Finally finished Unicornholy shit that was fucking retarded. that wasn't canon was it?
>>13587279
Sadly, every animated work is canon.
Yes, even Unicorn, which makes no fucking sense.
Gundam isn't really anal about canon, so you really shouldn't care
Yeah. It is.
But in the end, it meant literally nothing considering how big of a mess late UC is.
>>13587279
The Japanese aren't as big about canon as Americans are.
>he didn't like the soap opera dorama
Your loss.
>>13587279
You trying to summon Black Knight?
>>13587279
It was really great. Tired of the shitposting.
>>13588161
My problem is that I loved Unicorn. It looked amazing. Like, if you wanted to show someone "Look, anime can be good!" you'd show them Unicorn.
Unfortunately, when you start to think about it, things don't really make sense. The whole mess is started off by a guy who decides to 'even the scales' by passing the Unicorn to Zeon, to support Spacenoid independence. The problem is that this is the worst possible time to do it. It's like handing the KKK the key to a little-known amendment that states "By the Will of the Founding Fathers, no Man with a Drop of Negro Blood shall be treated as a Human. Let it forever be so."
I also didn't really like Banagher, who comes off as having no real will of his own. He just does what people want him to do, really - for him, there's very little personal involvement. Riddhe's freakout seems poorly-timed and inappropriate, as well as Marida receiving the Banshee for no apparent reason.
Oh, you need a Cyber-Newtype pilot? Wait, you're going to use MARIDA? Isn't there anyone else on hand?
I think the show got a lot worse after Episode 3, mostly because the action slows down a lot. Episode 4 is the worst one, to my mind, but very little happens in 5 and 6.
>>13588208
>Oh, you need a Cyber-Newtype pilot? Wait, you're going to use MARIDA? Isn't there anyone else on hand?
Essentially. They had stopped Cyber-Newtype research at this point. Not to mention Marida is the ultimate Cyber-Newtype (as far as Cyber-Newtypes go) due to how the Ple/Puru clones were made in particular - conditioned from the embryonic stage, etc.
>>13588223
...Eh, there's that bloke from Hathaway's Flash, so they didn't stop it ENTIRELY...
>>13588223
Then it is pretty silly having a newtype MS being worked on
>>13588249
That is a different universe that follows the Belitochika's Children version of CCA
>>13588208
Banagher doesn't have a personality or a character, he literally moves at the will of the plot. He had just enough of a bland character sheet so he hits enough Gundam tropes and can toss out trite dialogue, but not enough personality as so he can actually influence the plot in any significant way. He's basically just a thing to showcase the Unicorn Gundam.
You remember how he met Minerva? Newtype Powers, that ol plot device, made him realize she was falling through the colony. By the end of the episode, he was literally begging Audrey to say that she needed him. So what the fuck would he have done if there wasn't a Gundam waiting for him at the end of the day, went to bed and cried? Christ. On that note, why is he dragging around a Haro? Isn't that a fucking child's toy in this series? Kamille found his in a junk yard. They couldn't have been popular.
On that note, that's the one thing that really gets to me about Gundam UC, is that it really tends to be too on the nose about it's Gundam, and just seems to be the ultimate culmination of the "Gundam has to be this, and nothing else!" There has to be another Zeon uprising, there has to be a lot of newtype shinangans. Old mobile suits show up because they were in other series, other places show up because they were in Gundam series, we constantly have to namedrop events and people over and over. It reminds me of in Zeta Gundam's first ten episodes when nobody would shut the fuck up about Amuro. Zeta Gundam eventually stopped with that shit, but Gundam UC seems to have that as a main course.
I'd call it a celebration, and maybe it is, but to me, it just feels like a circlejerk. Not everything has to be borrowed from another series. I mean, there's a literal Char Clone in the series. The concept of the Masked Man in a series has just collapsed on itself.
>>13588223
Yeah, but wouldn't you want someone who unfailingly loyal instead? It's not like it was a difficult kill. A normal pilot could just show up, shred the Delta Plus and drag the Unicorn home. That would've won them the game in a heartbeat.
>>13588298
The Unicorn series were never supposed to be used by Newtypes at first.
>>13588302
>On that note, why is he dragging around a Haro? Isn't that a fucking child's toy in this series? Kamille found his in a junk yard. They couldn't have been popular.
Amuro made a fortune selling Haros, you know.
>>13588302
I had a serious problem with Banagher, in that he isn't responding in a normal human way to the shit he's seen. In his shoes, I would be raring to kill as many of the Sleeves as possible: It's like immediately after 9/11, you were given a M-16 and turned loose on a Taleban cell.
Or alternatively, I expected him to be catanoic from the trauma. He just found and lost his father all over again! All his friends are dead! But the thing is, Banagher doesn't really seem to care. Even the whole thing with Full Frontal isn't remotely personal. How's the audience supposed to be invested in a non-starter like that?
>>13588324
>I had a serious problem with Banagher, in that he isn't responding in a normal human way to the shit he's seen. In his shoes, I would be raring to kill as many of the Sleeves as possible
thats because you are a regular human, not a highly empathetic Newtype that can feel the very souls of people around him. people need to remember that Banagher isnt Amuro or Judau, he's Lalah Sune.
>>13588321
Oh, I know about that, I just feel that Banagher holding one like that is kind of on the nose.
It's still a kid's toy. Kamille found his in a junk yard, and only because he thought it MIGHT be Amuro's (it wasn't), and he leaves his on the Argama. They weren't everywhere.
Who knows, maybe I'm just being nitpicky.
>>13588321
but his dad brought it for him in origins
So who made haro? Did amuro develop a existing toy into a pet and sold it to the company or did haros exist before amuro.
>>13588338
>but his dad brought it for him in origins
Origin is an AU. In 0079 it's just a weird-ass robot thing he built.
>>13588302
>, and just seems to be the ultimate culmination of the "Gundam has to be this, and nothing else!"
I loved that bit in Steel Seven where they joke about this. I think it is with the F99 when someone asks why there is no gundam head and he's like "ahhhh we'll put one on for the press when the model launches"
>>13588341
Wait
What are you trying to say?
The thing that followed amuro in 0079 wasn't haro?
>>13587279
>holy shit that was fucking retarded. that wasn't canon was it?
It doesn't change anything anyway, just a fart in the wind.
>>13588208
>I also didn't really like Banagher, who comes off as having no real will of his own
Unicorn characters are mere puppets to the plot drama. They will behave the way the plot dictates them to, never through their own will, they'd need personalities for that to start with.
>>13588334
It was much easier to relate to Lalah, some indian ex prostitute, than to Banana, the lost kid full of immature moralfaggotry. Banana is a complete tool to Fukui's agenda.
>>13588368
I wonder if the novels explored more on his back story of being orphaned by his father and his mother dying (?)
The movies seem to skim over it really quickly
>>13588357
Original: Amuro invents a robot called Haro who later because of the white base's and his fame gets mass produced
Origins: Haro is a toy Amuro is bought when young
>>13588368
On the note of crazy brown girls I always found the one in Unicorn weird. Why he cared and why we should never really seemed clear
>>13587279
Yes, but it means nothing in the long run. And is made extra retarded by all the series that take place after it anyways. Especially Victory.
>>13588377
Oh
I thought origins was canon, didn't know it was an alternate timeline
>>13588385
WellAmuro dies at the endso yeah it is kinda different. Also Char comes across way more crazy which I do like
>>13588390
shit
Man I should REALLY read the origins
Sounds like a manga version of the novel in which that happens also but not exactly at the end
>>13588382
>Why he cared and why we should never really seemed clear
Like a lot of things in Unicorn, they're making new stuff by recycling old stuff in the form of shallow reference/pasta. Her and Marida are the new Lalah. That's it, don't look further than that. As for the reasons you should care, is there any reason to care about anything that happens in Unicorn? Does the show ever give you a solid reason to give a shit about anything that happens? Unicorn is beautiful fanservice told in a pompous, wooden and preachy way, period.
>>13588397
I don't really get the hate
It really good fanservice in my opinion
It doesn't mess anything up, it doesn't retell anything, it give you cool new and old mobile suits and some new waifu
What's to hate
You can just ignore it if you don't like it but there is no point hating it because it doesn't add or delete anything in UC
>>13588249
Who? I don't remember any Cyber Newtypes in Hathaway's Flash.
>>13588401
Because while it is nice enough everything about it is very stale. Pretty much all the parts are recycled but never done as well, Full Frontal really encapsulates all of that. He is a literal Char clone made to be and do Char things and be very good at Char things
The only thing special about Unicorn is good animation
>>13588401
>What's to hate
Putting questionable plot aside, the storytelling is downright dreadful. It drags so fucking much just to preach immature bullshit.
>>13587279
Yes, it's canon.
There are a couple of people who abjectly refuse to accept it and insist that it's not canon because it references ZZ, which they also believe to be non-canon because of the alternate ending to Zeta seen in the compilation films.
But everyone else knows that ANT is the alternate ending and the series is the one that is canon to the main timeline. Also consider that if ZZ was being disowned like G-Saviour is then the mech wouldn't be showing up in every Vs and Mousou game ever. Which also extends to the Unicorn units which have a heavy presence in recent Gundam games.
>>13588338
>So who made haro?
Amuro Ray. Origin is a very different version of 0079 and should not be considered to retcon anything. It's another writer's version of MSG, like For The Barrel only less weird.
![37f1fc48c059303820f659e3607ad385[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ceTVdR3.jpg "37f1fc48c059303820f659e3607ad385[1].png")
I really enjoyed Unicorn OP, it's personally my favorite UC story.
The overall story, which can be confusing to viewers at times, is alright.
The characters are pretty great, and range from all over the personality scale.
The setting is nice, and The Sleeves are probably the best rendition of a "Zeon Remnant" seen yet.
The battles look and feel fantastic, it's like you're there with them while they battle.
And, of course, the unit designs are wonderful. Unicorn easily has some of my favorite UC designs of the series.
So yeah, those are my two cents on Unicorn.
>banagher beats the fuck out of grown men in the first episode
>proceeds to job to everyone afterwards.
>>13588410
Fukui trying to pretend that an empty shell like Frontal had any depth is downright insulting. You can't produce value out of nothingness, those dumbasses japanese writers need to understand that, characters are not just concepts, they need susbtance.
>>13588468
>The characters are pretty great
>>13588502
>characters are not just concepts, they need susbtance.
unfortunately most anime writers (and writer in general) do not get this
>>13588515
But they are and so is the story. I'm sorry that you guys are all a bunch of cynical that can't appreciate it.
>>13588574
And i'm sorry you're such a shit eating retard
>>13588574
>unicorn story
>great
>>13587279
What a waste of good mech design.
Pros:
+ Glorious mecha porn.
+ Fantastic soundtrack.
+ Big-sister Marida.
+ Stark "Motherfucking" Jegan. The man, the myth, the legend.
+ Movements of funnels are actually animated.
Cons:
- As it's between CCA and the late-UC series, it was never going to change anything about the canon continuity.
- Accordingly the plotline of the "Original UC Charter" seems trivial.
- Full Frontal was devoid of substance or personality.
- Main characters are drama-driven puppets whose allegiances and actions seem to operate independently of any personality they happen to show.
- Things often happen just because they "have to": the best example being Marida's death. See also: Lalah, Purus 1 through 11.
- SUFFERING
- Quit beating us about the head with shit like the "Co-Prosperity Sphere": we get it, you're aware that Japan did some fucked-up things it won't publicly acknowledge. The only way you could be more ham-handed about it is if you'd named Full Frontal's personal guard "Unit 731".
>>13588599
The most retarded move was to stick the Neo Zeong abomination to the Sinanju.
![5fbf922eb8113f12b3c888304faf9879[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6OmW2bd.jpg "5fbf922eb8113f12b3c888304faf9879[1].jpg")
>>13588608
Puru-nee is the best.
>>13588608
>- Accordingly the plotline of the "Original UC Charter" seems trivial.
It just seems so pointless.
Like all the government would have to do is say "nah that is a fake, you gonna trust some Zabi?" And even then laws and ideas change a lot, especially when you have been through years of colony gassing and drops killing millions upon millions.
>>13588642The thousand who tasted it agree.
>>13588665
It's true. The reality of a present conflict doesn't change by knowing the precise roots of the conflict itself. It won't bring back lives that the individual soldiers are trying to avenge or honor, and it won't undo the bitterness left behind on both sides.
If anything it'd just spur on the Zabi loyalists, who can claim that they were justified, and divide the colonists even further between those who want peace at any cost and those who want "progress" at any cost, with the silent majority caught in the middle.
>>13588642
Agreed. She'd still be my "little sister", but that's okay.
>>13588608
My personal problem is that the final conflict wasn't resolved with a fight. Banagher didn't win fairly - He basically convinced Full Frontal that life wasn't worth living, and Frontal just gave up.
That's no way to run a final battle. It needs to be a genuine nail-biter of a fight, where it could go either way. This conclusion was rather disappointing, but I get the feeling that every time the Neo Zeong moved, it hemorrhaged thousands from the budget.
At least let us have a final duel, god damn it. I'm not here for the magic carpet ride. (Worse, Full Frontal was clearly winning that fight. If Banagher had him on the ropes and used that as a finishing blow, I wouldn't complain as much - But this was some bullshit.)
Also, Loni sucked. She really, really sucked. She's like those people arguing about 'Islamophobia' when you have terrorists machine-gunning people. Banagher, having watched his friends go up in flames, should've been completely okay with killing her.
>>13588382
Episode 4 of Unicorn was fucked on a lot of levels
>>13588707
>Banagher didn't win fairly - He basically convinced Full Frontal that life wasn't worth living, and Frontal just gave up.
You make it sound more interesting.
>>13587288
Thunderbolt is canon?
>>13588665
The idea ofit is actually pretty good, what if we found out today that there was a covered-up amendment to the Constitution? It would change society a lot to find out about it. But since between Unicorn and the Federation's collapse we see.... nothing, it was completely pointless, we got nothing from it.
>>13588687
It's kinda like if in the middle of WW2 someone came out and went "hey I found a note by Franz Ferdinand saying he didn't want a war if he was killed." It just kinda like who cares at this point? We aren't even fighting about that now and it was only ever a catalyst
>>13588716
It would get a bit of shouting but at the end of the day it really wouldn't change anything. I mean the constitution already has a load of amendments, not like there has ever been an issue with changing it
![e43360e22af87affa6663640834f8b4f[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/drzxUsN.jpg "e43360e22af87affa6663640834f8b4f[1].jpg")
>>13588687
Cute!
I want to hang out with her, and do cute things with her.
>>13588724
Yeah but the example would be something from the founding father's that was covered up, and something politically relevant today especially. Since Newtypes was a big issue at the time, OYW was only 20 years ago and they're still trying to cope.
>>13588716
> It would change society a lot to find out about it
No, it wouldn't. And I say that as someone that enjoys Unicorn. The fact that the constitution was amended only really had direct power for a decade or maybe two after the formation of the Federation, during which Siam Vist used it to bribe his way in to money and power. The box had meaning then, because the revelation that the current leaders had come to power via murder and that they'd changed the constitution would cause a scandal that'd cast them out of power. After that it was basically meaningless for 50 odd years, by which time Siam was so entrenched he continued on despite it and then Zeon became a thing, at which point it suddenly had power again - because it's contents would seem to validate Zeon's movement and would give them more support.
Zeon's ideology was undercut by the Zabi's greed and the faction's methodology meaning that their side could never be justified regardless of what was written in the charter, but it was still feared after that point because no matter how insane something is you'll pretty much always find some people to follow it. So if the charter came to light then there'd be a renewed Zeon movement of some kind. There were already three more even without the charter (Delaz, Axis and Neo).
Which is why people feared it, and why when Mineva her final speech was basically "don't use this as another excuse to start chucking colonies around please - that shit sucks". She wasn't concerned with universal peace and no more war ever for anything, just that the remaining Zeon loyalists not use it (or her) as an excuse to start a war because Zeon had nothing good worth left fighting for after all that had happened.
If the charter had come to light while Deikun was alive it wouldn't have changed anything, because Degwin would still have killed him and used some other rhetoric to incite the people to war - since that was what the main interest of Zeon as a nation was.
>>13588735
Okay if the founding fathers had put something like
>Never attack the middle east
And it was covered up, do you really think that would stop anything? No it wouldn't. There is too much invested in the war to stop from a political, economic and social aspect. People haven't forgotten 9/11 just like UC people never forgot Dublin
Hell America warps the constitution as it wants. It's the right to bare arms in a milita not just anyway, you just gotta lawyer speak your way to okay
>Since Newtypes was a big issue at the time
not really. Most on earth know it as some crazy space tale and spacenids just think it's uber super men.
>>13588724
Well, at least today it'll probably never get amended again. You probably couldn't get congress to agree on the three primary colors. Someone would argue that "white" and "black" should be in there too, and then someone else would argue that "black" doesn't count as a color, and you'd end up with a bill approving funds for essential maintenance on a bridge in Kentucky on the sole condition that it be painted teal.
>>13588735
Nothing about the early UC was about Newtypes, because even by Unicorn they weren't widespread or even understood enough to be more than either a pretext or a rallying point.
>>13588746
>>13588750
You don't think something like that could have potential to shift balance to D or R in theory? In gundam terms that would be equivalent of propaganda for zeon or feds depending on how it's leaked.
>>13588753
>either a pretext or a rallying point.
But that's a lot. "She's a newtype" is basically the best excuse you can have for making a teenage girl relevant besides "she's a zabi princess" in Gundam. By later UC newtypism seems to have a lot more popular support since they were central in 3 big wars.
>>13588762
At best it would give one another stick to beat the other with, but it wouldn't have any real effects. The whole system and country was built up without that concept,law or whatever it's not like everyone would suddenly have to start following it. Especially the politicians who know the system as is and another real change can fuck them all over
>>13588769
I'm saying that the Charter would absolutely NOT be viewed in a way that had anything to do with Newtypes. It'd be about colonial independence at any price against a mixture of "Earth supremacy" and "fuck Zeon", just as it had been before.
From a political perspective, nothing would change. Newtypes would still be a rhetorical tool in an argument between deeply-entrenched, bitter enemies.
>>13588712
Sure, if you think a glowy-handed chest massage is interesting.
>>13588774
You have a problem with massages anon?
I mean you've got plenty of images like this one, but at the same time I don't think I could do anything sexual to Marida. Maybe not even to ANY cyber-Newtype.
The big brother instincts are too strong.
>>13588800
That's how it should be anon.
Purus are for caring, not for sexual.
>>13588806
Her employers post-Glemy thought otherwise
>>13588806
I want to make them all lunches, give them hugs, and drive them to school.
>>13588811
Well, they are sick bastards and should be shot.
>>13588813
What a wonderful thing to do.
>>13588608
>+ Big-sister Marida.
Agree. It gave us hentai image set where set gets fucked by middle finger.
>>13588608
> Big-sister Marida.
Fuck, she's younger than me.
>>13587279
It never made sense plot wise and it's position in overall Universal Century Saga.
Because I don't now whether to take it as a
1.minor footnote since it long run the whole charter thing dosen't make any impact after almost 100 years later.Length wise it is shortest, making it being qualified for a gaiden than a full blown sequel.
2.A sequel to CCA since they involve so many characters from previous entries and zeonic remnant's final all out attack with their vintage aquatic mech, resolving Amuro and Char's fate.
Things we have to accept no matter what that within 3 year they made a perfectly functioning literal Char clone with Char's memory with name called "Full Frontol", which sounds name of someone appearing in CFNM vids.
We are never shown his true origin and scientists and sponsors in the anime.
Secondly , the retroactive addition of Vist foundation behind everything in Universal century from early years. Also, they happened to have relations with Anaheim electronics, which has been already shown as mastermind military complex causing more war from early UC to Late UC.This rages me no matter what,since it undermines the works done in 35 years.
it would had been digestable if things were near just before and after OYW, but then it has been milked to pulp.
[contd]
>>13588897
[contd]
Thirdly - the whole episode 7.As a pilot Banagher was just a user of the key to laplace's box than a skilled pilot growning his skill as time grows.I will neer consider him a top tier pilot in Universal Century saga.
And all the OP bullshit make it less credible.
What kind of ending is that?they lived happily ever after ? Seriously, what happened?
I can't see how anyone can easily say that previous entries are not necessary to understands what's going on since plot bombards everything that happened previously in past everytime ?
Some even have audacity to tell it is not necessary as if they are telling from experience, which later turns out for most of the cast having seen 00 or SEED only. Seriously goota appreciate the foolish audacity human show.
Anyway, for anyone who loves lore and worldbuilding will definitely get pissed from Unicorn. Those who want to just watch the action, well they might havae also engaged in skipping the so called "boring bits' and watched promo of gunpla models fight each other.
Which such contrary views , it becomes difficult to assume as a side story OVA or a mainline sequel to the likes of 0079 , Zeta, ZZ and CCA.
For some reason, the whole thing has made me cynical, and I do feel that it has became a glorious toy commercial.
I have stop giving a damm, and find it difficult to become a gundam fan. I really wish people appreciated history of the things they consume than being adamant ignorant, repeating same mistakes over and over again.
>>13588897
Come on man, relax about the Vist foundation. The Earth-Sphere is a big place, Laplace's box isn't the only secret and Anaheim has had dealings with literally anyone that wants mobile suits. Of course there is a powerful family of shitlords that has infiltrated an organization like that and probably has a new generation heir or two floating around in some fancy private school ready to be plunged into a conflict that they've inherited by no fault of their own. Doesn't that sound familiar enough to at least be consistent with the universe? If it wasn't bullshit of course yeah yeah i know m8
>>13588900
>>13588897
>>13588909
Not that I really disagree, Unicorn made me cynical too, I've just had a few years to recover~
Unicorn is not even that pretty for an OVA that took that long to finish
>>13588707
If you think the final battle in the OVA was bad, you should read how it goes in the novel.
Frontal literally just floats around while Banagher (and Riddhe, to some degree) keep monologuing until Banana just channels a giant beam saber and impales the Sinanju (no Neo-Zeong).
And that's because Marida had done most of the job beforehand anyway to start off.
>>13589940
It's really not, in fact I think the first episode was somehow better looking than the last despite how fucking long the last episode took to make.
Not to mention all the CG they used. The fucking balls on whoever thought that was okay...
>>13588715
Alternate version of UC so cannon in its own world.
Ep7 of unicorn ruined the whole show I can't believe how many huge dumb mistakes they made.
>>13590271
Well the last one was longer and had more action scenes so it does make sense that it took much longer to release.
>>13589957
What? I thought they killed him with a double Final Shooting.
>>13588608
>- Things often happen just because they "have to": the best example being Marida's death.
I mean, for fuck's sake, did we have to squeeze that bullshit in the last episode?
>>13588724
Yeah, you can fucking say that again. Even when the document is there for everyone to see, if the situation says otherwise, nobody will give a fuck.
>"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." — The Declaration of Independence.Jul 4, 2015
>Except for the Negros, they are slaves because they're inferior to us, and their children will be born as slaves as well.
It took until the 1960s for black people to stop being second class citizens
Literally every fight in unicorn had about 10 seconds of a mobile suit being slowly enlarged and spun on a cgi background to show it approaching the camera
It looked terrible
>>13589957
At least in this ending Banana actually has to do something and get his hands dirty rather than giving us some contrived Newtype drug trip so that Full Frontal will randomly lose and Banana can keep his hands clean and thus preserve his Holier-than-Thou moralfaggotry.
Really, /m/ has no right to bitch about Kira and SEED as long as Banana and Unicorn episode 7 exists. At least Kira went and speared Rau through the cockpit rather than beating him through Sore Demo Newtype bullshit.
>>13590680
The final shooting is just them teaming up.
>>13588707
I'm not so annoyed by Frontal's end, this is Gundam after all. The whole point was understanding and newtyping, not that I wouldn't have preferred a great fight.
I've heard it mentioned that Loni was done a lot better in the novel/manga. The psycommu is evil thing was sort of hinted at with Psyco MkII before, but it still seems ridiculous.
>>13588608
>- Full Frontal was devoid of substance or personality.
He describes himself as an empty vessel, so that may kind of be the point. Still shitty, but hey.
>>13588208
>My problem is that I loved Unicorn. It looked amazing
>implying
its the praise for the animation and the shitty uninspired soundtrack that allows you to weed out the casuals and bandwagon "fans"
Unicorn embodies the absolute worst of the Gundam franchise
>>13591595
MUH HAND-INKED FRAMES
>>13591595
CE had shitty animation but a fairly decent soundtrack, does that make it the better part of the franchise?
>>13590719
>Loni
>The psycommu is evil thing
I thought the whole point of the fight between Loni and Banagher was to show that even though our parents leave us a terrible inheritance or have messed up things terribly in their lifetime, that we as their children are free to choose our fate and make our own decisions. That we should remember the dead and honour them but not let them dictate and what they did dictate how we need to be and what to do.
tldr; It's basically about growing up and emancipating yourself from your parents and their bullshit.
>>13591664
No, but CE and Unicorn are in the same shit tier though
>>13588390
>spoiler
>>13590719
In the novels, Loni isn't remotely the same character. Her father and brothers are piloting the Shamblo, and they're Islamic terrorists. Like, they're literally Taleban. They're so obviously Islamic fundamentalists, it's hilarious.
>>13591966
>and they're Islamic terrorists.
BANAGHERallahu akbar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYjt1-TEQk4
>>13588319
Why? They're so loaded down with psychoframe that it begs the question of who the hell was supposed to make use of such monsters.
>>13588687
>If anything it'd just spur on the Zabi loyalists, who can claim that they were justified
Unicorn addresses that, though.
It wasn't so much what the Charter originally stated that mattered, but rather the perceived power it had. The original concession at the end of the Charter was the product of a bit of well intentioned naivete that after the OYW kicked off ended up mutating into a sinister clause of justification for the Zabi regime's actions if interpreted a certain way, even though the OYW's existence is completely unrelated to the existence of the original Charter.
Like seriously, there's an entire speech shooting down the whole BUT THE CHARTER LEGITIMIZES ZEON'S ACTIONS bullshit, as explained by >>13588746
>>13588390
A. You're thinking of the novel.
B. Anime Origin has changes made to the original story to make it lore-friendly, so it is, in fact, canon.
>>13592888
>A
no I'm not
>B
Has only adapted the Char bits and kept mostly true. We have no idea if it would change that if it ever got a full adaptation which they aren't
>>13590719
Loni is a complete different character from the novel, down to her personality and everything. She's pretty much a nice girl who gets dragged along by her father and their dying traditions, and a motivation to avenger her mother. But she has no actual ill will, like in the OVA, where she's just fucking bloodthirsty. The Shamblo is also much more powerful.
>>13592008
The amount of psycoframe in the Unicorn is precisely so that even non-Newtype are able to use it. But from what it's shown, non-Newtypes are clearly unable to control it properly like a Newtype/Cyber-Newtype is able to - and even those have trouble controlling it.
>>13592931
>no I'm not
Not that guy, but yes you are.Amuro does survive in the end of the manga, as he did in the TV show and the movies.
>>13587279
>>2015
>>Still shitposting
Unicorn bad blah holy shit guis
Is it canon, /m/?
>>13593310
>from what it's shown
You mean that test pilot that got his paint mixed in the prequel?
>>13594327
Well, there's that.There's also Bandé Dessinné.
>>13587279
Considering it explains why the late UC is the way it is, I don't see why it shouldn't be.
Why were mobile suits scaled down? Because of crazy shit like the Unicorns.
Why was the Federation crumbling after most of the colonies suceded? Because of the Laplace's Box revelation delegitimizing the Federation in popular spacenoid imagination. Recall that the Federation was at the height of its power in 0096, with Neo Zeon kept around as an excuse to stay armed. With NZ virtually wiped out and the general MD downgrade, the Federation weakens to the point that the now no longer loyal colonies simply leave. Before Unicorn, there wasn't really much of a reason for things to end up how they did.
>>13593310
But psychoframe has never been shown to work with regular humans without a Newtype instigator.
