I NEED SUBS
Images are sometimes not shown due to bandwidth/network limitations. Refreshing the page usually helps.
You are currently reading a thread in /m/ - Mecha
You are currently reading a thread in /m/ - Mecha
![[USP RAWS] Cyborg 009 vs. Devilman - 02 [720p] [FB0F29B2].mkv_snapshot_01.02_[2015.12.01_19.57.13].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9r2faOF.jpg "[USP RAWS] Cyborg 009 vs. Devilman - 02 [720p] [FB0F29B2].mkv_snapshot_01.02_[2015.12.01_19.57.13].jpg")
I NEED SUBS
>>13574501
so true
>>13574501
Francoise is cute!
>>13574652
Right though you are, you just reminded me that waifufags are a thing even for something like Cyborg 009. Not that I can blame them since Ishinomori makes some really cute and beautiful girls, but still. Guess they exist for anything.
>>13574656
There's waifufags for everything mate
If you were ask a group of normalfags about TDKR for example, you're guaranteed to get at least one lecherous comment about Anne Hathaway
>>13574666
Very true Satan, very true.
>>13574666
Only Japan took it to patological levels though. There's a diference between finding a fictional character hot and delluding into a virtual relationship with that character
>>13574656
Well there are people that get their jollies off to Jet because his nose reminds them of a big dick. Francoise is a little more normal of a waifu crush and cuter.
Cyborg 009 vs Devilman was a mistake
>>13574718
Whatever you say, Miyazaki
>>13574724
I seriously doubt Miyazaki likes Devilman or Nagai in general. He's probably fine with Ishinomori though
This one was cute too.
>>13574738
>>>/italy/
>>13574656
I get the feeling that the anon you were replying to just wanted to make an Aoi Honoo reference.
>>13574811
By the way HnG finished Blazing Transfer Student.
>>13574811
I wouldn't know since I've never cared for Shimamoto
>>13574656
You should look at the female side of the fandom. Which for some reason, is much larger than the male demographic, at least as far as the western fandom is concerned.
>>13575021
Shimamoto is a just a big fan boy that made it to the industry. He's pretty much the equivalent of any fan who somehow developed great drawing skills. But he's far from being a compelling writer himself, he's mostly about over the top humor, overused jokes and screaming really loud.
I want to find the 2001 series anywhere in any format.
Seriously, what the fuck is up with that?
>>13575053
I am familiar with the man and his works.
>Shimamoto is a just a big fan boy that made it to the industry
You could probably say this about most everyone who got their start in the 80s.
>>13575062
Cyborg 009 just don't get any luck with subs. There's RAWs around for a while waiting for someone to get interest at doing it. The dub is decent enough despite rewritten dialogue and forcing the characters to be constantly talking during silent moments. Gets pretty nonsensical in its liberties near the final few episodes.
>>13575076
>You could probably say this about most everyone who got their start in the 80s.
Well, this is partially true. There's Toriyama, though. He's nothing close to the big names of the past, but he was a natural talent. He just didn't put as much effort into doing something great or ambitious, he just wanted to tell his poop jokes and make a living out of that. He supposedly didn't care much for manga, he just enjoyed watching Astro Boy, Ultraman and Gamera movies, which is the closest of being a fan he ever got.
>>13575123
Everyone's a big fan boy of something, though it may not necessarily be what they decide to go into.
>>13575076
Why only 80s? People of creative professions enjoy their work the most.
>>13574705
>Only Japan took it to patological levels though. There's a diference between finding a fictional character hot and delluding into a virtual relationship with that character
Yeah Americans just shoot people because they're obsessed with actors they've never met.
>>13575088
>Sub: Joe, where do you want to fall?
>Dub: I know, me too. You don't have to say it.
>>13575271
Artists from post-war Japan got their inspiration from movies, books, science, history, theater, music, everywhere. Artists who grew up reading them got their inspiration only from other manga artists and never beyond that scope. They got progressively worse because they never tried to do better than the previous generation. They just copied their stuff, and then artists from the generation after that started copying the copy. And by doing that, they managed to be even more popular, eventually resulting in the existence of stuff like Shonen Jump, where popularity is put over quality. If you don't sell, you're no good. And eventually, any sign of creativity in the industry will die.
>>13574666
> you're guaranteed to get at least one lecherous comment about Anne Hathaway
That's a different thing altogether. AH is fucking hot in that suit, but the waifu thing is more about liking both the personality and the design. Not to mention that AH is 3DPD
>>13575667
>>13574501
Me too.
>>13574807
No he has a point. Nagai is probably too crude and sexual for Miyazaki, he prefers fetishising pure young maidens and World War II planes, Uncle Go doesn't really do either. Hayao and Leiji Matsumoto would probably really get on well together were it not for the fact that he would find Leiji's work ethic disgusting and that their political views are polar opposites. Ishinomori he probably finds too bleak. I know Miyazaki hates Tezuka for both pigeonholing the entire anime industry and for an incident in his twenties when he realized every single one of his show pitches were just ideas Tezuka had already done in manga.
>>13574656
>>13574666 is right, but simply saying a girl is cute doesn't immediatly means you're into "waifuism" you know. I call it waifuism because it's pretty much a sect or religion. But you can find a female character cute, with a nice personality, even to the point of marrying her if she was real, and also a good written character, withotu owning hundreds of dollars of figures and goodies related to her.
But anyway what I mean is it's bad to see the bad everywhere. You should have more faith in people anon.
A reminder that Axl-Fox is still butthurt about the whole thing
>>13578186
And the grass is green, the sky is blue. Meh, forget her and let her stew. Let her be the Clawshrimpy of her fandom.
Otherwise I noticed threads ago, you'll get someone to make some attempt at a new SPIC POSTER style thing about people that bring her up.
But yes, stories of her butthurt do get around and she's kind of infamous to some Devilman people. Which I suspect why she got brought up in the first place.
>>13577964
Oh, could you elaborate on that incident?
>>13578164
I know, It's just something I felt like bringing up. Did not mean to imply that that anon might have been a waifufag or anything like that, especially since I agree with him anyway. It would be stupid to assume that just because somebody likes a character for some reason it means they're a waifufag, especially since it's easy to tell waifufags from people who just like something from a mile away.
>>13578385
No, I remembered that all wrong. He realized his art style was too derivative of Tezuka's when he was young. He loved Tezuka's sci-fi trilogy apparently, Metropolis, Nextworld and Lost World. They're all science fiction stories with a strong ecological bent, not hard to see their influence on Nausicaa and Laputa.
>As a boy, Miyazaki loved the early manga of Osamu Tezuka, the creator of "Astro Boy." But as Miyazaki struggled to find his artistic voice, he rejected that influence: "When I was finally forced to admit that my drawings actually did look like Tezuka's, I took out the sketches I had stored in the drawer of our dresser and burned them all. I burned them and resolved to start over from scratch, and in the belief that I needed to study the basics first, I went back to practicing drawing and draftsmanship. Yet it still wasn't easy to rid myself of Tezuka's influence."
>>13578437
Thanks for sharing, that's interesting.
>>13578437
How interesting that he did not want people to see Tezukas influence on him.
>>13578437
>He loved Tezuka's sci-fi trilogy apparently, Metropolis, Nextworld and Lost World
Lost World created moe. True story
>>13578463
And Macross and Rumiko Takahashi popularized it
Is anyone working on this?
>>13577964
Is there anyone in the anime industry that Miyazaki would actually like? The only person I can think of is Anno, but that's only because Miyazaki basically kick-started his career in many ways.
>>13578186
who is this person, So i can avoid them
>>13577964
>No he has a point. Nagai is probably too crude and sexual for Miyazaki, he prefers fetishising pure young maidens and World War II planes
I actually agree with Miyazaki about how cancerous otakus are to the anime industry but this is still funny
>>13580020
He thinks Anno has talent but he also thinks the things he makes are shit, that's partly why he never let him touch Kushana. "He'd just make it about battles and war machines". He's meant to be friends with Isao Takahata but he talks shit about him behind his back all the time. Miyazaki doesn't really like anyone or anything (except Robert Westall for some reason).
>>13580022
See>>13578372, the Clawshrimpy of the Cyborg 009 fandom.
>>13580074
To be fair, trashing a fellow author is often a sign of deep respect and admiration, also a fear of being overshadowed. This is as old as art itself.
>>13577964
Ishinomori doesn't look so far from Miya-san's tastes. Both are environmentalists with sympathy toward pacifism and open contempt toward militarism. Miyazaki can be very bleak too. Just my 2 cents because I've never met Miyazaki
>>13580022
an autistic 009 fan who hats the films with a passion for no discernible reason and sent any 009 fans who seemed positive to the idea a shit ton of hate, then proceeded to do it to a few major devilman fans. Zombietango and a general mecha blog got it the worst
>>13580094
Well, you can't entirely be sure if she's the one that sent the hate to those blogs. That's always been the problem in that whole deal.
At the very least, she's obnoxious and loud but really not worth paying mind to in the end. Otherwise it plays into giving someone like that more attention than they really deserve.
As for Miyazaki, I think he'd probably be more lenient towards Ishinomori than towards Nagai.
>>13580020
Miyazaki likes a lot of people and is friends with them, like Anno, Oshii, and Takahata, but he absolutely detests their work because it goes against all his personal philosophies. But the matter of fact is, he can be friends with them because they are very different from him. Anno, for example, is a damn Otaku nationalist who revels in commercialism. Yet Miyazaki is like his father. I see Miyazaki as someone who can easily discern the art from the artists, which I find is a very good quality to have.
It should be worth noting that the type of people Miyazaki outright dislikes are the ones who are the most similar to him. He decries Otaku, especially "gun nuts", but those are both things that he is. He and Tomino also try their best to stay away from one another even though are ideologically almost identical. And as stated before, one of the people Miyazaki hated the most was Tezuka himself, who was equally as much of a perfectionist workaholic as he is.
I imagine that many people with Miyazaki's personality type would be the same way. For example, Mamoru Nagano, who is another insane perfectionist artist, doesn't really like Miyazaki at all, even though both are artistically inspired by the exact same thing (European art and fairy tales) and have the exact same fetishes (machines and young girls). So much so that Nagano actually preferred the first Lupin movie (Mystery of Mamo) over Miyazaki's Castle of Cagliostro, naming it as one of his top 5 movies of all time. I imagine having Tomino as his father figure didn't really help him appreciate Miyazaki more either.
>>13580495
>He and Tomino also try their best to stay away from one another even though are ideologically almost identical.
And the same age and level of influence on the anime industry too, I must add.
>>13574501
The 2001 series needs proper subs way more.
Considering it's 14 years old now and still not completely available in a consistent quality or even in English
>>13578164
Remember that "hundreds of dollars of figures" would be like, one figure. Try thousands.
>>13580495
>For example, Mamoru Nagano, who is another insane perfectionist artist, doesn't really like Miyazaki at all
Pretty sure the main reason Nagano doesn't like Miyazaki was because FSS's biggest manga competitor back in the 80's and 90's was Nausicaa. Both were the leading titles of the top 2 anime magazines of the time (Animage and Newtype), IIRC, Nagano even once said that one of the reasons he set up the timeline and bizarre leaping time structure of the manga was so that FSS could differentiate itself from Nausicaa, because the two settings were too similar due to the Dune influences.
>>13580506
Yeah but unfortunately sub groups say no due to it being old and licensed. Even though in reality Sony's license to territories outside Japan expired back in 2010 and it's in a legal limbo.
>>13580501
Its hilarious how far apart their personality's are though.
Lets say you are sitting next to one of the two watching something done by the other one. Miyasaki would be denouncing the entire thing all puffed up and clearly agitated over what ever slights there are. Tomino would laugh put on a big smile and slowly lean over to you and tell you that he things Miyasaki is a pedo while making his tomino face while a little girl does something onscreen
>>13580549
Yeah, I'm sure part of the reason Miyazaki always comes off as a self-hating pessimist has to do with the fact that he's in denial about what he likes. Tomino is much more open about it and much happier as a result (nowadays).
Miyazaki once even wanted to make a sequel to Porcor Rosso and an OVA about pigs piloting a tank that kidnap a little girl. But he couldn't make either because that would ruin his image. So instead he does it in manga form. I think he would have been much happier drawing the Nausicaa manga for the rest of his life than directing movies.
>>13580518
I would like to see the interview where he said that, but English interviews with Nagano have all disappeared off the internet. L-Gaim undoubtedly played a larger role in influencing the structure of FSS than Nausicaa, but Nausicaa did come out a couple of years before FSS, so I can imagine him saying something like that.
Then again, Nausicaa finishing in the early 90's would explain why FSS started having so many delays soon after. Nagano probably lost some motivation.
>>13578186
>disgusting cliches
>Jun Kawagoe's straight directing style hasn't changed for over a decade
If it really is axl-fox, then she's pretty much a huge hypocrite.
If anyone likes the 2001 anime, I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't like this OVA. At most they'll probably get a "meh" reaction, but other than that, there's literally nothing in it that could possibly upset 009 or Devilman fans (apart from the fact that it's a crossover). The OVA introduces new characters, but the continuity is never fucked with that much, which is funny considering that Kawagoe also did New Getter and Shin Jeeg and we know how they turned out to be, canon wise.
![[USP RAWS] Cyborg 009 vs. Devilman - 03 [720p] [5BD43894].mkv_snapshot_37.46_[2015.12.04_00.57.52].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vuevrIO.jpg "[USP RAWS] Cyborg 009 vs. Devilman - 03 [720p] [5BD43894].mkv_snapshot_37.46_[2015.12.04_00.57.52].jpg")
I hope the sequel actually comes.
>>13580506
The 2001 series is pretty much a lost cause. They have to reboot the series again as per tradition.
And no, 009 RE doesn't count.
The main problem with the OVA is that the universes don't blend at all. The cyborgs do their own thing, Akira and Ryo do their own thing and Miki is moe. It looks more like 2 different OVAs mixed together rather than a crossover.
Not sure if it was my fanboyism toward Akira/Ryo but it seems like Ryo made an obento to Akira on the first OVA and even Miki made a gay joke about it.
>>13581503
Rather not get on the subject of that one, but from experience, if it were her confession wouldn't she sound more ragey and indignant? Possible it's someone else, since some other 009 and Devilman fans were pissed about it too.
But honestly the fact that it even was a crossover is pretty much why those few 009 fans were so angry. They wanted a new TV series, they felt this was mocking their hopes and dreams. And that crossing 009 with something they loathed like Devilman was just a big betrayal and middle finger to them.
At worst, the OVA could be seen as a fillery story not based in the original source. And then for a crossover, Devilman fans get the shorter end of the stick.
>>13582504
Imagine if the next 009 project is the ever fabled 009 Re: Cyborg sequel.
Dragon Fist, Majuu Sensen, Otokogi and Taiman Blues subs never
Raws of Bad Boys and 5001年ヤクザウォーズ nowhere
>>13582515
> that the universes don't blend at all.
I disagree because I thought they actually did. They didn't exactly clash the universes like in your typical OVA. Instead, they made Devilman part of the Cyborg 009 universe by having 75% of the OVA to be Cyborg 009 centric.
This story could have been any arc in the original manga. Kawagoe and Hayakawa even went to lengths to fit the story in the 009 continuity, making it take place directly after the Mythos Cyborg arc.
And if you actually have a look at the Mythos Cyborg arc in the manga, it actually makes the existence of Devilmen plausible. Heck, look at God's War where they actually have demons attacking.
>>13582594
Cyborg 009 already had a proper anime adaptation. Devilman never had that.
There were a whole lot more reasons to be mad as a Devilman fan than a 009 fan.
>At worst, the OVA could be seen as a fillery story not based in the original source
It's a completely original story, of course it's filler. That said, this was good filler. Filler that could have actually taken place since the staff made it fit in 009's original manga continuity. Heck, they even used Helena (instead of Artemis) in the Mythos Cyborg arc. That's some manga fan dedication right there.
>>13582515
>Universes dont blend
>both have the exact same themes and a messages and even a heavy religous themed ending where angels are the bad guys.
>What a kcuc
>>13582594
>Devilman fans get the shorter end of the stick.
We got animated manga style Dosu-Roku, thats all we needed
>>13574705
>Only Japan took it to patological levels
We in America could only be so lucky if our brand of crazy stopped at message board postings and bowing before pictures on trains. This is the country that had women from age 10 to fucking 50 pledging their allegiance to fictional vampires and werewolf camps.
>>13585794
>This is the country that had women from age 10 to fucking 50 pledging their allegiance to fictional vampires and werewolf camps.
I don't see how that's worse than the waifu faggotry. In fact, most of those women moved on from Twilight to The Hunger Games or 50 Shades and they'll move on to something else later
>>13574501
I've been meaning to rewatch some 009, but I don't remember which series I watched (it was like 18 years ago).
Which series is the best one? Are they all worth watching?
>>13585794
>message board postings and bowing before pictures on trains
Don't forget about that one guy who legally married a Nintendo DS with a copy of Love Plus in it.
>>13585917
The best is the 2001 series, which is likely what you might have watched if you catched Cartoon Network.
>>13585939
Not American so no, I think it was one of the older ones.
Still, I'll give the 2001 one a watch. Thanks.
>>13585866
I mean it is just waifu faggotry.
It's exactly the same, except maybe more sensationalist.
>>13585964
You might have seen the 1979 series.
It's good but dated. Kazuhiko Inoue was a good 009. The 2001 anime is another good bet.
>>13585917
>>13585939
>>13585964
>>13586046
Or you know, you can read Ishinomori's original manga.
>>13585970
Not really. Most of those girls didn't quit to the real world or having real relationships, neither obsessed over the purity of their "idols". They may be some weirdos but they're a very small minority. Meanwhile, the anime industry is openly aimed to weirdos
>>13587882
I've actually talked to one of these genuine otaku waifu fags when I was in japan, I asked them why he's so obsessed about the purity of their waifu when they themselves jumped somewhat regularly from one "waifu" to another, even called him a slut for it and no better than the "normies" they often say are liars and cheaters, japanese otaku ragetears are delicious.
>>13587882
That's really a special breed of otaku doing shit in your pic though.
Back in the day a lot of popular anime/manga waifus were love interests of the MCs or otherwise.
Now the character, or their voice actors aren't even allowed to interact with another male or your pic happens.
Still awaiting subs.
>>13586096
It depends how much of it you can find.
Tokyopop only does up to Yomi and the translation's got issues.
The scanlations go a bit out of order depending on what edition the fans use as the source. HnG was going to use the new Complete edition from ebookJapan, but their 009 project is still yet to start.
>>13582497
Everyone would be fucked by Satan in the sequel, unless they lock Akira and Satan in a room to actually fuck and talk about things like they did in Devilman Lady.
>>13582530
They paralleled Francoise and Ryo finding their loves and carrying them wounded.
>>13587925
>leaving your waifu
he deserves it
>>13582530
>>13591744
Kawagoe is definitely an Akira/Ryo shipper. Pretty much every person into Devilman ship Akira/Ryo, except for that guy from Devilman G and arguably his OTP is Amon/Miki while Akira is dead and Ryo is on vacations
Superior crossover
>Cyborg 009 vs Kekko Kamen
>>13593037
Kawagoe also joked to a room of fans and Go Nagai that he wanted to explore Akira and Ryo's relationship if there was a sequel.
>>13591741
Well, there'd be the issue of Satan and also the Yomi arc unfolding. Death everywhere, unless009 and 002 burning up is enough to stop it
>>13593570
Which there won't be. Its sales were good, but not enough to warrant one in my opinion. I heard they have plans for more individual Cyborg 009 or Devilman works but this does mean committing a huge amount of money for either DP or IP.
I'd rather see more crossovers like this one. Kamen Rider vs Mazinger maybe? It would be the first time we'd see animated Kamen Rider, which would be cool.
>>13593071
Nagai loves his references.
>>13594097
>first time
Not really, there was that SD thing in the 90s.
>>13594097
>Nagai loves his references.
Most MoTWs on Kekko Kamen were references to different mangas with the characters or Nagai himself apologizing to the author.
>>13594097
Even if a sequel were to actually be, it'd probably be some years away going by the pattern of the Actas OVAs. So like with what you say, I doubt it'd happen.
It's not in a desperate need of a followup anyway. I'd rather see the separate 009 and Devilman works, or them pay attention to other characters and do some crossovers or reimagining.
>>13593570
Pic related or GTFO, Kawagoe
>>13587882
I don't get this picture. Does he not like the manga?
>>13598422
His reaction to the lead girl having had a relationship sometime before the series started.
>>13587882
It's a matter of proportion. The people you're describing are the very small, obsessive minority of the industry supporters.
Unless you mean 'Idol Otaku,' in which case you got a whole new bag of worms.
