Why does Tomino whine so much about the state of the modern anime industry when one of the recurring themes in his works is generational conflict? Does he not take his own messages to heart or does he just have false illusions of his own relevance?
He bitched about Evangelion 20 years ago and he hasn't stopped even today. Every few years he makes some dumb public statement about how much he hates the industry compared to how it was in the past. He really thinks he's a voice that should dictate the path of modern anime. When is he going to stop letting his soul be weighed down by gravity?
>>12426150
He's just doing it on purpose, to fulfill the role of grumpy oldfashionedness that needs to be supplanted by newness.
If there are no Fox News pundits saying videogames are evil and the true cause of violence, how are we supposed to tell how dumb that sounds?
The soul of industry is weighed down by hunger for monies. And monies make them do different shit like SAO, Kankolle etc. And japanese kids are mostly tasteless, so they spend their money on ranobes, boring fanservice shit etc.
Tomino is the hero.
>>12426150
He's a hypocrite.
>He bitched about Evangelion 20 years ago and he hasn't stopped even today.
Evangelion was legitimately too deep for him, and the message flew right over his head. No idea why he felt the need to publicize his infantile commentary. Did people not point that out?
>>12426165
>2020
>the state of the anime industry has still not changed
>Tomino grows weary of our immaturity and drops a colony on Japan to force them to grow up
>though we remember him as a villain, Tomino was actually the hero who ushered man to its next step of evolution
>>12426191
Go away Char.
Well, it is not like Tomino talks out of his ass.
He complained about seiyuu industry and then G-Reco proved he was right and serious about that!
>>12426187
>message
There is no spoon, Neo.
There is no message.
>>12426191
I would watch that. Tomino dresses up like Delaz and drops the colony.but instead of hitting Japan it falls in Saudi Arabia because of miscalculation.
>>12426217
It wasn't a Miscalculation.
>>12426169
>different shit like SAO, Kankolle etc
Boat girls >>>>>>>>>>>>> SAO
>>12426251
I'm not a specialist in sorts of shit.
>>12426150
Provocation. The real cruel oldfags are the silent ones. Those who don't care at all and hidden from the public. Then suddenly they finish you out the moment you are being perceived as 'rebellious'. Compared to them, Tomino (or Anno or Oshii or whatever) is much better.
>>12426150
A generation without an older generation that worries enough to bitch and moan out of genuine concern is a generation lost and damned to repeat the worst mistakes.
Tomino is hopefully, trying to guide and not simply complaining to hear himself.
>>12426251
Both are unbelieveable crap.
>>12426214
The whole show's about the Hedgehog's Dilema. Everything else is just fluff to get people to watch it.
>>12426290
>dilemma
I'd rather read Schopenhauer
Tomino's already commented on the irony of his urging the new generation to get away from the old. He sees adults as "the enemy" and says he sees himself as the "super enemy." If you think about how many Gundam series are derivatives of his work it makes a lot of sense too.
The top kek was when he attacked SnK for being too dark when he wrote Zeta Gundam and Victory.
In Shingeki main characters don't even die, in Zeta Gundam the main character reward for growing up was being put into a coma.
>>12426391
>The top kek was when he attacked SnK for being too dark when he wrote Zeta Gundam and Victory.
Top kek when you didn't understand he was saying not to let negative personal experiences influence your works, because you will regret years later, just like it happened to him with Zeta ending and Victory.
>>12426217
Said Saudi Arabia drop causes an energy crisis, causing countries to seek alternative methods of gaining energy while Saudi Arabia recovers.
>>12426150
Why does he whine about the state of the industry when his anime is chockfull of lolis and toy advertisements
>>12426628
Then people will build a Minovsky Drive.
>>12426150
>Why does Tomino whine so much about the state of the modern anime industry when one of the recurring themes in his works is generational conflict? Does he not take his own messages to heart or does he just have false illusions of his own relevance?
Because the industry isn't actually controlled by the fresh young guys who want to advance the art. It's controlled by the same greedy old men who controlled it decades ago, who only seek to exploit and squander talent on generic franchises, which in turn encourages young talent to try and meet demands.
>>12426424
>Tomino confirmed for LOLFUNfag
>>12426424
Well Tomino is wrong then since Victory has the best ending in Gundam.
>>12426150
At least he's not Miyanigger.
>>12426359
>enemy, super enemy
>ego, superego
poetry
>>12426150
>Why does Tomino whine so much about the state of the modern anime industry
Tomino whines a lot because he's had to sit and watch other directors younger than him earn international praise while he's stuck directing glorified toy commercials.
>>12427610
Ok friendo which part of my statement was false?
Every time tomino whines about something, to me he just comes off as an angry old man who has failed to get what he wants: widespread acknowledgement and respect.
Uncle go is respected, miyazaki, matsumoto, tezuka and otomo have all been acknowledged internationally as great influential directors but he's still just that gundam guy
>he made me angry so I'll post a bait image
godspeed anon!
>>12427629
Humanity is still just held down by earth's gravity
>>12427629
>Otomo
He made ONE thing worth mentioning in his life.
>>12427650
And yet he's still more respected and influential wordlwide than tomino. That says a lot.
One quality work is worth more than a lifetime of mediocre ones.
>>12427658
Meanwhile Japan directors and script-writers still copy-pastes 0079 and Zeta plots 35 years later.
How is Akira relevant and influential worldwide again?
>>12427650
>Akira
>Memories
>Domu
Looks like you were wrong.
>>12427669
>How is Akira relevant and influential worldwide again?
Geez you really are angry. Are you seriously trying to say that anything tomino ever did is more well known than akira? That's just sad
>>12427678
>Are you seriously trying to say that anything tomino ever did is more well known than akira?
Yeah, you are right, sorry, I forgot there is just one 1:1 Gundam in Japan. Geez.
>>12427685
and? You act like that helps your argument but I don't see how.
I bet the germans have a word for this. They have a word for everything. Someone who is loved by his millions of fans but nobody outside the fandom gives a shit.
That is what separates the greats from tomino. They're not just known outside the fandom they expanded the fandom and showed people that anime isn't just toy commercials.
>>12427701
>Someone who is loved by his millions of fans but nobody outside the fandom gives a shit.
So, Otomo?
You still haven't explained how Akira is influential worldwide BTW.
>>12427701
you're using ad populum yet you're criticizing his shows for selling a lot of toys and not being, what I presume you're implying, "works of art". doesn't really add up.
he's more popular than Nagai or Matsumoto anyway, and Be Invoked and 0079 are better than most anything your list of directors have done
>>12427713
if you need someone to explain to you how akira was influential worldwide then I have two thoughts:
1)Are you fucking retarded?
2)How old are you?
When akira hit theaters it was a phenomenon. The ultra violence and fucked up plot showed the west that cartoons weren't just for kids and worked it's way into many infulential directors favourite animated films lists.
Hitting western theatres is something that tomino is yet to do btw.
>>12427724
>he's more popular than Nagai or Matsumoto anyway,
In what alternate dimension? tomino fans are adorable.
>>12427738
also it was kind of a milestone with regards to quality/ animation budgets. Most westerners thought of low budget crap that used a lot of stillframes, etc. Akira captured a lot of subtle gestures and movement that made it stand out for its time. Plus syncing lips to the dub was a nice touch as well. The story puts me to sleep but I understand it's significance.
>>12426150
>Why does Tomino whine so much about the state of the modern anime industry
Because he knows he's right.
>>12427701
>showed people that anime isn't just toy commercials
So...Mobile Suit Gundam?
You do realize that MSG told a war story and started this "real robot" ish a whole nine years before Akira happened, right?
And Akira, btw, is bigger in the US than it is in japan. It's a looooong running manga but there's only one film and it's not even the start of the story. The manga was originally actually about Akira, the movie is the Tetsuo arc which is basically "it's happening again".
In america, Akira was a big deal because it was super serious death and cyberpunk which we'd never seen in a cartoon before, but only in America (and you can thank Carl "Robotech" Maceck for that). It wasn't remotely the first serious anime.
The manga was important and influential in terms of other manga. The movie not so much.
>>12427794
My local theatre used to send out flyers in the mail advertising whatever films they were screening and when I saw the ad for akira billed as MA15+ I knew this was no ordinary cartoon.
When I left that building I was not the same.
>>12427808
nobody saw gundam outside japan until years later retard. And the animation was shit.
>>12427808
>So...Mobile Suit Gundam?
>not just toy commecials
But MSg was a toy commercial. They had to change the design of the gundam because the toy companies told them to..
>>12427738
>showed the west
America
>that cartoons weren't just for kids
Yea, it just influenced a generation of edgy casuals. Meanwhile western cartoons now are even more infantile than those of decades past.
>When akira hit theaters it was a phenomenon.
American theaters
>many infulential directors
American directors, usually the "quirky" mainstream hacks
Yea, Akira sure was influential. That's why our cartoons are even more childish than in the last century and our (action and sci-fi) films are utter garbage.
>>12427831
That's mecha in general though.
I don't know why we only ever take Gundam to task for this when it's far from the only /m/ title to take a knee to toy companies.
Wasn't VOTOMS originally meant to be a fantasy series before they decided to get in on the mecha money train?
>>12427629
>>12427658
>>12427678
>>12427701
>>12427738
Please, keep going. Youre bullshit is most entertaining.
>>12427831
>not knowing shit about Gundam
Here's the deal:
Yes, it was paid for by toy companies. But it was cancelled because it failed as a toy commercial, because it was a depressing war story.
The compilation films later made it popular with older viewers, because of the story and not the toys. Every robot show up to 0079 was made by toy companies, MSG showed that anime didn't have to be *just* toy commercials. Yes, there was interference from toy companies in the development, but Tomino resisted that and later undid some of that toy executive interference in the film trilogy.
Ergo...not just a toy commercial.
>>12427908
Nigger, please, Don't try to do the "not a toy commercial" thing because gundam fandom has long since accepted that the series is just a vehicle to sell more gunpla.
>>12427886
I think ti's more entertaining that the only defense tomino fans can mount is to attack more successful directors.
>>12427629
Okay, I have to ask - are we talking respected in Japan or globally?
Cause if you mean globally, some of your picks are pretty hit or miss depending on the region.
Japan respects Nagai, for example, as do parts of Europe and South America.
The majority of North America, meanwhile, had their image of him shaped largely by stuff like the Violence Jack and Devilman OVAs back in the day when anime was still getting high on 'LOOK! WE HAVE SEX AND VIOLENCE! NOT FOR KIIIIIDS!'
So Nagai's reputation over here, when people even remember his name, is looked at as a dirty old man who banks heavily on shock for shock's sake.
That's not what he is, but the fact is, that's the reputation he has for a lot of NA.
>>12427738
>>12427794
And yet in Japan nobody tries to copy Akira's style anymore. Akira is so influential that it is only relevant in America and what is funnier is that Akira doesn't even represent what Japan animation actually is. The closest thing to Akira you will find is probably some Kawajiri stuff.
Meanwhile we have got something like two or three generations of directors who tried to copy Gundam in a lot of ways.
>>12427831
So were Ideon and Turn A. Saying something is a toy commercial is a vacuous statement that doesn't embody the breadth of a show's content.
>>12427840
>I want to create a story that actively uses symbolism, and in my case, G-Reco, the message takes priority over the story
I LOVE HIM!
>>12427949
It looks like you're trying to mount an argument against akira being more influential than gundam would you like some help with that?
Akira is more recognized and influential than gundam worldwide. deal with it. Otomo accomplished with one work what tomino has failed to acheive his whole life.
>>12427939
(">I think ti's more entertaining that the only defense tomino fans can mount is to attack more successful directors.")
(">Insults no one other than the obvious shitposter")
>>12428012
Now that I think about it that is probably the whole reason tomino is such a salty prick. Dozens of directors accomplish more than he ever did with one show.
>They succeeded where I failed therefore the anime industry is doomed!
The music video for Kanye West's "Stronger" references Akira heavily.
Akira: 1
Gundam: 0
>>12428012
how many Akira statues are there?
>>12428779
Kanye West owns a Zaku.
Andrew W.K. put out a tribute album for Gundam.
Akira: 1
Gundam: 2
>>12428807
Successful franchise =/= influential work
>>12428847
that's a strange number
is the amount of Akira statues some bizarre theoretical math?
>>12428847
>As of 2014, the Gundam franchise generated a total of 80 billion yen in revenues
>The 2014 retail sales of Gundam toy and hobby items totaled 18.4 billion yen.[
Oh?
>>12428856
I'm just tired of hearing Akira measured in statues or yen, I'm not taking a side in the argument. Measure Gundam in artistic value, like Akira.implying there is any in either[spoiler/]
>>12426150
Why can't the old generation build the new era? Is it because they're out of touch?
>anime
>having worth
>having value
pick one
>>12428942
gundam is ten arts
akira is only seven arts
there I measured it
>>12428970
Why are you here?
>>12428996
Why are you?
>I'm here to defend muh honorabur nippon cartoon animator because his work is ART and the other one's is SHIT
>>12427669
Same reason that most generic Hollywood explosion fests despite making tons of money every year will never beat old classics like Citizen Kane Casablanca, and the like in renown.
....
Could it be that he's talking about something bigger and more important than anime? I mean...
>>12426961
>Victory has the best ending in Gundam.
>>12429004Ha cocaч, быдлo.
>>12427818
>And the animation was shit.
Huge differences in format and budget can do that ya know?
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>>12427947
>So Nagai's reputation over here, when people even remember his name, is looked at as a dirty old man who banks heavily on shock for shock's sake.
That's the accurate portrait of this fucker.
>>12428963
You know what Japanese use to say about losing your talent in... 20? It's because after a school or a university their lives are over.
>>12426169
>Kids
>Buying KanColle
Please, only autists bought it and they didn't even like it.
The anime industry isn't totally full of plebs either, seeing as how shows like Ping Pong and Shirobako sold pretty well, the latter was a contender for one of the best shows in Japan tha aired that year.
>>12429735
How many cute girls are in Shirobako again?
Tomino is just a bitter old fuck. All he does is complain about everything and everyone and how they are bad, he's just projecting because he knows hes a hack making anime to sell toys and nothing more. Hell all of his work is mediocre at best. I've seen a lot of his works and I can't say any of them were even 8/10.
>>12429735
Shirobako is a mega otaku pandering showing cute girls doing anime things.
>>12429762
>>12429888
>it's about girls so it's bad
>>12429762
>>12429888
The amount of generic sameface cute girls placed into a show to make it sell better does not necessarily affect the quality of every other part of it, particularly when it only stretches as far as their designs.
>>12430004
It's an average anime and not something different. The setting is totally K-on level bullshit with pure waifus. Come on, open your eyes.
>>12430004
Not true. 80's moeshit is totally kosher and not moeshit at all.
>>12430038
>Projecting again
Please, stop.
>>12429534
Yes, really nigga.
I cry erry times.
>>12427885
I don't know about being a fantasy series but Takahashi has been very upfront about the fact that his shows feature mecha for the sake of toy sales, not because he actually likes them. I heard it from the man himself when he was in Scotland in 2011.
>Someone asked what Ryouske Takahashi's dream mecha project would be if he had unlimited funds. Takahashi replied that he actually didn't like robots that much, and that they were included for marketabillity's sake, but that he would like to do another longer series, something which would last "at least a year."
>-I asked if he ever planned on returning to Dougram as he had done with Votoms, but he replied that he preferred to make something new, and had only returned to Votoms due to massive fan-demand.
Both of these are clear statements that Takahashi does what he thinks will make money and not what his PURE ARTISTIC VISION wants. And that's totally fucking fine because animation studios are businesses, not charities, the money they sustain themselves with doesn't come out of thin air. The only reason people retch at shows that are obviously merchandise driven is because they associate toys with children and that means the show is for children (and they're too insecure to enjoy something they think is for a demographic younger than them), and because there's this false notion that creating art for money destroys its value as art.
>>12430279
Anime has become a lot more merchandise driven over the last decade and it's only going to increase as time goes on. Youtube, niconico and torrents have killed disc sales as a business model so figures, kits and other merch are the way to go. If you're a little bitch who can't handle this then go find another medium to enjoy.
>>12427818
>And the animation was shit.
>Gundam is remembered for being one of Yas most expressive works
>Gundam is remembered for being one of Itano first works
>Gundam is praised by people for having groundbreaking choreography
>>12430351
>Gundam is remembered for being one of Yas most expressive works
I dunno what Yas considers his best anime animation-wise but I'm clear people tend to lean more on Crusher Joe or Venus Wars in that department (then again, Kugatsusha's animation work in general was pretty based).
>>12430380
>one of
>>12430386
Sorry, missed that. Still, I agree 0079's animation wasn't as bad as people are putting it out to be. Sure it's no WMT or Conan and yes the few QUALITY shots and all but it was still pretty serviceable for what it was. Hell it even had its moments.
>>12427738
Akira has almost no influence anymore though. The anime is shit with beautiful animation and the manga has become almost forgotten by the lack of republishing. Last thing I remember influenced by it was chronical and that I'm not even sure was on purpose. Akira has has much influence as gunnm where its only recalled by nostalgia but under less light than GITS, wolf brigade and eva. It might be because it was never remade or had any sequal/spinoffs. It also doesnt help that it hasent aged well.
>>12430567
>Akira has almost no influence anymore though
What are you babbling about? The passage of time doesn't diminish its importance or achievements. As for gunnm that's ridiculous, gunnm has never had one iota of the fame or importance akira does and I say that as someone with a ridiculously large gunnm collection.
>It also doesnt help that it hasent aged well.
>Still touted as one of the finest examples of hand drawn anime
Pick one.
>>12426628
So then we go to solar energy and 00's Middle East energy crisis happens.
>>12426391
>In Shingeki main characters don't even die
Most of Zeta's deaths happen in the last few episodes. SnK isn't even finished yet.
>>12426391
They're both shit
>>12430653
Akira has faded and died. The influence hasn't happened as we don't see any of its themes in modern shows, nor has it continued itself.
The only one from that era that seems successful is GITS.
Also, Gundam was a war story that's literally copied every few years.
>>12430023
Men actually exist in the show. Not to say it's not a moe show, especially with Miyamori's internal monologue mascots, but it's actually relatively grounded.
>>12430653
Akira inspired Naruto, and the manga is currently in-print and can be found in most major bookstores.
>>12432418
Akira also inspired the 2004 anime, "Tetsujin 28." Many of the characters share names, and Tetsujin is labelled "#28" just like Akira himself.
>>12426391
>In Shingeki main characters don't even die
That was actually one of the things Tomino was talking about, in a way. Not that main characters should die, but rather that a lot of the brutal violence seemed to be there for the sake of showing off the brutal violence rather than adding to the story.
>>12432433
a little known fact is that "American Idol" was inspired by Akira's ending.
Yamato was a bigger influence in anime than Akira. It also influenced Gundam.
Fucking plebs
>>12430800
Fucking 00 babies, get aome taste faggots, you are all a byproduct of Gundam Wing, jesus
>Captcha: mech
>>12427949
The character designs there look real but more of Western comic-like than most Japanese manga and anime character designs.For me, Akira looks nothing like an anime and how this contribute to: violence, drugs and "Akira" cults
>>12428807
Just Gangsta Kaneda's motorcycle, that's it. >>12432433
>Akira also inspired the 2004 anime, "Tetsujin 28"
Well you don't know that Tetsujin 28 was the 1950s manga and a 1963 anime. So Akira based those versions there.And don't claim that Otomo was the first one to make these stuff than Yokoyama
>>12437203
>but more of Western comic-like than most Japanese manga and anime character designs
Because they all must look like Sailor Moon and big plate eyes were not taken from Disney, right? You must be super-new.
>>12437203
You problably never watched any anime from the 80s and before huh?
>>12437211
>being this fucking autistic
He was being sarcastic.
Oh fuck, If I'm gonna have to point out to every retarded in this site what is sarcasm and what isn't
>>12437305
I watched some shows with 80s anime
>>12437289
Not really, they don't look nearly like Miyazaki's nor Kon's nor Urasawa's nor any pre-1990s anime shows
>>12437449
>they don't look nearly like Miyazaki's nor Kon's nor Urasawa's nor any pre-1990s anime shows
I see, you don't know what manga is either.
>>12430800
And then we build the GN Drive (which is theoretically possible!).
Because he and other creators wanted to use the medium to send messages to viewers and now the industry's been hijacked by manchildren at the lowest social caste who spend way too much on cartoon merchandise.
>>12437481
>don't know what manga is
Of course, I knew about manga
>>12437449
... and overall manga
>>12437937
>For me, Akira looks nothing like an anime
WAT
>>12437203
>The character designs there look real but more of Western comic-like than most Japanese manga and anime character designs.
Nah, it still looks kinda anime, it's just distinctive in its style.
>>12427669
What series are an imitation of Zeta?
>>12439204
That's my point of view about Akira
Q Hayashida's art is obviously influenced by Otomo's.
>>12442442
Aldnoah Zero
>>12443056
Her only well known series is Dorohedoro, which isn't even that well known
