Man, Ultraman really is low budget.
>>13801788
You could say its ultra low budget.
But it looks better then filming in the same fucking rock quarry for 40 years.
>>13801819
No anon, you don't understand. It's another dimension they fight in so they don't destroy the city.
But you can't warp there from inside a warehouse.
>>13801825
I like how in Ultraman, when a monster fight breaks out, people either evacuate the city or just stand there and stare at the fucking things.
>>13801830
To be fair, nips are like that with natural disasters in real life
>>13801895
At least they don't try to jump from 1,000ft tall burning buildings
>>13801903
Going splat is presumably less painful than burning to death, anon.
>>13801788
>they use practical effects
>low budget!
Unless you compare it to hollywood blockbusters which arent, you know, weekly tv shows.
>>13801788
that's vintage dirt from the legendary quarry that they have to throw or else they anger the toku gods
>>13801788
more like faux budget. the whole thing is funded with monopoly money
I heard Toei shipped the original rock quarry to America for Saban.
>>13801980
Yet it still looks better then Rider and Sentai.
>>13801788
That's part of the charm and part of the magic.
I fondly remember watching reruns of Ultraman Ace on Chinese TV just to watch for zippers on the suits.
Also Yoko was hot for the 90s
>>13801895
>people are like that with natural disasters in real life
That's practical special effects for you.
Wasn't the classic punching sound originally achieved by punching a chicken or something?
>>13802731
Just like coconuts are used for horse galloping
>>13802731
>punching a chicken
Brutal.
>>13801788
Looks better than most hollywood fight scenes man
>>13803498
Hey, whatever sounds best works. A lot of the blaster noises from the original Star Wars is a guy wandering in the desert for three days, banging stuff together, and recording it. Godzilla's roar is the sound of a leather glove being run over a loose-stringed bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXHllEAucso
>>13801788
That's pretty cool actually
I ought to start watching Ultraman
>>13801819
They actually moved to a different quarry in the 90s. The old one got too unsafe to film at.
>>13803569
Oh wow, it's amazing how the old one looks better. Also which show is the older one from?
>>13803584
The 1966 Ultraman, where visual quality can vary between surprisingly decent and literally just the actors standing in front of a projector screen.
>>13803610
>bottom one
Oh, God.
>>13801908
It's the smoke inhalation actually. The people who jumped were suffocating.
>>13803610
>"Hey, you asleep?"
>>13801788
Yeah, but the final product looks great!
anyone ever wanted to make your own low budget toku show?
>>13803952
Yes.
Basically Izenborg revival.
>>13801788
Is that gif supposed to support your negative implication?It's not working
>>13801788
On the other hand, why use CGI time and budget to put dirt on the action when there's an easier, cheaper way?
>>13804022
Because CGI is actually cheaper on the wholesale
>>13801903
That guy in the middle left looks like he's dashing to his death.
Badass.
>>13804038
>rendering dirt
>cheaper
>>13804038
>Get some of the team you already have working and thus have already paid to throw dirt in front of the camera for a few minutes
VS
>Paying people to render dirt in a specific manner being thrown up by the actors in a small time frame.
One of these things is cheaper than the other. And in my opinion, even bad practical effects look better than mediocre CGI.
Man, Tsuburaya is really nice to my country. Also Evil Tiga.
https://youtu.be/dqvrAh3BD48?t=9m26s
>>13805153
Old man Tsuburaya is awesome.
>>13801788
And it looks awesome as hell.
I like how '66 Ultraman did something similar to the typical toku location-changing, but it was due to the monster's spacetime powers and was played as humor.
>>13801788
And yet it works really well.
Anyone know where that's from? I'd be curious to see some behind the scenes stuff like this. Being translated would also be a bonus
>>13805910
Not the same source, but there was a toku documentary in English for Godzilla's 60th anniversary that also covered Ultraman stuff. Title was something like "
The Amazing World of Japanese Special Effects".
>>13805945
NHK did another documentary like a year or two later shortly before the Attack on Titan movie
>>13805945
Sweet, I'll check it out
Some things look really weird when you look at them from a different angle.
>>13803952
Always.
Constantly.
>>13801788
How is that low budget? That's what tokusatsu is! Practical effects!
Jesus fuck I swear you retards don't even know what toku is about.
>>13804761
>>13804858
Not my words
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/02/world/asia/japan-films-shed-rubber-suits-godzilla-roars.html?_r=0
“Sure, I would love to keep making tokusatsu, but the reality is that C.G. is now cheaper, faster and can do more,” said Mr. Oka, who worked as cameraman and then director on nine Ultraman movies. “If Eiji Tsuburaya were still alive, he would use C.G. We have no choice.”
>>13806696
Different budget, different time frame, different production schedule. And he's not talking about a single effect shot, he's talking about practical effects in big budget films, not small budget TV shows.
That's actually really cool. I knew they slowed down the footage slightly to increase that illusion of size, but I didn't know they straight up threw the dirt and debris with their hands. I always thought it was like compressed air or stunt charges.
>>13801819
isn't that place in the back ground the quarry?
>>13801903
Guy on the top row third from the right not giving a fuck
>>13803610
It was 1966, anon.
Eleking is cute.
If Anno can do it, why can't we?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJZBt6wTNe0
>>13801788
Dumbass, I count eight people to make one shot, how the fuck is that low-budget?
>>13809502
What is going on there?
I think toku started to lost steam for the oil crisis on the 70s and Star Wars. The latter changed Hollywood forever. Toku didn't look worse than shows like Star Trek or Lost in Space, in fact it was more action-driven and funnier from a kids perspective with all the action sequences and weird monsters. Then Lucas revolutionized special effects and toku started to look worse compared to Hollywood productions. Also, the western audience became infantilized and trash subproducts started to get 200 millions of budget and global publicity campaigns for giving the illusion of quality, see Marvel. Toku just can't compite.
Master race reporting in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39vkhqjv7m4
>>13809588
That doesn't explain why Tiga and Dyna pulled really good ratings for the time.
>>13810527
They weren't that good. In fact, they lost steam very quickly
Tiga
http://www10.atwiki.jp/shichouseiko/pages/120.html
Dyna
http://www10.atwiki.jp/shichouseiko/pages/121.html
>>13801819
The irony of this stupid faggot's post when they're filming in that fucking quarry in OP's pic
>>13811298
Different section of it though.
>>13811237
>Seven once looked like Gutsman.exe
>>13811237
>Seven was intentionally designed after Tetsujin-28
What.
>>13810554
> They weren't that good.
To heck with you, man. Tiga was great. Can't say much about Dyna though, since subs are slow as balls.
>>13802694
The other girl from TAC was much hotter.
>>13811698
He's talking about the ratings...
>>13811790
Shit. Uh, excuse my idiocy then.
>>13809644
80 is pretty good. It's a shame that it doesn't get recommended too often.
>>13811698
>subs are slow as balls.
Yeah, about that...
https://megabeastempire.(word and press).com/2015/07/13/neo-ultra-q-04/
>>13801788
Literallydirt cheap.
Anyways that looks like fun.
>>13811879
I should stop going several months without checking this stuff.
Come to think of it though, has anything actually come of UMC/Chaiyo filing suit against Tsuburaya last year?
>>13811927
No sign so far, as usual. On the bright side, the Crunchyroll/Tsuburaya deal is continuing with Nexus.
>>13811961
Cool. I still need to finish it so that'll be a good opportunity to do so.
>>13801903
Fire hurts, stupid.
>>13812065
I agree.
>>13812084
Is Zoffy the meme of the franchise?
>>13812097
Everything can be a meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyhzrHh16x8
>>13812114
>0:08
>YAMETE
>>13812114
Man, I just realized I actually can't recall any Ultra-memes aside from Zoffy's head being on fire, and LEO-NIISAN.
I need to find more of these dank memes...
>>13812133
Can only last 3 minutes.
>>13812133
>>13811542
look like some sea monster instead
>>13803952
I dream of it every day.
>>13811542
I'm seeing glasses and loads of facial hair.
>>13811542
>>13813316
>>13803952
I´d love to do that its one of the things I wanna do in my life
>>13805959
I saw this one, god damnit those amateurs are fucking awesome
>>13811790
>He's talking about the ratings...
(the ratings are not actually that bad though)
>>13813730
Don't get your jimmies so rustled on 4chin, Anon.
Alternatively, go back to Tumblr or something.
>>13813647
No one said that. Just they were not that good and lost steam along the way.
>>13811698
>>13813647
The ratings are decent but the problem is that...executives thought Tiga was going to pull in those crazy numbers the original Ultraman did. (high 30%s) They were disappointed when they saw they were basically inline with every other toku at the time.
>>13809341
The 8 people have to be there anyways.
They didn't hire people to throw dirt, they had the lights guy, a couple of the costuming dudes, one of the grips, ETC.
>>13814489
The rock they were living under must have been enormous if they didn't know they were going to have massive competition from anime and other tokusatsu.
>>13814489
Toku at the time wasn't doing it that great either. Sentai was going through its worst hour and a year later would lost its time slot, Changerion was a flop and Rider was still on hiatus. I don't know how was performing 1996 MH
>>13814744
B-Fighter Kabuto did better than Tiga:
http://www10.atwiki.jp/shichouseiko/pages/103.html
>>13814853
I guess there's no accounting for taste.
>>13814911
Quality-wise, 1996 was a great year for toku but the audience wasn't interested
>>13809500
WTF IS THIS SHIT? "We Avatar now?"
>>13815057
Strangely enough, the timing of this post couldn't be better, because Hi no Tori just released another episode for this show today.
>>13815079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDn1SXmSEZk
>>13814936
That doesn't really make sense though. Why would they bother with three consecutive shows if nobody was interested?
>>13815255
There's a book with the entire history of how the Ultraman franchise crash and burn but it isn't translated to english
>>13815278
It'll be something to read in four years or whenever I get good enough to read a book.
Still, it seems a little more complicated than a single crash and burn.
>>13815308
Arguably, it started with Leo
>>13815319
Aside from the problems caused by the oil crisis, Leo was kind of stuck with a production that couldn't decide whether it should be for kids like Taro or try to appeal to longterm adult fans.
>>13815387
Shoot, forgot to say "That's hard to disagree with."
>>13815255
Tsuburaya was a very old-fashioned company who refused to keep up with the new methods of financing. They created an illusion of profitability when they were actually losing money. The series did good, mind you, just not enough to sustain the huge costs of production.
>>13815387
>>13815419
Leo wanted to appeal to the adult fans but the reception was underwhelming so the show became schizophrenic between being a sci-fi drama and Taro S2
>>13815446
Even though it was personally my favorite part of the show, having a martial arts film inspired Ultra show was probably a huge mistake as far as trying to appeal to the adult fans.
Here's my collection.
>>13814744
>>13814718
The producers on Tiga basically said this, in lighter terms, to the people funding the show. They knew from the outset they were being given unrealistic expectations.
MH was always fairly consistent, good ratings, almost always better than Sentai, and average toy sales.
>>13815690
>MH was always fairly consistent, good ratings, almost always better than Sentai, and average toy sales.
Right until Kabutack and Robotack somehow killed all of that goodwill overnight. If only there were enough available raws so people could see why.
>>13815446
Still beats Nexus being nipped at the bud by being shunted into another timeslot.
>>13815701
I thought it was because the designs for both shows look like they came straight out of Ganbare Robocon.
>>13815701
>Right until Kabutack and Robotack somehow killed all of that goodwill overnight. If only there were enough available raws so people could see why.
At least in terms of ratings, those last two shows improved upon the previous years. They did beetle robots because the toy from B-Fighter Kabuto actually sold really well.
>>13815754
How come after going from the likes of B fighter, they went to Kabutack and Robotack?
>>13815732
>>13815754
Guess the toys didn't sell, then. Granted, it doesn't help that a much older show already had similar toy designs before.
>>13816549
Because people liked the cartoony aspect of that robot.
To be fair, what little I've seen of those shows is actually not bad? It's not this super kiddy baby thing. They're more along the lines of a comedy series than anything else.
>>13817004
It's not that those shows did bad. It's just that Kuuga and Agito did too damn good, especially Agito. Originally, Ryuki was planned to be a MH but Bandai got overexcited with Rider's success and wanted to exploit the brand a little more. Also, toku tried for an entire decade to do something different and it was constantly rejected by the audience but somehow Kuuga/Agito made it among the mainstream audience
>>13817099
Well no wonder. Of course, they did put MH on hiatus for a few years by that point, so that's a contributing factor.
>somehow
I say that it's the supermodel actors. Sure, the dark and down-to-earth tone helped, but one can't deny this.
>>13817086
Fushigi Comedy, to be exact. The thing is, no one can judge them fairly because of the near-complete lack of available raws (except the two movies that get harped on), unlike something like Fiveman. It doesn't help that they are considered infamous among toku subbers. Unless Kabutack and Robotack get DVDs, this reputation will remain.
>It's not this super kiddy baby thing.
Same for Ultraman, although that one forced meme goes on regardless.
>>13817116
Yeah I think there's a kneejerk reaction among fans. They're definitely more in line with that set of Fushigi Comedy shows that had kids following a masked man and trying to figure out his identity. I've seen about 10 episodes of each and they were a lot of fun, only one or two episodes in the lot that I didn't enjoy.
>>13817134
Sailor Otaku enjoys those FC shows as well, so it'd be nice if he can get to do some (although certain ones are tough to obtain, raw-wise).
>>13817116
Were there ever any VHS releases of them?
>>13817728
I saw one for Robotack on Ebay, at least.
>>13817731
The sale for it ends pretty soon too.
>>13817731
>>13817931
Very tempted, but $9 shipping...
>>13817994
Take the plunge, it'd give BunnyHat something to do until DVDs crop up.
>>13818004
It looks like it's only one episode? I dunno, have to think about it.
>>13817086
Do they even fight things?
>>13818311
There's a few stubborn ne'er do wells both shows' casts have to fight from time to time. I mean, why else would they need to transform? That said, Hironobu Kageyama must've really loved his job, since he got to sing the OP for Robotack, bizarrely enough.
>>13818311
They fight each other. The shows didn't usually have monsters, just the heroic group of robots and an enemy robot group:
https://youtu.be/GdBrOLDnQgY?t=14m32s
It is actually a lot of fun to watch these giant goofy costumes move around an interact with humans before they transform. I've personally always been a fan of their transformed states, I think the designers really had a blast with them.
>>13818342
I'm glad he loved his job. Robotack's theme is great.
What's everyone planning to do for the 50th anniversary in July?
>>13801788
I thought people would understand this by now.
>>13820323
I also distinctly remember That Bridge (or at least the water underneath) from the Agito arc in Decade.
>>13820323
That park with the stone pillars shows up a lot too.
>>13820323
>>13820344
Never forget that fucking pool
>>13820323
>>13820364
>>13820367
>>13820364
>>13820367
>>13820470
sorry if this is spoonfeeding, but is there a reference site for locations of all the recurring spots in toku shows? i've found a couple random blogs for sentai, but that's all.
Remember when Terui was horrified to find his house covered in plastic wrap?
>>13820323
I remember that from PGSM too.
>>13815478
Cool. Are they erasers?
>>13820255
Wish i can travel there to watch the whatever stage show for 50th anniversary but I want to visit Seven's shop in June more.
>>13820594
MillionFold Curiosity and Sailor Otaku's Weeablog occasionally bring up these places, depending on the episode making use of them.
>>13820795
Well, someone on 20th Century Fox loved how Weather Dopant died.
Some more varying quality in a single episode.
>>13821253
Cool.
Travel is a bit too steep for me money-wise, but I will likely rewatch the original series and do an art project.
>>13821253
They are mostly erasers.
>>13822712
That last one is pretty good
>>13821736
Do tank turrets normally explode into puffs of flame and sparks with no metallic wreckage afterwards?
>>13824705
That's already going up for sale next week?
>>13824705
>ver 7.2
Did the Seven suit get an upgrade?
>>13824705
At least with the yellow visor they can't drop the ball on the paint job like they did for the first one.
>>13820323
>>13820364
>>13820367
>>13820470
>>13826111
Why is everyone fighting Tsurugi Demaaga? Is there going to be an army of those?
>>13826755
David Carridine was a kaiju?
>>13826755
>FUCK! THIS KEEPS HAPPENING!
>>13826763
GG, anon. Didn't see that coming.
>>13825823
Is that the guy that did Big O?
>>13828776
Yes, that's Kazuyoshi Katayama.
>>13830333
>>13830339
What are these from?
>>13830866
Promo material for the upcoming movie, I assume.
This was a weird experience.
>>13830339
>Tiga
Oh fuck
>>13832190
That fucking baby capsule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb32d3xr2Us
I'M ULTRAMAN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO8mw2QR98o
>>13832604
Nigga that kawaii.
>>13832190
They all look like fucking robot potatoes.
Thank god all our main and secondary Ultras have been, coincidentally, pretty attractive*.
*excluding Ultraman 80 and Yullian
>>13832709
YOU'RE a robot potato.
>>13832731
say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens
>>13832709
>*excluding Ultraman 80 and Yullian
How rude.
>>13832825
80 looks cute sometimes, but in the dumb want-to-bully kind of way
>>13832769
MAX IS A ROBOT POTATO
>>13832877
Nah, he just looks fuckin' mad all the time.
>>13832849
Fair enough. His human form is like that too.
>>13832896
Looks more like Seven's cooler son.
>>13832996
Not hard given that the other one's an edgy teenager.
>>13832896
He looks like an insecure fratboy to me, really. Also female genitalia head.
Never liked Max's design at all, but Not-Melos is great though.
>>13833094
People always point out the "vagina head" but I'm afraid I just don't see it.
>>13833229
General shape, opening, clitoris on top, etc.
>>13833289
Nah, still nothing.
>>13832769
>>13833410
>>13826249
it was in the that tapestry prophecy thing that introduced Ultraman X and his Exceed powerup
>>13833965
I don't remember that. I do recall some ancient artwork or whatever in the first episode about how Demaaga was defeated by a giant of light a long time ago, but it didn't sound like it was about X in particular.
>>13834221
>>13834228
Is it just me or does it look like the Xio Members ARE the Ultramen?
>>13834893
You're not alone. It's especially weird to think that nerd girl could transform into Zero, of all people.
>>13801903
There's no dignity in death. We all die like pigs. I hope my bladder isn't full when I kick the bucket.
>>13803952
I am this summer. I already have a fist draft of the script finished, people who want to star and the materials to start making the outfits.
>>13835162
>fist draft
Are you saying that it involves a lot of punching?
>>13834893
>>13834898
It's not that. It's supposed to be each member of the team examining an Ultra and pointing out their unique traits.
>>13835221
Expect the greatest fight choreography some early 20s assholes can accomplish. All in beautiful 4:3.
>>13835162
So you gonna share with the class or we have to beat it out of you
>inb4 getting that hacker known as 4chan
>>13835303
>"Ultraman Zero told me to say good things or else he'd touch my pink parts. Send help."
>>13836069
She loves it and she knows it.
>>13836069
>or else he'd touch my pink parts
I think you forgot a "wouldn't touch" or actually insisting it's a bad thing.
>Ultraman Leo episode 40
>>13836923
Am I the only one who felt a little sick whenLeo pulled what was left of MAC's base out of Silver Bloome's stomach?
I'm watching Tiga right now at a snail's pace (watched episode 5 today) as my first Ultraman and I think it's pretty good. Loving the practical effects and action sequences, though I could do without the CG. The writing and music are surprisingly decent as well. Are any of the 2000's or 10's Ultraman shows worth a watch, or should I watch the original and 7 afterwards?
>>13836960
Mebius is great.
Max is alright.
Cosmos is OK if your a dirty hippy.
To see worse CG from the same company, watch Gridman.
>>13832877
I don't know who's making all these Minya reaction images, but I fucking adore them
>>13836969
DICKS.
>>13836965
I was actually planning on watching Gridman after seeing some of the suits, but being the retard I am didn't find any subs.
>>13836974
y- you too.
>IT BURNS WHEN I PEE
>>13836978
Super Samurai Cyber Squad.
>>13836978
> subs
Yeah, about that. There aren't any.
COCKS
>>13836986
>There's a dub dub
Might be fun.
>>13836988
Well at least I'm not retarded I guess
>>13837001
>There's a dub dub
What?
are there any girl ultramans
>>13837146
>>13837017
I accidentally said dub twice. Guess I really am retarded
>>13837155
Wondering more why you would call it a "dub" in the first place.
>>13837166
Oh, looks like it's sort of a different thing. My bad.
>>13836986
its called Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad you uncultured swine
>>13837170
S'alright then.
>>13837146
There's a few.
>>13836965
I like violence and grit in my Ultramans and I fucking loved Cosmos. It was pretty cute, and the cast was great.
Slow start though. I was considering dropping it after the first 12 eps or so because it seemed lackluster.
>tfw Cosmos will never hug and pet you
why even live?
>>13837317
I'm okay with that.
>>13836965
I notice you didn't recommend Ultra Seven.
>>13837569
He didn't recommend the original either though.
>>13815117
oh it's a collab thing
>>13836960
Just know that Dyna and Gaia won't get full subs for a while, because Hi no Tori are cowards. Which is a shame, since Gaia was head written by Konaka and it's some of his best work.
Also, Nexus is pretty good for a modern take on a grittier Ultra.
>>13836960
I think some of the CG is reduced as the show goes on. I recall they stop using a CG model for the transformation shots after a few episodes.
>>13836923
I wonder what happened behind the scenes. They killed the entire cast and replaced them with 11 episodes left. It felt more like a reboot except it came a little too late. Taking Tooru out of the equation, it could easily be Ultraman Leo RX.
The biggest question is, what's up with Dan's hideous moustache?
>>13837670
>Just know that Dyna and Gaia won't get full subs for a while, because Hi no Tori are cowards.
What the fuck does this mean?
>>13838209
CR is subbing Ultraman stuff, and they're afraid their work will be wasted (and they'd rather people support the actual releases, I'm sure) when/if CR gets to Dyna and Gaia. Definitely wouldn't call them cowards for that, though.
>>13838030
Could have been a budget issue. Leo was facing financial problems because of the oil crisis.
>The biggest question is, what's up with Dan's hideous moustache?
Maybe Tsuburaya didn't want all those stay-at-home mothers to complain about removing Dan from the show. Dude turned 10/10 to fucking hideous with that thing on.
It can't be a coincidence that he 'died' in the same episode, I'm sure.That's my theory, anyway, cause I got nothing otherwise
>>13838469
>CR is subbing Ultraman stuff, and they're afraid their work will be wasted (and they'd rather people support the actual releases, I'm sure) when/if CR gets to Dyna and Gaia. Definitely wouldn't call them cowards for that, though.
Yeah, I wouldn't even call that fear, they just don't want to waste their time on work being done by someone else.
>>13838518
Chaiyo was also a reason at the time, since there was some new court thing going on between Tsuburaya, but for obvious reasons (lol Chaiyo) it's not really a concern. It's mainly CR that's the issue.
I wish Gaia was subbed, partially because I don't know whether or not to buy the Ultra-act. The figure is becoming harder to find (and I don't want to start paying more for the dude), but I don't feel any connection to Gaia himself to throw the money now.
>>13836956
Remind me to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aoLMp6q3js
>>13838518
>>13838533
In fairness, Hi no Tori aren't very quick anyways, so it's no big deal. There's no doubt CR will tackle Dyna and Gaia sooner or later, but the only question is "when?".
>>13838469
Personally, the mustache reminds me of Lando (sorry, "Landow") from The Killing of Satan, somehow.
