Who is the best mecha designer?
http://strawpoll.me/6139459Sorry if I missed anyone
>>13569245
>no "THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN RESPONSIBLE FOR SRUNGLE" option
anon.
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>>13569245
Vote casted for the underdog of Gundam designers.
I'm more of a Masami Obari fan myself.
I can't wait until that poll is dominated by Syd Mead hipsters who want to further brandish their fedoras.
>>13569245
>Pick one
Fuck you
>>13569245
>27 votes
>Not a single one for Kawamori
Am I really in /m/?
>>13569399
It's good but not the best.
>>13569399
I can't help it if the same guy is behind Ingrams, everything in Galient, and the sexiest units in VOTOMS OVAs.
>>13569399
Shut up, no one's voted for Aramaki or Shirow either and those two are some of the most influential out there.I'm a faggot so I went with Nagano.
>>13569426
>influential
Going by that Uncle Go should be dominating the poll. But influential =/= best, as much as a love Aramaki he isn't tops for me because >>13569416
>>13569399
Yeah but Sazabi and Alphonse and the Kämpfer.
He has such a history and a rich body of work, I just can't go with anyone else.
>>13569245
Why can't we pick multiple? Most of us don't have definitive favorites.
So I remade your poll to include multiple options:
http://strawpoll.me/6139675
>>13569477
>http://strawpoll.me/6139675
Thank fuck, you're a godsend.
>>13569477
Perfect thank you.
>no Yoshinori Sayama or Kenki Fujioka
Why bother
>>13569245
Anybody got the "you got nagano'd" version?
>>13569245
>no Junji Okubo
FUCK YOOOOUUUUUUUUU
IZUBUCHI BOYS
>Nu
>Sazabi
>Hi-nu
>Nightingale
>Kampfer
>Jegan
>Bawoo
>Gogg
>Patlabor
>Capule
>Hygogg
>Alex
>Zudah
>Geara Doga
>Jagd Doga
>Re-GZ
>GM Command
>GM Cold Districts
>Hamma Hamma
>R-Jarja
>GM Sniper II
>Dreissen
these are TOP TIER waifu suits
there need to be a couple different nagano options tbQUITEh
>>13569399
>76 votes
>Katoki at the top
>Still not a single vote for Kawamori
>>13569268
Who designed the Psyco MkII anyways?
>>13569245
I'm biased towards Katoki due to Virtual On.
>>13571691
That's because Katoki is great.
>Nu
>Kampfer
>Alex
>GM Command
Izubuchi's behind 4 of my top 5 gendum robutts (the last being the second Victory) so I can't help but vote for him
>No Ishikawa
I'm kinda disappointed, I love his designs especially the Stelva and whatever the giant football version of Stelva is called.
>>13571742
Wonder what an Izubuchi (Hexa) Victory Gundam would look like
>>13571772
Less LEGS more tacticool I would imagine
>>13570260
>Hamma Hamma
That's no waifu of mine
I love Izubuchi because he fixed the Gelgoog.
>>13571772
Less round (but not to Ebikawa degrees of LINES)
I can definitely see him fixing the cap bit I circled here to make it seem more stern
Why won't you forgive Washio /m/?
>>13571766
>giant football version of Stelva
Stellbomber, and it's less a football version of Stelva and more just a bomber to Stelvas fighter jet. I'm partial to Bodrov, though I do like pretty much every design he's done.
>>13569245
>Okawara is tied for first
I've heard more shit directed at him than any other mecha designer ever. I'm really surprised.though I voted for him too.
I am really stuck on who to vote for,I was gonna go for Yamashita but I'm only really a fan of his Nu and Sazabi redesigns.
However I'm sadly a washio fan and he wasn't on there
Who did mechanical design for Gall Force: Eternal Story?
>Obari
>2nd place
I thought this was a poll for mecha designers, not redrawers.
Good to see that Okawara is still pretty high-up though. Looks like there is still some hope for /m/.
>>13571957
What are some Obari original designs anyway?
>>13571969
Gravions, Shurouga, Chimeraiger. Might be one or two more, but those are the most important ones.
>>13569399
I was torn but I went with Uncle Go.
>>13571981
>Gravions
I thought those were designed by Okawara
>>13571993
I think that's correct. Ignore that one then.
OP how the fuck did you forget Shinkawa?
>>13572027
http://pastebin.com/UFvyYZnL
He should base the next one off of this list and the GEARs link in it. If he feels like trying a redo, that is.
>>13571957
Going by that criteria Katoki shouldn't be on that poll either since 99% of his "designs" are just redraws.
Why the fuck is Obari so high?
He has so few original designs to his name.
All he does is takes other people's designs and redraws them
Even his original designs are redesigns of other people.
What the fuck /m/.
>>13574736
His redraws do look notably different from the originals, but it is pretty stupid, I agree.
>>13573818
>Going by that criteria Katoki shouldn't be on that poll either since 99% of his "designs" are just redraws.
Actually they're fixes. And Katoki has made plenty of originals, so he does qualifies as a mecha designer.
>>13574736
>Why the fuck is Obari so high?
Because /m/ is retarded and can't differentiate between mecha designer and animator
>>13574772
>fixes
7/10
>>13574780
Yes, he fixes Okawara's god awful designs.
>>13574736
>Obari "Designs" List
>Dancouga
Nope. But did a redesign once.
>Dragonar
Nope. Okawara redesigned for the OP.
>Dangaioh
Nope. Kawamori redesigned for the OVA.
>Iczer
Nope. But did a redesign for the OVA.
>Detonator Orgun
Nope. Hiroyuki Hataike redesigned for the OVA.
>Tekkaman Blade
Nope. But did a redesign for the OP
>Fighbird
Nope. Okawara redesigned for the series.
>Dragonfang from Ordian
Redesign of Dragonar.
>Dangaizer
Okay finally, an original.
>Gravion
Okawara redesign.
>Compatible Kaiser
Nope. But a redesign and color swap of Dangaizer.
>Shurouga
Okay another original.
>Dancouga Nova
Nope. Redesign of Murakami.
>Various things for SRWOGIN (Alteisen, Weissritter, Daizengar, Cybuster, Thrudgelmir etc..)
Nope, all redesigns.
>Kimeraiger
Another original, fair enough.
>Various Vanguard Cards
Redesigns and knockoffs of Yuusha robots.
3 originals. Wow.
>>13569245
>http://strawpoll.me/6139459
I protest this poll. Yoji Shinkawa, Tsutomu Suzuki and Naohiro Washio are best designers of /m/ genre.
>>13574829
Then make your own you dummy
>>13569245
>No Kyoshi Takegawa
Fuck this poll.I know his work is extremely derivative, but his lineart, attention to detail, and general approach to aesthetics is 10/10 so I like him a lot.
Who the fuck cares if the mechs are original or redesigns?
Were talking about designers not creators.
>>13574989
Redesigning something is not the same as actually designing something from scratch. Doesn't require near as much creative talent, for one.
>>13574736
>Why the fuck is Obari so high?
SRWfags
>>13575095
They do love their Obari a bit too much. Did not realize there were that goddamned many of them, though.
>>13571875
Hideki Kakinuma.
>>13574736
>Why the fuck is Obari so high?
/m/ is embarrassingly delusional when it comes to Obari. >>13541050
>>13575194
Probably because he usually draws some nice looking robots and has the "one of us" thing going for him. I'm almost certain that the latter point is the bigger contributor in what makes him so popular, though.
>>13575205
>one of us
Obari isn't a loser though and most of /m/ doesn't care for pre-80's era super robots like he does.
>Katoki’s designs usually have a blocky, sturdy look to them that has lead many fans to say his designs are the way giant robots should look.
I'm being trolled aren't I?
>>13575215
Having a hard on for giant robots, I mean. You are right in saying that most of them probably don't care for the same series he does, though. Majority of them probably wouldn't even know who Yoshinori Kanada is.
>>13575233
1. Wing Ver Ka is awesome, fuck you.
2. It certantly looks more believable than Okawara's Wing.
>>13575270
Maybe he doesn't agree with the blocky, sturdy look statement? Or doesn't think that all robots should look that way? I will say that all of those decals over that version of Wing make it impossible for me to take it seriously.
>>13574818
>Dragonfang from Ordian
>Redesign of Dragonar.
NO. You might say it's kinda a ripoff of the Dragonar, but it's not a "redesign."
>>13574818
>3 originals. Wow.
You forgot the DD Battlemover from Bubblegum Crisis.
>>13574818
>>13575344
You also forgot Reddas and Blueba from Iczer-1.
Obari's greatest talent is as an animator and artist, not as a designer.
>>13569245
>No Yoji Shinkawa
So you're basically saying "Who is the best Gundam designer"
>>13575352
And that's why he shouldn't even be on this poll.
>>13575468
>being so much of a pleb that you can't asociate any mecha designer with works outside of Gundam
>>13575560
As expected of Metal Gear fags.
>>13575344
>>13575348
Looking pretty damned Ohata there.
>>13575522
Why not make your own then? Nice double dubs, by the way.
>>13575661
How do you know he's not a ZOE fag instead? Or both?
>>13570260
>a bunch of Gundam suits and "Patlabor"
He's worked in more than two series.
>>13575348
Everyone forgets those two.blueba a bestba
>Obari, a fucking animator, is in second place
>Katoki, a gunpla designer is in first place
>Okawara, an actual mecha designer, is in third, not first
THIS WHOLE SHIT IS HERESY
Do most /m/aggots judge the talent of the designer purely based on what images they've stored in their fucking hard drive?
That embarrassing Obari thread couple days ago was one thing, but this
this is next level
y'all who didn't vote for Okawara needs to fucking fuck off this board
>>13575966
>>Katoki, a gunpla designer is in first place
>>Okawara, an actual mecha designer, is in third, not first
Found the butthurt Okawara fag.
>>13575974
fuck you
the man is a legend
that man deserves way more respect than a fucking haruhifag
>>13575982
>the man is a legend
HAHAHAHAHA!
Okawara is a shit artist and a shit designer, he even said that himself, you deluded Okawarafag.
>>13575988
the man is being humble you deluded cunt
sure he's showing his age nowadays but that doesnt discredit tons of amazing designs he come up with
>>13575996
>the man is being humble you deluded cunt
He's trying to make himself the victim, when he's the only one to blame for not trying to be a better artist.
>sure he's showing his age nowadays but that doesnt discredit tons of amazing designs he come up with
He's always been a bad artist, and after the 80s he's only been churring turd after turd, so yes, I can call him a shit designer.
I mean, how bad of an artist do you have to be to have someone fix your designs?
>>13576002
>have someone fix your designs
that happens ALL the fucking time behind the scenes you ignoramus
you just notice Okawara's more because he's that much of a high-profile guy
he doesn't try make his designs look "cool" because making it look cool is the task for the animators like Obari
The man is literal Bandai Magic
Mcfucking kill yourself you pleb
>>13575966
>>Katoki, a gunpla designer is in first place
>>Okawara, an actual mecha designer, is in third, not first
Are you implying that Okawara isn't a Gunpla designer?
>>13575872
THANKS FOR THE INFO
>>13576120
okawara does both
katoki is only good at gunpla
animators hate katoki
>>13576002
>I mean, how bad of an artist do you have to be to have someone fix your designs?
What is it like having absolutely zero idea how production works
Katoki is the most casual choice, if you picked up some random retard reading natruto at barnes and noble in a Dr. Who shirt and asked him who the best mech designer is, he would say katoki
>>13574818
Don't forget Great Ryugin.
Also, just because the Dimensional Robos share design elements with various Yuusha robots does not mean they are redesigns.
>>13571712
Kazumi Fujita!
One of the very few designers with enough creativity to deviate from the RX-78 sameface.
>>13576274
No, they pick him because he's one of the best, and happen to like him.
>>13576274
Because he's the only one good enough to be well known in the west.
>>13576315
Because he's the only one with at least 5 toy and model kit lines named after him.
>>13576344
Because he's the only one good enough to be worth selling things on name alone.
>>13576315
>Implying the west has taste when it comes to mech aesthetics.
>>13576014
>Jokes on you, animators, I am only PRETENDING to be a shit artist
He's a washed up joke and you just need to admit this.
>>13576151
Katoki hardly ever designs for animation. Most of his portfolio comes from things that were adapted into animation after the fact.
>>13576151
Animators hate Okawara too. Yas himself said that he had to redesign Okawara's initial designs in 0079 into something he could stand to draw.
And as always, gundamfags come and shit up the thread with the usual Okawara and Katoki back and forth bullshit. You guys seem to take the people who draw your chinese robots very seriously.
>>13576370
>Because he's the only one Bandai can afford to shill
You're right.
>>13569245
My favorite is Hideaki Anno because of his god tier designs in Nadia, CCA, Eva
>>13576396
>Yas himself said that he had to redesign Okawara's initial designs in 0079 into something he could stand to draw.
Okawarafags BTFO
Please tell me you have a source.
>>13576468
>Eva
That was Yamashita last I checked.
>>13576473
>Okawarafags BTFO
Really now? Is this what we've been reduced to? ___fags BTFO? I know we're all manchildren, but still.
>>13576489
Butthurt Okawarafag detected.
>Almost 200 votes and no one has voted for Yamashita
Has /m/ finally succeeded in killing off all Evafags?
>>13570260
I honestly really dislike the Alex
its like the least Izubuchi Izubuchi MS
>>13576515
But the Nu is just a recolored Alex with funnels.
>>13576510
Not really. Only Okawara related thing I've ever seen was 0079. Never bothered with anything else involving him, and his art and designs are definitely bad, that much is indisputable, but seeing an anon resort to ___fags BTFO is saddening and a bit pathetic. I expected higher quality discussion from the likes of /m/.
>>13576396
>Animators hate Okawara too.
That would certainly explain why all of SEED and Destiny had some of the worst mecha animation since 0079.
>>13576529
Proving once again that /m/ has not actually watched any robot anime besides 2000s Gundams and OVAs.
>>13576532
Not wanting people to spout stupid shit and actually discuss like normal people is fedora worthy now? Guess I learned a valuable lesson today.
>>13576529
SEED and Destiny designs by Okawara is due to the fact Fukuda explicitly demanded Okawara to be designed like shit
>pls make it look like mechas from the first gundam
>but don't outright copy it pls
>>13576390
>Katoki hardly ever designs for animation.
gee I wonder why
because animators don't like katoki's designs
too hard to animate with, they say
>>13576740
Animators in general can't draw mecha anymore other than a handful of veterans from the 80's. That's why mecha is all CGI nowdays.
>>13576740
yet Unicorn has great animation
>>13576754
there's a distinction between difficult to animate and animating it well
if the designs were done by someone else other than katoki then animators would've had easier time animating the mecha scenes and have more time for the deadline to polish other stuff
>>13576749
we're talking about sunrise animators here though
the undisputed kings of mecha anime
>>13576752
Someone post this to JP twitter please.
>>13576784
But then Unicorn wouldn't be the gorgeous mecha porn that it is. Katoki's designs make half of the movie.
>>13576799
more like gunpla porn
but it's still gorgeous porn, I agree
>>13576740
Considering how many of them make no fucking sense at all.
>>13576754
Most of the stuff that appears for any length of time in the OVA has different animation line art to deal with his fucked up perspective, squished proportions, and inconsistent or non-functional details. That even bleeds into the model kits where the OVA versions fix some of the absolutely fucked posing range of the novel/Ver.Ka ones.
>>13576805
Katoki's designs are just that good. It's also worth noticing that Katoki didn't make Unicorn's MSs to be translated into gunpla, because the first RX-0 MG was a disaster in terms of articulation. He did introduce the idea of an alternate form in the same MS, which Bandai couldn't help but to milk until it was dry.
>>13576817
>katoki's designs are just that good
nah man it's just that the conti men did the job well enough that it overcame the katoki faggotry
I swear, whoever voted for Katoki here clearly never bought a gunpla designed by him.
Decals decals and even more decals.
It took my best buddy, who is even bigger gundamfag than I am, 15+hrs to put all the decals, all 268 of them, on MG Sinanju.
In fact, all of his unicorn shit has so many decals on them.
It's as if he hates us gunplafags.
That guy is king of needless and excessive details.
>>13576855
>That guy is king of needless and excessive details.
That is your opinion.
I prefer decals. They give a sense of scale to gunpla. You don't have to use all of them either, but you act as if every single decal HAS to be put on. Retarded.
>>13576855
i have the MG RX-78 verka
holy shit it's like the worst kit ever, there's no Frame except for the leg, hollow arms, terrible proportion. shit's a mess
>>13573818
>99%
Wait a minute, you are 100% wrong. Katoki has far more original designs than re-drawings of other mecha designer stuff.
GP03
Nero
Zoon
Z'adiacok
S-Gundam
EX-S Gundam
Xeku Eins
Xeku Zwei
Zeta Plus
Tallgeese
Tallgeese II
Tallgeese III
Master Gundam
Nobel Gundam
Walter Gundam
Leo
Ares
Tragos
Cancer
Pisces
Vayeate
Mercurius
Taurus
Virgo
Serpent
Wing Zero EW
Wing Gundam EW
Deathscythe EW
Deathscythe Hell EW
Shenlong EW
Altron EW
Heavyarms EW
Heavyarms Kai EW
Sandrock EW
Sandrock Kai EW
Victory
Victory 2
Death Army
Devil Gundam
Grand Gundam
Gundam Heaven's Sword
Apsalus
Unicorn Gundam
Sinanju
Geara Zulu
Geara Zulu Guards Type
Lotto
Guncannon Detector
ReZel
ReZel Commander Type
Jesta
Neo Zeong
Sturm Gallus
Shamblo
Stark Jegan
Jesta Cannon
Rozen Zulu
Delta Plus
Kshatriya
Anksha
Crossbone X-1
Crossbone X-2
Crossbone X-3
>>13576866
even if you don't have to use all of them, it's still too many decals
if there's a ver.ka tag on it then it's almost always triple amount of decals compared to non ver.ka product
shits fucking unacceptable
>>13576878
>Wing Gundams
>Guncannon DT
>Stark Jegan
>Crossbones
What is it like to be retarded
>>13576878
Not him, but every -single- design in Unicorn was redrawn by him. That alone has more redesigns than your entire list of your original design. This isn't counting all the redrawn lineart he drew for the MG and HGUC line in their infancy, as well as the GFF booklets.
While I'm not going to exaggerate, the majority of Katoki's designs are redraws of others' work.
>>13576512
Most Evafags don't even know who Yamashita is and think the Evas were designed by Anno >>13576468
That being said, his greatest design isn't even from Evangelion.
Have to choose between Takayuki Yanase and Kanetake Ebikawa.
Fuck. Dont make me choose.
>>13576932
Anno did a design but it was very rough and looked like a cross between an Eva and Getter 1.
I'm more surprised at the fact that there are 200 people on /m/ more than the poll itself. I thought it was the same 30 or so faggots.
>>13575348
I'd hazard a guess those were just redesigns of things from the Manga.
>>13576905
Even so that's just Gundam, Katoki has way more original stuff attributed to him than Obari. at the least you know Katoki is a mecha designer.
>>13569245
Kamille Bidan
>>13577157
underrated post
>>13576740
Again, none of Katoki's designs were done for animation, they were just brought into animation.
A designer enters with a different mindset depending upon the medium. Compare his work in Wing and Victory to Banpreios and Unicorn.
Two entirely different mediums helped mold those designs.
>>13577818
Even when katoki is designing with animators in mind, his designs with alot of needless details just makes them that much harder to animate.
Which can't be helped because attention to detail is why his designs are so popular amongst newbies in the fandom.
You've seen the later episodes of 0083?
Shits choppy as hell for a reason.
>>13577157
that's not Pappy Scirocco, anon
his designs are at least one or two generations ahead.
while everyone's designing Zeta-era mobile suits he designs CCA-era mobile suits.
just look at The O, man
thats CCA tech no matter how you look at it
>>13577946
If it doesn't have a psychoframe, you can't really call it CCA-pattern.
>>13577947
early CCA then
thats when everything was more reliable and stable in terms of features, and The O is just that
>>13577946
>one or two generations ahead
>CCA
Most of the shit in CCA is a downgrade from the high end in ZZ. Zeta itself was pretty much still good enough to be the main Gundam.
>>13575160
Thank you.
>>13574829
Fuck, someone else likes Washio?
>mfw
Throne Drei is fucking retarded, and Arche kinda sucks, but he doesn't deserve the hate.
