What's your most hated /m/ cliche?
>>13920822
"War is hell" loses a lot of weight when coupled with awesome robot fights
>villain is an irredeemable monster who has to die for the good of all instead of being redeemed by the power of understanding and communication
I don't like that one
anything with big wings
Dead newtype love interest/girl.
>>13920835
I don't mind this trope on its own, but when it's handled really heavy handedly it's pretty cringey to watch.
Looking at you, Urine. MARIIIEEEE would go into this category too even though because even though she didn't die, her personality and presence in the show sure did.
Any kind of character where their success is clearly the result of authot fiat.
Characters who want [X] but always do either the exact opposite of [X] or could accomplish [X] if they just thought through their actions a little but don't.
Characters whose success requires literally supernatural abilities to predict the actions of others.
Yeah I've been reading a lot of SEED/Destiny threads on /m/ recently.
>>13920822
That one character that has to fight regardless of all logic, reason and most importantly, skill and has to be bailed out by the heroes.
"I can do it too!" or Atashi date! or whatever it goes. Once a character says that, I know they're a shit.
I watched Zeta Gundam (and enjoyed it), but good lord above. That motherfucker Katz is something else. I knew was going to get killed and it wasn't satisfying, because it wasn't a bloody enough death.
Mecha/pilots that are too overpowered (relative to their setting and story, mind you) via author fiat or just a notch on the story.
I still think Gundam 00 is overall pretty decent, but 00-Raiser really put a damper on the series for me. It became pretty clear that this thing was too much when they had to keep writing in scenes for why it wasn't showing up, like this was motherfucking DBZ or something.
How'd that battle with the Innovators go? Here's a flashback of the end result of that battle, 00-Raiser just blasts everyone in a few seconds.
By the end of it, I was rooting for Reborns Gundam to tear it to pieces.
>He's fast!
Yeah we can see that already
>>13920905
Agree. I want setsuna to struggle fighting using 00/7 swords rather than depending too much from trans-am hack
Dead cyber newtype love interest.
Squads of mooks that blow up when the hero looks in their direction.
>We can't do X there is no time
>There is very clearly enough time
extremely inept antagonists
No! I have to do this alone in order to satisfy my pride or emotional trauma!
Trained soldiers jobbing to kids except in certain cases.
Ah, just let him get away. We can face him another day despite our current overwhelming strength.
Full retard fashion. Not bad 80s fashion, but something like Muv Luv where you have pauldrons on the school uniforms, jet intakes for hair and pilot suits so skintight they accentuate your nipples.
>get in somewhat range
>better throw away my gun and pull out my sword SAMURAI DAMASHII
MotW episode that doesn't forward the plot of characters in any way.
>>13920822
MC/Pilot is a child soldier who show no remorse killing enemies basically Mika and Heero type character. That shit is a bad way to show your character a badass, I would rather have Kou as a MC than those 2
>>13920822
>laser spam hits everything around the mecha, but the mecha itself
>>13920822
>main characters are prohibited from piloting their mecha because MUH POLITICS
Overly humanoid (impractical) design, legs in space fights, robots that are too big, binocular vision, Gundam
I love practicality but I hate Gundam because they attempt to be practical but it's too conflicting with the way they are designed.
At least shows like gurren lagann knows it's impractical and embraces it. While Gundam keeps coming up with dumb excuses for their design
Grunt wank, or rather needlessly dragged out grunt wank.Looking at you UC Ep.4.
ITT: Gundam cliches
Here's a tip: Watch less Gundam.
>Too many characters
>Drama and seriousness amongst big breasted women and big eyed children
>The chosen one
All these tropes need to die
>>13920996
>The chosen one
Not if they're cute.
>>13920909
This but to add on
>he's in my blind spot
>where did he go?
>he's using x weapon when it's big mclargehuge and his mech is too small/weak
>mission coordinators in general stating the obvious like "watch out he's the enemy ace" yes I can see the red paint job
>hero against a squad of bad guys who attack him one by one.
>>13920996
I'M COMING
>>13920976
What in the blue fuck is wrong with binocular vision
I hate 2+ 'eyes' on the face but it still makes sense from a fire control perspective, there is literally nothing negative about better fucking depth perception
>>13920822
Talking heads when done wrong.
>>13920822
I like this cliche a lot.
Killing beautiful, jolly loli clones.
>Every robot but the main one is useless
I know that's part of the genre, but at least give them a spotlight episode.
>>13920825
Basically this. Kinda shoots it in the foot
>>13921091
There could be six eyes. Or four eyes. Or seven. Why always 2
>>13920905
Really? I love it when a character is blatantly overpowered in their setting. You can have a lot of fun with that if you know how to write it.
The easiest way is to make them a showoff.
Tomino's dialogue.
>>13921719
>Really? I love it when a character is blatantly overpowered in their setting.
May I inquire as to how you feel about things like Seed Destiny, Undefeated Bahamut and The Irregular in Magic High School?
>>13920822
The main character is s mentally underdeveloped teenager.
>>13921729
Don't like the first, never heard of the second, like the third. And I don't like the first because it doesn't do anything interesting with it.
I like Tom Bombadil levels of "this guy is retardedly overpowered but doesn't give a shit"
>>13921742
>like the third
>don't like the first
>when both of them involve author avatars completely devoid of any personality and graced with absurd powers that exist to make the setting their bitch because of laziness
What's the difference?
>>13921754
Tatsuya appeals to my inner chuuni
> Design consistency is killed just to produce/market 10 new gunpla
> Not a single shit is given to thruster placement and center of mass
> LAUNCH CATAPULT FOR THE LAUNCH CATAPULT GOD !!no seriously, at last switch to Helicopter-carrier tropes from time to time
> High-heels, for mecha
> Mecha = BRUTE powerlevel, no tactic needed, only hotblood & plot armor
> story entirely supported on a single mech/pilot
>>13921815
>story entirely supported on a single mech/pilot
What if the show only has a single mech?
When shows are too serious. I mean shit, Generation Kill is about actual marines in a real war, one of them even played by his real life self, and that show is still goofy and jokey half the time because that's how military people are.
Writers need to learn that when it comes to grunts, the only difference between soldiers and 8 year olds is that the soldiers have guns and actual responsibility.
i fucking hate the word 'trope'
take it back to the godawful site you found it on
>>13922057
The word trope was in use with its modern connotation since the year 1570.
>>13922057
The word trope existed well before TV Tropes.
>>13922057
The site tv tropes existed well before its modern connotation since the year 1570
>>13921822
I put exception to all cliché I hate if it's used in a non cliché way.
ex : one mech ? Better be an awesome story like, I don't know, the mech is gigantic spider-base and the hero is moving around in it while it is walking out of control through incredible relief, tilting, sliding, pushing through, defending against attack...etc
That or the gigantic mech is more like a multi-crew battleship than the hero scaled up.
>>13922149
Impressive word play.
>>13922141
>>13922142
And? When did I state TVTropes invented the word? You know full-well you aren't using it in anything but the tvtropes meaning of the word, which is most definitely not the same as the original.
>>13922164
You are incredibly stupid.
>>13922158
That's not word play at all
>>13922172
I didn't know what else to call it.
>>13922164
>You know full-well you aren't using it in anything but the tvtropes meaning of the word
>a significant or recurrent theme; a motif.
>coined during the Tridentine Mass of Pope Pius V
No, it is in fact being used correctly.
Opponents having a perfect conversation with each other even though their communications probably aren't linked.
>>13922184
Except it was coined in a philological and hermeneutical sense in reference to symbolic imagery. "Too many characters" isn't a fucking "trope".
>>13922190
Not my fault the site overapplies the word like how 4chan does the word literally.
Am I supposed to stop using a term because of association?
>>13922196
Yes, just like you're supposed to stop watching shows with bad fanbases
Wait
No
Unrealistic diction. You know what you don't see in anime? People talking at the same time in a conversation, talking over each other trying to get a word in edgewise. Everyone waits their turn.
In fairness, you don't see that almost anywhere in fiction because of how scripts work. Archer is one of the few shows I can think of in the last 5 years where 4+ people are all talking at the same time.
>>13920924
Gundam should have moved away from this a long time ago.
They need to rely on something other than increasing the number of mook deaths per fight scene to try and make the fight scenes work.
>>13922204
>Unrealistic diction. You know what you don't see in anime? People talking at the same time in a conversation, talking over each other trying to get a word in edgewise. Everyone waits their turn.
In some Tomino shows you get stuff where people don't directly respond to each other despite ostensibly talking to each other, but that's about it for /m/
>>13922204
>Unrealistic diction
So you want everyone to talk like Jeff Goldblum? Because while a little Shatnerian, he does things actual people do like stutter and stop to think before he speaks.
>>13920827
>villain is an irredeemable monster who has to die for the good of all instead of being redeemed by the power of understanding and communication
Please, for the love of god, tell me where I can find this.
>>13922236
Dude lots of /m/ shows play it that way
The finales ofSEEDandZetaare full DIE MONSTER, YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS WORLD tier
>>13920822
Newtypes and the asspulls they make.
Char clone. Especially when they can't execute it for shit and force it anyway because MUH CHAR.
>>13922236
>My first mecha series were AU Gundam shit
>>13922365
But that was the ending of SEED
>>13921719
Personally, I think there's a fine line between making a decent overpowered character and making a boring dreck of a character/machine or self-indulgent masturbatory writing
I can accept the idea of Zeorymer being overpowered because of the setting and the premise. I can take the idea of Kenshiro being overpowered because he routinely meets his equals, or is overcome from time to time, and still, people can do skills that he can't do. It also helps that he's introduced as a master.
When 00-Raiser shows up and trivializes a battle, I just feel bored. When I read dialogue and watch scenes in GSD that are skewed to make sure that everyone knows that Kira Is The Best ("If that had been a beam...!"), I groan inside.
When I read about Kirito and Oni-chan is the best wizard in the universe, but no really, he's bad at magic!, I think of someone who couldn't figure out how to make his characters interesting so they threw on as many special abilities as they could think of and try to make them interesting that way without bothering fleshing them out as characters first. This is how children and amateurs write characters.
I'm not saying that main characters should always be underdogs, but a character having a match every now and then doesn't have to be avoided
>>13923156
No, not the MC. The last character you want to be overpowered is the MC, unless it's pic related
The unbeatable guy is supposed to be the side character who is so strong he's above the conflict. There's only conflict because he's too lazy to get involved.
>>13923156
This is why I never put any value on my input. Because I love childish writing.
>>13923165
There are plenty of situations in which you can have a MC with all the power in the world, but make his powers irrelevant. It's how Superman has survived for 75 years.
>>13923195
Most writers don't know how to write Superman though.
>>13923195
>It's how Superman has survived for 75 years.
gimmicks, periodic reboots and power drop, and general bullshit?
>>13921740
Theres any /m/ shown with a adult as MC?
>>13923395
Stardust Memory has Kuk Uraki.
The main character of Godannar is also a full grown man.
>>13923322
lot of that too
>>13922204
That's not a mecha cliche or even an anime cliche. It's an all media cliche unless done on purpose to show a group of people who like talk without paying attention to each other - like when Purple Two mechanics were talking in one episode of Majestic Prince for example.
>>13923448
You can talk and listen at the same time
>>13923395
ZoE Dolores. It's pretty great.
How much everyone licks the balls of the protagonist,
>repeat their name over and over and take any opportunity to mention them. [SPoiler] Brighto lets Mr Mary Sue do whatever he wants but shits on everyone else for every little thing [/spoiler]
Ive also noticed how many times the bridge of a ship full of major antagonist is within reach of a beam sword.. just kill the bad guys already you brats
>>13920822
Non-lethal KOs.
Peace princesses.
Singular units that trump everything.
Holding back from killing the enemy.
>>13920827
I hate the power of understanding and communication in general. I don't mind cool people dying, or tragedy. In fact, shows are more interesting with "I love you...But you have to die."
>>13920822
Unkillable Gendums.Unkillable protags killing more than 1 MS after just getting in the robot.Plot armor in general.
>>13923395
Any show where it's their job to pilot a robot at least ostensibly has adult pilots. Patlabor, Dai-Guard, 08th MS Team, and Armored Trooper VOTOMS for example.
>>13920822
thanks for reminding me to look up peanuts porn anon
One mech or a set of mecha which will obviously never be destroyed because they are unique and the only things that move the plot forward.
with exception of course.
It's cliché when the invincible mech is the only weapon that work in a war and so everything requiring enemy defeat will go through it.
But if you had replaceable or switchable invincible mech in a setting where they are dangerous to use for both side and everybody went to great length just to keep it under control, you have something better to work with.
>>13920985
I don't think we can friends anon
I'm sorry
>giant mechanical godmachines die in one shot
>this means that everyone has to miss every shot to make fights have tension
>somehow every other military product is obsolete
Not quite a cliche, but I hate mechs with human-like mouths that move when the pilot speaks, as though the mech itself is speaking. I don't mind mouths themselves if they're just a decorative faceplate, however.
>>13920909
Oh god, MSG was so much raw concentrated FASTU GA even after Amuro gets god powers, it's kind of ridiculous
>cut to Char running in a serpentine motion in Jaburo
>>13920976
Hey you
Get back to work on the fucking Zeong
Finish the goddamn legs
>>13924847
Votoms barely counts, Chirico is less a plot and more a sentient McGuffin and all the supporting cast are children in adult bodies
>>13922204
>Unrealistic diction. You know what you don't see in anime? People talking at the same time in a conversation, talking over each other trying to get a word in edgewise. Everyone waits their turn.
Gee it's almost like they think viewers want to be able to hear shit.
>>13927046
Then why are we able to tell what people are saying when we're doing this irl?
>>13927058
Because we have a greater amount of info to pull from. Doing sound design and scripting that replicates real life noise and speech is hard, man.
>>13927067
Then try harder.
>teenage pilot
Enough said
>someone is about to get killed
>someone else comes out of nowhere to save him/her at the last second
>this happens in every single fight
This is a general anime cliche but still it bugs me more in mecha for some reason.
>>13927113
But that cliche is great, it's the perfect way to let the person who just arrived show off how much stronger they've become since the last time you've seen them.
>>13927121
I don't mind it every now and then but deus ex machina shit like that EVERY fight gets on my nerves and fast.
>>13927108
Donate a bunch of money to pad the sound budget of anime, you mean.
You sound like the kind of guy who bitches about shows existing just to sell toys, or animation quality.
>>13924651
>Brighto lets Mr Mary Sue do whatever he wants but shits on everyone else for every little thing
In which series?
Because Braighto hates Amuro's guts for, like, the first third of MSG, and even after that he never bitches anyone out except Sayla the one time she fucks off.
>>13927174
He's probably just one of those guys who incessantly defend Tomino characterization because it's "realistic" for people, even ones who are ostensibly trained professionals, to act like screaming dipshits.
>>13927113
>>teenage pilot
I take it you don't care too much for Super Robots
>>13927340
Actually I'm not a fan of Tomino. Or real robots in general.
>>13927174
>or animation quality.
Why SHOULDN'T you bitch about bad animation quality? Yes, everything is on a budget, but there is limitations to that excuse. You don't have to go full Toei.
Trumped up rivals and the battles that follow them.
I don't like it when a mecha series needs/wants to have the main character and his "rival" but don't take any time to make the fight meaningful or write up a decent rivalry between the characters in the first place.
Graham showing up to effectively throw his life away against a Gundam (it didn't matter which one) and shouting at the Gundam pilot is great.
Graham turning into an even bigger weeaboo and focusing all his time on Setsuna (who gives no shits about him and has too many characters after him at this point) is boring.
I'm not saying that both characters have to care as much for it to be decent, but what does it mean? What do the characters have to do with each other? On Dunbine, I care about the Black Knight's hatred towards Shou, because Shou's effectively ruined his life (of course, not deliberately) and their positions in life has basically switched from the start of the series.
Even at the end, Shou says "I'm not attacking the man, I'm severing his hatred!" or something like that.
Man, I'm picking on Gundam 00 a lot, even though I don't hate it.
>>13931472
Here's how you write a good rivalry
Make the two characters very similar. They have 3 main fights.
The antagonistic rival outright wins the first fight,
They're evenly matched in the second fight.
The hero overcomes him after a hard struggle in the third fight.
>>13931485
Thanks Itsuno
>>13922213
I'd watch Jeff Goldblum piloting a mech to save all of mankind.
>>13931512
T-There wouldn't be a, ah, war as it were, right now, if we learned to underSTAND each other.
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>>13931485
No, it should go like so:
The antagonistic rival outright wins the first fight,
They're evenly matched in the second fight.
The antagonistic rival outright wins the third fight.
