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Has this show been a let down for anyone else?
Season one was brilliant. Did they strike gold with Build Fighters and use all of their interesting ideas there? Try has just felt like it's been done as an obligation, it's been real mediocre.
None of the characters have been interesting as well. Build Fighters had a great supporting cast filled with funny and interesting characters, while Try has had almost none of that, they've failed to create anyone I care about.
>failed to create anyone I care about
>post fumina
I like the characters, its just they don't do a whole lot with them.
>>11849229
I always said I never wanted a second season because how brilliant season 1 was and how it ended. Season 2 characters are just not as interesting or enjoyable as Season 1.
>>11849232
People care about her because she's hot. She isn't interesting or especially likable.
>>11849229
Nah, just you.
I like it a lot but it does feel like it's missing something that the first Build Fighters had.
Still the best mecha show this season by far.
Not enjoying it as much as the first season but I'm still having enough fun with it each week. All this Meijin is great too.
>>11849237
The same is basically true of every character in the both seasons. They're all pretty one note hotties (dependent on your orientation, type and/or fetish) who just play to that note. Season one hit some notes you like, season two hasn't. Maybe the inevitable season three will once again.
>>11849232
If you ignore her outfit(which really isn't that sexy, to be honest, it just makes you feel like they're trying too hard), there's not much to care about her.
I mean if you cared about her you'd obviously like her team to win the championship but so far they've done nothing that could make me cheer for them, instead every single rival team has been more sympathetic.
That so no, it really isn't disappointment to me as long as there's screentime for any other character than Try Fighters.
>>11849284
>Still the best mecha show this season by far
>>11849306
>He says while posting a gif of #3 mecha show this season.
>>11849296
>which really isn't that sexy
Pic related.She's still nowhere near as hot as basically every other girl in BF and BFT.
>>11849293
Sazaki was far from "hottie," in fact he's so ugly that it gives you the illusion of cuteness. Still made me care about him because he was fun character with entertaining moments.
>>11849329
> Sazaki was far from "hottie"
All the shota love for him for the season one threads indicates otherwise.
> He was a fun character with entertaining moments
All of which were rooted in his one note. Which was the other thing I noted about the season one characters.
>>11849329
>that handsome gentleman's face
>not hot
>>11849229
At least they didn't use Build Knuckle to end the episode everytime
>>11849229
>second season/sequel of Gundam post-2000
>expecting it to be good
>>11849356
>At least they punched things instead of punching things
>>11849323
Sorry I don't see the appeal, it just looks trashy to me. Her two other outfits with shorts and proper shirts have been much better.
>>11849229
stick to a/z
>>11849356
The problem is that they replaced BUILD KNUCKLE with JIGAN HOWL
The problem with Build Knuckle is that it was used to solve every situation they got into and thus became boring. Before you go comparing it to Shining/God Finger, it wasn't Domon's be all-end all move. It was a finishing move.
Build Burning Gundam is less of a martial artist Gundam and more of a BUILD KNUCKLE Gundam.
>>11849357
>second season/sequel of Gundam post-1979
Fixed that for you.
>>11849385
>The problem with Build Knuckle is that it was used to solve every situation they got into and thus became boring. Before you go comparing it to Shining/God Finger, it wasn't Domon's be all-end all move. It was a finishing move.
It was used exactly like Shining/God Finger. Just like every other 90s show that used that one move to solve all problems.
>>11849385
Don't blame Build Burning for the pilot's mistakes. Apologize to Build Burning Gundam!
>>11849392
Except Shining Finger didn't work again Master and Devil.
>>11849408
Isn't that the same with DEAD END FINGER
>>11849408
Oh wow, it didn't work against his biggest enemies. Kind of like how Try just had it fail against one of the show's primary antagonists. That's nothing at all alike.
I like Sekai more than Reiji.
>>11849229
Nope. Because Fumina is delicious.
>>11849413
>>11849415
If you look like just five damn posts up you'll notice we're talking about Build Knuckle.
>>11849415
I can make a list of enemies/fights were God/Shining Finger didn't instantly defeat his foes for you, if you'd fucking like it.
Shining Finger/God Finger is a powerful finishing move, but if Domon can't beat that obstructed himself, then it does him no good.
When the Shuffle Alliance created their newest Super Moves, only one was countered with God Finger, and it fucking LOST. Sai Saichi had already lost the fight at that point because of letting Domon blow up his arms, the point was that he was willing to fight to the death to revive the Shaolin School.
Shit, the latter part of the first arc is about him getting over the fact that he's become way too reliant on his fancy gimmicks! We didn't forget about Master Asia AND Bruder beating the shit out of him once he tried relying on his finishing moves and Super Mode, did we?
>>11849229
Really, it falls flat because there's no focus on the actual building aspects like there were in S1.
>>11849457
No, it falls flat because it's lacking in character development and most of the fights have been extremely simple and predictable, not because we don't have 30 second montages of nubs being sanded.
It falls flat because none of the main characters are as cute and erotic nerds as Sei
>>11849467
This
>>11849453
> and it fucking lost
Oh yea, him doing it with his left hand instead is really different from him doing it with his right hand. I mean, pointing out that Sai was willing to die totally trumps the fact that he won the fight by doing another God Finger attack to win it.
Oh wait, no, it doesn't.
Also, we're not even half way in to the show yet, so talking about how the Shining/God Finger didn't work several times later in the show and G even pointed this out, but Try doesn't kind of falls flat on it's face when the show is already starting to point out this fact just under the half way mark.
>Disappointing aspects of S2 compared to S1
Ral's VA being hospitalized (can't be helped, but still sad none-the-less)
3vs3 battles that always seem to turn into 2 quick mutual eliminations and a 1v1
Lack of mystery and plot in early episodes (we haven't gotten much outside of the cut on the MC's cheek)
Weaker OP
Sub-par fights (with some exceptions)
Some of the staff that made S1 great are working on other projects
It's during the same season as G-Reco
Winning and blue-sniper-gundam are dull compared to Zaku Amazing, Fenice and the other S1 friend/enemy suits
Try's fault is there are just TOO MANY CHARACTERS. The fact that there are 3 lead characters with all their individual traits that don't really mesh well with one another.
Season 1 had Sei and Reiji and for the most part they bonded and meshed quite well into a singular unit. They had their own individual plot points, like Sei with Mao on their Building skills, Reiji with Aila on their 'love' story. Then they both had several characters they had joint rivalries with such as Fellini and Tatsuya/Meijin.
Try so far has had no joint rivalries and just mish mashes of interactions based on 1 to 1 character basis. Sekai and Boxer dude was a 1 off rivalry. Glasses and Minato have a 1 sided 'rivalry' coming from Minato's side and they barely interact. Fumina has 'Lady' but she hasn't even met her in the main story to establish anything. The closest thing there is with Gyanko, she was Fumina's semi-rival and has a 'love' (if you can call it that) story with Sekai. That's it.
The Try 'team' still dont feel like a team, they feel like Fumina is still the bridge between Sekai and Glasses who still can't play well together. their team has little synergy and they fight piss poorly and wait for Sekai to get angry and pull off a bullshit Jigen Hao move.
By this point in season 1, S&R already met Mao twice, they had met Tatsuya, fought him twice and seen his rise to Meijin. They had befriended Fellini who was an ally/rival.
Try attempts to make every character they meet along the way matter, and falls horribly since the main characters themselves lack focus and synergy.
Mostly I kind of feel like Fumina doesn't deserve the championship because she's aiming to get it the most boring way possible. Or at least it doesn't deserve my support. I did cheer for Sei because he was cute and he did fancy stuff, even though they mostly spammed Build Knuckle.
I'd rather cheer for tate tamashii, sick moe otouto and his oniichan or Mega-Shiki.
Okay /m/ how do we fix it?
>Plot
delay tournament. Have some club antics of them getting supplies or rivalry with building club and others. Let them build up the cast.
When the tournament happens have them lose and sent to a losers bracket. This means they have to overcome stuff and other characters will come back later on to fight
>Sekai
Don't make him an idiot who knows nothing about Gundam. Give him someone he is looking for and ask fighters about like Domon. Make it so he made the build burning so people are confused by how good a builder he is. More matches with him properly fist fighting not special moves. I'd actually make him a lot more like Suga though not looks wise
>Fumina
Make her more a mom character. Overly protective of club and team mates that leads to issues. Make winning give attachments out but remain active so she actually fights. Make parts only enhance moves which only work in certain circumstances not finishers.
>Yuuma
He is actually fine for set up just let him actually do stuff
>They say in an interview that they understand that S2 fights relied too much on ending with Build Knuckle, and that they want to fix that in S2
>End nearly every fight in the tournament using Winning Knuckle
>>11849284
Yeah, the implied homoeroticism between Sei and Reiji and the megamilf.
>>11849329
Its the voice and the way he moves and acts, relative to the way he looks and his girlish style of dressing.
I want to believe Gyanko *IS* Sazaki, all grown up: either he turned out to be an ugly girl growing up or he went newhalf to try and get Sei and fell for the Reiji lookalike after being (emotionally cripplingly) turned down by Sei.
Coincidently, there's a surprising amount of art with Reiji suggesting Sei should be more like his mother. Physically. As in, drawn with his mom's build -- and Sei outraged/confused by the reaction.
Build Fighters S1 had a lot of implied shipping potential. S2 lacks it because its all on rails and alot of the ambiguity is stripped out.
>>11849563
It's not even done well like Shinning/Burning finger
They have two of best tracks in Gundam and a huge wind up that is just awesome. You look forward to that shit in an episode
Winning Knuckle doesn't even look good, it's just really lame
>>11849578
>Sazaki became busty girl
So that must mean...
>>11849578
>I want to believe Gyanko *IS* Sazaki, all grown up:
That doesn't even fucking make sense. Gyanko is in middle school.
>>11849591
> shippers
> making sense
Yea, like that's the biggest problem with his theory.
>>11849591
Plavsky particles. Nils and China weren't affected because they weren't exposed to them ever since they were toddlers.
>>11849588
Sei became a milf newhalf? Magnificent.
I bet she blushes when you talk about her modelling skills and gets bashful when you start talking about build quality.
Also, holy shit, Ral's still around. Thinking about it, there's a lot of art of Ral shafting Sei.
This might explain a few things. To creep it up, I bet he calls Sei 'Rinko' when he does it.
>>11849591
Ostensibly.
>>11849229
Nah everyone's just talking shit about build fighters try and not actually watching it. My friend and i who have actually watched all of Gundam are enjoying Try as much as the first BF. Not to mention the only opinions that make sense are from actual Gundam fans that find all of Gundam enjoyable aside from seed and age.
If this was the real /m/ you guys would sit down and shut up and enjoy the /m/echa porn. Seriously you're all a fucking disgrace anymore.
>>11849624
But I am watching it and I'm bored. With BF I constantly had the urge to rewatch new episodes, but now I just keep finding myself thinking "maybe something cool will happen next week". Really the only time I've had nearly as much fun with BFT as I did with BF so far was the filler episode with Sekai's sister, and that seems rather telling.
>>11849624
agreed
>>11849591
>Gyanko is in middle school.
She's a big girl
>>11849638
That you're in it for swimsuit girls and not robits, yeah.
>>11849650
No, you bitch nigger. I'm in it for shit like surfing Turn A, not "OH SHIT I WONDER WHAT BUILD BURNING WILL DO NEXT!? MAYBE A PUNCH!"
>>11849659
I heard next episode they will face an even tougher opponent with a sad bad story so Fumina will have to split into pieces then disappear for the rest of the fight. Then Fumina might get one kill and the rest of the episode is JIGEN HA BLAH BLAH MOVE WE'VE SEEN TEN TIMES
exciting stuffabout 3 episodes don't fit this trend
>>11849229
the novelty's lost, is all. Honestly speaking GBF Try follows faithfully in GBF's footsteps in terms of crafting a plot and its characters without totally reusing characters blatantly, but otherwise it's just following up on the setting it established.
The magic's just lost and people are just now realizing the flaws that were also in season 1 (which aren't that bad in the long run, but /m/ likes whining about shows too much)
Personally I still enjoy the season even if it could have definite improvements. It's the same way I felt about S1 too.
>>11849675
>without totally reusing characters blatantly
How is Sekai not just Reiji with Mao's martial arts?
>>11849681
>hurr durr red hair same guy
>>11849681
well, martial arts isn't exactly Mao's thing, but y'know
they're mixing up the archetypes, definitely, that's what i mean by not just straight up reusing characters blatantly. You know how we get mad at the gundam franchise for reusing plotlines and tropes s like the char clone, falling into the cockpit, UNDERSTANDING for post-SEED shows, super special unique prototypes, newtypes and derivatives, etc?
we're suffering the same thing now with Try. It isn't as obvious in GBF since it draws not just from Gundam's stable of tropes but a pool of shounen toy commercial/tournament storytelling, and watching GBF alongside /m/ has shown to me that pretty much everyone who picked up GBF straight from Gundam has not watched a toyetic anime like bakugan or yugioh or beyblade or whatever. Now that we have a point of reference with GBF we're realizing the apparently shocking fact that Try is recycling elements from older shows
>>11849681
Actually cares about other people than himself, capable of empathy
Doesn't judge everyone on first assumptions, tries to understand them before making a scene
Has a hobby that he's passionate about(other than eating)
Is talented fighter for a better reason than "he's just good!", also is successful only in one thing instead both close combat and weapon use
Cute
They're not alike at all, I think you mean't to say Nils instead Mao. You might as well ask how is not every toku MC the same character because they tend to be hotblooded and wear red suit.
>>11849659
>ends every fight with winning knuckle
>disregards everything beforehand which is actually pretty well thought out to keep everything entertaining.
Yes and.
>>11849675
>Personally I still enjoy the season even if it could have definite improvements. It's the same way I felt about S1 too.
Personally while i thought it could have had improvements the idea alone was pure genius.
And while the choreography during fights could have been much better the keyframes and art more than made up for that. BF S1 also had some of the most intense Gundam fights i have seen period aside from CCA which tops anything /m/ i have seen so far. Personally i have also found try's fights to be a little more clever at times and that will become more apparent over time i believe.
I liked GBF because it had a ton of different, cool characters who were still relevant in some way throughout the series, a lot of awesome gunpla designs (even if some were just repaints and weapon swaps) and fun fights. Most of all, Sei and Reiji becoming best bros over the course of the series was great, but I'm a sucker for BRO HYPE series.
Try has some cool gunpla too, but the characters aren't particularly interesting and almost always get discarded after one of two episodes. The team dynamic isn't as fun and most of the fights just boil down to Jigen Hao spam.
That said, I have an HG Build Burning sitting on my desk waiting to be opened up.
>>11849708
>>disregards everything beforehand which is actually pretty well thought out to keep everything entertaining.
And none of that shit ever works. Then oh well I'll just MUH JIGUHN HAOH WEENING KNUCKULH.
This happens far more often than not. I mine-as-well be watching Gaogaigar.
>>11849708
You do realise humans specifically remember the beginning and the end of an experience most intensely, verses say for example the middle, right?
The ending of a movie is what people talk about, not how the characters got there.
Going back, about 60% of all Build S1 episodes open half way through a fight that teaches us something or entertains.
To that end, about 70% of all episodes of S1 end with winning knuckle.
If you're not into the shoutier super-robot tropes, the end of every single episode is actually quite embarrassing to watch. People will wear headphones and try to make sure nobody sees or hears them watching.
The only way the show can be turned around for me is if this school of 1-hit-ko is shown against higher-tier players to be useful and his "push button to kill" sentai crap has to be replaced with proper combat, whittling down his opponent instead of flashy climax moves.
Try hurts to watch: Fumina's given a stupid fucking SD, sniper-derp isn't likable or shippable and the protagonist is just a bad knockoff of Reiji without the charm, good looks, humor, skill or yaoi undertones. Its his face strapped to a kid who knows how to push a 1-hit-ko button and doesn't understand why he doesn't win when he pushes it.
I'm not interested in watching John Cena in Gundam. Even Reiji and Sei lost quite a lot of fights or had to bring a close match back by using their brains.
>>11849726
most of the cool characters were became relevant throughout the series showed up during the world tournament arc, outside of Mao. Kirara was originally a one-shot character in the vein of Shimon too until she got roped into the second half. And even then people were hating on characters like Nils too until he got paired up with Caroline.
I get what you mean by the team dynamic being harmful to the formula, as it makes caring about each character a bit harder, but it also offers a lot of interesting character dynamics like Sleggar
we're basically at a point where we just disagree on what we want to see in character interactions because honestly I can't pronounce this cast weaker than the previous one's since we haven't seen the payoffs for some of the characters they're building up on yet, while the GBF cast has the benefit of actually finishing up on their arcs. Very few characters from the regional tournament in the first season were that memorable too
>>11849494
>Lack of mystery and plot in early episodes
To be fair, it was around when the regionals ended that we started getting all the mystery stuff too. The start of the first season only really had Reiji being from another world. Pretty much everything about the chairman, palavski particles origins, and Aila came after they started the next level of the tournament.
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>>11849738
Er, S2 end with a whinning knuckle, not S1.
*winning knuckle
>Actually whinning knuckle about describes what happens
>Lots of baby in diaper screaming
>"I WIN BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
>Flips table
>Chess-pieces go everywhere
>Match is ruined
>"LOOK HOW GREAT I AM AT CHESS!"
>Proceeds to "beat" grand-masters by flipping tables
>lol cena wins
I'm enjoying Try but it's really just more of the same from season one of Build Fighters and really makes me wish they'd gone with somewhat older Sei becoming Gunpla police under his father as Captain (so able to spend more time at home) chasing Gunpla mafia around the world and playing exhibition matches to spread the sport.
>>11849738
>sniper-derp isn't likable or shippable
But he's more shippable withMinatothan Fumina is with anyone.
As if that matters anyway, he's the only genuine gunpla nerd of their team.
>>11849742
>I get what you mean by the team dynamic being harmful to the formula, as it makes caring about each character a bit harder, but it also offers a lot of interesting character dynamics like Sleggar
It says something when the only example you can think of is a character from another team
Team Try fighters has no chemistry, they barely seem to talk outside of we must win this next match
>Very few characters from the regional tournament in the first season were that memorable too
That's not the problem. The problem is the opponents are way more interesting than the main cast
Also
>Reiji
>good looks
He wasn't cute shota like Sei or Sazaki(or Sekai) but he also wasn't ikemen like Yuuki, or manly good-looking guy like Fellini. No appeal.
The humor with him was shit too, he just liked food and was dick to everyone.
>>11849760
i was gonna finish that sentence but meh, shitty internet
I WAS going to reference team white wolf, which does have a fairly developed team dynamic, along with Shimon and his teammates, and even that joke swimmer team, and compare it to the regionals tournament characters, of which the only actually developed character was yuuki-senpai who scrubbed out and became meijin, kirara, and sazaki. In terms of characters who actually got a fair bit of attention, Try actually did characterize more people in the regionals tournament, as compared to the finals of the regionals in the first season where the final opponent was a nondescript dude (because of the fight with the zaku amazing, of course). If we cheat and include notable characters that aren't in the tournament in the first season, there's Ral and Fellini, and you know how Ral is received around these parts, while Fellini only really comes into his own in the second half.
As for Team Try Fighters not having chemistry, I feel that it's really a case of you not giving a shit about what the show is trying to do with them. The dynamics between Fumina and Sekai are there, there's Yuuma's relationship with Fumina and his crush on Mirai, they already did their requisite fighting against each other deal in the early episodes (and it's a convenient world tournament drama arc to make them fight if they REALLY want to, if a bit contrived) so honestly this all boils down to a matter of opinion.
>The problem is the opponents are way more interesting than the main cast
like every toy commercial anime out there! shocking, I know!
>>11849788
because I mean really, do you really want to spend time having DRAMA over the teammates not liking each other but still having to deal with each other's bullshit to win? That completely clashes with what the show is trying to go for. Maybe if this was like 00 S1 which was mining that sort of convenient character drama, but that's at odds with the themes of the current show. If anything, it's refreshing that they don't spend their time angsting at each other because they secretly hate each other's guts.
>>11849485
I like how you ignored every other instant of God Finger not working because it doesn't fit your point.
Dragon Gundam didn't have any arms at that point, and had been beaten to the point that even God Gundam's machinecannons were taking their toll on him. Are we really saying that Domon couldn't have beaten him WITHOUT God Finger?
But hey, the point is for all of your complaining, we have a move that's revealed to be even STRONGER than God Finger and it's not the main characters.
Try harder, Tryfag.
>>11849788
>he dynamics between Fumina and Sekai are there
Not really. He kinda inspires her be seeing how in matches she just disappears after dropping weapons it doesn't mean a lot. Plus Sekai is too retarded to show anything back
> Yuuma's relationship with Fumina
Which for friends since children is pretty nothing. We never even see them doing stuff together or just talking. They don't have a relationship outside of fighting together.
>and his crush on Mirai
which is mostly for jokes but did lead to two actually good scenes between them
>they already did their requisite fighting against each other deal in the early episodes
And then it was over. But their relationship didn't really grow from their. They haven't done much, even in battle there's been about one moment when Sekai worked well with Yuuma
>like every toy commercial anime out there!
fuck off you piece of shit with that excuse. Every fucking gundam series is
Really outside a basic outline of what these characters are to each other they have done nothing. they lack scenes of hanging out and talking. It seems like they only meet up to battle or talk about battle but not in a fun way but basically exposition for the next fight. We kind of got it in the G-Muse episode but that was reduced to a montage so we could have a fight.
>>11849796
>because I mean really, do you really want to spend time having DRAMA over the teammates not liking each othe
No but I want them to have something. Give them some dynamic cause right now we have three people who at best kinda like each other.
>>11849796
>do you really want to spend time having DRAMA over the teammates not liking each other but still having to deal with each other's bullshit to win?
GBF had (almost) none of that and it still showed a lot of chemistry and interaction. I'm still enjoying Try but so far I'm not as enthralled as I was with GBF.
>>11849704
>Actually cares about other people than himself, capable of empathy
People are still this mad about a character in a kid's toy show being aloof for the sake of jokes?
>>11849815
No one said about being mad about anything, but they clearly have different personalities. Comedy with Sekai isn't about being mean to other characters.
>>11849747
autism
>>11849767
>this post
BF really did bring /a/ trash in.
>>11849824
>you have to be from /a/ not to find guy who dresses like a clown good-looking
>>11849819
>Comedy with Sekai isn't about being mean to other characters.
I'm really glad that I skipped out on S1 threads, because the way people describe Reiji it's like they watched another show. He was competitive and aloof, but I don't recall anything that made him out to be an asshole.
>>11849828
>it's a bad character because it doesn't fit into my favorite archetypes let me list them all off in japanese for you
Sounds like /a/ to me.
>>11849824
Build fighters brought a lot retarded people into the mecha franchise, but for different reasons than Gurren lagann did.
tl;dr Build fighters worked too well, now Gunpla communities are fucked :(
>>11849808
The reason I'm making the toy commercial anime comparison is because GBF's pedigree is a combination of gundam and other toy commercial anime with a focus on the tournament arc storytelling method, so a part of its plot structure and characterization will inevitably draw from what those shows also have.
Now, think of the tournament structure: how do you raise the stakes for every episode? The easiest (and laziest) way to do so is to introduce characters who kick their opponent's asses so hard that you have no idea how the protagonists are gonna win. Another method is to introduce characters who have a 'good' reason to win, like Shimon (who is a typical "I have to win because of a legitimate reason!!!" opponent) who is typically used in these kinds of shows to make the protagonist question his reason for fighting, etc etc, typical shounen crap. The way GBF plays with this trope and Shimon's character is legitimately interesting, but that flies over the heads of a lot of people who didn't grow up with or detests the tournament arc format.
That's why I keep making the toy commercial comparison. It's an actual, legitimate explanation for the plot and character structure being employed by the show. The same way that gundam shows keep reusing the same archetypes and tropes from its mother series and plays around with them to keep them fresh. And we accept that in Gundam, don't we?
>>11849821
What, its autism that every fight ending the same way with the same victor with zero effort or intrigue is boring?
Autists hate having their little patterns broken. If anything, the show's producers are autistic as fuck.
Not to say having a victory move sucks totally but if the buildup fight and the transition into the move isn't satisfying, the move itself unsatisfying or the writers lack the ability to rile people up behind it (The Big O did this wonderfully) then yeah, it sucks.
Literally, GBFT is a kid flipping the chessboard, claiming its a legitimate move and then taking it all the way to the top.
I can buy that Reiji had inherent skill, probably from piloting *REAL* mobilesuits -- but I don't buy that "The Earth" can just same-move using his shitty kiddy karate McDojo lessons to overcome every problem he faces.
>>11849829
Let's take for example the episode where Yuuki suddenly withdraws from the competition and half of the episode is about Reiji causing retarded drama. Or when he found the truth about Aila. Or how he raged how Sazaki wasn't worth fighting him with Gyan Gya Gyan because he always had to throw a fit when things didn't go his way.
Compare it to Sekai and how he was acting actually maturely for a kid when there was the whole issue with Shimon, Reiji would have never acted like that.
>>11849841
>from what those shows also have.
And that in no way excuses a fault so don't bring it up. Saying but it is an X doesn't stop a simple thing like underdeveloped characters being a problem
And yeah I know how shonen stuff works, you don't need to explain that genius. I've explain why that creates a problem already as they have no time to focus on the main cast. Well developed side characters and antagonists are great but it is bad when it's at the expensive of an underdeveloped main cast
> Shimon's character is legitimately interesting, but that flies over the heads of a lot of people who didn't grow up with or detests the tournament arc format.
No it doesn't, it really doesn't. Everyone understands what happened there. He was an interesting character and everyone understood why
>And we accept that in Gundam, don't we?
Cause despite using those tropes good gundam shows still mix it up and make the tropes interesting. Same with good shonen and battle shows. This hasn't
>>11849829
This, Reiji and Sei were great, if you disagree you literally suck dick.
>>11849467
>>11849853
>here Yuuki suddenly withdraws from the competition and half of the episode is about Reiji causing retarded drama. Or when he found the truth about Aila
Part of that is just him being competitive, and since they had promised to fight, Yuuki withdrawing would've been a dick move if he actually had just suddenly given up on the tournament. And the Aila thing was just drama that got pretty quickly resolved. It was kind of a silly situation in general with how seriously everybody there was taking it.
>>11849867
you keep whining underdeveloped though, when we've pointed out that the cast IS being developed, you just don't LIKE how they're being developed
we're basically locked in a spiral of personal preferences clashing at this point, basically, because you just plain don't like what the show is doing even when it technically satisfies all the stuff that you're asking for it. The main cast is receiving focus, you just don't like how they go about it, the show is mixing up its tropes and its ideas, but you just don't like how they go about it, etc etc.
At this point, why not just drop the show if you're not enjoying it?
>>11849890
Even if he was being competitive(just like Sekai, Shimon and Sudou are, and none of them have acted like that), it doesn't change the fact that some people won't like a character who's like that all the time and doesn't even get much(if at all) development in that regard.
We went from WORLDS to Nationals.
We went from you lost? I HOPE YOU KNOW HOW TO REBUILD YOUR GUNPLA MOTHERFUCKER to Just put baby casual mode so that your Gunpla is not hurt :)
I'll let the second thing pass because Nats is supposedly full damage on Gunpla but the first one is inexcusable. Lowering the stakes of everything simply lowers my interest as well.
S1 felt like a love letter to gundam oldfags that could still be enjoyed by children and even newfags all the same. S2 is a toy commercial all the same but they seemingly forgot the love letter part. There's just no charm. it feels like they are doing the bare minimum to make the series "work" and that's it.
>>11849494
>It's during the same season as G-Reco
This right here.
I'm not saying that G Reco is blowing it out of the water, but with both seasons airing people are turning this into a pissing contest to see who's show is less shitty.
If Try was the only Gundam on TV there'd be far less complaints about it, the same goes for G Reco.
The characters in BFT are pretty cool.
Though Yuuma is an uptight cunt, Ral doesn't seem to actually coach, Gyanko is the only side character that gets screentime/matters.
The fights are boring to watch, which is a huge problem in a show about fighting.
Almost after every episode of BFT I go back to watch a few episodes of BF because BFT fights are so terrible.
>>11849806
> Are we really saying that Domon couldn't have beaten him WITHOUT God Finger?
Yes actually. Sai was in the middle of using a sure fire technique that the show tries to present as giving him a high chance of winning the match, if at the cost of his own life. Domon had to do something fast to win that match before Sai could use his technique. So he had to use a high power technique and not his machine-cannons. Not to mention that it doesn't matter what he could have used, what matters is what he DID use. Which is the God Finger.
> I like how you ignored every other instant of God Finger not working
I like how you ignored the fact that I said that most, if not all of those instances happen in the latter half of the show and that Try is already presenting Sakai as running in to folks he has trouble beating simply using his normal Jigen Haoh stuff, between Sleggar and Adou now we've run in to two folks he couldn't simply Jigen Haoh in to submission. I don't know that he won't win over all those opponents by Jigen Haoh'ing harder, but then, neither do you. So it's a bit early to say the show never did it as compared to G when G mostly did it in the back half of the show too and we're not even at the half way mark of Try yet.
>>11849920
Blame Meijin III and Nils, they're responsible for it so everyone could enjoy it equally.
Saga Adou is the dark knight that tries to get things back old way.
>>11849920
This
>>11849896
>when we've pointed out that the cast IS being developed,
They aren't though. Fuumina never gets fights. Sekai runs around be punching shit. We barely see them hang out outside and not just talk about the next match. That isn't developing them as there characters aren't changing, being pushed forward or overcoming personal issues
Plus that was not the point made here >>11849841 it was don't judge as it's a toy commercial and shonnen.
>we're basically locked in a spiral of personal preferences clashing at this point,
No it is you don't respond to points and just claim it's X so any fault is fine. That's not preference it's not addressing points
>The main cast is receiving focus, you just don't like how they go about it,
Go on then describe those scenes. The only time I can think they hang out is G-Muse episode which teh hanging out is a montage and the Mirai episode that I admit is good. That's 2 out of about 12. Not good
Direct sequel syndrome is the worst thing ever.
>>11849229
Is it wrong that I'm enjoying everything in BFT EXCLUDING the actual gunpla fights?
>>11849972
Not really. The 3 vs 3 formats really hurts the quality of the fights. Wasn't there someone from the staff complaining about it and everything?
>>11849972
You can enjoy and dislike what you like anon. Just give good reasons if you want to make it a discussion
I agree 3v3 isn't working. Not that it can't but it leads to team mates dispearing for huge chunks while they appear to do nothing.
Personally I think it being set how it is in general ruins variety, it means we get no large scale battles. Why not have early rounds be a fuck load of fighters at once or something
>>11849972
It needs more actually cool suits such as Lighting and R-GyaGya doing something. To me Build Burning is Build Boring because I don't really get the point of mecha without cool weapons.
>>11849939
Edgelord was extremely entertaining and has shown more personality than practically all the introduced characters so far combined. I look forward to seeing more of his hijinks, and hope all the newly introduced people are as entertaining as well.
>>11850000
What?
The Lightning is one of the most boring MS in the show.
>>11850000
I´ll give you R-GyaGya, that thing is really cool and they didn´t do enough with it.
However Lightning Gundam is all around a boring gunpla.
>>11849980
The sad thing is it could have worked. Japan just has such a hard time dropping shitty tropes and actually working out how a fight would work.
They should sit down with a big sheet of paper and work out what each side's best move would be and then try over and over until they find a way to get the team meant to win to win using this trial and error.
Then you should turn the error itself into the foresight and anticipation each side has: "If I do this, this will happen and then..."
Sit down and look at some of the more interesting fights in all of history in warfare, be it navel, tanking or infantry. Look at what works and why in MMA. Look at what builds an enthralling story in Pro-Wrestling that gets even the most jaded fans excited (Japan have an AMAZING pro-wrestling scene because they really *GET* storytelling -- strong-style and joshii being AMAZING). I'm surprised we don't have like a particle based grappling system or invoke the way mobilesuits lock beam-sabres together into some sort of dynamic with real elements you can anticipate and get behind.
We don't hear any talk of remaining energy or ammunition or the planning around those things, which are the backbone of whenever we say for example, watch AC:VD matches.
We saw it in ALL of Build's better fights: Particularly between matches against opponents that already knew eachother's machines, working out what strategies were viable before actually entering the fight.
If you want to pull a surprise that turns the match on its head, this is Gundam: Use a hidden gimmick that either wasn't there before or is concealed in the design some how.
We're here for two things with Gundam:
Kick ass robot fights and how the experiences around those fights force our cast to overcome problems:
The joy of Gundam is to grow up without putting away childish things.
>>11850000
The problem with build burning is there is no mystery. Shinning Gundam had powers we didn't understand, you wanted to know more. We can guess how build burning works and know what's going on with it, there is no mystery
Plus it just isn't very impressive when it does stuff
>>11849229
Nah, Try is better. The only real loss is a mega milf.
Though we do get some hot onee-san to make up for it.
How can you call this beauty boring
>>11850019
>Use a hidden gimmick that either wasn't there before or is concealed in the design some how.
This is what Sekai's kung fu should have been. Different abilities that keep coming and help out
When he first made a tornado it was awesome as you didn't see that coming, I laughed cause there was going to be situations he could use that later but won't as this is just a silly show. But then he does it again, and again for what feels like very week. Suddenly the move loses it's charm
Basically you can get away with dumb ass pulls if introduce more dumb moves that make matches entertaining.
>>11849742
>>11849509
These bring up the majority of my issues with Try.
3 vs 3 conflicts have the potential for amazing dynamics. Early elimination of one or two teammates due to how it forces the other team members to compensate. Larger teams can lead to more diverse tactics and forced mismatches. They did a bit of this for the regional finals, but for the most part the conflicts have been pretty dull.
Choreography could help, but this season's execution has been less than inspiring. The first Yuuki fight at BF episode 2 was a curbstomp, but it had me with it's portrayal of the zaku's razor sharp moves.
The extended focus on the single elimination basically means we see just more one shot rivals. Hopefully we're at the stage where rivalries can really be built up. Maybe someone who could bring out Fumina to the fore since Sekai and Yuuma seem to be the only ones with a dog in the fight. Perhaps someone that forces her into a stronger leadership role rather than just being the bridge.
>>11850033
It's boring because it hasn't done anything particularly awe-inspiring
>>11850033
It's honestly quite boring. T
The thing is "cool" and all but compared to most machines it's vanilla as fuck and it doesn't even has tacticool appeal like, say, Kampfer Amazing.
>>11850022
I can live with it not having mysteries because these ARE just toys, you can't get much more mysterious than it being built by legendary builder and it was hidden in classroom for some reason.
It's just not aesthetically pleasing and lacks weapons.
>>11850022
> Shining Gundam had powers we didn't understand, you wanted to know more
I don't want to just say bullshit, but I certainly don't agree. Shining Gundam was never presented as something with hidden powers that you were supposed to be wondering about. Nor was God. I don't think you're supposed to be with Build Burning either. You're supposed to wonder what their pilots can break out, not what they can break out.
>>11850046
>you can't get much more mysterious than it being built by legendary builder and it was hidden in classroom for some reason.
We know exactly what it is running on though, well anyone who watched BF does and we have no reason to suspect more is going on with it as it has not done something new
>>11850062
>Shining Gundam was never presented as something with hidden powers that you were supposed to be wondering about.
apart from it does show mysterious powers like turning gold and being storng enough to fight a Gundam which is basically space satan.
>>11850043
I feel like Lightning isn't finished yet, much like Yuuma's own process healing as a fighter. Like he said he was focused only in creating beautiful gunpla, which shows in Lightning: beautiful, but still lacking something. I believe he will upgrade it soon now when he was destroyed by his nemesis.
But will B.Burning get upgrade? It's kind of difficult case because technically it already should be finished, and it's not built by anyone of their team.
>>11850063
>as it has not done something new
Sei apparently learned how to plavsky so hard the Burning can transfer the damage it receives to the user. That's quite new.
>>11850063
What about the fact that it transfer the damage directly to the user?
Insert generic complain about SDs here
>>11850088
The SDs were great in episode 4, Winning is just awful.
>>11850072
>But will B.Burning get upgrade?
They should do more to have Sekai learn about Gundam and gunpla. Like have him show an "upgrade" but all the nubs are still on and he accidentally cut half the headpiece off and have him asking annoying questions about shows
>>11850071
It doesn't though. Domon turns gold, the suit just reflects it. And it isn't strong enough to defeat Space Satan - Domon is the one that does that, in concert with his lover. On foot. Which happens in the finale of the show. Nor does the show build the God Gundam up as having some mysterious power that may allow it to defeat the Devil Gundam. It builds Domon up.
>>11850093
Honestly, I'm kinda annoyed that Lady is apparently gonna have an SD and I'm praying with all my soul it's just a let's use a SD to fuck up Fumina because she's using a SD too moment and that her main machine is something else.
>>11850106
SD > hg
>>11850106
Hopefully winning will get to actually battle it and not just what Yuuma did this episode. Though Burning getting owned by an SD would be fun
If you like GBFT you seriously neeed to reconsider everything you've done in your life.
Why is /m/ so fucking shit for everything outside of gunpla thread?
>G-reco
YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, TOMINO IS GOD
>try fighting
I H8 EVERYTHING, FUCKING SD
>SRW
LOOK AT THAT SHIT ANIMATION
BFT porn is the cancer that's killing mecha. Seriously, I can't go anywhere without seeing it.
>>11850134
tripfag is the cancer killing /m/, seriously, I can't go anywhere without seeing it.
>>11850134
Fumina really ruined everything, I don´t get why there is a fanservice character in the main team.
>>11850134
It's a little out of hand. A handful of lewd is nice but I think there is more lewd Gyanko than the rest of BFT fanart and G-reco combined
>>11850134
That's another thing I don't like. The obvious cash-in pandering with the girls.
Gyanko's whole existence is everything wrong with the industry today and let's not talk about Fumina's inability to find clothes capable of completely covering her body in any manner. Shit it's way too on my face to be tasteful.
>>11850131
>G-reco hater whine about try haters
Why?
>>11850139
Not really, Gyanko has nowhere near the lewd that Fumina has.
>>11850140
>Gyanko's whole existence is everything wrong with the industry today
Why?
>>11850140
You are everything that is wrong with /m/
Do you hate SRW for pandering to mecha fans too? you are in a fucking board about cartoon robots. How elitist and pretentious do you have to be? Fucking neckbeard piece of shit
>>11850148
She may have overtaken now but back when she was new Gyanko was everywhere
>>11850147
>G-reco hater
I haven't shit on G-reco once, but G-reco fanboys act like G-reco is perfection and Tomino is god and any discussion is impossible.
>>11850137
> I don't get why there is a fanservice character in the main team
There isn't. There is a character that the fans are sexualizing the hell out of in the main team. Exactly like the original show.
>>11850153
At least she doesn´t go around half naked.
>>11850155
>G-reco fanboys act like G-reco is perfection and Tomino is god
>any discussion is impossible.
I H8 EVERYTHING, FUCKING TOMINO is not a discussion
>>11850140
> inability to find clothes capable of completely covering her body
> if a girl shows any skin she's a slut and there's something wrong with her
No, there's something wrong with you if you're really that fixated on her just because she's showing her stomach and calves off.
>>11850153
Again, not really.
Fumina has always been the most popular character the nips like to sexualize. Gyanko has always been a distant second and Mira third.
>>11850167
that would be a disgrace to the glorious principality
>>11850163
>There is a character that the fans are sexualizing the hell out of
She wears skin tight short shorts and the smallest tank top possible. She was dressed for pandering. BFT is more that kind of show so whatever but don't deny it
>>11850150
>Calling others neckbeards for not liking otaku pandering being shoved down their throats
Might wanna look at a mirror so you can notice the real neckbeard here son.
>>11850163
Except Fumina's was obviously designed so that people would sexualize her to hell and back. Much different from a character people liked and started to sexualize for reasons that are not she's half naked 90% of her screentime.
>People saying that Fumine and Gyanko are not obvious as hell otaku pandering
Boy, what's next? That the Winning is a very interesting Gunpla? That Yuuma is a cheerful kid? That Sekai has a PhD? That Yuuki is not hot?
Please.
>implying S1 characters weren't made for pedos
>>11850193
I won't deny that but Fumina is a worse offender in that regard than Gyanko.
>>11850193
Even if they were, so what? Yuuki clearly panders to female audience, that doesn't stop me from liking him. I honestly fail how "Gyanko's whole existence is everything wrong with the industry today".
>>11850182
>I hate fanservice in a children cartoon about plastic model kits coming to life fighting because I am a sophisticated individual with good taste.
Just because you are a worthless egotistic pretentious sack of shit it doesn't mean you are not a neckbeard.
>>11850194
Literally no one expected Sazaki to end up as popular and he ended up being.
Shotafags will obviously latch on Sei and the other kids but it was more of an universal appeal thing that anything.
>>11850193
I don't see how Gyanko falls into that other than her having big breasts which almost all of the females in GBFT and GBF have.
Fumina however was made for sexualizing.
Don't forget this scene, if this had any girl working out in skintight suit then suddenly everyone would cry about otaku pandering.
Sunrise has been doing this multipandering thing for years, it should surprise anyone.
My favorite moments of Try have all been moments where Yuuki was involved.
Just looking at Nils on the preview excited me more than entire episodes on Try.
I'm not even sad. Just disappointed.
>>11850193
Gyanko doesn't pander that much really, she barely has any fanservice,
Fumina and Mirai have a lot more of that going on but I guess I should cut Mirai some slack since she is the show's model. It's kinda her thing.
>>11850181
> She wears skin tight short shorts
No, she wears skin tight shorts. They're not short shorts by any stretch, and together with the undershorts she wears they go almost all the way to her knees.
> the smallest tank top possible
A good deal of which is negated by the fact she almost always wears a hoodie with it. You can see her stomach, so what? It's just stomach.
> BFT is more that kind of show so whatever but don't deny it
It isn't, and is more reflective of the fact that teenage girls these days dress in a way that shows off skin a lot of the time. A show reflecting the society making it in it's fashions? Whatever will they think of next.
>>11850182
> Much different from a character people liked and started to sexualize for reasons
Not really, because Sei's physical character design and relationship with both Reiji and Yuuki was mostly likely intended to spark it just as much as Fuminas.
>>11849229
>team fight based gunpla battles
>Reiji 2.0
>Build Knuckle 2.0
>lack of interesting battles
>lack of interesting gunplas
>replacing GM Cardinal for Winning
>too many characters to fully develop each of them
>lack of Sei
>>11850218
Fanservice isn't just about bare skin. Gyanko is sunrise seeing Sazaki was popular and making a big boobed genderbent version of him who is also a brocon.
>>11850181
>pandering
>>11850243
>tfw Sei will be adult when he comes back
>>11850182
Please go back to tumblr. Your ilk is disgusting.
>>11850193
Why do people have a problem with attractive characters? I've never understood the internet having a problem with this, I've never seen anybody in real life complain about this sort of shit.
Even the shipping and couples feel forced and unnatural this season.
>>11850264
The Sekai and Fumina moments are just unbearable.
>>11850263
Hey, I'm not complaining. I'm stating a fact.
I've jacked it more than once to Fumina and god bless Sunrise for making her design as it is but if you are going to come here and say something that is not I'm gonna call on your bullshit.
>>11850263
Because they're pig disgusting and want "muh representation"
Like any ugly fatass would actually be a relevant character in just about any anime. In recent times at least.the world needs more Boss Borot, tho
>>11849329
i know for a fact that sazaki and his sister are exactly who OP was thinking about when he made this post
>>11850263
Some people here think that a woman showing off skin means she's a slut and/or whore. Which is just retarded. If a guy did it they wouldn't have any problem. They never call Heero a whore for instance and he wears almost identical clothes. They might say he looks goofy, but they don't think he's a slut or a whore.
>>11850268
Yea, so much better than the Reiji/Aila interactions of squabbling over food and then having Reiji act ignorant while Aila calls him a baka. I mean, that's so natural. I see that all the time in 5 year olds, why couldn't Sekai and Fumina act more like that?
Take off your googles, Try is pretty much identical to the original in this regard.
Season 2 should had been about Sei's journey into the World Championship without Reiji.
>>11850263
>Why do people have a problem with attractive characters?
Who said it was bad? It's just what it is, the character designs are fine but they were obviously developed to sell models for otaku's to wank on
>>11850273
Hey, I'm not saying it isn't sexual, I just don't get the whining about it being pandering, to the point that people are complaining about there being fanart, as if the sort of people making sexual fanart would be pumping out artwork of mechs otherwise.
>>11850285
Fumina even had a statue announced and I think that even the prototype was done before the damn series started.
>>11850288
It's possible they might otherwise be pumping out sexual artwork of mechs.
>>11850282
>we'll never see the rest of Sei's middle school years as independent fighter and Sazaki becoming best 16
>>11850285
So...exactly the same as the season one designs, both male and female. Rinko and Mihoshi being a good example of the females designed to attract model sales in season one. Sei being a good example of the female kind given that he's a rather generic looking shota with a budding relationship with two manlier looking characters who are all over him and with a third girly looking character who is also all over him.
>>11850285
Some how that is a problem but having a show based around plastic model kits is okay.
You fucking dumbshit pretentious imbecile. Here is an idea. Shut the fuck about pandering.
>>11850288
People are as free to not like a show geared to create lewds as they are to like it
Try is obviously a show that is for kids and otakus, some people wanted more out of it than that but it isn't. Both opinions are valid
>>11850263
Because some people are not attractive and can't stand to see a drawing get the kind of attention they themselves will never get.
>>11850306
No, it isn't. If they wanted to make fanart of mechs, they'd be doing it it. If there weren't women they liked in one show they'd be making fanart of women from another show instead.
>>11850309
Yeah sure if you think that's what they did then go for it.
>>11850311
Again, where did I say it was bad?
>>11850314
It was a joke, Lou.
>>11850312
> Try is obviously a show that is for kids and otakus
The problem is that those people are acting like the first season wasn't identical in this regard and trying to act like the first had some higher standards that Try should have tried to strive for. Try's problem is that it's too much like the original in a lot of ways, exacerbated by overreaching in that it's main cast is too big from the show's length.
Minato has been the best character so far for me. He's what I imagine this board would be like as a character.
>My shit > Your shit
>Dreams about gundam girls
>Likes obscure designs like ZZZ
>Argue with me damn it.
>>11850327
>The problem is that those people are acting like the first season wasn't identical in this regard and trying to act like the first had some higher standards
It did have a bit more going on and better pacing. Plus Team try is pretty badly written which I think is where people are really getting hung up. They may get better as time goes on but Sekai is a terrible character right now
>>11850345
Sekai is more likeable than Reiji though.
>>11850181
>>11850172
>>11850140
something wrong with all of you if you think showing skin automatically "sexualizes" a girl, ever. her clothes seriously have zeroooo to do with fucking anything other than your stupid imagination.
>>11850327
Try's problem is the massive cast, that's it. If you shaved it down, yeah it would turn out quite like the first season in structure and what not, however the lower cast number would allow the established cast to breather a bit more.
Right now the show is full of so many people they can barely breathe.
>>11850320
> if that's what you think then go for it
> Rinko is a busty MILF in a skintight sweater and skinny jeans
> China is a blushing schoolgirl DFC who fawned all over the main character
> main character was a girly shota in short pants who constantly tried to befriend everyone
Yea, if you don't think they were designed for people to sexualize you're pretty far in denial. Pretty much the entire cast is this way.
>>11850320
>where did I say it was bad?
What is the point of pointing out it is pandering then? What a waste of breath.
>>11850359
I said you have a point and said let people have their opinion and you are still a cunt, well done
>>11850345
>Sekai
>Bad character
I completely disagree with you.
He's actually the most decent character of the show right now.
>>11850140
>Gyanko's whole existence is everything wrong with the industry today
I'd understand if you were talking about Fumina or Mirai but what is wrong with Gyanko?
>>11850352
Why did you target me with that one (middle quoted post)? I said pretty much exactly what you just did.
>>11850362
cause it is? You took it as an insult but it is pandering just like all the references pander to gundam fans
>>11850365
This is why /m/ is so fucking shit. People just lay out XXX IS SHIT then act like it is a fact.
>>11850359
>Oh no how dare the cast be attractive
>why can't there be a boring uninteresting character like me
>>11850140
>Gyanko's whole existence is everything wrong with the industry today
>today
Yes, media intentionally including attractive characters is a recent trend.
>>11850367
eh, shit that wasnt intedended, just did some redundant clicking. so much hiveminding on this one thankfully.
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>>11850359
Not short enough. This used to be the standard length for little boy shorts in mecha.
>>11850351
>>11850365
Sekai just seem bland to me. Reiji was an ass at times but funny. All sekai does is follow people around and then go I WILL FIGHT YOU. Like what are his aims? He isn't even starting to love gundam
Why did so many people started to get butthurt over the people mentioning how Fumina and Gyanko are pandering and started to call them tumblerites who complain about not being "represented" and who hate "attractive" characters? You guys have some serious projection issues to deal with.
>>11850363
How is saying "Yea, sure, if you think so" supposed to come off as "you have a point" out of interest? If you do agree with me then there's nothing left to say really, but your post certainly didn't come off as agreeing with me to me anyways.
>>11850366
> What's wrong with Gyanko
> holy shit, this guy beat me - what a manry man, I will now devote my entire life to him and revolve everything about my existence to pleasing him or trying to bed him
It's probably not what the other guy thinks is wrong with her but I think she's a rather dull character because her entire character is fixation on Sekai. Fumina or Mirai might not be great, but at least they feel like they have other interests at present.
>>11850370
I am asking what is the point of bringing it up. If you are not going to comment on it then it leads to absolutely no where. Is pointing things out for no reason your personal fetish?
>>11850372
> implying that's what I meant
Read the quotes, I was posting them as examples of how the original show had just as much fanservice in it's designs as Try - not trying to say that it was a bad thing the show should refrain from.
I am boring though, sad to say. I don't fault a show for having attractive designs or people in modern fashions, male or female on the other hand.
>>11850389
>I will now devote my entire life to him and revolve everything about my existence to pleasing him or trying to bed him
Welcome to japan/women.
>>11850389
She is only like that when Sekai is around to try to get him to notice her and failing hard.
The parts where she is not with him she acts normal.
>>11850389
It's like you've completely ignored her pride as warrior and trying to show strong facade, attachment to R-GyaGya and motivation to create even better gunpla.
>>11850375
>landwhales
>attractive
>>11850386
>He isn't even starting to love gundam
>Last episode he was singing ZZ opening while on the car
>All sekai does is follow people around and then go I WILL FIGHT YOU
Sekai actually looks at his fuck-ups and tries to git gut and whenever there's a real problem he tries to find a proper solution to it instead of trying to just punch it in the face until it magically goes away. The kid actually thinks and does his best to learn which is something amazing considering his archetype.
>Like what are his aims?
Have good fights and have fun playing Gunpla. Simple but it works. Just because it's not some super deep and meanignful reason does not make it any less valid.
>>11850386
> He isn't even starting to love Gundam
> sings Gundam songs
> shown to enjoy building gunpla even if it's not his aim
No, they're just not having him focus on it. And his aim is pretty much identical to Sei and Reiji's - to win the championship. Sei wanted to because he wanted to do better than his Dad, Reiji wanted to because he enjoyed fights and Sekai wants to because he enjoys fights and wants to fight even stronger people too.
>>11850394
>I am asking what is the point of bringing it up.
Because it is a point. Not every point has to mean this is amazing or this is shit. People can decide for themselves
>>11850387
People don't want to tolerate attention whores who feel the need to be a special snowflake. It is a pointless and a tired topic that serve no purpose whatsoever.
Also you don't know what projection is. Be quiet.
>>11850411
>Last episode he was singing ZZ opening while on the car
He was singing with Fumina, unclear if he has even seen any Gundam yet, he certainly doesn't care for his gunpla yet
>Sekai actually looks at his fuck-ups and tries to git gut
No he doesn't, he does the same shit every match and has never learnt not to just run ahead
>The kid actually thinks and does his best to learn
Since when? Especially as he hasn't changed at all since episode 1
>Have good fights and have fun playing Gunpla.
So nothing really. Everyone in it likes playing that's the point. That isn't going to lead to an interesting resolution, that isn't something to help his character develop.
>>11850408
I'm ignoring them because they appeared to go out the window once she lost to Sekai. She appeared more interested in getting Sekai to notice her the day before a big match than the match itself. When she lost she ran away from Fumina citing having come up with a new idea for a gunpla because Fumina wasn't Sekai coming to comfort her and she didn't want Fumina to be the one doing it. She's a dull character to me. I don't fault anyone for liking her because none of the cast of either show has a lot going on at the end of the day and the show at least tends to make the interactions between them based on those one notes pretty fun, but she just doesn't push a button for me personally.
>>11850425
> He certainly doesn't care for his gunpla yet
> took the time to learn the exact limits of movement and how to duplicate them in other environments, something not even Yuuma has done
> acting like this isn't a sign of his love for his gunpla
> has never learnt not to just run ahead
> coordinated assault in swim team match and against Sleggar's team, followed orders as laid out before hand
So you're just not paying attention then?
>>11850427
>because Fumina wasn't Sekai coming to comfort her and she didn't want Fumina to be the one doing it
It's people like you who keep complaining over dumb things because you can't get hints of not even that subtle storytelling. She had to appear strong because she doesn't like showing weakness especially in front of her rival, even though she's rather sensitive(just like her brother). She acts strong but next shot we see tears in her eyes, because she's actually disappointed in HERSELF. It had very little to do with Sekai apart the whole promise with him, this isn't rocket science.
Also how you think she fell for him after he beat her up is all wrong. It was because he saved the important shield and then said it's a good shield. This is directly after she praises how this is the wonderful shield from her brother. Also in episode where she loses against Mega-Shiki she fell for him even more because he appreciated her as a fighter.
It makes much more sense than Aila falling for Reiji, for example.
>>11850444
She is also a good team leader.
I don't know if I would have the same patience as her with her two friends, they are not that good really yet she sticks with them.
I kinda want to see their story.
>>11850411
>he was singing ZZ opening
I refuse to acknowledge that as singing.
>>11850411
ZZ's OP was actually popular enough at the time that normalfag japs knew and sang it. It's not unlikely for him to have learned it through other means.
>>11850455
Her brother didn't have friends in school, she doesn't want to repeat his mistakes.
>>11850386
Reiji played off of Sei really well, Sekai just doesn't interact as well with his teammates. Maybe because he has two people to play off of instead of one, I don't know. But Sekai's interactions with his team mates don't feel as genuine as Reiji and Sei's were.
>>11850444
You're right, I had forgotten the exact cause of her infatuation. I'm not fond of her because her infatuation is pretty much the defining point of her character regardless. I didn't like Sazaki for the same reason. They're just not interesting to me. Like I said though, I don't fault the show for it. Neither show has ever set out to craft a deep character piece. The writers wanted fanservice fluff in both shows, wrote for that and while I don't like Gyanko that much a good few of her scenes are funny so the writer's achieved what they set out to achieve.
The show's fault isn't in it's characters, at least to me. It just over-reached with the team battles because the short episode length mean that the show can't really do it justice. The short episode order also means that the larger teams are harder to focus on than individuals. I'm not enjoying Try as much as the original, but I'm still enjoying it because while what it wants to do isn't deep, it's fun and executed pretty well regardless.
>>11850476
Sekai had no idea what gunpla or gunpla battle was and ZZ was before he was even born by several decades at the very least given Build Fighters/Try take place in the indefinite future. He isn't just going to know it from that.
>>11849273
God that was terrible. ZZ had terrible openings and they managed to make it worse.
>>11850509
>He isn't just going to know it from that.
Well thinking about it. In a world where gunpla has taken over like that where it can even make you a famous idol, people probably would know most of the songs even if they didn't care. It's like everyone can hum the star wars theme or imperial march
The real question is where was the little fuck for all this time so knows nothing of gundam? Even now in japan people know it is a big robot thing even if they don't care. Going back to star wars it's like everyone knows Darth Vader
You know what I find bullshit? Sei made the Build Burning and by sheer coincidence it's tailor-made for Sekai and his Jigen Haohs.
Bull fucking shit.
I honestly doubt Sekai sat through MSG, then Z, and finally ZZ.
>>11850526
We just need to see him watching stuff once or asking stuff about it. Even if he doesn't like it that can lead to him watching G and loving it. It's just a huge thing to miss in a show about fan service, the characters need to be able to deliver it
>>11850523
Most plavsky manipulation seems to favor melee weapons, just look at the Maoh battle in season 1.
>>11850523
Don't you believe in UNMEI? I mean first season Sei is in pinch and then he gets alien to save him. And that alien is just perfect for Sei's gunpla.
BTF is nothing but "everyone is a huge dick and takes Gunpla battles way too seriously". Really, everyone except the OOB Destiny guy and Gyanko is unlikable as fuck.
>>11850564
Reiji wasn't good with just Build Strike. He beat a whole Gunpla club with a fucking Ball. Reiji was a natural and would've been good with basically any Gunpla.
![(G_P) Escaflowne 25(1080p 10-bit)(C45CEBF8).mkv_snapshot_07.38_[2013.07.24_21.08.37].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xELLnwZ.jpg "(G_P) Escaflowne 25(1080p 10-bit)(C45CEBF8).mkv_snapshot_07.38_[2013.07.24_21.08.37].jpg")
>>11850564
>UNMEI
Would you guys enjoy it more if this went into an edgier direction where gunpla battle turns into gunpla death match?
>>11850665
no. That doesn't even make sense. People just want better fighter choreography which is made harder by 3v3
>>11850665
If it actually made the show interesting sure, but if it's just the same writing with random YOU DIE at the end of the fights then fucking no it would not improve the show at all.
>>11850665
No. There's already enough stupid drama in BFT.
>>11850665
Danball already did that
![Gundam Build Fighters - 16 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.12_[2014.04.09_17.28.20].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FzjazHB.jpg "Gundam Build Fighters - 16 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.12_[2014.04.09_17.28.20].jpg")
>>11850444
>It makes much more sense than Aila falling for Reiji, for example.
except that took time. Reijia and Aila built up their attraction over the course of a few episode. Aila fell for a nice guy who saved her from assholes and a shitty life.
Gyanko fell for the first guy who beat her. Really if Try Fighters didn't show up would she have fallen for Sleggar?
>>11850687
>Stupid drama
Welp, Maybe its time I caught up then.
>>11850665
NOPE, it's a cheap shit only shitty fan fiction writer pulls that shit.
![Gundam Build Fighters - 21 [720p].mkv_snapshot_21.35_[2014.04.10_20.40.01].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nPEht0U.jpg "Gundam Build Fighters - 21 [720p].mkv_snapshot_21.35_[2014.04.10_20.40.01].jpg")
that's another thing
Try lacks stakes. There's nothing going on her outside the tournament itself.
Reiji's a fucking Alien
Aila is trying not to starve/freeze to death
Nils is trying to discover unravel a guarded secret
all of these has a lot more weight going on to it than "our club wants to win"
>>11850715
They had stakes at the start as the club was about to close, they kinda forgot to keep it going. It should have been the building club had got it so the team would have to win the nationals to keep it on, something they thought was impossible.
This would give Fumina something as well because it is her club
>>11850702
No because he didn't save the shield and be nice towards her, which you seemed to completely ignore.
>>11850715
I'd rather watch characters like Minato who just happen to like gunpla instead some sob story how some poor girl apparently can't get insurance in the country of NEETs.
>>11850715
Those plotlines weren't really introduced at this point in the original; they started happening right about this time, and if you've been paying attention, the secondary plotlines are moving forward now.
>>11850715
>Try lacks stakes. There's nothing going on her outside the tournament itself.
>Reiji's a fucking Alien
>Aila is trying not to starve/freeze to death
>Nils is trying to discover unravel a guarded secret
Save Reiji, most we're introducted about mid way into the plot. Where this is about at.
As for stakes, Sekai took damage from a battle between gunpla. Thats something, not amazing, but something.
>>11850731
that would at least be something.
Sekai would still need a personal goal though. Someone up top said have him look for someone.
Maybe Fumina shows him a video of high level gunpla battle and he recognizes the JHS from one of the matches
>>11850702
Gyanko didn´t fell for Sekai because she beat her though, that was never the case. It´s how he behaved himself during the match with him saving her and aknowledging her love for gunpla and respecting her brother´s shields which she holds in deep affection.
Had Sekai lost instead she would have probably fallen for him all the same.
>>11850735
>No because he didn't save the shield and be nice towards her, which you seemed to completely ignore.
Damage level C.
he saved her model from NOT getting broken. How romantic. Her piece of plastic didn't fall three feet onto the floor.
Besides Sei had exact same reasoning as Fumina: to participate in the tournament.
