Why does profound literature have zero effect on people compared to augmented reality?
Is this something to dismiss as for plebs? Or as something completely separate from literature ("It's not even art!", "It's not the same medium!")
Or are things just as icy calm said they would be, technology working as an integral part of art (as it always has, not that the pseuds could realise this), and creating new forms of art that capture the imaginations of people better than old art forms (2D vidya, 3D vidya, cinema, books) ever could?
>>8273302
I wish I was there.I'm so lonely.
I can't play video games anymore. I think it's because I'm an adult now.
Because the zeitgeist of entertainment changes?
>>8273325
Just download Pokemon GO
that's all those people got there
>>8273363
>the hoarding of creatures for no purpose other than to boast to other players and demonstrate your superiority by displaying the size of your haul.
hasn't it always been like that in the original video games?
>>8273377
>Gotta catch em all
>>8273363
>Not wanting to catch them all
>Every game and episode was geared toward competition and victory. Gym badges, trainer cards, the elite four, etc.
Some of what you said had merit, the GB games were more artful, but that doesn't mean that this also doesn't capture the hearts of "trainers" who want to go out and dominate a fun game with friends and a community, all while keeping a large part of the spirity of the franchise intact
Also, Team Mystic is wisdom, aka /lit/ approved.
>>8273302
I should probably try Pokemon Go sometime. I love literature, but I feel like I should get out more and I hear Pokemon Go is kind of the perfect way to just meet people now. Isn't it somewhat amazing that a simple game has brought so many people together?
I also hear that some key spots for Pokemon Go are landmarks like sculptures or fountains in New York, which can only be a plus in getting people to visit areas with artistic merit.
>>8273363
>There was the loyal innocent Pikachu that so many people could not bear to see evolve into the more aggressive Raichu
1) Literally who?
2) Electric is a weak ass type, especially in the original Red/Blue (Magnemite family is good though)
>>8274086
>he doesn't choose squirtle or bulbasaur
whew
Rick Roderick from 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9WMftV40c&index=8&list=PLA34681B9BE88F5AA
>Let me describe this concept of simulation just a little bit though. Baudrillard’s definition of the real itself is that which can be simulated, Xeroxed and copied. So whether you are talking about a human body where you can make a holograph of it or you are talking about The Bible; which you could Xerox, or whether you are talking about the sexual act which could be simulated either through, you know, repetitive pornographic films or in a very near future it will be able to be simulated with virtual reality where you will wear a full body suit and make love to your ego ideal thus making it pointless to search out all the Freudian implications, you could just pick your ego ideal, punch it into the laser beam program, slip into the virtual reality suit thus rendering that relation, even that intimate relation – sexual relation – technological, simulatable, reproducible to infinity.
>Now all this sounds wild, crazy, and I don’t want it to sound wild and crazy, I want it to sound the way that I think that it really should sound and that’s as though we could place ourselves – and I have used this analogy before but I will again – as though we could place ourselves in that era right before atomic energy and television. Before we knew all the myriad changes that they would make in the way that we were and the way that we interact and so on.
>Well we are in a period now where I have already mentioned and these are the phenomenon that Baudrillard examines with the most care. Incredible information overloads with information moving at incredible speed and even to the youngest children. I have talked about how children used to learn morality from their parents and now I think that Super Mario Brothers; they spend much more time with Super Mario Brothers and are much more emotionally involved with Nintendo than they are with their aunts, their uncles, their mothers and their fathers.
>I asked one of my children “Why are you yelling at a machine?” when he began to bang his Nintendo, and he looked at me as though I were a being from another world and because of that there is a postmodern trajectory; I am from another world. I am still, as it were, caught in the modern; he’s not. Why not be emotional with a machine? His peers are machine-like; we have already discussed that. I mean in fact what he sees on the Nintendo screen is his thrill of the day. That’s the most active he’s seen any simulated image that day.
>>8274128
>Now simulation in this society didn’t just come from nowhere; this society of simulations and of spectacles. Baudrillard actually builds his work on a foundation again that comes out of the Marxist tradition. Guy Debord wrote a book in the sixties called “The Society of the Spectacle” and what it was about; was about how when capitalism reached a certain level of accumulation, commodities began to detach themselves and become images and citizen who formerly has played roles as political actors began to detach themselves from their own lives and become spectators.
>So for example you could say now, instead of going to a family reunion now we will just rent, you know, a Steve Martin Father of the Bride movie. It’s just as good and so on, and you meet the same kooky characters that you actually know; their behaviour is all simulatable. Another similar… this going to sound cynical but I don’t want it to.
>I mean, Baudrillard has visited our country and when he went to Disneyland at Epcot Centre and these various parks he said “Well this is much better than Europe. The food’s better than Europe, it’s a short walk between France and Germany-land, you know, you don’t have to deal with all those nasty waiters, everyone is so polite” The simulation has outrun the so-called reality. That concept in Baudrillard he calls the “hyperreal”.
You're just talking about emotions.
A temporarily "big" emotional impact does not necessarily equate to a profound experience.
>>8273346
I live in a bugfuck out of nowhere third world country. I don't even get a proper Google Map here.
People like to do things in groups. Pokemon Go is designed around the social activities it brings. Do you think anyone would have cared about the Pokemon games years ago if you couldn't interact with friends in them? Literature is something that targets the individual because reading is an individual act. Simple as that, I think.
None of you have any real understanding of why Pokemon was as popular as it was back in 1999. So you probably won't understand Pkmn go's success either.
>>8274222
found the kid who got bullied in middle school
>>8274359
>YOU DON'T GET IT, DAD
>>8274359
>Japan used a cartoon to market toys to children
hardly a cultural novelty
>>8274168
Where?
>>8274094
Brah, what I'm saying is you don't need Pikachu, the only available electric Pokemon at that time, to beat Misty, and Pikachu isn't of much worth after that anyway. A Wartortle can withstand Misty's water attacks with its stronger defense and an Ivysaur not only withstands water type but is super effective against Water.
>>8273302
I was literally there lmao. I don't play pokemon go so I had no idea what the fuck was going on
>>8274222
>he didn't have siblings to trade with and then trade back to evolve their Kadabra/Haunter/Graveler
kek, although honestly trade evolutions were a dumb idea
>>8273302
Literature doesn't physically cause people to go out and accomplish things, at the effect is insular and intellectual. The only reason that something like Pokémon appears to have an actual effect on an individual is because it compels them to do a visible physical activity of sorts. Literature does have a profound effect on the individual, you just don't wear it on your skin.
Is this a game for the Nintendo Game Boy? I'd like to try getting into video games.
>>8274740
>Ricky-boy
Also known as Ricky-Rod in some, more obscure, academic circles.
>>8275127
>Literature doesn't physically cause people to go out and accomplish things
No, but there was a time when it helped toward that end.
Pokémon GO is a great idea. Shame that they tacked its one cool feature onto a soulless F2P cash grab instead of making it a real Pokémon game
>Western Canon GO
Look there's a wild Shakespeare!
>>8274745
>and then trade back
The point of those was to trade them away. All pokemon that evolve through trading get the experience boost from fighting without the lower stats from that kind of training. So you p much gimped yourself bruh.
>>8275514
Lol pleb I bet you haven't even started with catching the Greeks and you want to catch the bible? PSEUDO GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY AUGMENTED REALITY
>>8273338
>that word, I don't think it means what you think it means
>>8273302
I heard that these hyper-autists were trying to catch poke-mans in Auschwitz. Spengler was right.
Also, is that legitimately what icycalm wrote? I tried reading his genealogy but I just couldn't with the pompous, pseudo-nietzschean writing style and cringe-inducing posturing. If that is seriously one of his points, holy fuck that is trivial.
>>8273377
>Implying 90% of /lit/ aren't exactly like that but with books
pokemon go is the greatest botnet yet and all these normies are falling for it
BNW soon
I'm absolutely convinced that the codex, manuscript text in book form, is going to by in large pass out of use within the lifetime of, for want of a better demographical term, "millennials". If you look back at the history of the codex and/or the novel it doesn't take too much effort to conclude that technological developments have had profound effects on the types of literary forms that people are engaged with. The novel is entirely contingent as a cultural endeavor and is becoming a redundant, fringe interest.
>>8274128
>>8274133
Does this profoundly scare anyone else? On the one hand, I absolutely feel the profound alienation that Debord and Baudrillard describe. On the other, it feels somewhat neckbeard-y to say, "I just deal with machines every day. I can't relate to people because they're not people anymore."
>>8275617
my body is ready desu
i've accepted that i get more out of online interactions than irl ones
Literature from thousands of years ago is still read, discussed, and used as a basis for people's projects and time and energy.
Thousands of years from now, people will probably not be basing years of their lives on pokemon go.
>>8275653
there won't be people then, but even today it's only a handful of nerds who spend years on the greeks
there are probably more furries than serious scholars of the ancient world
You're making large sweeping assumptions mate. I am currently going around my area looking for a Cubone and I am currently about to read Phaedo after just finishing Crito after tracking Cubone. Not to say that all of these people read Plato but they're probably more than just some faggot who plays Pokemon Go.
>>8275660
Not that anon, but what about the Lindy effect?
People aren't playing games for the xbox/ps2/gamecube anymore and it's only been fifteen years or so since those came out.
>>8275743
i'm sure there's a few nerds around that still play that shit. old arcade games and nes/snes shit is sort of popular.
probably more popular than the greeks. people really don't care about them any more in general.
>>8274359
Please enlighten us then
>>8275617
PLEASE just read Ted Kaczynski already.
Bite the bullet, read his collected writings (not just his manifesto), and gain understanding.
http://mataromorir.espivblogs.net/files/2015/01/Kaczynski-Technological-Slavery.pdf (.PDF)
>>8275822
the problem is, what do you do post-teddy?
really going innawoods isn't an option any more really, he demonstrated that himself
>>8275822
Kaczynski is essentially just regurgitated Ellul – or, the conclusions which must be self-evident already. Still a nice read, but you can't deny their failings.
>>8275869
didn't know about this lad but this picture is one of the comfiest and smuggest i know
>>8273302
What "people"? And who gives a shit? Of course you should dismiss it, as I should've dismissed your post. People do what they want to do, why waste your time posting about it on lit?
>>8275869
>goes on to list none
>>8275869
the conclusions obviously aren't self-evident, though. he really opened my eyes. I know he only built on Ellul but he specifically packaged it for the masses and primitivist neophytes.
anyhow, doesn't hurt spreading the message
>>8275914
could you tl;dr his conclusions?
iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli
uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim
imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se
continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat,
pokemanem et circenses.
>>8275306
When?
The only books worth reading are technology books.
>>8273302
I'd compare Pokemon Go to a sport rather than art.
Check out the effects happening here. Wow games that require physical activity make people do physical activity, how profound.
The Gutenberg press was the embryo of augmented reality. From there it was telegraph, radio, television, and... here we are on 4chan. You are influenced by the content you perceive, whatever else you might think about it. Reality is distorted, recombined, fixed, filtered, disintermediated, deterritorialized.
As the Last Psychiatrist said: if you're watching[/reading/listening/looking], it's for you.
Virtual reality is only the culmination of man's persistent attempt to encase himself within a Gnostic reality preferable to that in which he evolved. It is the desire to escape, to transcend our mortal bodies.
This is what happens when monkeys figure out how to use tools to make tools to make tools, and so on.
>>8275943
VR quake type of tournaments on international tv when?
>>8275955
that's a black mirror screenshot innit?
good ep
>>8274565
West Sumatra
Optime volo,
sicut nemo unquam fuit.
Eos captare rei probatio est,
mea causa exercere.
Et peregrinum super terram,
quaerens et in latitudine.
Doce Pokemon intelligere,
quod virtus est in medio.
>>8275990
Pokémon, et eam mihi
Scio suus 'fatum meum
Hui, amicus meus es
In mundo quodam, oportet defendere,
Pokémon, a corde, ita vera,
Animus noster, et congrega nos,
Tu doceas, et docebo vos
Pokémon!
Gloria capere em omnes!
Gloria capere em omnes!
Pokémon!
>>8273302
Instant gratification.
/thread
>>8275940
not him, but there's a reason governments would ban books
>>8275922
technology has stripped man of meaning, freedom, and dignity, and unless there's a revolution overturning industrial society it will only get worse.
that's the extreme tldr, but his manifesto + collected writings really aren't that long.
