Is the mecha genre dying? if your show isn't named Gundam or Macross, it will sell like shit.
How can we make it popular toward the kids again?
The 10y/o kids who never saw a Star Wars movie were hyped for TFA, How Disney did it?
They could try to bring back the Brave franchise.
>>13671643
Merchandising and blatant lying.
Also, anime is more over saturated than the graphic design market in America. There are too many Japanese cartoons airing during one season.
Maybe mecha wouldn't be dying if they stopped producing shit.
Infinite Stratos 2 16904
Gundam Build Fighters 9351
Aldnoah Zero 8729
Senki Zesshou Symphogear G 8701
Gundam G no Reconquista 8612
Soukyuu no Fafner Exodus 8124
Mouretsu Pirates 7517
Aquarion EVOL 6540
Aldnoah Zero 2nd Season 6529
Crossange 6402
Kakumeiki Valvrave 6039
Muv Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse 5446
Gundam Build Fighters Try 4441
Kakumeiki Valvrave 2nd season 4309
Eureka Seven AO 4227
Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince 4056
To get it out of the way A/Z's two cour average is lower than G-Reco and Fafner's will probably be lower than that. One of the reason's MJP's average is so low is it was 8 fucking disks so I imagine the last volumes sold really bad.
>>13671650
The super robot is deader than ever, Daimidaler mixed well the mecha with ecchi to attract the youngs but only 1,881 BD were sold, I don't know about the plamo and other goods sales though.
>>13671665
The LN battle shonen is more repetitive than ever, yet it continues to sell and we have 3 LN adaptation of the same plot with different names every season.
The thing is that the average otaku (17> y/o) nips doesn''t care about the quality of the story at all, if the chara design is good he'll buy the figurine, if it has fujo or /u/ interaction, he/she'll buy the BD.
>>13671663
>Merchandising and blatant lying
Aniplex is good at this, what if they did the marketing for an actual good mecha.
Just saw that the Transformers game just released 2 months ago is already at half price on PS4, I don't even think there was a lot of mecha games released at that time. Even the video games market for mecha is dying.
Are the Japanese people becoming more and more stupid like the american's one? who only consume stupid products and reject an actual good written movie/series?
A 6/10 M3 sold 10 times less than the 3/10 at max A/Z, both of them had fujo pandering yet the former failed hard.
Maybe anime needs """"professional reviewer"""" saying which anime is good or not. It might boost the sales for the good anime.
But I don't think it would works for the toys/plamo, even less for the kids.
>>13671890
>G-rektard
Nothing to see here, folks.
>>13671890
>Are the Japanese people becoming more and more stupid like the american's one?
No, it's just that most things are forgettable, middle of the road, or absolute shit.
>>13671910
Every single anime made in the 80's was a masterpiece that appealed exclusively to my elite taste.
>>13671910
>No, it's just that most things are forgettable, middle of the road, or absolute shit.
Yet Gundam SEED sold over a million DVDs.
>>13671929
Really not much better then, either.
You can't attribute everything to audience idiocy - a lot of the time the shows just aren't good. Was the case then, is the case now.
>>13671935
Touche.
>>13671935
Zeta Gundam was popular for some reason, too.
What's your point?
>>13671890
Transformers Devastation was basically a budget game to start with, I think everyone is a bit baffled why it launched at full price. Of course the answer is because Transformers fans like me would buy it at that price for a month or two. On the other hand ACV was one of the best selling games in the franchise despite being kind of crap and Border Break is in its 7th year of operation in arcades.
M3 was a very poor production overall, it looked like something a decade old and did nothing to draw in the audience. It may have ultimately been better written than Aldnoah but it really doesn't matter at that point, this is episodic animation not novels.
>>13671951
>for some reason,
>Being the sequel to the most influential and cultural hits of Japan
Don't be stupid. Zeta's success is obvious.
>>13671951
yawn
>>13671890
>The super robot is deader than ever, Daimidaler mixed well the mecha with ecchi to attract the youngs
2 things
1. We have had very few real super robot shows in a long time.
2. Daimdaler was for otaku, not kids
>>13671643
>The 10y/o kids who never saw a Star Wars movie were hyped for TFA, How Disney did it?
Their parents probably force-fed them the unaltered original trilogy like true parents would.
>>13671890
>The super robot is deader than ever
Always fun seeing this meme
>>13671890
Unicorn is the hightest selling OVA of all times
>>13672070
Disgusting
>>13671643
>How Disney did it?
Did you miss the part where it was advertised on everything from soup and toothpaste to oranges and coffee creamer?
I have bananas where the Chiquita lady has been replaced by fucking Yoda.
Shows for kids in general are dying, and it's pretty obvious why: there just aren't as many kids in japan anymore. So at this point, the only shows made for kids are the ones that they KNOW work regardless of what the tastes of kids are, namely stuff adapted from thw Weekly Jump.
When's the last time robots were a big hit with kids? I mean didn't even GaoGaiGar fail with kids and it was the older audience that liked it (thus we got all the uncharacteristically adult elements in FINAL)?
>>13671643
Anime in general is in the midst of stablizing due to there being so many shows produced per season and the advent rise of commercialism being the benefactor of purchases its to the point where all top sellers from each season have event ticket offers embedded or are from established popular properties. Also if you follow what's the current trend with kids in Japan mecha is low on their radar so if it seems this decade is lower than average for this genre its because of that, of course you can also say that none of the mecha offerings had the same sort of boom as those of the previous era but if something like Gundam SEED Destiny can average 69k per 12-volumes than you know something is wrong when IBO is struggling to get 10k for its first volume. Aniplex has been trying to recapture the same glory Bandai did with the triple triad of SEED, 00 and Code Geass but its not reaching the same success infact Gurren Lagann is still their top selling mecha anime going on 9 years come next April with a 20k average and they didn't need an event ticket offer either.
Despite the lower output this decade still managed to pop out some surprises; Fafner Exodus managed to prove it a had a loyal following and its sales were actually an improvement from the first season which premiered a decade ago, G-Reco managed to be Tomino's biggest TV hit since ZZ, GBF was a surprise hit that gave Gunpla sales the boost it needed, Symphogear went from being dead on arrival to Satelight's biggest franchise after Macross within 3 years, and the rise of OVAs being a profitable market again though not nearly as prolific, so not a total bust butvits interesting to see how much the market has changed from a decade ago and with Macross Delta set to air sometime next year will it be interesting to see how Bandai will market it.
>>13671643
>The 10y/o kids who never saw a Star Wars movie were hyped for TFA, How Disney did it?
Hilarious enough is that Yokai Watch the movie beat the TFA in audience numbers in Japan and the reason why it got top of the box office is because it opened a day early.
>>13672074
It's the truth actually
>>13672161
Star Wars cartoons have been airing for years now
>>13672190
>G-Reco managed to be Tomino's biggest TV hit since ZZ
Did Nips actually like it?Good taste.
>>13672050
>2. Daimdaler was for otaku, not kids
How much mecha is even being made for kids anymore? I think that's part of the problem.
>>13672170
>When's the last time robots were a big hit with kids? I mean didn't even GaoGaiGar fail with kids and it was the older audience that liked it (thus we got all the uncharacteristically adult elements in FINAL)?
Yup. Flopped with kids, otaku loved it. Braves series was cancelled, Fukuda revamped Saint of Braves Baan Gaan into Gear Fighter Dendoh, and they went on to make an OVA for a show kids didn't really like.
>>13672190
It's also worth noting at the time, Gunota considered SEED to be childish.
And wow, G-Reco was Tomino's biggest hit since ZZ? You never really hear that being brought up, just how ANN says it was a massive failure.
>>13672271
I've heard some kids liked it and sent notes into Tomino. Urobuchi and some critic praised it as well. Gunpla seems to be doing well too while it's home media sales are, while not strong for Gundam, strong enough to beat out shows like Cross Ange, GBF Try and Aldnoah Zero.
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But then you have Otaking ragging on the show, angry otaku complaining it doesn't make sense while sending Tomino messages saying shit like "Die Bald-head, die."
So, it's about the same as here.
>>13672287
>Fukuda revamped Saint of Braves Baan Gaan into Gear Fighter Dendoh
Speaking of, it seems like with SR-type shows Fukuda tries to make shows that his kid would've wanted to watch. Which is nothing else, gives some perspective in nothing what kids want when you have ones of your own.
Actually, I think that's a big part of this. How many people who try to make mech shows to apply kids, have children themselves? If you don't, how much of a finger do you have on the pulse of what they like?
>>13672310
I think it probably would have outsold GBF if Try hadn't split sales.
>>13672320
>perspective in nothing
In knowing*
>>13672287
>>How much mecha is even being made for kids anymore?
G-reco was for the kids
You gotta appeal to both kids and adults in some way. It's like Walt Disney said
"You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway."
>>13672287
>How much mecha is even being made for kids anymore? I think that's part of the problem.
Practically nothing. I honestly can't remember any that's more recent than Gyrozetter, and that one bombed hard.
>>13671643
>if your show isn't named Gundam or Macross, it will sell like shit.
>The 10y/o kids who never saw a Star Wars movie were hyped for TFA
Every year I realize that more and more, mecha fans like us have become Abe Simpson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0wTtiJygY
>>13672271
It was well liked amongst mecha circles and general gunota but disliked among casuals it dose hold a three and a half star rating in Amazon which in comparison to AGE's one and a half star rating they don't hate it at all.
>>13672287
When you consider everything he's done after CCA has flopped or have become infamous and is only really appreciated by his diehard fans over there its a significant success considering Bandai had no faith in it.
Well Oricon's top selling anime of the tear overall has it listed at #22 so it'll be hard to deny that.
>>13672271
Really they just hated everything he made from ZZ to G-Reco.
In fact that's something that surprises me. Tomino's shows never do well, aside from Gundam (and even Gundam was doing horrible at first), yet he keeps getting hired. G-Reco is the only decently successful project he's done in literal decades, and it has the Gundam brand to thank for it.
>>13671643
What if we brought back King Golion?
>>13672358
NO WAY MAN, we're gonna keep on rocking forever!
Forever!
Forever...
forever...;_;It's been almost 5 years since the movie already
>>13672350
Well, there was Build Fighters but that pandered to gunota at the same time.
>>13672369
>Really they just hated everything he made from ZZ to G-Reco.
Turn A and OKG have cult followings and are both well recieved, won't argue with you about Victory, Brain Powered and Wings of Rean since even those are split amongst his fans and he downright hates the former two.
>>13672369
Turn A and Overman King Gainer were well recieved in Japan even if they didn't do well and even shit like Victory and Brian Powerd have hardcore followers if I recall a list of all time most moving robot anime scenes that was voted on the 2ch robage board had scenes from BP and Victory in high spots (Reinforce Last Stand at #2).
>>13671643
well we can forget they ever made aqaurion logos.
>>13672522
Wouldn't be too hard to forget something so unremarkable.
>>13671643
that much squint is clearly mao
Just out of curiosity, what are they saying about IBO in Japan right now? And how's it doing with children?
>>13672655
Ratings are piss poor for the timeslot its on. The most discussion its garnered is the Atra QUALITY meme.
>>13672287
>How much is made for kids
Man, having two brothers at age 10 and 16 really helps with
>>13672320 knowing what they want, but both of them aren't really into anime. More so they're both tf2 and csgo players, and all they watch is a mixture of doctor who, walking dead and breaking bad. I tried to introduce the older one to big o but he didn't respond well to it. Hope my perspective helped.
>>13672850
My age 10 brother just saw the MSG trilogy over three days with me last week. He enjoyed it and was moved by several scenes, even though he admitted to not "getting" certain parts (particularly the Newtype scenes with Lalah). I'd chalk it up to action scenes and MSG having very expressive animation.
Funny enough, my age 13 sister has no interest in mecha beyond Eva and Gurren Lagann, but has fun building model kits. She built my brother's HG Wing Zero behind his back lol.
>>13671643
Marketing, it's ALL about marketing, ask yourself why japanese kids are into yokai watch, if you don;t know what it is look it up and wonder how the hell did that shit became popular.
>>13672896
>ask yourself why japanese kids are into yokai watch
because it's basically a mobile game that also cashes in on the pokemon formula.
That being said, the popularity of YW is already dying down and pokemon will be king again. That's not surprising though, the whole point of pokemon is that each game is the next generation's first pokemon game, it's intentional.
sad thing about mecha anime is, or any anime for that matter is that it could be popular as fuck outside japan but if it isn't popular in Japan you wouldn't see a second season of it.
>>13672922
It's going to be sad explaining this to people when they start asking about IBO season 2.
>>13672884
>MSG trilogy
0079, Zeta, ZZ?
>>13672884
Fuck that sounds cool. I try and get my brother to play some games with me like I've been suggesting we both play Overwatch but he never really goes away from what he's used to. He DOES like xcom alot so maybe something like it would work, but it's hard to tell. He didn't have alot of interest in gurren laggan when I was watching it either.
>>13672840
What about Build Fighters? Is the first series considered good, and what was the reaction to Try?
>>13672928
Sorry, I meant the MSG movie trilogy.
>>13672937
That sucks. I have a hard time introducing new or different things to my siblings too. Our only common interest is anime, but I'm 26 so that only goes so far.
>>13672957
GBF had a pretty good reception both online and in actual viewrship which is why they rushed to release Try, which as you'd imagine performed much worse than GBF.
>>13672957
Let's just say that /m/ practically imploded on Try when it tried to sell to kids instead of S1's Gunota pandering. Bbesides the technical problems, I always contend that Try was basically most of the Japanese cultral/writing cliches that /m/ hates blended into 25 episodes
>>13672937
You could try showing them VOTOMS, mentioning offhand that there's an arc based on 'Nam.
>>13672974
>based on vietnam
What exactly would this accomplish? They aren't /k/ they just like fps alot. Maybe next week when I have time off I'll try and show him some more anime since we're on vacation atm.
>>13671643
Trends are a thing anon
you should probably learn about them
>>13671650
Braves aren't around because Transformers are, and they're selling ok apparently. If Transformers died, they might consider it.
>>13672369
Not... really. I mean, no one is ever going to praise Wings of Rean, because that one is just outright bad (all those pacing issues Tomino has exacerbated by it only being 6 episodes!), but BP has some following, Victory has some as well, Turn A and OKG are considered pretty ok, CCA is still pretty well liked, most like F91 as far as I know, and... uh, did he work on anything else in that time period? Swear I'm forgetting something.
>>13673267
The glorious masterpiece known as Garzey's Wing
>>13672840
To be fair it's a fun meme.
>>13672369
>tfw Victory will only ever be remembered by 100 ver Ka kits of the Victory and maybe the V2
I can only hope that one day we get a Gundam Breaker 3 that has every kit ever conceived. Otherwise Late UC is basically gone for good.
>>13671885
The fact that you listed shows that sold 4k like if that was good shows how pathetic mecha genres is today.
Same with shoving mecha musume and space series with no real mecha in there.
>>13671890
>The LN battle shonen is more repetitive than ever, yet it continues to sell
Wait, wait, what?
LN battle shonen selling? 99% of them sell like complete shit. The last one that sold really good was IS in 2011.
>>13672268
And they are really unpopular. Like REALLY unpopular.
>>13674260
Like the second Clone Wars, which was so terribly unpopular that it lasted for years.
>>13674256
>The fact that you listed shows that sold 4k like if that was good
I didn't really, it was just for comparison (I was originally going to cut off at Try) and I wasn't going to look far enough down to find Argevollen and Buddy Complex.
>mecha selling well doesn't count if it's not Gundam
Well okay go fuck yourself cunt.
>>13674258
>Sword Art Online
>Overlord
>Fate/Zero
>Mahouka Rettosei
But yes most of them sell like absolute butt and the school tournament shows rarely do well.
>>13672190
Symphogear isn't mecha
>>13671643
>Star Wars movie were hyped for TFA, How Disney did it?
Murrican actors. They love Marvel
>>13674265
While having shit ratings.
>>13674274
F/Z was years ago and was riding on a very popular franchise. Everything else you listed sold good, but not spectacular in any way.
>>13674330
Yeah 35,000 average for a 2 cour series is just so mediocre, why did Dengeki Bunko even bother
Fate/Stay Night is a fucking battle shounen too, it's just technically disqualified by being a VN, even though its readership almost certainly are more interested in LNs than VNs.
>>13674340
He said Fate/Zero, not Fate/Stay Night.
Fate/Zero is based on an LN and also shit.
Mecha died in the 80s.
>>13674347
>Fate/Zero
>a battle shounen LN
>>13674330
>was riding on a very popular franchise
>a battle shounen franchise
Cause (like a lot of anime) instead of making a fun show for kids they make some generic show and add colour coded waifus for 30 year olds to go mad about and have the same set of cliches they like
TFA was just a fun dumb space movie, of course kids could get into it
>>13674330
>Mahouka Rettosei
12k for a 26ep anime that aired in the same season as Love Live S2 who did 100k, Haikyuu who did 24k and GochiUSA 11k.
The anime wasn't even good.
It's seriously a miracle.
>>13671643
Define "dying" There was like what 4-5 /m/ shows this season despite poor sales people are still making them
所詮クズが作るゴミ、住人を見ろ
>>13674350
F/Zfags don't like F/SN.
F/SNfags don't like F/Z.
Basically Gunpla has cornered the remaining robot merchandising market and without Gunpla or a lot of music money you aren't making much of anything with the production values to be a predictable high seller.
I don't know what the RD vs. Gunpla and Gundam vs. non-Gundam RD sales numbers look like but Bandai's lack of proper plamo lines for other anime must mean something.
A/Z isn't a good show but it made an impact with the PR push, dramatic first episode, "epic" OST, etc. If you weren't distracted by how fucking retarded it was it would have seemed pretty impressive.
>>13674405
So you're saying Fate/Zero was a runaway success on its own merit alone then.
>taking /a/ trolls and autists as representative of the market
Reasonably Fate/Zero has been the start of a huge new surge in their fanbase that is now buying UBW and Grand Order but the circumstances that allowed Fate/Zero to be what it was relate to the previous success of the franchise.
If it's good and it LOOKS good, it will sell.
Most recent mecha we have are either mediocre or bad. Star Wars sells because hollywood and it's fucking Star Wars, who doesn't know Star Wars?
>>13674447
>and it's fucking Star Wars, who doesn't know Star Wars?
Yeah, about that.
>>13674496
...Go on?
>>13674447
>If it's good and it LOOKS good, it will sell.
oh how I wish this was true, many times a genuinely good product doesn't sell well because it lacks exposure/marketing, it's one thing to not be the top selling thing it's another to be relatively unheard of.
>>13674496
just because it lost to the yokai watch movie in ticket sales in Japan doesn't mean it tanked, it still did pretty damn well.
>>13674260
>And they are really unpopular. Like REALLY unpopular.
What? In what world was TCW unpopular? There's an entire generation that grew up on TCW and it was only cancelled because of Disney
>>13674496
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-12-21/yo-kai-watch-tops-star-wars-in-attendance-but-not-at-japanese-box-office/.96777
More attendance. Less box office. Only because it was open one day earlier
>>13674428
>but it made an impact
Not really, it just showed how far stupid people will follow a popular writer since there was nothing impressive about its setup that wasn't in a mecha anime before. Hell Gargantia was the same deal only it didn't have Aniplex PR bullshit to hype it.
>>13671643
>Is the mecha genre dying?
As long we have those realism fags in west who want every piece of science fiction to become a university physics lecture as hard sci-fi failed to contain their boner , mecha will never become world famous.
>>13674615
Also, TFA has more expensive tickets for being shown on IMAX
>>13671643
Because mecha shows should have a naruto-class mc and naruto-tier plot, very simple, with clear good and evil characters.
>>13675193
So make them more like 08th MS Team and Unicorn?
>>13675198
Yes.
>>13675198
Unicorn MC was autist and naruto had more personality of a kid, that was very close to target audience.
Not sure how profitable GBF and Try used to be...
>>13674553
>many times a genuinely good product doesn't sell well
Well actually, just cause it looks good to you or mecha fans in general doesn't mean it looks good to everyone else
Like King Gainer is a great funny unique design, show that to a normal person and they'll say "what is that weird rasta alien?" Normies are boring and hate odd
>>13675257
Yes, normies like 8-bit plot and generic designs
>>13675257
I've never met anyone who didn't think King Gainer looked cool.
>>13675385
I met so many persons, who say mecha is shit just because, and even a person, who says anime is shit just because. All of them never watched any and never wanted to try.
>>13672372
How about Dairugger instead
>>13671643
By not having shit writers.
>>13675399
>who says anime is shit just because.
Well, really, it's not like there's a great deal worth watching now, honestly.
>>13675865Watch One Punch Man.
>>13675868
More overrated seasonal flotsam? No thanks.
>>13675890
More meaningless buzzwords? No thanks.
>>13672922
Well there was the Big O, but that's it.
>>13675896
How are any of those buzzwords?
If experience has taught me anything, it's that if an anime receives exorbitant amounts of hype for lord knows what reason, it's really either mediocre or a heaping mound of shit. Like AoT, as a recent example.
>>13672522
I will never forget
