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Who wins
Batman.
We've had this retarded power level wank thread a million times before.
Isamu in blindfolded and throwing knives at basara
Does he get a lucky hit or does basara dodge them?its an unanswerable question
>>13577511
Jenius
>>13577511
BUT WHY ARE THEY FIGHTING
Thoese guys would not fight without reason thus no one wins because they wouldn't fight.
>>13577511
>gives amuro his strongest mech
>max gets his first
Biased as fuck. Max still wins.
>>13577521
Is Basara singing?
They should both pilot Valkyries because Valkyries are better than Gundams.
>>13577528
There are tons of bullshit political nonsense to can do to make the feddies and Macross people fight
>>13577511
We had pretty much this same thread around a month back and it was filled with some Huelander insisting Amuro could close to melee and wreck Max. He was unable to understand that a VF is faster and that, in space, you can face an enemy while still moving away from them and never slow down (in fact, you will probably speed up).
>>13577528
Power level threads are autistic but the guy who goes
>lol theyd b freins :)))
are the worst part about it
>>13577556
>newtype on a valkyrie
>>13577571
And the people who comment on others without contributing are the best.
>>13577586
>>13577571
Amuro won but they will be freinds :))
Can Amuro win Milia's heart or would the majesty of his exposed, massive, throbbing Newtype soul drive her away?
>>13577624
Can Amuro win a knife fight with Milia?
>>13577628
If amuro gets a rapier, yes.
>>13577714
That wouldn't be a knife fight now would it?
>>13577511
I dunno who wins in battle, but Max definately wins at life.
>>13577735
It's kinda freaky how Miria and daughter #1 look almost exactly the same.
>>13577743
I suppose that was the point of her being Komilia (literally "little Milia").
>>13577511
We have been over this before.
Amuro's funnels are basically worthless against Max, because Funnels are best whent hey are overwhelming the enemy with more targets than they can handle at once, and Amuro doesn't carry enough funnels to come up to par with the bullshit number of enemies that Max fights on a regular basis already.
The VF is faster and more maneuverable than the Nu. It is worse in close combat, but there is literally no reason for him to ever be that close in the first place.
There is some question as to whether or not the gunpod of the VF1 can effectively damage the Nu, but honestly odds are good because by the time that the Nu Gundam was made the Feddies had been dropping armor left and right for years because it was worthless against beam weapons and going for dodgetanking instead. So even if not fully effective, chances are good that the Gun Pod can damage the Nu.
This becomes a non-issue if Max is allowed to deploy with a Strike pack on his VF, which has an electron beam weapon on it which is plenty strong enough to hurt the Nu.
So it could go either way, but Max is going to be hitting Amuro a lot more often than Amuro is going to be hitting Max, simply because Macross fights at longer distances than mobile suits and has superior speed, so the windows where Amuro has the chance to return fire at all are pretty slim. Normally Amuro's newtype intuition would give him the edge he needs to win, but Max is an absurdly good pilot so that alone won't cut it this time.
It should be noted, however, that if Max was in even a VF from Macross Plus, Amuro would be BTFO handily. The only thing that makes this a challenge at all is the fact that Amuro is in his strongest MS and Max is in the most basic VF.
>>13577816
but muh newtype hax
>>13578380
but muh Jenius hax
>>13577816
>The VF is faster and more maneuverable than the Nu. It is worse in close combat, but there is literally no reason for him to ever be that close in the first place.
Max could still punch and kick him. And judging by the dents his VF causes to this Regult I'd say it would do some considerate damage.
The fact that you have to give Max his worst mech and Amuro his best means that you acknowledge Amuro would get BTFO in anything that isn't severely stacking in his favor.
>>13577628
They'd be friends
>>13577511
>Who wins
We all do, anon.
>>13577529
VF-1J is from the second half of the series, Max's first was a VF-1A.
Either way, unless we're giving Max the Reaction Missiles there's nothing on a VF-1 that can kill the Hi-Nu. Maybe if Max steals one of the beam sabers, but with the VF not having the energy conduits in the arm that the post-Alex Gundams have it would only last a little while. Plus there's the problem of Amuro having magic thinking powers AND fannels.
>>13579732
There's no difference in performance between the different VF-1 models. If the gunpod on a VF-1 can blast through the hull of a zentradi warship and destroy zentradi machines which are made of space metal then there's no reason to think it couldn't do the same to the Nu Gundam.
>>13577743
>It's kinda freaky how Miria and daughter #1 look almost exactly the same.
Almost as big as a shocker as a child looking similar to a parent!
>>13579732
The Strike Pack of the VF-1 has a beam cannon, that's defunitely going to hurt the Nu.
>>13580189
>Strike Pack
OP pic does not have a Strike Pack. It's not even the DYRL version so its pack would not have a beam cannon, only missiles.
>>13581049
It works both ways, the OP pic also doesn't have a beam rifle or shield for the Hi-Nu.
And if the location is space, the standard loadout would have a Super pack or Strike pack, the only difference between the two is the booster with the beam cannon.
>>13579486
The Nu is a lot fucking bigger, has a sword, and is designed primarily around close combat. There's no reason for Max to enter that sort of engagement at all.
Amuro Rei.
>>13581126
12 million years in MS paint.
Which version do you want?
>>13581065
> It works both ways, the OP pic also doesn't have a beam rifle or shield for the Hi-Nu.
Good point.
Which leaves Amuro with Vulcans, Beam saber, and the funnels only. Of those, the only weapon thats actually capable of being a threat to Max (given his movement advantage) is the funnels, and even those are not going to be enough since its basically just "throw six Regults at him", which barely even counts as a distraction for Max.
So, going purely by their most basic loadouts, this turns into "can ammo made by fictional space metal get past armor made by fictional space metal?" Which is inherently unanswerable since the properties of both are sort of poorly defined.
>>13581473
Or you could just assume that both have weapons that damage each other so that the question is actually answerable regardless of the "reality" of the situation.
Or just put them both in a Zeta (or derivative) so that they both have a unit somewhat suitable for them and go from there.
>>13581492
> Or just put them both in a Zeta (or derivative) so that they both have a unit somewhat suitable for them and go from there.
I'm pretty sure that putting Max in basically any Mobilesuit counts as a handicap, because the machine is fundamentally incapable of letting him use his superior piloting skill. Mobilesuits explicitly run on macros instead of fine pilot control, and they lack the high speed and maneuverability capability that he usually operates at. He would probably still be a great mobilesuit pilot, but much of his talents would be wasted for lack of an ability to use them in that machine.
>>13581473
Don't forget that if this battle is on earth then Amuro can't use funnels.
>>13581514
I don't think mobile suits have ever been explicitly shown to operate using macros. On the other hand variable fighters probably use them too if mobile suits do for the same reason - it's much easier to pilot a giant robot that way than with pedals and joysticks alone.
Also, Max's strength is that he's a genius pilot that can get the hang of almost anything immediately.
>>13581566
Or fly.
>>13581579
>it's much easier to pilot a giant robot that way than with pedals and joysticks alone.
Max did make his VF wear a uniform though, I don't think that was macros.
>>13581626
Yeah. And VFs are shown to pilot basically the same as Jets, to the point that Hikaru using just piloting experience was able to manage plane and gerwalk mode pretty well, though obvious he had no idea what he was doing with Batroid mode and quickly fell over.
There are switchs for things like handling the transformations, but by and large they really do just seem to work off of fly by the seat of your pants joysticks, whereas Gundams are about inputting computer commands.
I'm amazed this hasn't been posted yet.
>>13584830
> name and tripfags get excited over numbers and gets
Shocking.
>>13577511
The audience.
>>13581175
Amuro in Rei's body is best of both worlds
>>13577816
On the other hand, beam weapons tend to travel at relativistic speed. As long as Max gets in range there's a risk Amuro will hit him. Add in Newtype Hax and Max has a very thin margin of error.
WE STICK THEM IN BALLS
BALL FIGHT
>>13584971
>On the other hand, beam weapons tend to travel at relativistic speed.
No they don't? People dodge beam weapon shots all the time. Beam weapons in Gundam don't shoot any kind of energy that would travel at that sort of speed like a laser, they just shoot fusion plasma, which is a basically superhot gas in a minovsky bottle.
If Beam weapons shot their ammo at relativistic speeds, since their ammo has mass, the Mobilesuit would be sent ROCKETING backwards by newtonian physics. Also, UC would by definition have relativistic spaceflight tech that could get them to Jupiter and back in about a week, because there would be no difference between a beam weapon and a very powerful thruster.
>>13585050
Not to mention the fights would be hilariously short as no one would ever dodge anything. Even if Newtype shenanigans were pumped to the max, patterned volley fire or beam shotguns would end their predictive dodging instantly, especially if there's a computer in charge of it.
>>13585057
Hmmm... if beams weapons WERE relativistic, the fact that they are super hot actually wouldn't even matter. Hitting an enemy mobile suit with a jet of relativistic plasma would blast that MS to smitherines and then overpenetrate just based on the kinetic energy alone. That MS would be turned into a deadly shotgun blast of remaining plasma and molten mobilesuit, doing massive damage to any mobile suit unfortunate enough to be behind it.
Also, beam weapons would be suicide if used on Earth, because the friction of using a relativistic weapon in an atmosphere would create turn the air itself directly in front of the barrel of the gun into plasma, creating a massive explosion directly in front of you ball of beam weapon plasma that still has not fully left your weapon yet. So, at best, pulling the trigger means a grenade goes off at the tip of your weapon. Worst case scenario this makes your weapon blow up too. None of this is a threat to the enemy you were aiming at unless they were trying to knife fight you.
tldr: Beam weapons being relativistic is laughably impossible given evidence and even basic science.
>>13585050
But lasers do.
>>13585999
Lasers do... what?
>>13586117
Lasers do...travel at relativistic speeds (like a laser) in Gundam I assume he means. I don't think lasers saw much use in UC though, and the Nu and Hi-Nu certainly don't have them to my knowledge - not even as optional extras for variants like the Heavy Weapons Hi-Nu. About the only time I can recall lasers being used in Gundam is Wing.
One of the VF-1 Valkyrie packs might have one though I guess - can't recall off hand.
>>13586151
Ironically, I feel like in Gundam Laser weapons were deemed 'impractical' and basically never used with the exception of one or two mobile armors of the week. Beam weapons all day erry day.
Certain Valkeries have twin lasers mounted on the 'head' of the Battroid. They usually get used for shooting down incoming missiles while in robot mode, but more than once they have been used to cut open a hole in a wall so a Valk/its pilot can get through it without having to blow it up.
>>13586211
Lasers are obsolete before the OYW even starts. Laser-based warships in the EFSF were decommissioned entirely before even 0070.
>>13586235
Why did the EFSF even HAVE laser-based warships before the OYW? Who were they fighting? And what, if anything, were the lasers effective against?
>>13586274
Aliens
>>13586274
>Who were they fighting? And what, if anything, were the lasers effective against?
>>13586274
LOGH leads into UC
>>13586211
>Certain Valkyries
Actually, almost all of them have a head laser.
The grunt models(VF-1A, VF-25A, VF-11, etc) usually have one headlaser.
Squad commanders usually have 4.
Variants like the VF-1J and VF-25F which are reserved for better pilots have a pair of headlasers.
>>13581175
>>13590865
More like Char Captor.
>>13577563
I remember that dude. Good times.
What the Gundam uses as a weapon, the plasma. The VF-1 uses as a thruster.
