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Anno, you crazy bastard.
>>13604525
Jesus Christ those teeth. That eye. That's some seriously unsettling look they're going for.
>>13604552
wait until you see Rodan, the best kaiju of all time. ALL TIME.
mfw
>>13604525
Oh shit.
Okay I'm hyped. They managed to make that big goofy fat fuck look scary without thoroughly changing his design.
>tfw you stare into the abyss and it stares back even harder
>>13604525
>>13604525
>>13604754
Is this supposed to scare me or make me laugh? Because it's doing plenty of the latter.
>>13604525
That face it screams VIOLATE
>>13604525
He's finally living the dream.
I'm hype for this. And for the new Gamera movie next year.
...Could the ultimate battle happen? And when they're inevitably interrupted, who would be a worthy foe for the teamup of the King of Monsters and the Guardian of Humanity?
>>13604525
He did it, the absolute madman
>>13604525
>>13604754
>"Tonight... YOU"
>>13604752
>tfw you stare into the abyss and it eats your home city
>>13604767
>>13604892
too much kek
quick /m/ who's you're favorite kaiju
>>13604946
Gorgo
>>13604946
Gigan
>>13604946
Old 'Ziller himself
>>13604946
Ghidorah
>>13604946Gamera
>>13604946
The Nine-Headed Super-Naga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=192nSuo_FMM
>>13605015
>that 54's roar
>>13605018
Only the best roar.
>>13605026
Best theme too.
Looks awful, hopefully it's just due to where the eye is looking
>>13605015
>shaky cam
why?
>>13605072
Because it's a teaser and they probably don't have any actual finished footage yet.
>>13604946
Mothera.
Does it have the original Godzilla theme
This is important
The one that was ripped off for that stupid "Requiem for a Dream" music
>>13604946
anguirus
>>13605015
Noice
>>13605015
looks like it was recorded on a go pro, or some guy running around with his selfie stick.
For shame /m/. The design looks genuinely retarded.
>>13604946
Either Kiryu or Late-Heisei Godzilla.
>yfw it's a found footage movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq6RJlLgOEo
>>13604892
Children version
>>13605137
It's right up your alley then eh anon
What's this about anno being involved?
>>13605143
with the way godzilla is designed?
i'm perfectly okay with that
>>13605183
Anno is writing it. Guy who did special effects for the '90s Gamera movies and the Attack on Titan live action movie is in charge of effects.
I can't see it being anything but decent to incredible.
Oh shit. He looks creepy as fuck. I wonder who else we'll see in the movie.
>>13604525
This is fucking great holy shit.
I was worrid about the design, but fuck, it looks horrifying
>>13604552
>unsettling
Not the word I'd use.
>>13604525
I've seen that head before.
>no one wants to talk about the Earth Defense Widow, where a woman gets horny infront of the monster, strips, makes the monster pop a boner and kills him
>>13605299
>I wonder who else we'll see in the movie.
Ultra Anno, of course
>>13605075
>yfw the entire film is shaky cam found footage
>Godzilla appears on screen for less than two minutes
>90% of his appearances are feet or tail
>primary story focus is on trying to save this random woman who the MC is totally crushing on after having seen her on a train that morning
>the military doesn't even try to stop Zilla, he just knocks over a few power lines and eventually leaves
>>13605686
Oh, like Cloverfield?
>>13605686
That sounds too much like Cloverfield and I bet Anno hate it because he's a nationalistic with a nostalgia for the Japanese empire and Cloverfield is a very shitty Godzilla's rip-off.
>>13605686
>>Godzilla appears on screen for less than two minutes
So like the 2014 Godzilla? Oh boy, I hope we get more dull close-ups on human characters who emote absolutely nothing, and who we don't care about at all, instead of seeing any monster fights. That was great.
>>13605689
Never saw it, but heard it was terrible, so let's go with that.
>>13605696
BAH GAWD I LOVE BEING IN THE HEROIC NAVY
I HAVE TO GET BACK TO MY WIFE AND KID
IT'S THE NAVY'S DUTY TO SAVE THE PEOPLE
GOD BLESS THE NAVY GOD BLESS GOD BLESS GOD BLESS
>>13605696
so godzilla movies in general?
>>13605701
Marines don't like admitting they're still part of the Navy.
>>13605702
Godzilla movies in general have drama between the human characters. Emotion and conflict. There's none of that in the 2014 Godzilla, just a lot of closeup of people looking worried, or just starring blankly at nothing, expressing nothing.
>>13605711
Were they all Marines? That's even worse.
>>13605072
I seriously doubt the movie itself will be shaky cam the entire time.
>>13605713
Human drama is too complicated for the audience, or at least that's what Hollywood execs actually believe
>>13605183
He's co-directing with Shinji Higuchi
>>13605679
I'm sorry, what?
>>13605679
I take issue with someone claiming Mitsu Dan did JAV in the last thread. Far as I know she never did full-on JAV. Just hard gravure stuff.
I wouldn't mind being proven wrong though.
>>13605697
I thought cloverfield was good.
>>13605686
Those are almost all hollywood tropes. It ain't gonna fly in my Nippon films
>>13605725
Look it up on Youtube. Earth Defense Widow.
>>13605721
The thing is, the movie was clearly meant to be about drama and focus on the feelings of the humans, but they forgot completely to add any kind of character arc or conflict, and the other interesting character played by a decent actor is killed off like halfway. And on top of that, they cast the dullest, most inexpressive man I've ever seen as the lead "hero". It was like looking at a dead fish trying half-assedly to act.
The Godzilla parts were great, but there was almost none of it, and I just felt annoyed and teased. I get what they were going for, but they failed.
>>13605738
Blandy McJarhead is never a good choice for your main character, no matter who's playing them.
>>13604525
I can't decide if this is silly or spooky. Spilly?
>>13605773
>Legendary making Kong v Godzilla
>Toho reviving Godzilla with it's horror roots with the evangelion director directing
FUCK YES
>>13604525
Obviously based on the Godzilla Raids Again suit. There were some shots of that suit, like when he first emerges from the water during the night attack where the crooked teeth and other bits of shoddy construction just made it look hideous, literally like something that Should Not Be. In a Lovecraftian sense.
I think I did something wrong.
>>13605812
You fool, you crossed the streams!
>>13605081
Shit taste senpai
>>13605807
This scene, for example.
>>13605828
Isn't that the hand puppet? The actual suit had the mega ears.
>>13604946
Hedorah. Honorable mentions to Ghidorah and Big G himself.
>>13605833
Might be, still terrifying to me.
>>13605879
He just needs to exercise more.
>>13605807
If that's really the case then I'm genuinely surprised someone liked that ugly ass suit enough to actually make a follow up on it.
Concept Art Hedorah is worse.
>>13605940
I guess they actually made Hedora's eyes less vaginal for the final version. It's a lot clearer in that version.
>>13604946
>>13605128
Mah nigga
>>13605697
It's ok. It's not amazing, but it's biggest problem was just the shaky cam being too much for some people
>>13605940
I like the idea of Hedorah flattening out and sorta enveloping things, but I don't like the idea of him being that squat when just standing upright. When Hedorah's standing independently, I think he looks best when he's sorta tall and upright. Almost a towering pillar of sludge.
Either way, he's certainly too, solidly formed I guess in that. Hedorah should be utterly amorphous, constantly shifting imo.
>>13605940
upright reminds me of early Jabba
>>13605995
>insert CIA meme here
better quality
I like how they utilized the old design and incorporated the concept of a mushroom cloud or a ruined building into him. He has that looming, oppressive aspect you get from viewing a photo of a mushroom cloud.
>>13606016
>"woah wait how the fuck many teeth do I have down there"
When they were shooting running and screaming scenes, they gave the extras a mug with a Godzilla silhouette with super-wide jaws as a souvenir
>>13604946
Rodan. Greatest Kaiju of all time. ALL TIME! He could one shot everybody, but being the cool guy that he is, he let Big G have the spotlight because bros before hoes.
>>13606057
I WANT ONE SO BAD
>>13606057
And with the poster head superimposed on it.
>>13605807
>>13605828
>>13606063
>>13604946
Megalon
BEST quality.
>>13606172
Maaaaaaan, all those fucking teeth.
>>13604525
>that eye
>those teeth
>>13606256
>Jesus Christ, where's my body?!
>>13606256
Looks like a hobgoblin
>>13606172
He looks so damn psychotic.
>>13606383
>Inb4 this movie is just a metaphor for the stress anno had working on rebuild
>>13606392
I will go through every damn Jap to get a fucking poster of that shit. It would look nice next to my Ju-On poster.
>>13606392
Probably it's a metaphor of Fukushima just like the 1954 movie was a metaphor for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Anno is into "poetry"
>>13605755
Its possible he was bland because of how he was acted. Its entirely possible another actor could have given him a personality and shown some emotion.
>>13605879
If you take a really messy shit and put a red eye in the turd, you'd get pretty close.
>>13604525
Where is his eye?
>>13604754
>Is dis Nigga serious?
>>13604525
Looks goofy like all Godzillas to me guys.
Are you guys high?
>>13606519
when you see it...
I'm guessing you need to look a little further down, and to the left.
>>post yfw
Drawn by the visual director or something.
>that rotting chest
>>13606531
It looks okay. I miss the bigger eyes. I bet you guys get scared of Horror comedies too.
>>13606541
>rotting chest
Oh shit. Because of the Oxygen Destroyer or what?
>>13604525
the eyes reminds me of the 54 goji by how spooky they look, i guess that's the point though.
>>13606541
I really love it. It's eerie as fuck, and it reminds me of something, but I can't figure out what exactly it reminds me of.
>>13606546
Nuclear radiation does that kind of shit to a person/giant dinosaur
>>13606544
It's to say how badly the godzilla suits get worn out over time.
>>13606541
Oh wow, that looks so cool.
>It turns out that this Godzilla is actually the most kindly and heroic Godzilla to date.
>>13606580
>movie will be about Godzilla just trying to make friends despite everyone being terrified of him
>>13606580
The moral of the tale is don't judge a book by it's cover.
Bravo Anus.
>>13606541
Amazing. Looks like he lives life in constant pain.
>>13606541
Looks pretty cute
>>13606541
Nightmare Fuel
>>13606541
Godzilla's always so happy these days.
>>13605940
I dunno, man, the humanoid form looks kinda like a kid wearing a sheet with eye holes cut out. Sorta cute, actually.
>>13606541
Shinji Nishikawa's worked on some of the Godzilla movies, but this isn't one of them (or at least he hasn't been announced for it).
>>13606627
Well, once you're past 60 years old, all you can do is be happy.
>>13606555
Took me forever to make the connection but it reminds me of those Madballs toys. Don't know if that's the same for you but I hope it helps.
>>13606179
SHEEEH!
>>13606541
>Creepy Godzilla with a rotting chest
Oh shit
>>13606541
It looks more like it could either somewhat skeletal in structure or it could just be an optical illusion due to the lines in the drawing.
Mahiro Maeda (the monster designer for the Shusuke Kaneko Gamera trilogy and Ultraman: The Ultimate Hero/Ultraman Powered) is the one who did the design for Godzilla in Shin Godzilla/Godzilla Resurgence.
Look up pictures of '90s Gamera and Powered Red King and whatnot to see how they relate and contrast with the new Godzilla design.
>>13605146
>>13605015
Was that Anno in the teaser?
>>13606810
Where?
All I see is Mr. Motion Blur hogging all the screentime.
>>13604525
Those uneven features kinda make sense, now that I think about it.
Guess they're going for the irregular malformed tumorous radiated mutation angle.
>>13606815
The fat neckbeard resembles Del Toro only Asian.
And now to wait for the inevitable vs/team-up movie.
>>13606843
>serious square jaw and psycho face
I can't unsee fucking Batman and Joker now.
>>13606843
>still the best
>>13606804
>Mahiro Maeda (the monster designer for the Shusuke Kaneko Gamera trilogy and Ultraman: The Ultimate Hero/Ultraman Powered)
He's also the guy the Mahiro from Turn A Gundam is named after.
Also he worked on Mad Max.
He's the most reassuring part of the current staff lineup, honestly.
>>13606843
Shin Godzilla is bigger than Legendary Godzilla?
>>13606849
both are trying to out big each other a few meters at a time.
>>13606849
Apparently by a whole whopping 10 meters.
>not even a day into the reveal of a head shot and based Matt Frank is already drawing art.
>>13604946
ur mom
>>13606858
Like I was saying on /tv/ I hope they actually have some scenes that properly show his scale. Despite being twice as big as 54 Godzilla Legendary felt smaller to me because there were hardly any shots that really showed off his size.
Heisei is still best
>>13606890
How does it feel to have objectively shit taste?
>>13606897
If he had objectively shit taste he'd be praising the design in Final Wars.
>>13606529
It's Anno, the Toku and Evafags will always find some retarded reason to fellate himeven when he has nothing to do with that design.
Any chance for Shin Godzilla doing this?
Been meaning to ask, but is Final Wars Goji his canonically strongest form? He fucking murdered every other kaiju thrown at him with relative ease aside from Monster-X.
>>13604754
"You gonna eat yo cornbread?"
>>13606890
This really.
>>13606914
Nice potato webm.
Well, Godzilla did manage to stop a small planetoid from crashing into the Earth in GFW by shooting it down with his atomic breath. He also managed to pick up and throw a 100,000 ton Keizer Ghidorah (half of Biollante's final form's weight). If anything, Godzilla's limits have never really been properly reached.
I assume each incarnation's powers and strength fluctuate, but from what we've seen of Godzilla in the last 60+ years, there are usually more mysteries than answers. The only thing to ever canonically kill him was the Oxygen Destroyer (which just completely removed all oxygen from Tokyo Bay).
>>13606843
>>13606905
Final Wars had many problems, but the FinalGoji suit wasn't one of them. I mean it's not the best suit, but I don't see anything objectively wrong with it. I mean, there's way worse.
I want a rematch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxhdo4HDggThe Xillian leader stole the movie
>>13606914
>Been meaning to ask, but is Final Wars Goji his canonically strongest form?
As far as I can tell, yes.
Which, by proxy, means Keizer Ghidorah is also the strongest Ghidorah
>>13606995
>that shitty cgi for the American Godzilla
Even to this day it still cracks me up.
What if when the movie starts there is some kind of nuclear crisis going on in japan and it leaks a ton of radiation into the ocean. Then a few days after people that live near the ocean report hearing howls, roars and screams like something is dying but they don't know what. Then at the almost midway point godzilla comes up out of the ocean and attacks and he looks like a lovecraftian zombie dinosaur thing.
With Anno's style something like that could be nightmare fuel.
>>13605713
But your point was "Godzilla barely shows up", which is true for all godzilla movies. What you did was goalpost moving.
>>13607007
No her point was that the characters were dull and emotionless.
What if there are two Godzillas in the movie and that the "Shin Godzilla" title is finding out which one is the real one? That could explain why this one looks like evil nightmare fuel made from the souls of WWII's dead.
>>13607012
which was irrelevant from the original posit of "Godzilla barely shows up"
>>13607005
I don't know about that story necessarily, but in an interview, Anno promised "I'll give you your best worst nightmare."
>>13607019
No.
>>13607005
Sounds pretty good. Since '54 Godzilla was an allegory for the A-bombs, do you think he's aiming to make this one an allegory for the Fukushima disaster?
Why are his eyes so damn small?
>>13607019
Reread that original post. Complaints about the characters being emotionless and nobody caring about them were present from the beginning.
>>13607024
anon do you even know moving goalposts
>I bet this will be like legendary godzilla where he barely shows up!
>you mean like every godzilla film?
>yeah well drama etc.
>>13607029
He should've made it the focal point of his post though.
Also while the soldier dude can't act I feel like he didn't really bring down the movie since the disaster movie aspect is still present.
Part of me feels like LegendGoji is getting unwarranted hate now that a "pure Japanese Godzilla" movie is being made.
>>13607031
Nuh uh.
>>13607033
waste of dubs
>>13607035
Nuh uh.
Actually, I didn't think Legendary Godzilla was all that bad, but I like Cranston and it pissed me off when he said the new Godzilla movie was going to be different because it focused on the people affected by the tragedy and wasn't just monsters destroying things without context.
Motherfucker has clearly never seen the original Godzilla, or any of plenty of others.
>>13607017
Are you aware that that was the plot of the cancelled movie that got turned into Godzilla VS Destroyah was? Because that's the kind of geek thing that Anno would do.
(The film was originally going to be Heisei Godzilla VS the ghost of the original Godzilla killed by the oxygen destroyer, but they cancelled it because they didn't want him fighting another Godzilla twice in a row with Space just before)
>>13607026
It would be the best thing to use if he is going the same direction as the first movie. Fukushima is still fresh in peoples minds.
>>13607041
but the original godzilla was that anon
it focused on how obsessed Serizawa is, how Godzilla affected those islanders, etc.
stop using those MST3K Godzilla films as reference.
>>13607043
Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall reading that somewhere. Alternatively, they could let "Shin" be "God" in this case and make the rumored Godzilla vs Satan movie.
>>13607050
>MST3K
I just want to say that MST3K is fucking cancer. Fucking dumbass retarded yanks thinking they're clever by being racist fucks was bad enough, but they also spawned a million of stupid obnoxious fucks on the internet who think they can be clever by doing the same thing. Literal fucking cancer.
You misunderstood me. Cranston, in an interview, said that Legendary's Godzilla was different because it cared about the characters. As if none of the others had done that before.
Which is why I think he hasn't seen any of the others. The original Godzilla is in my top five favorite movies ever. I literally cried at the end the first time I saw it. And he just sort of brushes off every other Godzilla movie as cheap schlock, as opposed to his mature Godzilla movie for mature individuals.
>>13607050
I suggest you reread that post, anon.
>>13607059 is meant for >>13607050
>>13607057
nah MST3K by itself is fun (depending on the episode), it's when people copy them and think that they are better because they watched it are the bad
>>13607059
Well that's just Cranston. You should really go more for the director or writer.
Ironically the actual first American-released Godzilla movie also subverts the usual American pov of MONSTAH MONSTAH OH YEAH because it was also character-based
>>13607059
>I literally cried at the end the first time I saw it.Me too
>>13607050
I loathe to jump into other people's fights but jesus christ THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID YOU MORON
THAT DUMBFUCK CRANSTON SAID "HURRR IM GONNA MAKE A ORIGIONAL GODZILA MOVIE ABOUT THE HUMENS NOT LIKE THE SHITY JAP MOVIES WHICH IS STUPID MONSTERS FITIN FOR NO REASON" AND THEN JUST REMADE THE FIRST FUCKING FILM
>>13607065
Oh and just in case people are retarded and assume that's the 90's Godzilla, I'm referring to the black-and-white film where they used an American reporter as the central character.
>>13607070
See >>13607059 >>13607065
>>13607065
>MONSTAH MONSTAH OH YEAH
AY AY AY MONSTAH
OH BABY MONSTAH
>>13604946
gamera. fucking great design and the 90s movies are 10/10
>>13607070
>THEN JUST REMADE THE FIRST FUCKING FILM
But also not as good. And they added a monster fight to it.
>>13607065
>Ironically the actual first American-released
Eh, pretty much all American monster movies that aren't shitty slasher "horror" flicks claim to be "original" by focusing on the characters instead of the monsters which is typically just the directors going "THAT MEANS I'M A REAL FILM MOMMY"
>>13607082
At least they didn't completely miss the entire fucking point like Pacific Rim
>look at my tribute to godzilla!
>FUCK YEAH NUKES ARE COOL!
>>13607083
err no, there was no sarcasm in the film
it literally is bringing over the original Godzilla film without changing much of its context
I seriously hope you aren't doing the "EBIN HOLLYWOOD" crap on it, because it was in an era where it is just a minor tumor
>>13607052
What if Anno goes the extra mile andGodzilla IS Satan?
>>13607065
And half the characters in GINO were Simpsons actors that pulled me out of the movie. Especially Shearer who just decided to do Kent Brockman reporting on a kaiju attack and making me wonder when he'd start proclaiming the raptor babies as his overlords and pledging to find people to toil in their underground tuna mines.
>>13607052
Actually they combined the ghost godzilla (the oxygen destroyer elements of it) and satan movies to make Destroyah.
>>13607092
godzilla in hell adaption when.
>>13607057
>MST3K
>dumbass retarded yanks thinking they're clever by being racist fucks
That's the most inaccurate description of MST3K I've ever heard. Literally every word of that sentence was false.
>>13607093
It wasn't the 90's godzilla you dolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla,_King_of_the_Monsters!
While it removed some connotation, they still kept the feeling of dread, the focus on the characters, and Godzilla being more than a monster. It is poignant because this is still a post-war movie.
>ghost godzilla
Say, does anyone have that picture of a Ghost Godzilla prop from some event that was posted on /m/ a few years back?
>>13607095
Hm, that makes sense. Destoroyah does look like a demon after all.Also holy shit I'm retarded. It took me this long to realize he's basically Devil Godzilla.
>>13607092
Who man, too deep. Even for Anno.
>Annofags
that explains everything.
>>13607106
This?
>>13607106
3spooky5me
>>13607113
That's just one of the old suits, they never made a suit for Ghost, only miniatures to propose the idea.
>>13604814
Remember, he wiped Evangelion 4.0 to make room both digitally and mentally for Godzilla.
>>13607117
I thought you just meant GMK because technically the Godzilla in that is formed from a bunch of pissed sailor ghosts.Sorry
>>13607092
There is no God. God is humankind, weapons are their angels, Godzilla is their Lucifer, cast from Paradise, a fallen angel seeking to claim his own domain in humanity's Kingdom.
>>13607117
This?
>so many resin kits of an unused design
Yeah and I thought this would be a decent Godzilla thread. I guess I was wrong.
>>13607132
>believing wikizilla
>>13607134
Well it appeared in the first Kiryu movie didn't it? Still, it would be nice to own one of those like the the paleontologists who have dinosaur skeleton models.
>>13607142
Eh, I just lazily grabbed the first thing that came up..
>mfw I only just realised that they recycled the Ghost Godzilla plot for Kiryu
>>13607059
Well, Cranston is also Isamu Dyson...
>>13607147
And combined it with EVA.
>Get in the fucking robot Akane
>>13607156
Also, something about plants and how they make you autistic loners.
>>13607115
>>13607122
>>13607126
Now I want to see a skeleton Godzilla animated by Ray Harryhausen.
>>13607132
>Beam me up, Scotty!
>>13607143
Do they have a Godzilla museum in Japan? If not, they should. They could make a life-sized skeleton and have it set up like a dinosaur display at the Museum of Natural History.
>>13607165
Nah, Toho just does the occasional exhibit to promote new films. Also, a life-sized Godzilla skeleton would be a pretty expensive undertaking, don't you think.
>>13606914
Is that Saddam Hussein?
>>13607132
>tfw no Star Trek TNG episode where the timeline alters and suddenly the Enterprise crew has to help Dr. Serizawa build the Oxygen Destroyer to kill Godzilla
>>13607165
Anno's the curator of the tokusatsu museum.
>>13607178
>They pretend that Spock is Chinese again
>>13606914
To be fair, most of the Kaiju seemed super fucking gimped in that movie.
Hedorah for example gets hurt by shit that normally wouldn't phase him.
>>13607180
>>13607178
Shit, scratch that. Did not notice the Next Generation part.
>>13607159
I hated the human stories in the Kiryu movies.
>>13607188
The DNA computer scientist spilling his spaghetti was funny though
>>13607188
Eh, the second one was all right. It was cool seeing how they connected the old dude to Mothra, and the guy did help fix up Kiryu.
>>13607193
Well yeah, the old dude was the same character and actor from the original Mothra film. The whole "Every non-Godzilla Showa film happened" idea behind the Kiryuverse was a fun one.
>>13607192
Better than the Pteranodon guy, that's for sure.
>>13607201
Totally agree. Well, I'm not sure if every Showa movie was a part but the connected history thing is still cool.
>>13607115
I'd pay top dollar for that statue. TOP. DOLLAR.
>>13607115
>that other Godzilla in the background all like "Come on!"
The eye makes me think of the small, wide eyes many early ultra creatures had.
>>13605679
I'd be interested in watching that but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
>>13607252
>>13607182
my guess is that the mind control used on them made them completely useless at fighting other Kaiju, otherwise I imagine even Zilla would have given Godzilla more trouble than he did
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vu3IqQG.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>13604946
mechagodzilla technically isnt a kaiju but nobody cares
>>13604525
So is Anno finaly trying to top the mass production eva design in shear scariness?
