Why do they keep giving Alto jets when he bails out of them constantly?
Does he think he's playing Saints Row?
>>13895839
You can rebuild the same jet on an assembly line.
Retraining a new pilot takes forever.
>>13896246
I thought the VF-29 was pretty much a one-off made of VF-25 parts, fold crystals and gaffer tape.
>>13896263
So they build another jet? As long as the ace pilot survives, it's all good.
On the other hand, a Valk without a competent pilot is just a flying target.
Do you realize how easy it is to make new jets in Macross?
Have you seen 7 where every week they send wave after wave of fighters against the Protodevlin and they all get rekt?
>>13895839
Why isn't every VF a Ghost?
>>13896802
The real question is where they get all these pilots. They seemed to be a bit better at ejecting in 7 than they were in SDF, but still.
>>13896817
Because the Ghosts in Plus getting hijacked spooked them away from drones.
>>13896834
Come on that was one timewhat could go wrong?
>>13896817
Didn't they ban AI VFs for obvious Plus related reasons?
>>13896828
>The real question is where they get all these pilots
Yeah 7 seemed to have no problems slaughtering all their forces week after week after week
They don't have any problem using autonomous weapons with limited/shackled AI. That was the shota in the green VF-25's whole deal. Plus he jailbroke them in the last episode with no ill effects.
>>13896904
Yeah, autonomous, notably smaller, weapons. Not actual VFs with AIs in them
>>13896263
Not exactly. There is the YF-29B Percival that Earth's Nova Industries produced for Havamal in Macross 30. While the VF-25 was a joint development of Shinsei Industry and L.A.I. the YF-29 was a joint development of L.A.I. and Nova Industries. The VF-27 has four engines because the specs of the YF-29 was leaked in 2058 during Macross the Ride.
Oh there are also the YF-29 Durandal Customs of Isamu and Ozma.
>>13897591
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>>13896892
They were running large recruitment campaigns for new pilots during the series.
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>>13897591
Is the Lucifer supposed to be more advanced than the YF-29 then?
Wasn't there's a skull squadron livery YF-29 too?
>>13897607
Ozma's is pretty nice besides the wacky head, but it will never be as sexy as the 30th Anniversary version.
>>13897619
not really, the YF-29 was in development for a while and has much higher specs than the VF-27, whose individual engines actually produce lower thrust than the VF-25s, theres just more of them.
>>13896892
The VF-19Active Nothung, the YF-25 and the YF-30 all run on the same A.I. Brunhilde. The Neo Glaugs also have A.I..
What most aren't crazy about are Sharon type on military craft. Macross Galaxy and Luca have their own versions for their Ghosts.
In Macross Musiculture there are A.I. androids called Cyberdroids. They are more like Chobbit Persocoms.
>>13895839
Saints Row went to shit after 2
>>13897716
Just like macross ;^)
>>13897716
4 was when it became a parody of itself.
>>13897644
I'm confused. So let me ask this;
>YF-24 came first. This first-version model is Shinsei/Galaxy's joint project.
>The first YF-24 development fails. Shinsei later revives the YF-24 development that would be named the "Evolution" that builds its core design philosophy around the ISC. The final design is sent out as a template to the fleets. (2040 - 2050?)
>Next is the YF-25. LAI, using Shinsei's -24 template, added the Ex-Gear into its design.
>Then came the VF-25. LAI developed the VF-25 from the YF-25's data. (2059?)
>From the YF-24, Galaxy developed the YF-27. (2059)
>YF-29 put into development since after the earliest known Vajra incident at Gallia 4. Data from the YF-24 is fed into its project, its development goals are reworked so that final performance should surpass the -24. (post-2048?)
>After the Frontier fleet encounters the Vajra again, LAI Frontier gets in contact with Shinsei who then supplies them with the -29 design, and the development is completed due to LAI supplying the fold quartz required to complete it.
>LAI Frontier builds the first -29. (2059?)
>LAI later gets in contact with Nova; the -29B is developed and several units are produced.
Is that how it goes? So the YF-29 ended up having several units produced because it was also the strongest fighter design at that time?
>>13897825
The 29 is one of the most heavily armed and one of the fastest.
If we were talking Gundam it wouldn't be unreasonable to classify the 29 as a small mobile armor, if only because of that beam turret.
>>13897825
The YF-25, YF-27 and YF-29 were all concurrently being developed. The YF-29 was delayed because it needed a large amount of Fold Quartz for its high specs. There are only two known sources of Fold Quartz, Vajra and Protoculture planets like Ouroboros. As the Protoculture learned how to create Fold Quartz on their own. The Bird Human and the Dyaus guardians and ruins have them.
2057
From Macross Compendium
2057
YF-29 development completed but halted due to lack of fold quartz.
June 24
Prototype VF-25's first flight. Macross Frontier comes near a newly discovered star system (in the M55NGC6909 planetary cluster) for resource collection. A series of test flight programs began on the 3rd planet (designated Messiah 025) where the atmosphere was deemed suitable for testing the new variable fighter along with the Uraga-class carrier "Shanghai III" serving as an orbital base for testing.[Shinsei Industry Test Flight Center, Planet Eden, Lagrange point L2 Factory Colony.]
December 11
Prototype VF-27's first flight from the small aircraft carrier "Katmandu III".
>>13898148
So the -25 and the -27 came direct from the -24.
Whereas the -29, while also a descendant of the -24, is - or WAS - a design that technically preceded the Messiah and the Lucifer, but technology from the -25 ALSO mixed into the -29 because Shinsei and LAI were in close cooperation over the -25 and the following Vajra threat to the Frontier.
Am I still on the right rails? Those chogokin releases of the YF-29 in Ozma/Isamu colors aren't just done for fun, right? Any extra details on how the -29B gained a small production line? Or is the answer already in Macross 30?
>>13901764
Concurrently means around the same time. The VF-25 was a Shinsei and LAI joint venture, the YF-29 was a LAI and Nova joint venture.
The YF-29 was being developed even before the Vajra came into the picture. Just that the YF-29 Alto had was a rush job that it had VF-25 parts. As one can see with the YF-29B it has missile pallets on the legs that Alto's Durandal do not have. Data from the Tornado pack contributed to the YF-29.
All we know about the YF-29B is that is was produced on Earth for the NUNS 815th Independent Squadron "Havamal". The bottleneck being Fold Quartz and the Protoculture ruins of planet Ouroboros having more than enough for them and the YF-30 project of SMS director Aisha Blanchett.
The YF-27 design that Guld Works submitted to NUNS only had two engines. Leaked data of the YF-29 gave Galaxy the idea of four engines for the VF-27 as the YF-24 air frame can take it. Galaxy misled NUNS on the craft they were developing as they plan to use it against them.
Also as long as a craft have a YF designation it is officially not meant for mass production thus some details are held back from NUNS for trade secrets.
>>13902410
>Just that the YF-29 Alto had was a rush job that it had VF-25 parts. As one can see with the YF-29B it has missile pallets on the legs that Alto's Durandal do not have.
Wrong
>can store up to 100 x micro-missiles in 12 x Bifors MBL-02S micro-missile launchers (two exit ports each in left/right engine pod; four exit ports each in left/right conformal armament pods); small missiles equipped with the shoulders and sides of the engines/legs; engine/leg sections can separate from the center into 2 blocks capable of launching missiles at angles up to 270 degrees
Answer :
When Alto pilot any jet he kill 1000 of enemy for each jet lost.
Anybody else could barely hope to kill 100 before being killed themselves.
IRL it is in fact very very costly to train a pilot now.
If a war happened we would probably relax the criteria but it would still cost a LOT because you don't want to waste your fighter anymore than the pilot.
