ITT great Catholic writers.
Was Chesterton catholic?
Graham GreeneAnne Rice
>>8261478
Yes.
All of them.
>>8261475
Dante
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jGplItD.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
Max ResDefault, a french.
>>8261502
Anne Rice is an apostate.
>>8261475
>mfw vatican ii destroyed the solemnity of the mass and now catholics will grow up to be no better than prods
the end of catholic high culture is nigh
>>8263352
>nigh
>implying it isn't already dead and buried
>>8263352
>liberal-apologist pope doing everything he can to appease sjws
yeah, """nigh"""
Arthur Miller
Pinecone & DeLillo
>>8263379
More like pseudo-reactionary catholics, waving around some piece of creed to prove their superiority, all the while giving no two shits about actually being catholic. They're basically like Marxists who write a hate-filled rant about Trotsky and then go shopping at Ikea.
>>8261475
>>8263326
I hate that stamp, but she's fantastic and more of a "catholic author" than any of the raised-catholic-but-not-practicing and/or incidentally catholic authors mentioned here
>>8261475
Muriel Spark
Literally all of them except Dostoevsky and Tolstoy.
> Shakespeare
> Joyce
> Dante
the list goes on...
>>8263352
Have you talked to kids that go to Catholic school? That time is long since passed, brother.
>>8261617
He wrote Orthodoxy and Heretics while he still was an Anglican, though
>>8261475
Hillaire Belloc.
>>8261475
Mark twain
William Faulkner
Herman Melville
The list goes on
Pic related
>ITT: Good authors who happened to be Catholic
C.S. Lewis
Based Tolkien
>>8261475
What is a Catholic writer anyway? Do they write about Catholic themes? What are some of those? Or is there a particular Catholic style they use? Would it make sense to call them Christian writers, or is it specifically Catholicism that defines somewhat (how?) their writing?
Would you call Russian writers Orthodox writers just because they were baptized Orthodox, or do they qualify only of they feature Orthodox themes (what would those be?)?
Would you say there are Protestant writers? Calvinist, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist or whatever, writers?
I keep seeing this label and I've learned what /lit/ considers Catholic writers without understanding what this is supposed to mean.
>>8265432
I'd say it means they're practicing, and that their religion is a recognizable and important influence on their work. Their books might reflect common or profound aspects of the religious life of people of that faith.
I would say that Dostoyevsky is an example of an Orthodox writer. Milton, of a Protestant. I wouldn't call Joyce a "Catholic writer," even though Catholicism has an influence on his work.
Demaistre
>>8265710
>alter
>>8263352
As someone who was raise catholic I can assure that there's nothing left.
There was a Muslim in my school.I'm British of course
>>8266164
Jesuits fucked it up, such a shame.
On topic,
Gene Wolfe is my nigga
Flannery O'Connor is amazing
Hilaire Belloc is top historical dialectic, no wonder Hayek and Hannah Arendt were influenced by him.
Graham Greene was a bit of a disappointment, but still a quality author.
Dante, of course, being Dante.
Alistair MacIntyre, or however you spell it, After Virtue is really great.
Edward Feser is too, incredibly insightful.
>>8261475
Wolfe has tons of incredibly sneaky thomism, I'd characterize him as the person who made a novel out of thomist metaphysics.
>>8265728
Why not call them Christian writers? That distinction I can understand, but what is specifically Catholic (not Protestant or Orthodox) to all those writers mentioned above?
Or, say, what would be different about Milton's or Dostoyevsky's works had they been Catholic instead?
>>8265144
religion is not something you practice by accident. it's not like ethnicity or nationality. if they were opposed to catholicism, they probably would not have identified as catholic.
Friedrich Schiller
Gotthold Lessing
Johann Herder
Heinrich Heine
>>8266583
>Why not call them Christian writers?
You can, but they are vastly different in approach and aesthetic.
>That distinction I can understand, but what is specifically Catholic (not Protestant or Orthodox) to all those writers mentioned above?
Themes. Redemption through confession and sacramental nature of reality is specific for Catholics as well as a whole different theology and metaphysics.
>Or, say, what would be different about Milton's or Dostoyevsky's works had they been Catholic instead?
Dostoevsky is universalist in terms of his Christianity, or rather he is not that specific as say Gene Wolfe or Chesterton.
He is much more in mysticism and monasticism, his views are also very anti Catholic and russiophile.
lmaooooooo
I didn't know this board was still stuck in the fucking dark ages haa
get fucking woke
>>8266654
Joyce has a strong Catholic aesthetic, but he wasn't religious so I wouldn't clump him with other Catholic authors.
>>8263698
The Big D wasn't Catholic.
>>8266308
>Jesuits fucked it up
How exactly?
>>8267342
Main order to introduce modernism, shit theology and bad schooling.
>>8261475
>great
>Catholic
>writers
>>8264104
nice bait
>tfw Jews and Muslims at my """""""""""""""""""""""Catholic"""""""""""""""""""""""" university
Brackets contain my recommended book.
Shusaku Endo (Silence), Miguel de Cervantes (Don Quixote), Gustave Flaubert (Madame Bovary), Gabriel Garcia Marquez (One Hundred Years of Solitude), F. Scott Fitzgerald (The Great Gatsby), Robert Musil (The Man Without Qualities), Stendhal (The Red and the Black), Honore de Balzac (Le Pere Goriot), Gunter Grass (The Tin Drum), Kate Chopin (The Awakening), Emile Zola (Germinal), Alfred Doblin (Berlin Alexanderplatz), Carlos Fuentes (The Death of Artemio Cruz), Ernest Hemingway (A Farewell to Arms), Evelyn Waugh (Brideshead Revisited), Alessandro Manzoni (The Betrothed), Victor Hugo (Les Miserables), Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa (The Leopard), Jaroslav Hasek (The Good Soldier Svejk), Margaret Mitchell (Gone with the Wind)
>>8267553
Plenty of those hardly wrote even Catholic friendly novels.
>>8267553
Some more recent ones.
Cormac McCarthy (Blood Meridian), Anthony Burgess (A Clockwork Orange), Graham Greene (The Heart of the Matter (The Power and the Glory)), J.R.R. Tolkien (The Lord of the Rings), Muriel Spark (The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie), Ernest Hemingway (The Sun Also Rises), Don DeLillo (White Noise)
>>8266657
"Dark ages"
2016, Viewing history in a horizontal line.
Fucking pleb.
>>8265122
"Europe and the Faith" should be required reading in Catholic schools.
>>8267593
I picked those that spoke on Catholicism and considered themselves a Catholic.
>>8265144
"If you had been a native of my country or I of yours, neither of us would have been famous."
>>8267615
Could you link to me where he said he wasn't Catholic? I know he used to be but maybe he lapsed.
>>8267553
this is fucking bullshit, half of those didn't even consider themselves catholic
>>8267631
Show me which ones aren't Catholic.
>>8263352
There will be a Catholic revival.
Vatican II itself did not destroy the Church's tradition (for example, it asked for Latin, Gregorian Chant, and ad orientem in the Mass), it's the optimistic, worldly, modernist "Spirit of Vatican II" that exploited the ambiguity of the conciliar texts that the modernist experts present at the council had lobbied to have them included. It's also a fact that the Catholic Church was infiltrated by communist agents, CIA agents, masonic agents, and God knows what other agents.
Anyhow, this post-VII degeneracy is largely a western phenomenon, and it is basically a surrender to western liberal culture. The post-VII period is really the Americanisation of the Catholic Church. Once the USA loses power and western liberal society in general begins to collapse, the Catholic Church will no longer be sucking up to the liberals and communists in power. There will basically be in an inquisition / culling in the Church. As soon as tolerant, enlightened, multicultural western culture pulls itself apart (which it is already doing), the whole justification for Vatican II will fall apart. As soon as the socialist governments begin to actively persecute the Catholic Church (e.g. forcing gay marriage on the Church), or the rising muslim population in Europe begins to become a real threat, the Catholic Church will no longer suffer delusions that it can accommodate itself to the "modern world".
>>8267626
I remember him saying that it depends on the day. And a person who is Catholic 3 times a week is pretty lapsed.
>>8267638
Hemingway, McCarthy, Marquez, Zola, Balzac.
Not I haven't read half of the list so I can only speak for these.
If anything, we can agree that they weren't pious and that their Catholicism didn't influence their writing, except with Corncnob, but he's more into Gnosticism anyway.
>>8267638
flaubert, delillo,
>>8267645
The main problem is the lack of intellectual commitment in the clergy.
Layman have a lot more output, which is not the ideal case considering the vocation of every priests asks for it.
>>8267656
I have heard that DeLillo was actually pious, but cannot believe it judging from his work.
