Can we get a VF thread?
No songs, no waifus, only VFs
>>13485749
>>13485752
>>13485758
Delta wing > swept wing
>>13485770
Wings with rotating mounted engines > delta
>>13485770
Fight me
Nightmares need more love. And by love I don't mean needle nosed cannon fodder Kawamori.
>>13485802
>>13485770
Literally the best Battroid
>super sleek and slim jet fighter
>transforms into a strong and sturdy mech
>>13485833
>>13485857
a harrier?
>>13485859
F-16, looks more like
>>13485805
I like SR-71 wings
I think it's neat how the Messiah incorporates a lot of design elements from past Valkyries. Especially ones that never really got a chance to be animated.
>>13485874
Whoever transformed this fucked up. The crotch plate is wrong and he forgot to open the face.
>>13485805
>>13485928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXTcyGf5zWM
It's too bad the VF-17 wasn't in Macross 30 but at least we got the VF-171 and you can even fly it in Gamlin or Miria colors.
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So the 25 actually does have a hatch like the 19 under the head, although in the first movie the back flap opens so Alto can leave through the canopy.
>>13486361
Hard to say. Maybe Michael just exited from the back.
>>13486371
You can clearly see the hatch and opening into the fuselage though.
>>13485749
fuck you m8 YF-19 is best grill
![[Coalgirls]_Macross_Frontier_Movie_2_-_The_Wings_of_Goodbye_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[D7E20477].mkv_snapshot_01.44.36_[2015.02.05_20.53.13].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DxqpCNi.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Macross_Frontier_Movie_2_-_The_Wings_of_Goodbye_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[D7E20477].mkv_snapshot_01.44.36_[2015.02.05_20.53.13].jpg")
Never enough cockpit views. Here we see the 27 also comes with EX-gear.
>>13486361
>>13486374
I wish I had a better shot of tornado pack.
Hey guys, what about us?
>>13486872
Destroids are cool too. You guys are the groundpounders and you hold the fort.
>>13486872
>playing Macross Triangle Frontier.
>Destroids have an OBSCENE amount of firepower.
Never understood why they're treated lile cannon fodder just because they're grounded...Destroids are fucking powerhouses.
>>13487068
Is that the VF that MD Geist's creator did?
>>13487068
The Koenig Monster is the best destroid to use in MTF.
>Fly around and nuke shit
>one shot them with the cannon shot
>>13487163
The regular guns are where it's at, they shred everything.
>>13487068
Because they're often fighting more faster and agile targets. They're sitting ducks.
>>13485857
This VF is what has me worried about the Draken VFs in Delta.
>>13487405
That it'll resemble the YF-21/VF-22?
>>13485837
I really want the toy of this so badly.
>>13487458
Personally I think it looks terrible in battroid, the proportions are waaaaay off. The fighter looks pretty good though, meanwhile VF-14 never
>>13487592
This. And the umbrella wings above it's head looks dumb.
While I'm not particularly fond of its battroid, the VF-22 Sturmvogel II is one nice bird.
>>13486872
Step aside, Mk. Is.
![tumblr_ngo08eaBRG1sn8553o1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gXi63WT.jpg "tumblr_ngo08eaBRG1sn8553o1_500[1].jpg")
Can Variable Glaugs play too?
This one is pretty neat looking. Shame it's from a ride, I'd like to see it animated.
>>13487837
That's Isamu's first VF in Plus and the cannon fodder VFs in 7.
>>13487862
I haven't gotten there yet, apologies. Starting with the original, and just figured that something based on a ride wouldn't. 'Scuse my faggotry, then.
Stocky VFs only. Skeletons please go.
>>13487837
Hmmm. What's that black thingy sticking down off the bottom?
>>13487862
>That's Isamu's first VF in Plus and the cannon fodder VFs in 7.
No, you're thinking of the VF-11A through C. The VF-11D is a two-seater (as you can see in the picture).
>>13487837
Macross the Ride is a LN actually.
>>13487971
The VF-2 is hardly stocky.
>>13487068
>Metal Siren
>>13487121
>Is that the VF that MD Geist's creator did?
Koichi Ohata, yes. Fucking awful design. He did a great job cleaning up Fujita's VF-2SS though.
>>13488018
It's stockier than the hungry skelemechs we get now. I really don't like how insubstantial the VFs look. Their waists have no support.
![latest[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/I7GhHbF.gif "latest[1].gif")
>>13488045
Son
>>13488052
That's...better, but it doesn't have the charm of the old VF-1s and -2s.
>>13488045
>Their waists have no support.
>>13488069
You say that and post an image of the VF-1 where it has no waist. The entire torso is a cone and the legs plug into the sides.
>>13488144
It's the illusion of form that I mean. I realize that, mechanically, pretty much all VFs have spines for stomachs, but the VF1s have the broad chests and folded up wings to fill out the silhouette and give it an imposing figure.
>>13488152
Not sure I would ever use the word "imposing" to describe the VF-1 but okay.
>>13488175
Imposing!
Stocky!
>>13488301
>>13488306
Do you only like VF-1 derivatives or something?
>>13488410
I'm looking forward to seeing how this thing looks in Gerwalk and Battroid modes.
>>13488442
There's speculation it'll have pretty chunky legs from the lines on the toy. Guess we'll see come new year's.
>>13488479
>no Monster posted
Plz it's my first love
Hey guys.
This thread need more Lucifer.
I really like the VF-5000.
Why? Because the transformation is simple. There's a lot of valks that basically hang together by a fucking thread while they transform. Christ, the VF-1's legs could potentially fall off the body if there was a mistake during transformation.
But this motherfucker? That ain't a problem with this motherfucker.
>>13488824
The legs just swing down using a single joint. No fancy disconnecting-the-hips shit here.
>>13488824
>>13488825
You just pissed off a lot of VF-1 fags. Prepare yourself for the butthurt.
>>13488831
I like it but there's no denying the legs look like they could pop off if you move too fast
>>13488863
The legs literally disconnect from one spot and reconnect to a different spot during the transformation process.
I understand that being the first Valkyrie, it clearly had some flaws, but damn. If you released the connector too soon, the legs would fall away, and you'd suddenly have no engines, no power source, nothing. You'd fall out the fucking sky.
>>13488912
That's a toy diagram son, not an in universe tech manual.
Also MUH SUPER ALEIN SCIENCE says fuck you.
>>13488925
This isn't a toy diagram. This is the actual in-universe design for the transformation.
All the toys use a swing bar attached to the rear torso. Absolutely nothing like what's shown in >>13488912 and >>13488935
Amazingly, the toys therefore have a saner design than the in-universe one, because at least the legs can't detach from the body mid-transformation if a mistake is made.
>>13488912
I imagine a VF technician misplacing one component and getting found out would earn a harsh punishment far in excess of what other technicians in other branches of the military get.
To say nothing of what happens if a VF goes down due to a connector issue and they trace its maintenance log back to that one guy.
>>13488972
>Fuck up during maintenance/part replacement
>Didn't realise it
>Suddenly see a plane return to base soon after take off
>with only one leg remaining
>Shit, I replaced the joints for a VF just now, which one did I work on? #1125? #1123?
>It rolls to the hangar
>Chief checks maintenance logs
>ANNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
>ohgodno.jpg
>>13488985
>Get screamed at by the chief
>The pilot climbs down the plane to beat you up for nearly killing him
They probably have a stringent pre-flight check.
>>13488972
>>13488985
The problem is, this can happen even if there's no mechanical problem whatsoever. On other Valkyries, a maintenance error could cause a joint to fail during operation, but with the VF-1 it's on a whole other level. A software error could cause this. Hell, the first VF-1 models had manual transformation. Pilot error could jettison the engines. That's insane.
Every single other Valkyrie has all of their component parts remain physically connected to one another during transformation. The VF-1 is unique in that a part actually detaches and reattaches during transformation. Again, it's understandable that the first ever Valkyrie would have design flaws. But it's the reason why, no matter how iconic it is, and no matter how its performance is, I can't trust the VF-1, because it's the only Valkyrie where the legs can literally fall off a 100% fully functional, fully maintained unit, under normal operating conditions, because you pushed a button too soon.
>>13488995
>Every single other Valkyrie has all of their component parts remain physically connected to one another during transformation.
Actually the 24+ don't, they use some kind of magnet bullshit so none of the parts contact each other during transformation.
>>13489009
They don't touch each other, as in, they don't touch any other part not involved in transformation, look through the transformations frame by frame.
If you look at the transformatiom scheme, they don't necessarily separate.
>>13489009
They don't separate though. They use contactless actuation, but the joints don't actually separate.
>>13488985
This actually hits closer to home that I'd care for it to because I was involved in maintenance of vehicles during compulsory service.
My forebears left a trail of a jumbled mess on the bookkeeping too, so in the months leading up to the yearly audit we were not only going as straight as possible with our own checks, but inventing new and creative numbers and records for the "black history" of the past year based on what scraps we had and hoping they'd work.
>>13488942
Original vf1 jetfire toys had the best leg transformation joints.
>>13488362
Funnily enough, that wasn't me (>>13488152). Apparently, I'm not alone here. I like VF1s, 2,s and the ones from Plus. Probably some others as well, I'm not entirely well-versed in Macross. I mostly know them from a visual design standpoint.
H-hey guys, can I join your squadron?
>>13490032
>>13490037
>>13489775
>>13489779
D model only please.
>>13485749
But anon, VFs are waifus. VF is abbreviation for VVaiFu, after all!
>>13490212
This.
>>13490032
>>13490037
>>13490043
Hopefully Bandai doesn't fuck up the VF-31 and Drakken toy like they did with their first version of the VF-25...
>>13490512
Well, the VF-31 is a derivative of the YF-30, right? Just with different wings. So they're not jumping in blind on that one.
I have no idea about the Drakken though. I can't even work out how it transforms.
>>13490647
It's mostly a YF-30. Only real difference is the way the nosecone sits now.
>>13490353
Who's that Green haired meltran?
>>13490868
The artist's original character. Don't think she has a name.
>>13490337
oh shit what? Isamu isn't dead yet?
>>13491087
No, surprisingly. I mean Frontier is only 19 years after Plus.
>>13491087
According to Frontier's novelisation, Max and Milia was there as well.
That battle is probably one of the largest gathering of ace pilots in combat.
>>13491182
So Eden was the only successfully colonized planet so far?
>>13491763
And the Vajra planet.
>>13491739
>According to Frontier's novelisation, Max and Milia was there as well.
>According to Frontier's novelisation, Max and Milia was there as well.
>According to Frontier's novelisation, Max and Milia was there as well.
>they didn't show old max and millia killing vajra in their VF-22s
>>13491767
And planet Zola.
>>13491182
>They don't show where Megaroad 01 disappears.
It's not even near the galactic core. The fuck.
>>13491773
>Killing Vajra
After Alto's message to everyone there, I doubt they would do that.
I can see them doing their tagteam flying at ridiculously high speeds and accurately shooting off the implants.
>>13491812
>>13491767
Varauta and the one from the 7 movie too
>>13491763
Nah, just one of the most successful. A second earth, sort of thing.
There's a bunch of minor colonies around, like the one Ranka was from.
>>13491763
It was the first major one.
>>13491864
It takes a huge pointless detour then goes off-screen at 2032, while not even close to the core, yes, but at least going in its general direction now.
Wasn't the date of its disappearance supposed to be 2012?
>>13492285
Maybe that's the predicted flight path based on the original route they were going?
Or that's just the path NUNS is saying they are on when in fact they are missing. They are hiding that fact after all.
>>13487592
I think that's a VA-14, which is a beefier version of the VF-14.
>>13488474
Rumor is that it'll be like the YF-21 and VF-22 in transformation.
>>13491773
You didn't see their blue and red Macross Quarters?
>>13492419
It's just the preliminary design shown in plus and 7 extras, the proper design for M3 is pretty awesome too but I like the blackbird original.
>>13493326
That design is now used for the VA-14.
The Varauta's Az-130 and Fz-109 are redesigned from the VA-14 and the VF-14, respectively.
>>13493369
Toys never.
>>13485749
>no waifus
>not having a VF-22 as a waifu
Damn newfags
>>13494477
Ugly Battroid
>>13487837
Jamming Birds used the VF-11D in Macross 7.
>>13494524
Forgot about that. But they barely did anything in that series.
>>13494542
I think this is the only cannon fodder unit in Macross to not be blown up on screen. RIP VF-11C pilots, you fought bravely.
>>13494513
I like the Battroid mode though very reminiscent of Zentraedi styling, I think the Gerwalk is a little janky though.
>>13494588
The 19 has a really janky gerwalk too.
>>13491739
Where was Fire Bomber during this?
>>13494711
Janky gerwalks must have been a requirement for Project Super Nova
Where the monsters at?
>>13494564
To be fair, SMS pilots are flying the VF-25As, they are better than the average NUNS pilot.
>>13495600
>>13495600
>>13486872
I used to own that exact Phalanx toy when I was really young. I honestly didn't even know what it was at the time and didn't realize it was from Macross/Robotech until much later.
>>13496454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9naVEfHeR4
The Durandal was awesome in Macross 30.
>>13494776
Probably singing to space barracudas or something
>>13494776
Not sure, but they recorded a new album after the events of Frontier
![va-3m-battroid[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/n9Ci0sN.gif "va-3m-battroid[1].gif")
>hi guys what are you doing can I join?
In all seriousness, I love this dumpy all-terrain bastard. It's just so different in a good way.
![va-3m-gerwalk[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/aAiNFKD.gif "va-3m-gerwalk[1].gif")
>>13497871
![va-3m-attacker[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/WHhl3UC.gif "va-3m-attacker[1].gif")
>>13497871
>>13497879
>>13497871
>>13497879
>>13497883
IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
>>13497871
Same. I can just imagine the goofy pilot in the squadron being the one in it, it's so perfect.
>>13498389
>>13498389
I know it's very chunky in plane mode, but the old toy looks so much better than Yamato's. I want to get one some day.
>>13498363
I don't know much about aircraft livery, but I don't think their radio callsign would be painted on there.
>>13499236
That's not their radio callsign, that's the code designation for the prototype. When Guld was dodging missiles and such, Isamu was referred to as Chaser-1. Alpha-1 and Omega-1 are the YF-19 and YF-21.
Still equally odd for the planes' code designations to be painted on, kind of defeats the purpose of a code designation.
>>13499331
Yeah, but wasn't Isamu in a Thunderbolt when he was "Chaser-1?" I remember the 19 having the code Eagle-1 at some point, too, though that might have just been the Movie Edition.
>>13499733
He was. Alpha-1 and Omega-1 are just the pilot callsigns for the YF-19 and YF-21. The YF-19 is called the Excalibur and the YF-21 is the Sturmvogel. And the VF-22 is called Sturmvogel II.
>>13500389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw58J_NlFPg
>>13500427
Ozma really did get into melee more than the other pilots. That's probably why his VF usually has the best melee attacks in the games.
![img_19[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gqbXWg7.jpg "img_19[1].jpg")
>>13498934
I'm hoping that Bandai will consider adding it to their new Hi-Metal toy line. The lack of accessories for the Fire Valk is disappointing, but I still think its the best looking version out there.
>>13501202
They did show a VF-2 and VF-0 so maybe they'll get to it eventually.
>>13501202
The problem with the 17 is the shifting of proportions. Unless Bandai invents some kind of magic material for their toys, a 17 by them will have the same problems.
And is the Hi-Metal line still alive?
>>13503351
http://tamashii.jp/item_brand/hi-metal_r/
Yeah, man. They revived it as Hi-Metal R and they already released an armored VF-1J with a VF-1S Hikaru and Regult coming next. They also teased a VF-0 and VF-2 a few weeks back.
>>13492419
Acording to Macros Chronicle it is the Varauta variant of the VF-14.
Earth sends monkey model designs to fleets and they had to rework the designs for their fleet. This is why Macross 7's VF-19s are more space oriented compared to the VF-19A. This is also why the VF-25, VF-27 and YF-29 are YF-24 derivatives.
Guess the reason why the SV-262 Draken III is an SV is that it isn't a NUNS approved VF and is manufactured by a non-NUN affiliated entity. Much like the Varauta VFs.
>>13503505
>9,504 yens.
For that price you can get one of the old Yamato VF-1s. I hope they'll release a cheaper version without the Strike Parts, I've never been a fan of them.
>>13503720
That's only like $70. Where can you get a Yamato V2 VF-1 for that price?
>>13504832
Beaten to death with your own gunpod. That's rough.
>>13488410
similar engine layout?
>>13505041
And, by the looks of it, on the top deck of the ship you're supposed to be providing fighter escort for, right in front of the main bridge in full view of the bridge crew, by an alien whose faceplate you've shattered but isn't even turning pale, let alone blue.
That's a shit day to be remembered if the pilot ever got out of it alive.
>>13505427
What in the fuck is this
>>13505580
fan concept, based on the F-16. Single engine.
>>13505604
The transformation seems overly complicated.
>>13505580
Shitty fan design.
>>13505041
>>13505459
Note the shattered visor, he dead.
>Ppl are posting the toys
Those, sweet, sweet, addictive valkyrie toys.. I can stop any time I want.
>>13509829
Give me your VF-25G
>>13509829
you have way too much disposable income
>>13508470
that terrible logo ruins another valkyrie
>>13508234
I thought Zentran could survive in space for a little bit unaided? Didn't Breetai do a little EVA when Max went to rescue his scrub teammate?
>>13509829
Nice collection man, the only one I've purchased is Max's VF-22. Really wish I grabbed a VF-4 when they were first coming out though...
>>13512507
The VF-4 toy is kind of awful I think, the proportions are real wacky.
>>13512507
>wish I grabbed a VF-4 when they were first coming out
It might be your lucky day they're being reissued early 2016. Probably taking preorderrs right now.
>>13509829
Is the 171 toy as flimsy as every review I've watched says? Because I love the design, but if the legs and those black triangles are going to break with one transformation...
>>13514084
It's only the green VF-171 that has breakage issues. Alto's and Luca's are fine.
>>13514084
Yeah it's as bad as they say. The failure rate on these must be close to 100% all 4 of my triangles broke on the first transformation and I haven't dared touch it since.
>>13514090
That's bullshit. Bandai should release a 2.0/renewal version with everything fixed.
>>13514092
They kinda did with the EX versions. Those are fine like I said.
>>13514095
I think one of the reviews I watched had the same problems with Alto's plane, but maybe I'm mistaken. The grunt version is the one I wanted, sadly.
>>13513188
Yeah, but it's my favorite VF design.
>>13514055
>reissue for early 2016
Well there goes my holiday bonus
Best valkyrie and pilot coming through
I'm watching the original and I have a question. Why do the Zentradi want the Macross so damn much? They've lost more ships than it would be worth to capture it. Why don't they just blow the damn thing up instead of trying to capture it? Maybe I missed something in the beginning where they said it had some super-technology on it or something.
>>13516210
IIRC protoculture shit
>>13516210
It's powerful and they want it.
Best /m/ couple coming through
>>13516478
I thought it was cool in Macross 30 when Klan was fangirling out at the sight of Miria.
>>13516802
I still need to pick that up, is it good?
>>13519099
It's very good. Only negatives I have about it is the flight cieling is lower than I'd like. I understand why they did this though. And there's some slowdown when there's way too many enemies on screen. Other than it's a really great game and arguably the best Macross game. There's also an in-depth guide to help you so the language barrier isn't that big of a problem.
>>13488025
>Metal Siren
>awful
See >>13514448.
>>13516210
>I'm watching the original and I have a question. Why do the Zentradi want the Macross so damn much? They've lost more ships than it would be worth to capture it. Why don't they just blow the damn thing up instead of trying to capture it? Maybe I missed something in the beginning where they said it had some super-technology on it or something.
In the TV series and movie, it's never made really clear. In Kawamori's retroactive continuity, the Macross is an old "Supervision Army" ship -- the Supervision Army was the Protoculture's military police, if you will. They supervised the Zentraedi, which made up the vast majority of the Protoculture's military forces. Apparently the Supervision Army were destroyed by the Protodevlin along with the rest of the Protoculture, leaving the Zentraedi un-supervised. I guess the Supervision Army's technology musta been way superior to what the Zentraedi would have access to... which makes sense, I guess.
Anyway, that's how I understand it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protodeviln
>>13521181
Hold on.
>Supervision Army
>The name given to Protoculture and Zentradi people mentally controlled to fight FOR the Protodeviln, a race of spiritual energy life forms from a sub-universe outside the known universe. Eventually the Supervision Army and the Protodeviln are defeated, but remnants of the Supervision Army still exist even to the present.
From macross2.net
So which is correct?
>>13521331
Macross2 is more accurate.
>>13520093
>flight cieling is lower than I'd like
Ok there Alto. Language Barrier isn't a problem for me, I still stand by Macross Digital Mission VF-X is the best so I'll have to see if 30 is superior.
>>13521181
well they say it's a supervision army ship in the show and they're interested in human's possible ties to the supervision army since they were pursuing them and lost the trail near earth
>>13520093
>There's some slowdown when there's way too many enemies on screen.
They've been having this problem since the PSP days. C'mon Artdink.
>>13521976
The PSP games only really slow down when you fire too many missiles.
>SV-51 with the booster pack
>Missile RS
>Hold O
>Watch as over 200 missiles chase your target down and overkill it
The SV-51 was my go-to VF for missile spam.
>>13521514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg5-Yw9F2h0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1unfvR2fI
The manual aiming with the right stick is my favorite improvement. That and reloading the gunpod. Makes shooting very satisfying.
>>13522016
It's funny how an old variable fighter pre-macross era is one of the strongest unit in the game.
>>13522106
Its only weakness is its inability to fly in space maps, otherwise, its godly.
Alto's VF-25 with the second armor pack is pretty good as well, a good range of weapons for a variety of situations, but since any weapon works, it doesn't matter. The nukes though.
>High speed unit with all 3 forms available with the armor pack
>Have the extra hp from the armor pack
>Heavy firepower
The Plus VFs are really good, especially with their super packs(And anything that shares their super packs), I use the VF-19A(I prefer the 19A's special attack) to kill shit, the missiles on the 19/21/22 behave really differently from every other missiles.
>>13522121
You're talking about the cluster missiles right? Good shit.
>>13522128
Not just the cluster missiles.
The regular multi-target missiles, the rapid-fire ones, all of them.
They fucking zigzag to their target, you don't see missiles from say, the VF-25 or the VF-1, doing that.
VF-11 with the armor pack has a godly gunpod.
>>13521514
>I still stand by Macross Digital Mission VF-X
Seriously? That has to be the worst Macross game I ever played. VFX-2 is much better than that crap.
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