The prequels were more interesting.
>>13685956
Sure, if you liked watching the house of commons: in space
>>13685956
You're fucking kidding yourself if you think so, buddy, but okay. It is an opinion.A terrible and wrong opinion.
>>13685956
I agree.
The prequels had better world building than TFA. Naboo, Coruscant, Kamino, Geonosis, Kashyyyk, Utapau, & Mustafar were unique worlds that were imaginative and fun.
TFA just had Not!Tatooine (Jakku), Yavin 4/Endor for Maz Kanata's place & Resistance base, and the bastard child of Hoth and a Death Star for Starkiller Base. Boring.
Too bad the prequels had the worst dialogue and directing ever.
>>13686079
>Kashyyyk, Utapau, & Mustafar
We barely saw these places, mind you, and barring the notable absence of treetop residences we knew what Kashyyyk looked like from the goddamn Holiday Special. Even Geonosis and Kamino didn't have much going for them.
>>13686079
I can agree with this myself, but TFA felt really engaging to be completely honest. Much more so than the prequels. I actually gave a shit about the characters. Where as the prequels had most of the actors besides McGregor, Liam Neeson, and Christopher Lee being shit.
Everything aside from the story in the prequels was awesome. TFA was pretty balanced, obviously so because Disney would never do anything too radical with the first new movie in years.
>>13686087
Sure. But for the short while we saw them, they were far more interesting and memorable than the locales in TFA.
>>13686079
>Naboo, Coruscant, Kamino, Geonosis, Kashyyyk, Utapau, & Mustafar were unique worlds that were imaginative and fun.
And only two of them were in the first Prequel movie.
People should stop judging TFA against the entire prequel trilogy, because if it seems lacking, that might be because it had a third of the fucking runtime. (Less, even, if you factor in all the extended scenes and shit)
>>13686094
TFA was the better film than the prequels. It's just all the missed opportunities in world building made me slightly disappointed in the final product.
>>13686113
Disney was so obviously trying to strike parallels with A New Hope, and all the nostalgia-fuel commercials on TV for normalfags and the references in movie really reinforce the fact. Episode VIII will hopefully go back to making more unique stuff in Star Wars.
given the long-term plans for endless Star Wars it seems reasonable to start out with making sure you've got the basic chops down before you try new things
>>13686143
I forgot, what was the plan again? 1 star wars movie a year until forever/the cow is dry was it?
>>13686139
Amen to that.
Prequels are like Tomino anime.
Interesting ideas, but with mediocre dialogue and directing. (G Reco, Brain Powered, Byston Well anime)
The Force Awakens is like Gundam Unicorn. Good directing and dialogue to mask a mediocre cliche script who's only purpose is to serve nostalgiafags.
>>13686152
Apparently, yeah, they have the next 4 years planned.
2016 will be Rogue One.
>>13686152
iirc a stockholder report gave it an estimated shelf life at current levels of 40 years
>>13686170
Tomino is one of the best directors though.
>>13686187
>tfw I'll be as old as obi wan in ANH and will go to a star wars movie dressed as obi wan
>>13686170
>Gundam Unicorn.
>Good direction and dialogue
>>13686170
Found the retard
>>13686079
That's because they want practical effects and sets and not just actors spending the whole film acting against a blue screen.
>>13686465
So that means all the future movies' outdoor scenes can only be set in either a desert, forest or tundra?
>>13686079
At least TFA made Rakata Prime canon.
>>13686094
Speaking of actors, those movies were the biggest waste of Sam Jackson ever.
>>13686512
I like the part where he acted as boring as possible.
>>13686508
Which reminds me, are KOTOR, KOTOR II and SW:TOR still canon?
>>13686519
KotOR and KotOR II, no. TOR, yes.
>>13685956
At least they were less black-washed.
>>13686170
>The Force Awakens is like Gundam Unicorn
Except the quest to find Luke took didn't take 6+ hours (or 3 movies) to accomplish.
>>13686518
That's pretty much every actor that wasn't McDiarmid.
>>13686519
Only to the movies, The Clone Wars, Rebels, and anything else made by Disney after the purchase is canon.
>>13686170
Unicorn was good, though.
>>13686530
I thought Ewan was pretty charismatic, especially given the shit dialogue he was forced to speak.
I just watched the movie. What's the deal with Phasma? She did literally nothing. Is Disney trying to build a new Boba Fett, like /toy/ says?
And Kylo's actor's ears are giant, holy shit.
>>13685956
This this this.
The prequels are not good movies but they show off Lucas's skills as an idea man. TPM is literally him jumping around the universe showing off this beautiful republic before it gets into the grime of war.
>>13686508
Wasthe planet Luke was hiding on Rakata Prime?It kind of gave me that vibe.
>>13686519
No, but I would not be surprised if they were to be recanonized with all the parallels to KOTOR that TFA had. Some elements of it are being reintroduced through out of movie sources already. Malachor from KOTOR II was mentioned in one of the guide books, though The Clone Wars technically already reintroduced it before.
>>13686545
Apparently. The showing I went to had viewers do an interactive vote on who they thought was the coolest of the First Order's forces before the movie started, and she won by a landslide. I can only imagine their disappointment.
>>13686539
The accent does help.
>>13686545
Strong female anotagonist who don't need no man.
>>13686545
Captain Phasma, she is a FETT
>>13686545
Gwendoline Christie confirmed she'll to return in Episode 8 and, based on Kathleen Kennedy's comments, she's intended to became a real villain.
>>13686551
Well, it was a planet that looked blue from orbit, was covered in an ocean dotted with islands, was in the Unknown Regions, and was in almost exactly the same place as Rakata Prime. And Rakata Prime was included on the TFA map.
>>13686554
Meh, the trooper with the electrified tonfa was cooler, even if Finn using a lightsaber so well without being force-sensitive or having training was weird.
>>13686564
FUCK, fuck.
I really wish it had gone like this.
>Leia and the Resistance figure out where the Starkiller base is and its effective range
>Hosnian Prime is inside the firing range
>cut to Hux's speech and the Starkiller firing
I mean...it's EXPOSITION.
>>13685956
I think Revenge of The Sith was. They prequels also had fucking amazing music. I mean seriously was John Williams even trying with this one, I don't remember shit.
>>13686567
TR-8R was based.
>>13686113
>>13686139
>TFA was the better film than the prequels. It's just all the missed opportunities in world building made me slightly disappointed in the final product.
This is exactly how I feel. Maybe I'll feel better if I see the movie again and get the Visual Dictionary but it just feels like missed potential and tons of "star wars" add-in commercials for cars and other products.
>>13686519
TOR is canon and Kotor may still be partially canon, if the planet Luke is on is in fact Rakata Prime, given how it's shown to be quite similar to how the planet is described in Kotor, as well as fairly obvious technological similarities between Starkiller base and the Star Forge.
Alos, remember, almost immediately after Disney declared everything in EU non-canon, they go back in the new comics and start re-canonizing almost all of it. In particular, there's a clear dichotomy between getting rid of all the EU that occurs after ROTJ and keeping a ton (but not all, at least not yet) of pre-ANH material.
>>13686576
I hope he comes back to take down Finn for good, like Fett blowing up the Sarlacc
>>13686564
I'm convinced now, and this just fuels my theories of Reybeing mindwiped like Revansince whoever did the writing obviously played some KOTOR and wanted to play out some of the plot points. I mean, Starkiller Base is the bastard child of the Star Forge and the Death Star.and just look at the poster, how Rey's staff perfectly lines up with Kylo's saber, they're hinting that she's going to be tempted by the dark side or was possibly once a darksider
>>13686590
>thinking Abrams would go down that route after all he's directed
You know, obvious solutions don't necessarily mean they're wrong. Rey's not exactly what you'd call a flawed, rounded character, and is a fairly personality-less self-insert, which makes her a useful tool to draw in audience members.
For the first movie, however, it would have been a financial misstep on Disney's part to repel the huddled masses of casuals by giving her a backstory in which she's too divergent from the 'every-woman'. Sadly, corporations are corporations and people have to pay off mortgages and send kids off to college. On the other hand, now that people have been drawn in (and with Abrams thankfully out of the director's seat), perhaps we can get a more nuanced character development.
>>13686577
I can't speak for anyone else but the movie was immeasurably better (and made more sense) to me the second time because many of the details that initially seemed like coincidence were actually explained either in context of the setting or the characters' roles.
For example: The first time I didn't fully catch onto the fact that Finn wasbasically bullshitting his way through the entire war meeting when he had no idea where the weak spot of Starkiller base was,and that it was eventually revealed to not exist and they had to create one themselves.
>>13686634
I really feel that I will like the movie a little more the second time around. When I was a little kid my brothers showed me the Star Wars movies and this was years before the prequels. Even then you could always go back and pop the tape back in and watch it again for yet another little detail.I picked up on Finn at that meeting but it was more of a gut feeling that my brain wanted to ignore. Still, sanitation is a sidegrade from building/facilities management. He can probably moonlight as a reactor technician. And from personal experience the handymen of a building know more than appearances let on...
>>13686642
Yea, when people go "this or that wasn't as memorable as thing from the trilogy" or similar I always wonder how memorable they found a lot of the content on a first re-watch since people have had decades to watch and re-watch those things as many times as they like and can go over the elements with a fine tooth comb if and as they wish. I'm looking forward to it coming out on bluray so that I can watch it at my leisure and take in details with a bit more care before making that kind of claim.
>>13686642
it's odd because in the novel Before the Awakening Finn wasmarked as an exemplary stormtrooper if not for his sense of camaraderie to the troopers in his unit, by the time they got to Jakku he literally just finished his academy and was his first day as a full stormtrooper, so I wonder when was he assigned as a janitor
Epsiode one had a better soundtrack.
Episode one also had more memorable scenes like the podracing and the final lightsaber fight.
Tatooine and Naboo had a lot more development than the planets in the force awakens
The villains weren't just Nazi wannabees in episode one.
There were several annoying characters in episode one and there was the midichlorian speech, but force awakens had a character figure out how to be a jedi on her own in a few hours.
The fighters were better in force awakens but even then most dogfights were made hard to follow and had little depth.
>>13685956
Kill yourself. No, seriously. Do it.
>>13685956
Zelda-cycle hits Star Wars?
>>13686669
Maybe I'll see the movie again as part of my New Years party routine. My friends hosting the party are even bigger Star Wars fans than I am. I mean they have the entire Episode 1 Pepsi can collection. At least until the Pepsi ate through the bottom of the cans.
>we drink this shit and it ate through aluminium
I ended up more in the Star Trek and Babylon 5 camps. Then again I am a Sci-Fi in general and just want to watch or read good material.
>>13686675
I'll have to pick this up from the library. The same nonsense with the comic books leading up to the new-Trek movies.
>>13686576
How low budget is this, it looks like a fan made movie.
>>13686717
Yeah, we should have had two CGI muppets flailing at each other instead.
>>13686576
I still can't understand why they made this a random trooper and Phasma someone to give a button push anyone could do and not the other way around.
>>13686576
>>13686793
because the had Phasma been shot Fin wouldn't have been able to go all "WHO'S IN CHARGE NOW?"
>>13686564
so what planets did starkiller base destroy?
>>13686682
Also, TPM has some gorgeous designs. Say what you will about Naboo, their ships are pure sex.
>>13686822
He could have gloated over her when Han shoots her instead.
>>13686831
>>13686837
ROGER ROGER
>>13686844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbSvsNgZ41Q
>>13686850
THEY SENT IN THE SUPERS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhXvRv2Q7nQ
>>13686858
00M-9 BEST DROID
>>13686865
>>13686830
Hosnian Prime.
>>13686868
>>13686870
So it's not supposed to be Coruscant?
>>13686858
>Force-speed.
I never noticed that.
>>13686880
A bit miffed that TFA didn't have any awesome huge ground battles. It's been 15 years and we're back to five people running around in New Zealand shutting down a shield generator.
>>13686897
Who is your favorite Clone Trooper, /m/?
>>13686905
>>13686910
Obligatory
>>13686913
remove genosians
>>13686880
Nope.
>>13686918
EXECUTE ORDER 66
>>13686922
Sheev did nothing wrong.
>>13686919
Good, I hope it comes back. I loved the crazy Blade Runner look it had in AOTC.
>>13686932
>>13686897
I'm more miffed the major snubfighter battle was just a dozen X-Wings versus a few dozen TIEs and not hundreds of the fuckers given that it took place over a huge battle station that should be able to house at least few hundred, if thousand TIEs.
>>13686946
Again, Jar Jar loves a New Hope so much that he remade it.
ALSO, ONLY X-WINGS BECAUSE MUCH NOSTALGIA GOGGLES.
>>13686949
>IT AIN'T ME starts playing
>>13686958
>the tie tank came back.
>>13686964
Just about running out of webums
>>13686958
>>13686964
The atmosphere in those episodes was great. Clone Wars had some great shit when they were left off the leash. I like Rebels, but it's really had not nothing on that level yet for me. I just love how big and involved it made the war seem by it's format more than anything though I think. Got any webms of Pong Krell fighting the clones? Him lighting up like 4 separate lightsabers was cool.
>>13686979
Got you covered, nervod
>>13686971
Anakin! Still slaughtering younglings, I see!
>>13686995
Every man needs a hobby!
>>13686539
>especially given the shit dialogue he was forced to speak.
"Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our speciality." Ugh...
>>13686584
>I hope he comes back to take down Finn for good
Uh, sorry to burst your bubble, but...
>>13687008
Star Wars was never not cheesy, though. And Lucas apparently asked Kasdan to work on the script but couldn't get him to do it.
>>13687018
>Star Wars was never not cheesy, though.
True, but there are moments for cheesy dialogue, and that one wasn't.
>>13687016
Phasma got tossed into a trash compacter and then the entire base exploded. Why can't he come back? We never saw the body.
>>13687026
>he
>>13687050
>he
as in TR8T0R
Darth Maul got chopped into two and came back as a cyborg. TR8T0R is definitely alive.
>>13687026
>Why can't he come back?
Because we saw his lifeless corpse fall dead.
>>13687053
Darth Maul used the Force to hate himself to undeath.
>>13687053
TR-8R isn't even a particular person and I like it that way. He was just a trooper that believed in his shit and wanted to fight and any trooper can be that trooper. Han shot the one we had and he died. That's fine. There can be other cool troopers doing other cool stuff in the rest of the movies. It doesn't always need to be the same guy, because I'd prefer the Order have multiple cool troopers doing cool stuff than one cool trooper who keeps coming back to do cool stuff in increasingly contrived ways.
>>13687053
Darth Maul surviving isn't cannon anymore
>>13687055
No, he got hit by the bowcaster and fell down. He didn't get chopped into two or fall into a huge pit.
>>13687058
So? TR8T0R comes back as a cyborg full of righteous fury against Rebel scum.
>>13687069
TCW and Son of Dathomir is canon, you dingus.
Sheev still has him in a box somewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8uXBdCIsrU
>>13687074
Yeah, he got hit by the bowcaster. The gun hyped the entire movie as the most Imp-wrecking shit that there is.
Should every other Stormie pegged by the bowcaster have just gotten up and dusted themselves off after lying still convincingly?
>>13687069
Then how do you explain his appearance in Clone Wars, which is canon?
>we could of had good prequels with a good smart,fast villain with a real revenge story
>lucas turned him into a moron
>now
>we get a sith with fucking daddy and gandfather problems for no reason.
Only thing that was fucking good was
>>13686576
>you notice that Phasma was someone who was meant to be a bobba fett, this guy became bobba fett.
>>13687084
Finn got stabbed by a light saber repeatedly and looked like he was dead, but he's coming back
>>13687069
Nigger he has his own fucking arc in Clone Wars
>>13687068
If there's one thing I have high hopes for with the sequel trilogy, it's the characterization of the troopers.
Well, characterization might not be the right word to use, but the little quirks to how they acted in TFA lent a sense of human charm to them that before seemed exclusive only to the main cast.
The one I'm thinking of isn't even TR8R or the NOPE Troopers, but the one who died in Finn's arms at the beginning. No dialog, just a simple blood smearing on Finn's helmet, and already that stormie struck me as just your everyday rookie with some shitty luck rather than a faceless mask with a gun. Someone who could elicit even a mote of emotional reaction, even as the rest of the stormies are warcriming it up stormie style.
>>13687092
Yeah, I know. I saw the film too, and the only major injury he sustained aside from that crossguard mauling was that cut across his back. He wasn't run through or anything of the sort. Or shot dead by a bowcaster.
>>13687055
bobba fett looked like he died, he didn't and is now getting a movie.
this guy is becoming popular unlike Phasma who did nothing. I could see him coming back.
I think movie wise hes the only stromtrooper we ever saw THAT fucking skilled.
>>13687110
Well, one, that film was announced almost three years ago and has seemingly gone nowhere. Two, Boba never survived, because his survival is no longer canon. So there's that.
>>13687123
He is canon, he actually is one of the only things that Disney made canon.
>>13687110
>Fett getting a movie
explain?
>>13687129
Disney is making a bobba fett movie.
>>13687123
I think you are living under a rock because Disney IS MAKING a fucking bobba fett movie.
>>13687135
Yeah, so? Assuming it ever gets made, it's some random shit set between ESB and ROTJ, not some confirmation of his survival.
>>13687123
>Two, Boba never survived, because his survival is no longer canon. So there's that.
Copaani mirshmure'cye, vod?
>>13687089
Grievous was meant to be a failed Vader prototype though
>>13685956
The ironic part is that people thought Episode I was good when it first came out, too. It wasn't until the hype subsided and picked it apart that people started to see how bad it really was.
>>13685956
I just came back from watching it. And honestly, I can see where that opinion comes from.
They tried too hard to pander to the nerd crowd after the prequels's reputation, and ended up pretty much remaking A New Hope. The prequels might have been lame but they were definitely more original.
Now with that said, I still liked it much better than the prequels. Aside from unoriginality, thinking Finn would have probably made a better MC than femLuke over there, and a bunch more problems. Like instant Force mastery, of course, and Ren. Ren is hilariously lame. Imagine if Vader removed his helmet halfway through the movie and Hayden Christensen's Anakin was under it, that's basically him. At least he's a lot easier to tolerate when he's not the protagonist.
>>13687772
Except you're wrong, TFA was fucking great despite taking plot ideas from VI/V/IV
>ended up pretty much remaking A New Hope.
Which is fine for the new age audience, they HAD to play it safe
I thought the scavenger camp picking pieces out of that wrecked star destroyer and whatever else happened to crash there was kind of interesting. Maybe because it wasn't any more force wanking, closest thing to it that I remember was mary sue putting on that rebel pilot helmet.
>>13686519
Those are so far back into the past it doesn't really matter if they're canon or not. That was the point of the old republic era. So the writers can make shit without having to worry about it being canon.
>>13686545
You remember TRAITOR? That was supposed to be her but they changed it at the last minute.
>>13687870
> 20, 000 years or more ago technology and society was functionally identical but the sides had different names so we can do whatever we want and it doesn't affect anything
> it just makes the setting look incredibly stale and stupid because everything remained identical for 20, 000 years or so for no fucking reason
Some of the stories there are good but it's fucking retarded if you think about it for even a second.
>>13686830
You know I'm sure there some book or something that says that. But I do wonder if they'll go with what the book says in Ep. VIII or if they'll say something different. I mean the books have never really been hard canon when it comes to Star Wars.
I mean isn't there a book that says C3PO's red arm is the memento of a spy droid that sacrificed their self and he has a hard time talking about it. And then in the movie all he says is that he has to get it replaced and doesn't really show any emotional attachment to it?
>>13687110
>bobba fett looked like he died, he didn't and is now getting a movie.
The movie would be something set between or before ESB you realize right?
>>13687110
>yfw the movie is about him as a kid just riding around with jango
>all the cool shit jango does is off screen
>>13685956
They also had plenty of droids and new ship and fighter designs.
>>13687903
>Some of the stories there are good but it's fucking retarded if you think about it for even a second.
Yes, that's Star Wars. Your point?
>>13687935
>>episode 2, again.
>>13687885
Wait is this for real, so then why.
why have a bobba fett like character (I actually thought it was gonna BE bobba fett) do nothing and instead be motherfucking crazy and give >>13686576
this guy the part.
really was it because nobody saw it coming? a stromtrooper putting in work with spins?
was it too show that lightsabers are old and shitty?
>>13687973
>why have a bobba fett like character (I actually thought it was gonna BE bobba fett) do nothingBecause she will reappear in the next movie.
Just like Hux.
None of the FO-villains were killed in TFA.
>>13687988
The only way she's coming back is if she shows up in the middle of the film, cuts off Finn's head with his own sword and then tosses it on Kylo' dinner table.
Because she went out like a chump
>>13687903
>> 20, 000 years or more ago technology and society was functionally identical but the sides had different names so we can do whatever we want and it doesn't affect anything
Becaue they're space fantasy. There's no real consideration of the technology other than lol lasers swords.
>>13688042
Didn't stop Boba Fett. Fett did cool stuff then died like a chump. She'll be treated like a chump and then do cool stuff to redeem herself, both in her own eyes and those of the audience. They could even build an arc out of that.
>>13688062
Fett didn't get mugged and lower the gate on the Death Star. Phasma literally lead to all of her soldiers dying horribly and her side losing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19VfdSIWif0
>>13688067
Yea, he did worse in a way. He was fighting a blind man (who didn't have the Force as an ally) and managed to lose. Despite wearing a shit load of armor and being packed to the gills with weapons. Including a good few range ones. And having the ability to fly.
And yes, she fucked up. So what? They can still do cool stuff with her and while you may not care enough to change your mind, the general audience will. You might even change your mind if that shit haunts her and she becomes a sympathetic villain who sees how badly she fucked up and makes an arc out of redeeming herself. I doubt it, since your only response and thought appears to be "she's a chump and betrayed, shit, shit, shit, shit", but you never know.
I hear Phasma was meant to do what TRAITOR did but lol fuck that lets make a badass meme.
I sadly thought Phasma was actually the real bobba fett, boy was I disappointed. thought fett and han would meet.
but in a sense traitor became a fett as in you have this random character that shouldn't have a name get popular.
>>13688084
>I sadly thought Phasma was actually the real bobba fett
When Phasma was confirmed as a woman long before the film even hit screens?
>>13688080
>>13688067
Phasma actually was nothing like Fett, she was treated like a fucking joke. Fett didnt have a name or a character, the fans made that shit happen. then it came to the point were fett lived (Disney said this is still canon) and got married , had a kid. oh and he fought Darth Vader at some point for a second .
>>13688097
I wasn't getting spoiled.
>>13688084
Fett always had a name and a personality. Traitor has none of that and I hope it stays that way. He has no name, no face, no identity number, nothing. I hope the next film doesn't specifically reference him and give him some of that and then have him be THE badass stormtrooper because I want more badass stormtroopers or TIE pilots not more of a singular named badass stormtrooper who gets all the badass moments while the rest just go back to being regular chumps.
>>13685956
Nah man space politics are dry as shit
Just give me a good old fashion adventure any day
>>13688080
>Yea, he did worse in a way. He was fighting a blind man (who didn't have the Force as an ally) and managed to lose. Despite wearing a shit load of armor and being packed to the gills with weapons. Including a good few range ones. And having the ability to fly.
You know, I'm not really casting blame, but I think submitting without resistance or any sort of plan and directly leading to the deaths of thousands of people - I don't expect anyone to be hung up over that, mind you, given the Empire's whole MO is 'we have reserves' - is a bit worse than getting kicked into a space Venus fly trap and apparently living to tell of it.
>>13688100
> Fett didn't have a name
> Han is calling his name constantly on the barge before he knocks him in to the Sarlacc
What? The fans gave him a backstory and presence, not a name. He was also treated as a joke in Jedi. He wasn't even particularly cool in Empire, since all he was was a cool delivery man.
>>13688109
Fett really didn't rewatch the movies, he only became popular because he looked like a different storm trooper.
But even though you say Traitor shouldn't be someone, he might end up being one because no normal person can just take on a lightsaber user. that guy trained with that thing.
>>13688114
I expect she might think it's worse as well, which is why I think they could build something interesting off it. They probably won't, since I doubt they'll even care about the deaths of Stormtroopers, but they'll certainly do something cool with her and that'll be enough for most of the audience.
>>13688122
>because no normal person can just take on a lightsaber user.
Well, really, bear in mind that as far as we know, Finn is not Force-sensitive and can't naturally intuit how to use a lightsaber. Traitortrooper may have been there to show that the Order has the tech to counter those sorts of weapons, but he was fighting a guy who had literally just picked up a lightsaber a few minutes ago.
Will finn get a purple lightsaber?
>>13688122
Fett had both. He didn't have much of a personality, but he had enough of one you could imagine what he was and build more yourself and that's really all that's important. I don't even mind Traitor having a presence in the EU, I just don't want him having one in the movies. Phasma might actually address the fact she lead to the death of her squad and much more in the EU too for that matter. It'll never happen in the EU, but the EU might do something with it now that I think of it.
>People thinking Phasma would be Bobba Fett
Why? He never showed any loyalty to the Empire like that. He was just some guy that was looking to get paid. I'm sure if the rebels were able to outbid the Empire he'd be working for them instead.
>>13688125
Well, really, you have to wonder what a redemptive arc would constitute for someone so devoted to the Order.
Destroy another star system, maybe?
>>13688133
Yeah but Traitor wasn't even trying either he was beating the shit out of finn.
He fucking trained to fight jedi by himself in a world were they dont really matter.
Also I know im getting into a "nerd fight" but how can finn even use a light saber with out the force? they even had to explain that general grievous had special tech in each arm to control the sabers.
>>13688150
Killing Luke Skywalker in a one on one duel. Or Leia I guess. That's less impressive for the audience though. Tracking down our heroes and destroying their base like Hoth perhaps?
>>13688141
people who didnt know the spoilers just thought MAYBE that was bobba fett in new armor, which would've been ten times better than the shit we got.
>>13688114
>the Empire's whole MO is 'we have reserves'
The First Order is not the Empire though, and they don't have reserves. All they have, since Starkiller base is blow up, is just one new Star Destroyer and a few that are decades old and out of date. Sure it would take a ton of people to man off of that, but with the base gone that'd be a serious hit to their number of Stormtroopers.This could lead to them looking into cloning after all.
>>13688135
I like you kid.
>>13688157
Well, at the end of the day the lightsaber is a weapon, and it can be used by anyone - look at Han. If only Force-sensitives could use them he wouldn't have been able to cut that tauntaun open in ESB. The Force only enhances the weapon's abilities.
>>13688170
There is no chance that is all they have, because Snoke is not going to be sitting on a base somewhere on his own playing with holograms. Snoke is going to be sitting in the middle of an armada and probably even an Empire that the Republic simply doesn't know about because it's small and out in the fringes of known space if not unknown space.
>>13688170
Well, I dunno, apparently they have entire armies and fleets milling about in the Unknown Regions and Snoke really didn't seem concerned about Starkiller Base turning into a lightbulb, but hey, that's my view of things.
>>13688162
Well hey, TFA cribbed from New Hope massively, maybe VIII will copy ESB just as often.
How can anyone like this film with such a weak (plot wise and in action) shitty villain? Darth vader wasn't seen as weak, he had a fucking reason to sound and wear shit. He felt strong right in the beginning.
This villain .. do you really want right from the get go a emo fucking kid with no fucking reason to do the things hes doin AND losing to a fucking shitty girl who never even fucking trained? How bad a villain can you be? So we have this to look forward too for the rest of the series?
>>13688157
>but how can finn even use a light saber with out the force? they even had to explain that general grievous had special tech in each arm to control the sabers.
Wasn't the whole "You need the force to use a lightsaber without injuring yourself" just some EU shit before Grievious was a thing? Then when he came around the EU tried to explain that "Oh it was special tech in his cybernetics that let him do that". There was never actually anything in the movies saying one way or another?
I think as long as you don't try to do anything fancy, like all the flips and lightsaber spinning in the prequels, you don't need the force or anything special to really use one. I've only seen the movie once but from what I remember if you gave Finn a saber resistant baseball bat I don't think he'd have to change anything about his moves with the saber.
>>13688182
No anyone can turn it on but what i meant was that people couldn't use them in a fight like finn, they would cut their arms off. that was the whole point that force users can control where the saber goes and why grievous was a death machine to jedi.
I fucking hate lucas for ruining grievous and his backstory which could of made him a serious villain in ep2. instead they forced him in ep3 as a fucking joke.
>>13688186
>>13688191
I completely forgot about Lord Voldermort. Still, my point was I don't think the First Order can have anywhere near the amount of reserves, resources, etc that the Galactic Empire had.
>>13688194
I like him as a villain because he's imperfect and the entire point is that he's imperfect. We're watching his transition to strength, which will continue in the second and third movies at the very least. He'll almost certainly be redeemed in the finale of the third movie, but he'll be building up and becoming stronger and more dangerous all the way up to that point and be genuinely so by the third more than likely. And I like that. It's Anakin's arc in 3 movies instead of six and done better already because he's not falling because of wuv but because of his own internal conflicts and problems.
>>13688200
Grievious was a "thing" before ep3. He was created from books and the EU to begin with I think based on the clone wars. Thats why he was around way before ep3, which as we know how lucas treated him and why people got mad at how a cool character was turned to shit.
>>13688209
Okay, loathe as I am to use fan-run wiki sites as resources.
>It was a weapon that required skill and training, and was greatly enhanced when used in conjunction with the Force.
'Greatly enhanced'. The page doesn't mention anything about non-sensitives not being able to use it, nor does it mention any possibility of them losing their extremities.
>>13688218
Um no hes far worse than Anakin, Anakin choose the dark side because he couldnt even love a person and have sex, which makes fucking sense.
luke made sure to never have that happen again.
This kid has no fucking reason, no fucking logic to his character.
say what you want about ep1-3 but it least it had a FUCKING reason.
>>13686564
I forget, what was the name of that lava planet Anakin and Obi-wan fought on?
>>13688242
>Anakin choose the dark side because he couldnt even love a person and have sex
...What?
Clearly he did the latter well enough.
He joined the dark side because he was frustrated with politicking and perceived governmental ineptitude and thinking that Obi-Wan was getting in his way, and because Palpatine hit the right buttons and yammered on at him about Plagueis and eternal life for loved ones and other things.
>>13686079
>The prequels had better world building than TFA.
No. The Prequels had a wider variety of planets to visit (too many for their own good, I'd argue. Particularly in Episode III, which seemed like it was trying to cram as many locations in as possible, even when less may have served it better), that's not the same thing as better world building. World building is something else, it has more to do with letting the audience feel like the place the characters are visiting is a real location, full of real people who do real things, not merely a set or painted backdrop. The original Star Wars did a great job at world building, particularly for Tatooine, but also for the universe as a whole. TFA did pretty welly in that regard with Jakku - it managed to feel even more bleak, barren and hopeless than Tatooine, which helps color Rey's circumstances. The Prequels, though, they don't really have that - outside of its frequent returns to Tatooine, its worlds, even verdant Naboo and bustling Coruscant, feel very empty and sterile.
>>13688256
No he joined the dark side because he couldn't have a fucking wife are you retarded that was the whole point.
>>13688242
No, we don't know his reasons yet but they're clearly internal ones and we definitely will get them because he referred to them specifically in the movie. We know, at the very least, that he's just an angry individual who has problems controlling his temper and who wants to fulfill some perceived legacy of Vaders. What? We don't know yet, but we'll probably find out in the next film and I'm okay with not knowing everything from the start. He also mentions feeling internal conflict and being torn apart by it to Han.
>>13688200
>you don't need the force or anything special to really use one
In the EU a number of non-Jedi have used lightsabers (Boba Fett being particularly notable). However, because of the fact that its blade has momentum but no mass, it's exceedingly difficult to control as duelists become more and more skilled.
It's also partially why lightsabers end up being used by force-sensitive individuals (and super-cybernetic beings) and not others: the benefits of being able to deflect blaster bolts, for instance, is useless if you can't sense where the bolts will be shot at.
>>13688242
>>13688277
>which makes fucking sense
No, Anakin fell to the dark side because he feared Padme's death and wanted to prevent it, something Palpatine offered (the whole point of bringing up Darth Plagueis). Remember whiny Anakin's monologue about "waaa, I'm going to be the strongest Jedi ever and even beat death" when he and Padme were on Tatooine in AoTC?
>he couldn't have a fucking wife
He married her in secret. There was no problem with that. A number of other Jedi at the time also had secret relationships.
We don't know exactly what caused the Knights of Ren to fuck up Luke's Academy, though Leia implies that Snoke tempted Kylo with the Dark Side as is their sort of thing
>>13688256
>>13688277
He joind the dark side because "lol dude I can keep your wife from dying like in that dream if you do." And then he went full retard and killed his wife because she didn't like that he slaughtered all those younglings.
Makes perfect sense to me.
>>13686949
god all of those designs
so sexy
>>13688277
wat
>>13688283
>>13688289
>>13688292
No out of all the reason the jedi not being able to have sex or a wife, and actually be able to love and have a child, is what drove Anakin.
Most people agree on this.
and luke actually fucked made sure to not put that in his fucking rules when he redid jedi shit. its why he had a fucking wife and a kid.
>>13688310
Shut up, George. Anakin showed not a single bit of interest in joining the sith before he was told he could save Padme from dying. Before that all he did was slaughter sand people and bump heads with Obi-wan over shit that didn't even really matter.
>>13685956
It didn't waste my time with an awful romance plot and amateur political hour, so I have to respectfully disagree.
>>13688310
Firstly, please learn to write in actual English. It would be helpful. Secondly, please learn to read dialogue.
The point of disallowing familial relations was precisely to teach younglings to let go, lest they become too attached. It's why Obi-wan was so concerned about Qui-gon teaching Anakin, and why Yoda at first dismisses Luke for training.
What is the first thing Anakin asks Palpatine after swearing his loyalty to the Dark Side? He asks him to help save Padme, whom he dreams of dying. It has absolutely nothing to do with his marriage.
>luke actually fucked made sure to not put that in his fucking rules when he redid jedi shit.
Firstly, most of this material first appeared long before the prequels so the connection between Anakin's fall was not the same. Secondly, ALL of those stories, including everything with Mara Jade, is non-canonical.
>>13686170
I guess that's sort of true if they really start trampling on the moral fabric of the OT. I'm worried that they'll forget about the importance of balance in the force and just turn it into good vs evil. The OT never talked about the "light" side, just not falling to the dark. If they forget about how Luke had to pull back so as to not give into anger and play into the Emperor's hands, I'll be disappointed. Rey was already angrily beating the crap out of Ren. Unicorn had an infantile understanding of Tomino's newtype philosophy, so I hope the same doesn't happen in this trilogy.
>>13688325
It's for the better that the OT didn't talk about it, given how Lucas has stated that the balance of the Force meant the eradication of evil, not a balance between good and evil.
>>13688162
>Killing Luke Skywalker in a one on one duel. Or Leia I guess.
You assume a lot to think that a faceless Stormie could do what Kylo did, and the latter has the virtue of being Han's kid.
>>13688325
>I'm worried that they'll forget about the importance of balance in the force and just turn it into good vs evil.
It's canon now that the natural state of the force is what we call the light side. "Balance" or whatever is just no dark side existing at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQsaG7Hz27o
Name one scene more thrilling in TFA.
I fucking dare you tumblrinas.
>>13688333
I don't assume she'll do any of that, only suggest it as possible ways that she could redeem herself in the eyes of Snoke and the First Order as well as the audience.
>>13688350
Well, really, I don't think killing Luke or Leia off would secure that redemption. Certainly not in the eyes of the audience, given the vitriol leveled at Kylo for doing what he did.
>>13688324
Its fucking bullshit and luke had a kid anyway so who gives a fuck.
The jedi were fucking worse than Christians and the point was that they couldn't love,have a child,and have sex. The whole dream thing makes no fucking sense anyway.
She died because in the end , it was the fucking rules the jedi had that killed her. He saw her dying because he ditched the jedi to have a wife.
The whole dream thing becomes not important after all this.
In the end it was the fucking shitty jedi rules and A LOT of jedi went to the dark side because of love.
Lets not even talk about why there is not a billion sith over like 3 jedi even with sith's "rule of 2" the sith would still have entire planets while the jedi would be the reverse because if the sith can have wives,sex,childern,etc they would have a whole planet or planets of froce users. but no the bad guys must have the fewer number because good vs evil/black vs white shit.
I saw it for the second time today. The only strong similarities to ANH are the setup with BB-8 having to get back to the Resistance and the Starkiller Base/Death Star. Outside of that, they are not structured similarly. I also counted the number of Ties that Poe shot down in the scene right by traitor trooper. It was TEN.
>>13688345
You know what, I'm not going to lie, as stupid and poorly put together as the prequels were, they were fantastic world-building venues. Would I watch a gritty behind-the-scenes-esque game of political maneuvering and backstabbing in the Galactic Senate pitting a union of agricultural haulers against farmers from the Outer Rim? You bet your ass. But making it central to a popcorn flick is probably not a great idea
>>13688345
>DELETED
>>13688353
Ren has much of that vitriol for doing it because he's Han's son, not just because he did it at all. Vader was built up by killing Obi-Wan and no one hated him for doing it after all.
>>13688340
>>13688332
I guess that shows how behind I am. It still felt weird to have them talk about the light side.
>>13688362
I'm fairly sure some did, quite frankly.
But either way, the reaction may still be the same regardless - X killed Y, they're a piece of shit who deserves comeuppance because they killed a piece of walking nostalgia.
>>13688355Bait or not, I'm going in! No one's really this illiterate, right?
>the point was that they couldn't... have sex
Yes, the Buddhist inspiration for monks is there. Anakin didn't follow the rules, got himself a wife, which then became, as his mother before him, an attachment to the material world that lead him astray.
>A LOT of jedi went to the dark side because of love
Actually, contemporaneous to Anakin's training I can think of... 2, maybe 3 trained Jedi who did so. The canonicity of them may or may not still hold, so we'll see.
>but no the bad guys must have the fewer number
Confirmed for not knowing shit about EU.
There were always many more users of the force in the Galaxy than there were Jedi or Sith. Some even had their own organized philosophies, like the Jensaarai or the Witches of Dathomir. I'm not even going to comment on the ignorance of the rest of the statement; go back and read 30 years of EU before making such ridiculous remarks.
>>13688332
The force should be neutral, perhaps even impossible to truly tame.
From my point of view force ghosts are an abuse of the light side.
>>13686105
Its funny because the two things in the Phantom menace were way better and more fantastical than the single forest you got in TFA
>>13686682
>The villains weren't just Nazi wannabees in episode one.
That would have been a step up, to be honest.
The villains were faux-Asian pencil pushers trying to play at war while Palpatine did the "Good goy..." routine off to the side.
Personally, I'd take the zealous Neo-Space Nazis. At least they're proactive.
>there are people out there that actually have basic plot and character points of the Star Wars movies go right over their heads
Well, I guess it comes with being ESL and underage.
>>13688359
Anakin's story was the real trashy part about it. At least you know the sides and what is at stake in the galaxy and the reason as to why the things are the way they are in Episode IV.
TFA drops you in and you're lost the entire time but HEY LOOK AT THOSE EXPLOSIONS and the 15 minute guide to Force Mastery.
>still quoting EU canon
>>13688446
>you're lost the entire time
I wasn't lost.
If you got confused by a movie for kids, you must be pretty stupid, my familia.
>>13688434
In all fairness, we technically had Coruscant on the books even before TPM thanks to the Special Edition of RotJ.
Which just leaves the Naboo.
...and not really seeing how that's THAT much more fantastical. In fact, some of it's kind of nonsense (lookin' at you, taking a shortcut through the core!)
>>13685956
I agree OP. I honestly thought that the prequels, episode 1 in particular, was way more interesting than Episode 7.I'm not kidding either. Episode 1 was a better movie.
>>13688446
>15 minute guide to Force Mastery
Luke Skywalker became a fully fledged Jedi Knight in less than a week. From getting his ass kicked from Vader to besting him in 1v1 combat in just a few days.
EU is un-canon, so don't try and quote a bunch of dumb comics and novels that apparently bridge this time. As it stands, no actual passage of time is actually stated.
Luke was fucking able to deflect lasers without even seeing them with a laser sword the first time he was even aware of being "Force Sensitive" and was able to blow up a giant battlestar death machine with a shot that he made without the use of his targeting computer. Even within a week of training, he was able to do those CRAZY FORCE JUMPS in that fight with Vader and retrieve and repair a piece of machinery that had been submerged in fucking swamp water for a week.
If people have serious issues with Rey, they aren't familiar with Star Wars and how fucking dumb and pointlessly overpowered characters are for no real reason.
>>13688475
RotJ is set one year after ESB.
>was able to blow up a giant battlestar death machine with a shot that he made without the use of his targeting computer
Yes, and?
The Force did merely boost his marksmanship.
In theory, any skilled and lucky pilot could do it.
At least the prequels didn't rehash the plot of the original trilogy
>>13688515
They DID, however, largely squander their first movie - with its contributions to the overall trilogy being minimal elements that were often later downplayed or outright ignored.
It's still not certain, but I suspect TFA will at least feel like it's doing more for its overall trilogy than TPM did for the prequels.
>>13688499
That wasn't luck, Han. That was the force.
>>13688475
>EU is un-canon
>un-canon
Aside from that, please pay attention. Disney made EU non-canon, and then proceeded almost immediately to recanonize a huge chunk of it. By implication, a fair amount of Dark Horse comics are canon again. Most of things that have been dropped are specifically plot points for EU following ROTJ so pre-ROTJ EU is, with some major exceptions, fairly intact. At least so far.
>Luke Skywalker became a fully fledged Jedi Knight in less than a week
It's been commented on, quite frequently, by super nerds such as ourselves, that because of the Falcon's blown hyperdrive motivator, it would have had to make the journey from the Asteroid Field to Bespin at very high relativistic speed rather than at super-luminal velocities. Now, physics being what it's worth in this universe (which is to say, not much at all), this would mean that perhaps as little time as a few days or a week may have passed for Han and company, whereas, due to relativity, perhaps weeks or months would have passed on Dagobah.
>>13688475
You thought a few days just passed for him to beat vader? Are you serious.
Most importantly of all him destroying a giant battlestar death machine more of had to do with him previously learning how to trust the force instead of his other senses. Something he learned in said other scene when trying to deflect lasers. This is called a character arc of course, something that Rey doesn't really have.
What Rey does have because of plot device and I suppose a minor backstory is the ability to repair anything so that BB8 can just look cute instead of being an astro-droid, including one of if not the most iconic ship in star wars of all time. The ability to translate any language including wookie despite her living only on jakku and having no accent like all the other people there. And finally the ability to close her eyes because some old woman who's not a jedi told her to and drop the primary antagonist of the film. Who had just shown despite getting shot to handidly disarm and drop finn and who right before her innate ability to learn how to use a lightsaber which is nothing close to a staff backed her up to a crevice in the ground. Oh and did I mention every character just liking her despite giving us nothing about her backstory or temperament aside from that she's a tough girl who takes care of herself and is somehow related to luke.
This is the problem with Rey, withstanding the fact that despite the entire point of the film (which is said in the beginning credits) is about finding luke skywalker. Yet somehow after finding the map that pretty much everyone died for including one of the most iconic characters in the franchise they just let the main character who has done all these great things and outclassed indoctrinated pilots without being saved by any silly man like wedge or solo go to meet him alone. Even his sister who just lost her husband, with his ship and r2d2 and chewbacca for whatever reason into what was a hidden part of the galaxy.
>>13688209
Anyone can use a saber in a fight, but it's really dangerous to do anything fancy with it because if you touch yourself with the blade it'll cut right through you. To make best use of a lightsaber you need to know exactly where the blade is and where it's going at all times, even if you're not looking at it. The Force gives Jedi the awareness of the blade to use it safely and the reflexes to use it for things like deflecting blaster bolts without preparation, while Grievous was able to do the same thing because as a cyborg he could have computers dedicated specifically to coordinating how he was holding each sword to make sure he'd never hit himself.
>>13688608
> Even his sister who just lost her husband, with his ship and r2d2 and chewbacca for whatever reason into what was a hidden part of the galaxy.
To be fair, Leia kind of has a lot on her plate as is given that the Republic's entire upper command structure and at least part of it's fleet just got wiped from existence by an enemy she more than likely suspects is still waiting in the wings with a lot more force to show yet. So her not going to visit Luke makes some sense. She presumably needs to try and take control of the remnants of that Republic or at least get it in to action for when said enemy appears and she will want to get on that shit fast. She'd also broken up with Han some time ago going by the film and seperation and distance probably makes it less painful than for Chewbacca. Rey is being sent there for obvious "train in the force" reasons and Chewie is along because it's essentially his ship that's taking her there.
I kind of agree.
They certainly were less imitative.
There were problems but tbhfam they didn't kill the prequels for me
>he still thinks Darth Bane was a well written character
>he is mad about EU being called out like the trash it is
>he likes Attack of the Clones more than Force Awakens
>>13688653
So basically leia is sad and so is chewbacca and that's why the movie ends on a story point which created pretty much all of the conflict (aside from the republic/first order part which is entirely glossed over for a retread of the death star just so that tie fighters and x-wings fight with zero of the emotional draw or build up) is left to one character so she can take the most iconic ship and then leave two primary characters behind so she can meet luke alone. Who's relationship we don't really have any confirmation on. While also doing this alone with no help from the resistance she just came from who spent tons of lives trying to get?
Now surely they need to rebuild of course, but do people seriously think this isn't some sue level fan-fiction variety. Honestly Rey felt like the self insert of someone who loved star wars so much they had to make sure they were the most pivotal part of the story while wanking all the nostalgia they could.
>>13688662
EU might not be great as a whole but aspects like the Thrawn trilogy outshine anything the films have done.
>>13688325
>Rey was already angrily beating the crap out of Ren
She wasn't. He was clearly the better swordsman. She was constantly being pushed back in the fight. Kylo wasn't trying to kill her and she was only able to overpower him during the moment when instead of attacking he offered her the ultimatum. If I recall she used the force to push him back and it was already shown that she was a extremely powerful force user.
>>13685956
I did like those designs and robots.
>>13688353
I'm pretty sure it's more because he committed patricide. Vader never did that.
I really wonder why Kyle Katarn never gets shit for being a Gary Stu.
>>13688715
Because he was in games with the greatest lightsaber combat known to man and not in a film you had to pay money to go stare at.
>>13687837
>they HAD to play it safe
Basically. The movie felt so by-the-numbers that it was never going to live up to the hype.
Another major problem is that TFA feels so incomplete as a story. It feels like it's relying heavily on what's going to happen in the sequels that it's pretty weak when it stands alone. ANH had that. And for fans of the OT, TPM can stand alone as a separate film, too.
>>13688715
Because he's did nothing memorable in the movies.
>>13688722
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Dark Forces 2 and Jedi Outcast lack the refinement of current action games.
The former being fucking borderline insulting with it's poorly designed lightsaber fights against bosses.
Still doesn't explain how a smuggler was able to defeat one of the most powerful Dark Jedi, and join the Great Jedi Council with nothing more than training from some disk given to him by his dad.
>>13688355
Anankin lost everything because he was afraid of loss. He lost his mother when he was a kid and then started to be possessive. Being possesive lead him down the Dark Side--- Yoda tells him this to his face.
The Jedi Order doesn't know how to deal with emotional attachments but they are so rigid in their rules they tell him to bottle that emotion. That leads to their downfall.
>>13688436
I liked the Trade Federation being woefully out of its depth. They're last people you expect to start an intergalactic war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtP5lSQgll8
>>13688715
He was a player character.
They are often Gary Stu-esque.
>>13688737
Lets not say downright retarded things anon, there's a reason people still duel in the multiplayer of that game and why I play it every year. Most importantly modern action games are pretty terrible to begin with and haven't past the holy trinity of DMC4/Bayo/NG for a while but that's an entirely different argument all together as I'm talking about lightsaber combat in general which pretty much has nothing but those god awful starkiller games.
Also the reason Kyle exists is because the first movies inspired so much love of the world that people wanted more of it. Video games have had shaky writing Star Wars games especially. The only thing TFA inspired was nostalgia wank without the character or charm to back it up.
>>13688787
>Also the reason Kyle exists is because the first movies inspired so much love of the world that people wanted more of it. Video games have had shaky writing Star Wars games especially. The only thing TFA inspired was nostalgia wank without the character or charm to back it up.
Also, he was created in a time no one gave a shit about video game stores and MUH LORE
Seriously, Dark Empire is the most retarded story ever and Lucas gave it to everyone as an example of fantastic EU fiction.
>>13688725
The story was incomplete because TFA didn't copy ANH story progression.
In ANH, the story went: We have the Death Star plans -> Heroes struggle to get the plans to Rebels -> Use plans to destroy Death Star
in TFA: We have the map to Skywalker's location -> Heroes struggle to get the map to the Resistance -> Use randomly acquired knowledge to destroy Starkiller base -> Use map to find Skywalker.
Destroying Starkiller Base felt out of place for me. Halfway through TFA I thought the climax would be a race between Resistance and First Order to get to Luke. What we got was fun, but it killed the momentum of the first half.
So how come the movie had no memorable tracks?
I just rewatched it and I can't remember a single original track.
>>13688715
I remember playing dark forces when it came out and I thought that it was cool that the player character was a badass special agent guy in a star wars universe and not a Jedi, then got upset when they turned him into a force user in DF2
>>13688876
I had a listen to the OST a few days after the movie, this movie did lack a track that really stood out, then again it's been some time but I don't remember tracks from 2 & 3, 1 had darth maul's theme
>>13688876
there was that piano bit that plays when Rey leaves the Star Destroyer after scavenging it and slides down the dunes. that had potential to be good when it began fading in but then it turned mediocre like the rest of the soundtrack.
My only problem is the movie felt too fomulaic and safe. Like it was made by committee. It reminded me far too much of the Marvel movies in that respect.
The prequels were...ok let's be blunt, they're terrible movies. But they're terrible movies in a facsinating way. They aren't made the way films have been understood to have been made in the last 70 years, and all the dialouge feels like it's written by someone that's autistic.
My point is, I'm gonna remember the prequels forever, for better or worse. TFA feels kinda forgettable now that the hype is gone.
>>13688841
Now that you mention it, it does seem kind of stupid. Amazing to think that the Starkiller thing was just a subplot.
>>13688900
I think by now everyone understood that it's formulaic because disney wanted it to be safe, and frankly it worked to bring in the cash, but it's really not a good excuse for the movie being a run of the mill action movie with star wars flavour to it instead of a self contained story like 4 was or a mostly self contained story like 1 was.
but at a billion dollar on the first weekend world wide this would only set a bad precedent for storytelling
I want giant robots powered by the force. Do we have that /m/?
>>13688954
no, you have a meatbag force puppet instead
>>13688954
Gundam?
>>13688901
Which is why the destruction of the New Republic and it's fleets felt underwhelming. Subplot base destroyed more than the first Death Star, but it had less emotional impact.
A newer hope was ok, cant wait for another empire strikes back then another jedi returns/return of another jedi
>>13688715
Kyle is totally a Stu, it's just that instead of bitching about it people are more inclined to ham it up about how unstoppable he is.
>>13688950
To be fair, TFA is part one of a planned trilogy from the getgo, rather than being a case of "standalone story followed by two-part sequel." Chalk up Episode 1 being standalone and largely irrelevant to the rest of the narrative to bad writing, but with Episode 7 I feel it might be disingenuous to nitpick it until we are shown the full picture, at which point we can clearly call out whether or not it fits into the three-part narrative nicely or not.
>>13688715
With games, EVERY mc is a self insert. That's kind of the point.
>>13688737
Kyle was a mercenary, not a smuggler.
>>13688892
It wasn't as good as the other films sountrack and definitely not John William's A Game. Though I liked Rey's theme, The Jedi Steps, I Can Fly Anything and The Starkiller.
Also how do you not remember music from 3? For me that one had like the best music. Especially these two two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rxgbnbgre4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qWGLgrD6MM
>>13688737
fuck you, Jedi Outcast is a fucking top tier game
