Why are westerners better at live action mecha films than the Japs?
>>13982993
Using PacRim to shitpost? That's pretty low anon. You disgust me.
>>13983014
What do you mean?
PR is one of the best live-action mecha ever made and Japanese film industry is no where near the same level as movies like PR, Iron Man, Transformers, etc...Even the last Robocop was better.
>>13983027
RoboCop is just 8man meets Metal Heroes. The Jiban movie is way better.
>>13982993
Autism
>>13983027
>Even the last Robocop was better
You're either shitposting or you have never seen the originals.
>>13983038
Metal heroes ripped off robocop, m8
The last mech godzilla movie is cool, also budget.
>>13982993
This is actually something I want to know, why is japanese live action acting so fucking wooden or incredibly overdramatic??
>>13983042
Not him but Rubbercop was a quite good movie.
>muh originals
fuck off
>>13983054
You were born in the 90s, right?
>>13983027
>Transformers
>The Transformers franchise came up as a result of Hasbro importing designs from TakaraTomy's 80s mech line
>>13983051
Have you seen the live action Casshern?
>>13983054
You're right, it was a good movie, but it wasn't a good remake
>>13983061
Uh...Transformers is an American movie.
Literally the most expensive movie ever made in Japan cost $49,300,000. Pacific Rim cost $190,000,000.
Even in 1990 Robot Jox was an ultra-cheap movie at $10,000,000. (For comparison, Die Hard 2, in the same year, cost $70 million.) Godzilla vs. Biollante was a year earlier and that cost $5,000,000, and 1991's Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah cost $12,000,000.
Hollywood's gigantic compared to the Japanese film industry, and it can make a ton more money off of international distribution than Japanese movies can. Nobody in Japan is doing a $200,000,000 robot movie. Hell, they're not even making a $10,000,000 one unless it has "Godzilla" in the title.
>>13983075
Based on a franchise that was basically imported from the East. If Hasbro wasn't able to strike a deal with TakaraTomy there wouldn't be any Bayformers in the first place.
>>13983098
Nobody cares and ultimately doesn't matter because Transformers is NOT a Japanese production.
>>13983075
>>13983108
Transformers 4 is actually a Chinese co-production.
And stop responding to that guy. He knows and he's not really this stupid, he's just baiting.
>>13983125
>tfw the future of Hollywood is in the hands of Chinese and Qatari corporations
>>13983108
Actually....time to put nerd glasses on.
Transformers originated as TakaraTomy's Diaclone line, where the giant robots weren't sentient aliens, but human-made, piloted mechas. When Hasbro struck a deal with TakaraTomy, they rewrote the story and made them into what we know as G1 Transformers today.
>>13983125
I said Transformers, not Transformers 4, dummy.
>>13983125
>yfw the CHINESE make better live-action mecha than Japan
Because live action /m/ requires different thought than animated /m/? Or maybe because you just haven't seen a lot of Japanese live action /m/. I know I haven't.Japanese kaiju>American kaiju evrtimei do agree with you but I also don't watch alot of Japanese movies outside gamera and godzilla films.
>>13983054
You have to be at least 18 to post here.
>>13983152
They should, they've got the cash to spare. Compared to any Japanese studio, the Chinese co-producers for AoE can probably top Space Battleship Yamato's CGI budget, five times over.
>>13983054
Muh humanity can't overwrite electronic programmings, like how I can't turn off my smartphone through sheer will, it's ridiculous.
>>13983146
They also took from another different toyline, that's where you get gadget Transformers, like gun Megatron, casette recorder Soundwave and microscope Perceptor. I rather prefer those than vehicles. Also there's Jetfire toy being Valkyries from Macross.
>>13983152
Only with foreign movie productions, don't get your hopes up with their locals, especially anything scifi.
>>13983240
Especially with current media censorship bullshit going on in China, like where they forbid showing any sci-fi stuff like time travel.
>>13982993
Western budgets are more inflated than a DeviantArtist's fetishes.
>>13983027
That's because nobody cares about the film industry in Japan. All the men are too busy working themselves to death or being shut in Otaku's hugging their body pillows and watching anime so Japan's live action entertainment industry is based around tv "variety" shows to entertain housewives.
Because western production companies actually give a damn and poor money into quality CGI instead of just putting a man in a monster suit. It's only natural that western mecha would look noticeably better than some tokusatsu shit the Japanese industry has been doing since the '50s.
>>13983062
>that's the overdramatic side of things.
>>13982993
It's to compensate for the fact that the west can't make good action cartoons or games anymore
>>13982993
the west actually has a budget
More dosh to throw around for big sets and effects.
Larger pool of writers, directors, and actors to choose from.
>>13983054
>the opening to the new Robocop
>followed by the "lel aren't we clever ;^)" news station segments
I fucking hated everything about that new movie. Got about a hour in before I stopped watching.
I didn't even base it off the original and just as it's own thing, and the issue was that it's political commentary and what it was trying to do was so on the nose that I felt like I was being talked to by a 4th Graders first Political Satire.
>>13983058
Fuck you I was born in 1990 and I hate the Robocop reboot with a passion.
>>13982993
There was that japanese giant robot movie that had a magic moon-themed main mech and a box-themed earth mech.
The mech's pilot was a young woman who was sweating profoundly in the cockpit and I was thinking: "I wanna lick that sweat off her inner tights" the whole time.
Pacrim didn't deliver on that.
>>13983108
>Daddy why is Jetfire a VF1 Valkyrie
>Son..I......
>>13983108
>Transformers not Japanese
>First movie has a quip about the Transformers definitely being a Japanese thing.
Wew lad, even the producers knew.
>>13983240
The Indians delivered a great movie with Chitti.
Featured a giant robot made of robots and a giant robot snake made of robots.
>>13983211
That's because you're not hardwired to your brain, retard. Learn2analogy, shit for brains.
>>13986335
>Chitti
Chitti was too good for this corrupt world. Dammit I should rewatch that movie, and maybe not skip the musical segments this time.
>>13985357
Neither can Japan, so what's your point?
>>13986334
That doesn't make the movie Japanese, numbnuts.
>>13986323
>Jetfire a VF1 Valkyrie
wut
>>13986342
>and maybe not skip the musical segments this time.
You seriously skipped even the one featuring all the laser swords and the robotic lion?
>>13986366
The G1 Jetfire was a VF-1S in the early episodes before the later episodes turned him into a pseudo VF-1A instead.
>>13986371
Dude, after the song and dance in the scrap heap I decided to skip the other musical parts because things were looking serious.
>>13986378
>The G1 Jetfire was a VF-1S in the early episodes before the later episodes turned him into a pseudo VF-1A instead.
The JF toy was a repackaged VF-1, but I have never seen JF drawn exactly as a VF-1 during the G1 cartoon.
You are going to have to post a screencap to prove that info.
>>13983250
>Especially with current media censorship bullshit going on in China, like where they forbid showing any sci-fi stuff like time travel.
I thought going back in time to defeat the Japanese at Nanking, absorbing the Kuomintang, and ending the movie by uniting the world under a new enlightened era of Chinese rule would be right up their alley.
>>13986386
>It claims that the Autobots created Jetfire, the "ultimate robot jet", to counter the Decepticon planes. As Sunstreaker, Hound, and Prowl are under attack, the trio release Jetfire from within an opening cliffside, revealing their new creation.
>>13986388
They're still ruled by a communist orthodoxy which runs on a magical version of historical materialism, which is pretty much commie Manifest Destiny.
So suggesting that history could have taken any turn other than the one it did is heretic, unscientific and will net you ten years of re-education camp.
>>13986388
>>13986463
Doesn't the Macross ripoff count as Sci-Fi? Astro Plan, was it?
>>13986468
Wasn't that made BEFORE the recent conservative turn? Nezah Conquers the Dragon King was made during a liberal phase as well, and it's a story about a dude strangling everybody rich and powerful.
That's the fun thing about totalitarian nations - they can make 180s in no time.
>>13986481
Nah, Astro Plan came out in 2010. Its CGI is suspiciously similar to Frontier's.
The Jap movie industry is such a joke. I can't wait for the new MMPR movie to blow sentai away.
>>13983811
This is the correct answer
>>13986343
What's your point?
>>13982993
>Why are westerners better at live action
because yanks have money for movies, and nips don't.
it's that simple.
>>13982993
>make one mediocre movie
>suddenly the west is better at making live-action mecha
Yeaaaaaaaaaah, no
let's just ignore the transformers movies, chappie, that Hugh Jackoff boxing robot movie..... the west sure is better....
>>13986872
The West has a vast pool of acting talent and crews that they can afford to make mistakes and learn from them. Japs are only good at making jackoff toons. They come up with some interesting ideas, but they're better off in Western hands to flesh out.
>>13983077
>Literally the most expensive movie ever made in Japan cost $49,300,000
I'm not saying I don't believe you, because I do, but I have 2 questions
1. Is that adjusted for inflation?
2. Was it a Kurosawa movie? Because he was infamous for going over budget.
>>13986918
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_non-English-language_films
It was for 2011's Princess Kaguya. Jap productions are cheap as fuck, it's why Saban was able to turn PR into a success.
>>13986749
Shit, the PR movies that were released in the '90s are better than most of Japan's sentai productions.
>>13986872
The sad part is that Transformers, Chappie, and Real Steel are all better than any live-action mecha films that Japan has ever made.
>>13988411
The CGI effects in the first movie were ghastly, though.
>>13983051
The Japanese movie industry is super archaic and controlled by talent agencies so most mainstream pop culture movies just cast boy band members or gravure idols or whatever and then they bully the staff into not making them act because they'd rather project a brand.
>>13988411
I got so hyped for this movie as a kid, I never found my white falcon megazord after I brought it to school after seeing it in theatere
>>13986749
Can't wait for the new Godzilla to utterly fail and get shit reviews compared to the 2013 film
>>13986485
>Nah, Astro Plan came out in 2010.
...and the conservative turn got started three years after that, yeah.
>>13988411
Well no shit. Japan just relies on cheap effects to keep production costs down.
>>13989816
The 2013 film was glorious. Nothing will top it.
Well fuckloads more money is one major factor.
Del Toro just took, by his own admission (which is fine cause it was the point) a whole slew of inspirations from mecha anime and kaju films, and with his name being able to summon up Hollywood's big dollar muscle was able to make this.
>>13990898
I really hope the Robotech film delivers. I've been dying to see Veritechs on the big screen since I was 8.
>>13986341
I don't see how they'll let Murphy's brain has access to the program that keeps him in check.
>>13986485
They're still making Armoured Heroes though, current one seem to be about cyber ghost.
>>13988436
Is Gunhed bad?
I was considering making a Westaboo thread sometime soon, though it's nice to see someone beat me to the punch.
propaganda always gets more funding
>>13990901
This so much. I only saw SDF Macross (the original, not the Robotech adaptation), but I'm hyped as fuck for a Robotech movie. It has all the elements to be a good blockbuster: mechas, cool action sequences, a relatable love stpry and giant aliens. Seems hard to fuck up.
>>13991339
Does robotech have the right to animate Valkyries anymore? I'd think that they'd finally get fucked over by constant abuse of a loophole/grey area in an old contract. After that, say goodbye to your money. And if that formula pumped out blockbusters then we wouldn't be stuck with the lack of mecha titles in Hollywood as we do now
>>13982993
Japs can do good mecha, but the international community wants epic CGI and thinks practical effects are shit. Godzilla is like the old exception to the rule
>>13986302
New Robocop felt like it was an orginal story that got rewritten and mangled into a shitty reboot because they had no faith in it.
>>13988462
So even Japanese movies are just vehicles to sell merch of the actors in it?
Christ is Japan just a soulless machine at this point?
>>13992217
>at this point
It's been that way ever since the beginning, moron.
>>13991185
Propaganda for what? The world governments didn't want to build the Jaegers anymore because they kept losing, they wanted to invest in the wall.
>>13992447
>they wanted to invest in the wall.
>The wall that took years to build and got fucked within seconds
I still don't know why they thought it was a good idea.
>>13994056
I imagine there was a lot of rhetoric like "kaiju can't climb walls" repeated ad nauseam like "jet fuel can't melt steel beams"
>>13982993
Because westerners make a lot of action movies?
When you think western movies, you think action movies like the marvel movies. When you do a lot of something, you'll get somewhat familiar with it. They know what the people want to see and what sells. For some reason people like unfitting snarky jokes in their action movies, and we're getting the snarky jokes in almost every damn action movie.
Besides, they throw a lot more money into their movies. When you throw so much money into them, you tend to get something worth that money.
Because japanese actors are pretty crap
No matter how flashy your movie is, it's nothing without good actors
Anyone have that fanart where Gipsy Danger's visor cracks open to reveal a face?
>>13990863
2013 Goji is Heisei-tier great.
>>13995096
>>13995097
>>13983051
the same reason hollywood is, I reckon
>>13995107
>>13989816
>>13990863
>>13995096
Is there a joke that I'm missing, or can you guys really not remember that Godzilla 2014 came out in 2014. It wasn't that long ago, and it was a significant anniversary for the franchise.
>>13994102
The wall wasnt to keep the kaiju out, it was to keep the australians in
>>13982993
Because nips know how to make anime and the west knows how to make movies. Next
>>13982993
Because their budget can afford more than half a Starbucks coffee and a 3D Studio floppy disk.
next.
>>13982993
Budget.
Few Japanese movies have 150 million $ to waste.
>>13986918
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0089881/
I think Ran is the most expensive Japanese movie. It is from the 80s bubble economy times.
It is fucking great by the way but not mecha.
>>13986871
Also Hollywood has been making movies for more than a 100 years. Hollywood and Silicon Valley is what keeps the lights on in America.
>>13998756
Actually they keep the rest of the world from realizing that the American race is mostly a bunch of jingoistic drugged up brainwashed partially insane savages and slaves in every sense of the word.
>>13998811
Ha ha true. Trump took the world by surprise: the real face of middle America is revealed.
>>13994793
this
>>13998811
>American race
I don't think you know what you're talking about Anon...unless you mean to imply Native Americans?
>>13998811
Lel +1
>>13991395
No, they don'thave the right to animate anything Macross or Southern Cross anymore. On the other hand, they still have the rights of Genesis Climber MOSPEADA, which includes the Legioss fighter, and that's pretty much the same thing as a Valkyrie.
>if that formula pumped out blockbusters
then we wouldn't be stuck with the lack of mecha titles in Hollywood as we do now
I see your point, but this formula has already 3 elements commonly seen in blockbusters: love story, action sequences and aliens. Just adding giant robots wouldn't do any harm. You're right, there's a lack of mecha titles in Hollywood, but Pacific Rim and Transformers (even if it's shit) did pretty well at the box-office, so I don't see why a Robotech movie would bomb, if it was made by competent people, of course.
>>13994793
>implying I watch mecha, animated or live-action, for the acting.
>>13994793
Maybe, but Japanese people are so much better at yelling then Americans, it's not even funny.
>>14003038
Who the fuck even watches mecha stuff for the acting ?
>>13998730
>http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0089881/
Here's what I found: http://www.worldlistmania.com/top-10-most-expensive-japanese-films/
>>14003038
>mfw hollywood can't design a mecha that doesn't look like iron man
