous that their entire plan was foiled by a girl coming on TV and saying "lol no"
>>13995093
They were about to do just that actually but the African union told them to stand down and not blow them up while it was being broadcast because they didn't want their reputation damaged even further.
>>13995095
Again, that's stupid because they have all the evidence they need to discredit Kudelia and preserve their reputation. Gjallerhorn or the African Union could have easily gotten out of that situation with little trouble but because Kudelio is so sugoi it shut down all logical brains in the area.
>if I put a box of loaded pistols behind a middle school and 23 kids wind up dead it's the kids fault for using them
wew lad
>>13995030
>Seriously, you sound like you'd chastise US soldiers for killing the camp guards when they overran Germany and say the nuke was wrong while knowing full well the projected civilian and military casualties of operation downfall.
If you think about it Gjallarhorn was taking actions to prevent the worst case scenario.
>>13995044
>None of which proves how their choice was wrong.
Whose choice the workers, false flag operation or not they were looking for weapons in order to threaten the owners of the company for change. That is wrong.
They also shot law enforcement while conducting illegal activities without knowing it was a trap.That is wrong.
Tekkedan was involved in transporting illegal materials which were provided by Teiwaz who had to be in on the event at some level yet only blamed Gjallarhorn. That is wrong.
>I also never claimed that the demonstration was peaceful, only that Gjallarhorn are hypocritical pricks for planning a false flag operation and still preaching about honor and keeping the peace.
Waiting for an armed demonstration that could easily erupt into a well armed isn't much better.
>>13995111
Wouldn't it be both your fault and the kids? The kids might get government protection and juvie so as to protect them from the dead kids families and media, but they'd still face some recrimination.
>>13995109
Except within the show Gjallarhorn is being portrayed as distrusted by the common people and oppressors. People have also fallen in love w
>>13995116
You're arguing the wrong point, jackass. The point me and the original anon, assuming you two are different, was that Orga made the wrong choice in choosing to escort Kudelia to earth and not sell her off to Gjallarhorn. And now you're trying to justify Gjallarhorn staging a false flag operation to quell dissent amongst exploited workers with next to no rights living well below the poverty line in order to keep themselves in power. The people were already unhappy, they just didn't have the ability to do anything about it until Gjallarhorn played Secret Santa.
>>13995109
Are you implying that the general public will believe anything the government puts out? Especially when corruption and deception is being called into question? Especially after watching them blow up a ship on live feed that was the one accusing them?
>>13995116
Your only argument that it is wrong is that it is illegal.
you're fucked in the head and I pray you're not an American. You sound like a statist and a loyalist.
>>13995128
>>13995109
Meant to say that people have fallen in love with Kudelia's romantic ideals and Gjallarhorn is already seen as distrusted by the common people who see them as oppressors. No one's going to believe them.
>>13995111
>teacher gives one of the kids the box to bring to school
>after the shootout this kid (one of the shooters) tries to tell everyone that the teacher gave them the guns
>get him dismissed as a psycho who probably got them from School Shooter Steve from the bad part of town
>>13995122
And I repeat
wew lad
You place the guns
you cause the incident
if you hadn't done that nobody would have died
ergo 100% your fault
>>13995138
Not my fault, it's the gun manufacturer's fault. If they didn't make the guns how would I place them there, huh????
Retard
>>13995142
You're also automatically assuming the kids used them with the intent to kill each other and not thinking they were toys
>inb4 but then they would have stopped after one kid died
yeah and you'd still be at 100% fault for it
>>13995148
Not to mention, the workers weren't kids. They were grown adults, and they decided to threaten people with violence to get what they want. Just try doing that to your boss in real life and see what happens.
>>13995136
>Teacher in question is seen by general student populace as a psychopathic power hungry oppressor with a beef against the kid
>There were a bunch of other kids that saw said teacher give the kid the box and proceed to tattle to everyone
>Principal and board of directors don't want shit to do with said teacher
>>13995131
I'll simplify it for you its wrong to threaten people for money.
Its wrong to selectively blame those that you know are guilty.
Those actually have a much simpler morality than entrapment.
I brought up the legality because in this case there is some moral base for it.
>you're fucked in the head and I pray you're not an American. You sound like a statist and a loyalist.
You're just retarded.
>>13995130
Then resolve it a little slowly but the demonstrators have no legal leg to stand on. Just claiming that Gjallerhorn started it doesn't mean shit. Have a trial then. It's impossible to prove that they didn't start the attack while all evidence points towards a disgruntled faggot getting out of hand. It was hard enough to keep them in line already. Otherwise evidence shows that they imported weapons from a mysterious supplier under Kudelia's name and shot up a bunch of cops.
>>13995152
I think we're done here, statist pig. Go ahead and keep linking that boot hoping the benevolence of the free market will someday grant you a better standard of living.
>implying the free market exists once corporations are developed
>>13995156
They weren't threatening for money, numbnuts, they were demonstrating for fair treatment and rights because their bosses are keeping them below the poverty line for their own profits.
>>13995158
What the government was concerned about was their reputation. Yes, they would have won the lawsuits. But the people already see Gjallarhorn as pricks because of how they keep them under the poverty line and any verdict would be written off as a kangaroo court in their minds.
Doesn't the mere existence of a plan to incite a riot and then violently kill people to put it down justify said riot
or are you saying Jamitov was right
>>13994338
>Thread starts to talk about main's in the series
>Suddenly is all about political correctness
this is why I love /m/
>>13994338
>Gives 0 shits about killing someone
Only sociopaths think that this is a good thing.
>>13995198
People who don't have the willpower to kill don't have the willpower to live. You've grown too accustom to your cozy lifestyle.
>>13995163
>They weren't threatening for money, numbnuts, they were demonstrating for fair treatment and rights because their bosses are keeping them below the poverty line for their own profits.
So you are saying they didn't want money they just wanted to get paid more.
Then they opted to protest with firearms. Then complain when they get shot.
Then bringing up a country that has been decreasing the number of union members over the years.
The U.S. bill of rights gives "the right of the people PEACEABLY to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances"
Having an armed protest with the intent of coercing a group is fundamentally wrong and allowing that is stupid. I'm sorry for believing in the bill of rights.
Every group involved in the incident was doing something wrong. It doesn't mean any of them were right.
>>13995208
>Muh dichotomy
there's a wide, wide fucking expanse between abject pacifism and having literally no regard for human life.
>>13995214
You should remember what it took to secure the bill of rights in the first place and how many times that bill was flaunted and ignored at the start of the 20th century.
>>13994338
>Almost never thinks anything but "What should I do now Orga?"
Why do people like him again?
>>13995232
>You should remember what it took to secure the bill of rights in the first place and how many times that bill was flaunted and ignored at the start of the 20th century.
I'm remembering that most violent uprisings in US history ended poorly and got very little done.
>>13995163
But she's still a terrorist affiliate. That's like the US government giving in to the guys who led an armed protest at the gov't building over farmland. Because after the shootout that happened, someone who is known for supporting the rights of those groups comes out and says that they didn't shoot first.
>>13995077
Gundam tier, actually, since Tomino pioneered this sort of thing.
>>13995257
Like our fucking independence? If you think Britain was right you can fuck off there.
>>13995355
Bill of Rights =/= Declaration of Independence
>>13995361
>no independence
>no bill of rights
and you're assuming that the Dort colonists even have that right in the first place. Protip; nothing ever showed they did.
I still don't see how NVKD-tier tactics in a corporate fascist state are acceptable to you. Gjallarhorn is objectively an oppressive regime in this scenario and regardless of the method a violent rebellion is justified.
>>13995365
>NKVD
Fixed
>>13995365
I'm not that anon, thought you meant post-independence uprisings (starting with Whiskey Reb., yeah they ended poorly).
>>13995355
You should read up on the American Revolution if you think it was completely black and white and that it really was the best course of action.
In fact that same group of people later put down the whiskey rebellion.
Believing in peaceful protest over violent revolution and that any group with a cause that they think have a right to run around armed with demands is ok is moronic.
There are a long list of failed list of failed violent uprisings in American history many more similar to the stupid shit in the show, including Dorr rebellion, the Shay rebellion the various slave rebellions, the civil to name a few.
>>13995376
That anon was saying that citing one rebellion but ignoring most of them was asinine.
Meanwhile, Ali Al-Saachez looks on with an expression of respect, anger, and constipation.
>>13995091
I don't know why, but ending price regulation on Mars imports sounds like a short term solution. Even if Mars prospers, the poor are less likely to see those benefits.
>>13995420
Trickle down economics.
>>13995420
It allows them to compete and sell their products at better prices, which means they can afford to pay their workers more, who can then buy products at said good prices, which funds the companies.
>>13995420
A short term solution is better than no solution. At the moment they really need at least some sort of economic and job boost even if it is small or temporary.
>>13995365
> I still don't see how NVKD-tier tactics in a corporate fascist state are acceptable to you. Gjallarhorn is objectively an oppressive regime in this scenario and regardless of the method a violent rebellion is justified.
Keep in mind the Dort guys tried negotiations for months (maybe years) using Biscuit's brother as a means, but they always ignored him and wouldn't even give him a meeting. The Dort people felt an uprising was the only means to get a meeting and their bosses were counting on it and had been ignoring their pleas for just that reason.
>>13995420
Ending foreign regulation is absolutely not a short term solution. It's outright shown to be the exact thing holding Mars down.
>>13995431
>>13995425
I'm starting to wonder if Kudelia would be a better character if she was written as a lady of capitalism instead of a peace princess.
>>13995436
I expect it to be very short term if a journalist choose to reveal that Kudelia used mob connections and child soldiers to get what she wants.
>>13995440
Maybe they should have looked up Henry David Thoreau.
>>13995441
You should visit Africa.
>>13995464
They couldn't even read until part way through their space journey. Civil Disobedience is probably a bit heavy for them by Dort. Nor would his teachings be the first thing they'd look for once they could read. If it's even available to them.
>>13995501
The dock workers not the mercenaries.
Hopefully the dock workers can read or there is a good reason they have a shit job.
>>13995464
I don't see any backwards tribals on mars. The civilized parts are doing quite well when they're not being shot up by dindoos.
>>13995507
This. People seem to have forgotten what it was like before the labor reforms. Does the phrase "and I owe my soul to the company store" ring any bells? Dort is 1890-1939 US.
>>13995459
She'd be a lot less obnoxious if she were the Maiden of Economic Balance rather than the Maiden of Revolution.
>>13995523
Civilized parts of Ghana makes Gjallarhorn look honest.
Most people in Accra are still poor as fuck. Which might be a good thing because nobody can drive.
>>13994338
He has no emotion, fucking midget. I want one that does shit and has some traits like the Thunderbolt guy who listen to jazz.
>>13995546
Dude it's still africa. The farmers, at least, would be immediately better off. Half-metal producers too, but would have less of a local impact on economy due to still being based offworld. Arguably farming deregulation could be more important for the Martian economy. The bottom line is that it'll take both deregulation and heavy investment in the local economy by the Martians to drag it up out of poverty, but deregulation is by far the most important first step. Colonial economies are almost never good for the colony.
>>13995558
>Arguably farming deregulation could be more important for the Martian economy.
Probably.
>The bottom line is that it'll take both deregulation and heavy investment in the local economy by the Martians to drag it up out of poverty, but deregulation is by far the most important first step.
They would need some foreign investment to see noticeable growth in their lifetime.
I just think its naive to think that its a sure thing that everything would improve. It could just turn into a series of civil wars.
>>13995569
>It could just turn into a series of civil wars.
That's essentially what McMurdo was signed on for isn't it? Insurance and muscle in case some fighting breaks out over this, and Teiwaz is a major force as having the only new MS frames to be produced outside of Gjallarhorn and having one of the largest private MS force too.
>>13994492
>you know that amuro was also a pussy
But Amuro was a killer, Anon. He only went off the rails when Bright told him to slow down with the murder.
>>13995590
That or just seize all the rare earth mines.
I thought Gjallarhorn were the only ones to make the reactors.
>>13995270
But there's a huge difference in the way things are viewed by the people who the government wants to keep under heel and people in today's America. They already see the government as lying sacks of shit and idolize this terrorist affiliate. Whatever the government tells them will just be automatically dismissed as propaganda and they'll start another revolution and another and another until either all of them are dead or the government is overthrown.
Compare to current America where the majority of people don't believe the government is oppressing them in any way and aren't purposely kept in abject poverty. Comparing the two doesn't work because their situation isn't the same as current America.
>>13995214
What do you think was their first idea, jackass? Biscuit's older brother was shown trying to broker peaceful negotiations with their bosses but was repeatedly shot down over several years. It's only when Gjallarhorn gave them guns that they decided enough was enough and that a show of force was the only way they could give themselves rights.
>>13997273
>What do you think was their first idea, jackass? Biscuit's older brother was shown trying to broker peaceful negotiations with their bosses but was repeatedly shot down over several years.
You know there are several types of peaceful negotiation and this shit can take a long time.
Allowing armed protests is asking for riots for all things that a group of people could feel they are wronged.
Having armed groups running around while allowing and waiting for them to shoot first sounds like the first step towards anarchy.
>Compare to current America where the majority of people don't believe the government is oppressing them in any way and aren't purposely kept in abject poverty. Comparing the two doesn't work because their situation isn't the same as current America.
Look at early America there were a bunch of revolts. Some of them weren't justified and I can't think of one of them that didn't end poorly.
Also there are modern examples like what happened in Ferguson.
There has also been an armed protest in Oregon. Having guns is not good publicity.
>It's only when Gjallarhorn gave them guns that they decided enough was enough and that a show of force was the only way they could give themselves rights.
They would probably were looking for weapons and Gjallarhorn just supplied them. Its still entrapment, but its not like they never had violent intentions beforehand.
>>13994338
I think it's the first time since Kamille where we had a protagonist who really had no qualms about murdering people.
>>13998432
At least Mika doesn't laugh while doing it.
>>13995208
Your inability to distinguish between self-preservation and disregard for human life is why you don't have friends and can't connect with people emotionally, anon.
>>13995395
He can beat Mika's ass with an Enact.
>>13995208
Oh, look, the Legendary Super Edgemeister
>>13995208
Tell me more about how you would kill people in order to procure your wild Hot Pockets.
>all this space rat loving
