What's the SOP for engaging a mobile suit with attack aircraft?
Flip out your MP3 player and play this song on loop
https://youtu.be/NH6ZiySBy_w
>>13578469
Nuke it from orbit?
>>13578480
There are no Spanish guitars in this song.
Getting shot down with head vulcans because you're in Gundam, not Macross.
Go at it WWII dive bomber style?
>>13578469
You dont, because you cant get an over the horizon lock on it for your missiles because of bullshit minovsky physics.
They'd get fucked by minovsky particles
>>13578469
Be a Core Booster.
![Image-GBU-24_Missile_testmontage-gi_BLU-109_bomb[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mzJKMHa.jpg "Image-GBU-24_Missile_testmontage-gi_BLU-109_bomb[1].jpg")
>>13578469
Depends heavily on local Minovsky concentration.
>>13578469
Be in the Morgan and just laser that shit from a distance before your seen.
>>13578526
Couldn't you use laser-guided munitions? I'm not 100% clear on how Russian Guy particles work.
>>13578469
Fly straight at them, never use anything other than nose cannons at knife fighting distance, and the moment you see them point a gun in your general direction eject and self destruct your plane in a massive explosion.
Anything else would hurt their feelings, or god forbid hurt someone!
>>13578526
Fun fact: a heat seeking missile fired in the general direction of the enemy from over the horizon, even if minovsky particles mean you don't know exactly where they are, will still hit a Mobile Suit with greater than 90% accuracy because while the missile wont be able to detect shit from afar, the closer it gets the more accurate it will become just like all other sensors. So it will start off going the wrong way, and then course correct as it flies until it locks on and hits.
The only reason this doesn't happen in UC is because Tomino thinks that missiles have to have their exact course locked it at the time the missile is fired and then it can never be changed.
>>13578571
Minovsky interference fucks unshielded electronics. By Zeta limited missile guidance starts showing up again but at the time of the OYW they had no way of cost and performance efficiently protecting their control systems.
>>13578554
Depends on the levels of M-particles. Seems like radio and radar go first, then infrared, then visible light. UC communications are usually done by laser, but in dense Minovsky conditions even this is unreliable.
I think the ideal solution is something fiber-optically guided. Interestingly the Regina missile in MS IGLOO 2 meets this description perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXw9SqnXqZQ
Couldn't you just put an explosive payload inside of a fin funnel instead of a laser and guide it to a target using newtype magic?
Then just strap a bunch of them to an F-35 and you're good.
>>13578469
>Load Minovsky reactors and a beam cannon into an A-10.
>Slag everything on ground
>>13578650
And that's the funnel missiles from Hathaway's Flash.
>>13578662
That sounds a fair bit like a core booster.
>>13578650
>Funnel missiles
Proven in UC 0096, then 105 and then again in G-Reco centuries later.
Funnel Missile stronk
Mack Knife stronk
Gastima stronk
>>13578650
You can but it's hilariously expensive and difficult.
>>13578680
G-Reco had fire-and-forget optical tracking, right? The Photon Eye? That's not the same as a funnel missile, that's more like today's contrast-seekers.
>>13578490
You seem to be confusing spanish with acoustic.
>>13578631
> Haro, a children's toy, is properly shielded against Minovsky interference scrambling it and burning it out from constantly being in a minovsky laden battlefield
> missiles are impossible
Try again, Tomino
>>13578759
Haro was made by Amuro Ray, Space Autist.
>>13578706
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK9Z1X737Ug
Pixy did nothing wrong
>>13578769
Nope! Retconned!
Amuro bought an off the shelf Haro and modified it to make it smarter. Those improvements later were incorporated into later generation Haro's, but Haro's are children's toys.
Even if they were not, and Amuro himself was responsible for its construction and shielding, the fact that he put together effective shielding in his garage for something 1/10th the size of a missile means that his Haro was secretly the most important piece of technology developed in the OYW, not beam weapons or the Gundam at all.
>>13578801
Minovsky particles don't fuck with all electronics- the lights in ships don't flicker on and off, and the interior computers and monitors work just fine. Minovsky particles effect long-range scanning equipment.
>>13578813
So missiles that adjust their course over time to take advantage of greater accuracy as it becomes available (by getting closer to their target) should be effective anti-ship and anti-mobilesuit weapons. As long as you fire in the same direction as the enemy, as the missile gets closer it gains a better read on the enemy and makes course corrections as needed until it has a firm lock.
>>13578840
This works if you and the other guy are the only two heat signatures around, but you're probably gonna end up hitting your own guys if you try that sort of thing in a larger battle.
>>13578867
Not if you are using this for long range warfare the likes of which is supposedly impossible in UC. Sure, if you fire this into a packed ongoing firefight with the enemy already on top of your forces you probably don't want to fire away. But its a valid weapon to use against enemy battlegroups from afar, well outside of the range of conventional return fire.
>>13578963
In the novels, they use decoys specifically to prevent that sort of long range bombardment.
>>13578469
Honest question, SOP?
>>13578979
Standard operating procedure = "that thing you usually do in a given situation."
>>13578631
I keep on hearing this in these threads. What kind of fucked are we talking here? Would the electronic start working perfectly again if it was taken out of the Minovsky field, need repairs, or be only good for scrap/recycling?
And what kind of shielding would an electronic need? Is it a special material, what thickness does it need to be, etc?
>>13578990
No hardware damage, it just temporarily makes sensors and targeting less effective. The heavier the particle density, the less effective.
>>13578801
Maybe the larger/more complicated the electronic the more shielding it needs to function.
>>13578989
Ah, thank you.
>>13578799
>>13579031
>>13578469
Hit it with your sword. Pray you are not named Tolle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqxJ22DO1b0
Just load up dumb munitions and make high speed strafes and/or dive bombing.
>>13578801
>Origin is cannon
No, it's an alternate retelling, you retard.
>>13578635
Yes, but they weren't invented in WWII. Gundam is WWII with giant robots.
>>13579053
Enjoy your shield to the face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-8ty0RBFI4
>>13578801
Origin is an alternate retelling, like ANT. It doesn't invalidate or override MSG.
>>13579045
>not V2 version
do you even buddy
>>13578680
aren't funnel missiles a waste? why not just have funnel, which is reusable?
>>13579093
I'd be a lot more worried about just getting shot since ms got some high powered sensors and fire control systems combined with large caliber ballistic weaponry and planes are basically unarmored, but ok.
>>13579093
was crushed and beheaded? lol
>>13579110
Thanks friend.
>>13579218
>Buddyposting
>using the AC6 HUD
>>13578759
When is Haro outdoors during Minovsky spreading
>>13579247
He's on the moon that one time in Zeta.
>>13578469
>What's the SOP for engaging a mobile suit with attack aircraft?
https://youtu.be/6U7rOUSvYM8?t=2s
>>13579218
>>13579210
What's this Pixy guy's deal, anyway? I only ever played AC5, and the video I watched with him in it just made it seem like he was fighting for a revolutionary army.
>>13579108
>ANT
>Alternate retelling
This twisted meme has to be reset.
>>13580112
He was a mercenary in a war that had him fight against his mother country. He helped single handedly turn the tide of the war and his homeland opted to nuke itself rather than allow further incursions and be occupied.
He became disenchanted with soldiers on both sides of the war seeing as they were nothing but pawns for the genopolitcal struggles of the elites and helped founded an group that wanted to do away with all boarders as they were cause of war. They were going to launch a weapon that would nuke every major population center in the world to achieve that goal.You were his buddy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjzMXd0cVh4
>>13580143
And how do most people feel about him? Was his character handled well?
>>13579031
>>13580150
Well nugget, that's up for you to see for yourself and to decide.
But there is one generally agreed upon fact.Belka did nothing wrong
>>13578537
I hate Gundam jet designs.
>>13578469
return to base
>>13580344
me too, good thing those are rockets
>>13580143
was he a char?
>>13580361
>how do i macross?
Valkyries bully slow and helpless Gundams and Gundams use particle fiat to pick on little baby warplanes. What a vicious circle.
>>13580419
Ironically the GP03S was one of the non-Kawamori designs from 0083.
>>13579055
>>13579108
...Actually, the anime version has been rewritten so as to be lore-friendly with the regular timeline, and as such is just as "canon" as the rest of it.
Even the Guntank Char used has been changed into an early version of the Guntank (complete with a slightly altered design) rather than an alternate version used in Origin's take on the OYW. The only real inconsistency so far is the MS-04 redesign, which is different from both the versions from MSV and origin, but seeing as the neither MS-04 design by has technically seen the light of day on any screen, this isn't a retcon by any stretch, merely it's first appearance and officially recognized design.
>>13580206
>Belka did nothing wrong
Not anymore.
inb4>vgl
>>13580459
Haven't seen origin, so is the original guntank still there?
>>13580617
The one we know from 0079? No.
>>13580617
It's not THE Guntank, just A Guntank.
It's more rudimentary, not necessarily 'realistic,' but it's more like one of the first steps in the transition from tanks towards Mobile Suits.
>>13580361
>posts a space only core fighter
>>13580459
>The only real inconsistency so far is the MS-04 redesign, which is different from both the versions from MSV and origin, but seeing as the neither MS-04 design by has technically seen the light of day on any screen, this isn't a retcon by any stretch, merely it's first appearance and officially recognized design.
We still haven't seen the anime's MS-04. We do have MS-03, though, which matches the manga.
>>13580463
wait what
which team is that
>>13581643
The /vg/ ace combat general team.
>>13579139
Not dramatic enough. You need something that will give you enough time to show the plane being cleaved in two, the shocked expressions of everyone present, and a 30 second flashback using previously animated scenes.
Then it explodes mid air.
It's like you don't know anything about fighting.
>>13581659
ah /aceg/, truly a wretched hive of scum and memery.
>>13581690
fuck off Prec
>>13581716
F-22 a shit.
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>>13581716
kek
>>13580790
You see it in the new trailer for episode 3, albeit briefly and in motion.
Is there anything better than your former enemy thanking you for stopping him?
>>13578537
Overall, was the Core Booster better than the G-Armor?
>variable configurations
>would logically transport the Gundam faster than the Gunperry
>artillery power of a flying tank
>>13580439
>>13580419
>>13580361
IIRC this was the version of the GP03 featured in the Gundam EVOLVE short.
>>13578990
Don't try to make sense of Minovsky particles, they do whatever is necessary to render the OYW into World War II IN SPACE and they get separately attached to any other technology created for stylistic purposes. Things that get around the limitations created by them (ie optical band sensors, laser communication) get applied inconsistently based on plot needs. Gundam is not actually about the technology.
>>13578801
It's remarkably easy to shield a toy robot, You're looking at a couple extra kilograms of mesh, foil and wiring. You could do it in a day.
Now hardening military missiles? With the understanding that you need to harden all sensors, processing, guidance and actuation?
That's quite a bit harder, especially since it's not a known quantity of interference, so you need to make "Hard" missiles of significantly weaker effectiveness so reliability doesn't take a nosedive in multi MS engagements.
Remember that scale is a bitch in both directions: Taking something complex and making it smaller is damn near impossible, but taking the simple solution and scaling it up is nearly as awful.
>>13578571
You would need a maneuverable missile to accomplish that, and air-to-ground missiles usually aren't. Furthermore, you could just put flares on the mobile suits to render the heat seekers moot. Lets not forget that heat seekers only have a rank of 5km which puts the plane well within range of vulcan fire.
>>13578469
1. Confess your feelings to your true love
2. Say "IT'S A GUNDAM!"
3. Say "What is this mobility?!"
4. Explodo
>>13580143
>wanted to do away with all boarders as they were cause of war.
Wait...how does having someone renting a room in my house cause war?
>>13579118
>Decide to use beam funnels
>Need to mount special recharging equipment on the mobile suit so they can be reused
>Not impossible to dodge, even unnamed Stark Jegan pilots can do it
>Funnel gets destroyed
>Mobile suit is down a funnel until it (possibly) gets a replacement
>Decide to use funnel missiles
>Just mount some launchers so you can fire them
>Much harder to dodge
>Funnel missile gets destroyed
>Just launch more and restock next time you're at base
I'd imagine, with nearly 30 years passing since Psycommu weapons were invented, they'd be able to produce them much more easily.
Basically you have to do what the Americans did when fighting the Zero in WW2, by refusing to dogfight against a design with superior low speed maneuvering capability.
With guns this can be done by exploiting your superior climb rate and dive speed by ascending to a greater altitude and diving at the mecha at high speed and firing a burst of gunfire at it. If you kill it, it dies and you win. If you don't kill it, the speed you built up in your dive lets you speed right past and escape much faster than it can catch up with you.
With missiles this can be done without ever seeing the mecha with your own two eyes, hitting it with hypersonic missiles from over the horizon.
>>13588539
>the speed you built up in your dive lets you speed right past and escape much faster than it can catch up with you.
except when the mecha does some SAMURAI STRONK LIEK NIPPON and does his way of the samurai bullshit with a giant katanah using The Force to sense when to wave it and cut down your jet when it screams past at Mach 2.5
>>13588511
Is this supposed to be bait
>>13588575
>Launch a dozen funnels
or
>Launch a million bajillion funnel missiles
The choice is yours, white boy.
>>13588566
You seem upset that some people have a thing called "reflexes" and "hand to eye coordination".
>>13589440
Not to mention the increasingly powerful battle computers that are constantly calculating and predicting enemy trajectories.
In fact if anything in the original, it was the Gundam's 'learning computer' that was its main advantage rather than its armour or weapons, at least by the end.
