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Previous: >>8155979
Any recs for erotic sci-fi and fantasy? I don't care about subtlety, just hotness.
Help me name my JRPG parody. I'm thinking something with Eternia, Fantasia, Tales, Quest, and/or Chronicles, maybe with a fantasy name generator generic name in front of it. Or just Eternia Fantasia Quest Tales Chronicles, but if I can't make it euphonic I probably shouldn't.
Loving parody, poking fun at the cliches but playing the story mostly straight a la Soon I Will Be Invincible.
>>8163896
Gave the Selected Fantasy chart a little update; replaced two authors books with better (in my opinion) starter books, replaced the YA pick, while good is probably not what people here are interested in and took off Hobb/Locke Lamora because they're actually kind of ass. Give it a look if you're looking for something new to read.
Also I'll take this moment to shill 'The Buried Giant'. Everyone here needs to read it, it's short, stand alone and very good.
>>8163914
Is parodying eastern story telling a novel concept? I've never seen it done before.
27 days until The Great Ordeal
Get hyped!
>>8163917
The only Murakami I've read is HBWATEOTW, and while his writing style really grates I've found the story growing on me. Especially after someone mentioned it's just about growing old.
>>8163922
Probably not. Maybe not in prose form. I just love the aesthetic and want to tell a story in it, from the perspective of a mid-boss that infiltrates the party in disguise. Clashes with the hero because they're the same archetype, they both fall in love with the healer, there's airships and knights with bolt-action rifles, main characters are revealed to be relatives and this is telegraphed miles in advance but everyone still acts surprised, that sort of thing.
>>8163933
>like the aesthetic
Idk how. Eastern writing is weird AF. I feel like the Asians are secretly aliens.
>>8163933
>Murakami
Ishiguro is British and writes originally in English.
>>8163942
That's news to me. What books has he written in English?
>>8163946
After a little research, just Hear the Wind. Now that I think about it, I remember HBWATEOTW having some translation quirks.
Murakami doesn't write in English, he's just the greatest Westaboo to ever exist aside from maybe Kojima.
>>8163956
He wrote one novel in English and translated that into Japanese.
What is the best style of writing for an epic fantasy? Third-person limited (italicized or non-italicized internal monologue)? Third person omniscient (like LotR and Narnia)? A mix of the two? First person?
I am hesitant for omniscient because it doesn't seem like it would sell these days
>>8163955
Hm...
>>8163903
HELP
>>8163961
I prefer Third person limited.
>>8163903
Gor
>>8163961
Multiple POVs is all the rage right now. Think Asoiaf, Wot, Malazan.
>>8163965
He wrote it in English to get the rhythm right, translated it into Japanese, and had this guy translate it from Japanese into readable English.
Really makes you think.
>>8163961
I think it'sit depends.
>>8163744
Yeah I read those. Galaxy of Fear. They were fun as fuck desu.
>>8163961
2nd person imperative
>>8163961
I used first person and found it very limiting for the genre of fantasy, as it's really hard to have stuff going on outside your character. Third person omniscient is only worthwhile if you're planning on some big political thriller or having lots of intrigue etc, I personally prefer third-person limited.
>>8163985
How would this even work? Would it be instructions from the author to the reader?
>>8163988
The thriller voice seems like it would be very handy to use. Limited third-person for the (often several) heroes, every now and then an omniscient third-person to describe what the bad guys are doing, even chapters in first person from a character whose voice you like. And put the looming disaster in omniscient third at the beginning of every chapter.
I don't know why more hack fantasy writers don't do this.
Repost from previous thread.
>>8163390
>he hasn't read Bakker's short stories
Nope. Are they good? Is there some kind of omnibus or collection I can get?
>>8163996
>Limited third-person for the (often several) heroes, every now and then an omniscient third-person to describe what the bad guys are doing, even chapters in first person from a character whose voice you like.
I don't like swapping from third to first person unless you have a framing device, like in The Name of the Wind.
Otherwise this is how I'm writing my current story, third-person following the heroes and occasionally cutting to the bad guy. I think third person works particularly well for classic fantasy (like LotR) where the story is like a tale or a legend, and first person is better for really character-driven fantasy (like Hobb).
Is WoT the longest fantasy series?
>>8164019
The Vedas are longer
>>8164064
Yeah but those are like, the Hindu sacred texts, not exactly a "fantasy series".
>>8164071
Ha. All religion is fantasy.
*teleports away*
>>8164098
Yells at you*
"You forgot your katana, Hiro!"
>>8163977
I'm so fucking bored with multiple alternating POV, more often than not It's detrimental and adds absolutely nothing.
>>8163928
i don't see what the big ordeal is
>>8163928
Why the fuck do they have double faces anyway?
>>8163917
>this is my general and I will decide what you like and what you don't
>>8163928
I'm finishing up The Thousandfold Thought right now and I can't believe /sffg/ looks down on Bakker so much.
Prince of Nothing is one of the best fantasy series I've ever read. Can't wait to see what happens in Aspect-Emperor.
>>8163956
>>8163917
Hobb should be put back on. If you really hate the Farseer Trilogy that much (and I don't blame you), put Ship of Magic there instead.
>>8163961
I write first person short stories.
I find it really handy to write in first person because you can basically cut all exposition.
>>8164311>expect us
>>8163979
Just like me. I write it in english to get the style and rhythm right, translate it into korean then translate THAT into higher quality english to make it sellable. I take part in the translation process to make sure stuff keeps its theme and ambiance. Too bad I don't trust my english enough to just fucking publish it the way I wrote it.
>>8164358
I'm not really interested in reading Hobb anymore, I gave her a fair shot in Farseer but it was just an underwhelming experience. The Ship trilogy seems to be 2500+ pages long too which makes me think she continued her filler trend of 'nothing happening' for hundreds of pages.
>>8164368
Perhaps, though I don't want it to get too bloated. The idea is people can read the wildly different stuff on the chart, figure out their taste and then go from there / ask for recs in the thread. And the other charts are already massive in size so yeah.
Am I the only one that thinks dividing sff into new and old instead of good and bad is utterly retarded?
How do you write a journey? Do you describe every tree they pass by, or invent random encounters to keep the reader with the attention span of a goldfish interested?
>>8164400
>Am I the only one that thinks
I love how when someone starts their sentence like this 100% of the time they follow up with something everyone agrees with.
>>8164399
I know what you mean, I want to like red knight, but it's so shit. It borrows a bunch of tropes and makes all with them. Story is not engaging, nor interesting.
I would say fuck sffg, but hull 3 zero and iron dragon daughter was great.
>>8164399
>I'm not really interested in reading Hobb anymore, I gave her a fair shot in Farseer but it was just an underwhelming experience. The Ship trilogy seems to be 2500+ pages long too which makes me think she continued her filler trend of 'nothing happening' for hundreds of pages.
It's a bit slow compared to other authors, but not Farseer slow. She follows a lot more characters rather than having just one protagonist, so there's usually interesting stuff happening around the place. It does take a bit of setting up, but that's the nature of stories in fantasy worlds with complex character relationships that require establishing.
>>8164403
>I love how
Am I the only one that thinks that anyone who starts their sentence like this is 100% of the time an insufferable cunt?
>>8164402
Write it as it would happen in real life. Say you lived in Kansas all your life, then you went on a road trip from there to europe, with small spurts of air travel. Your eyes will be filled with wonder, because you are experiencing things you never experienced before.
Same shit in fantasy, have the protagonist / what-ever-gonist have open eyes as they travel, because they never saw shit like that. It doesn't have to be a bumpkin, but where you're transporting them through has a different culture.
Say ear lobes are sexual, but not breast, breast are just globes of fat cor feeding the young. They wear these nun hats (can't remember the spelling) but they cover the ear, but all women, even grannies have shirts with their breasts just out there.
You make the places alien to the main traveller's point of origin as possible.
>>8164402
You don't, very rarely do people care about the actual travelling, they care about the destinations in-between.
>>8164402
>Do you describe every tree they pass by, or invent random encounters to keep the reader with the attention span of a goldfish interested?
Don't include anything that doesn't further the characters or the plot.
>How do you write a journey?
The level of detail should be equal to the relevance to the story. So if they wander a road that doesn't matter and they won't come across again, simply use a sentence or two to say that it's paved and bordered by trees or whatever, and use your word count elsewhere. Conversely, if they reach a city they're going to spend a while in, take the time to describe what stands out about it to the characters.
>>8163917
>anything the chart anon dislikes is great for the selected chart
>throws in red knight
Why not add Dhalgren and Hogg to that list? Maybe story of the eye?
>Taldain currently inaccessible to the Cosmere
oOoOoOoOoOo
>>8164098
*trips on your fedora*
>>8164309
The fuck are you talking about faggot? There's plenty of Bakker fans here.
>>8164348
That guy's supposed to be Japanese? lol
I guess the guy thought making his eyes look Japanese would offend people or some shit.
>>8164523
That was my thought also.
>>8164311
First Law is the greatest work of post-modern fantasy that exists
>>8164529
It's the work which cannot be made sense of unless the person plays video games.
>>8164400
Well the person who accuses everyone of not liking the new stuff because it's new is the only one around doing that and he's a mental cripple.
>>8164554
Elaborate
>>8164168
Because he's analien flesh crafting sorcerer
Is Jack Vance someone you should aspire to emulate in your writing? Why or why not?
>>8164565
It has no descriptions.
It is incapable of creating the mental image in the reader by its own prose and relies on him being into things his mind can combine into an image.
It's extremely poor writing.
The reason why older novels, especially realism had so many descriptions is because people didn't have movies or video games so they strived to help them in recreating the scenery.
In comparison, First Law has none because everyone who reads it already has the layout prepared by other works, mostly video games.
>>8164572
If this is your biggest complain then it sounds like a pretty good book to me.
>>8164614
Well if the complete garbage for prose isn't big, don't know what is.
But other than that, it's too long, has bad characters and there's only one thing good about it, which is Glokta. Everything else is straight out bad, bland, lacks imagination, generic etc.
The novel has almost nothing good about itself.
>>8164571
I wouldn't recommend it, nobody got even close with Songs of the Dying Earth.
Let's do this again.
Match em all.
>>8164486
>Taldain
Wtf is that? I don't speak sandersonfag
>>8164720
5,6,7, and 14.
>>8164733
just a bit of banter those people couldn't handle
>>8164561
>the person who accuses everyone of not liking the new stuff because it's new is the only one around doing that
Shows what you faggot, I'm not the only one that call you guys out on the old books, I may have started using fossil fuels and dinosaurs, but I'm not the only one who uses it.
Also look at my list you faggot, I read new and old, it's the dinosaurs that say: "older books have withstood the tests of time, and are therefore better, nothing new is of literary value". They then go on to suggest Conan, Grey Mouser, etc.
Maybe you guys are trolling, and trying to waste people's time by suggesting old boring books, then samefagging about how great it was.
I see many people post how shit those books were, you all assume anyone calling your precious mold inspiring books is me and I just laugh.
Gfy, then kys.
>>8164788
Have you considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, Gray Mouser and say, Way Of Kings are BOTH good, just in different ways?
>>8164720
1 sometimes
4 sometimes
5 arguably
6 but everyone does it
7 hahahahahaha
8
14 bc of course
>>8164795
That's just crazy talk anon
>>8164795
Have you looked at that list? I read everyone, and enjoyed them. You think they are all published 2010 and up?
>>8164800
Yeah but you seem to have a bone to pick with Lieber since you consistently mention Fafhrd&GM as an example of "dinosaur book". So I'm asking you, have you even read it? And if so, what exactly did you find unlikable about it?
>>8164800
You clearly didn't read Gormenghast, yet you shittalk it every day with your dumb picture.
Besides K. J. Parker his books, what are some of the most depressing, sad novels?
No happy endings, just likeable characters who can't have anything good happen to them
>>8164816
Gormenghast has no superficial elements for his tiny brain to enjoy.
Most fantasy has 'cool' elements so even retards can enjoy them, but Gormenghast is pure modernism.
>>8164874
Stoner by John Williams
White Nights by Fyodor Dostoevsky
A lot of short stories by Chekhov and Flannery O'Connor
>>8164874
In SFF, I think Scanner Darkly might be close to what you're looking for.
>>8164883
>Stoner
>SFF
wat
>>8164883
The ending of Stoner might be categorized as "happy" depending on your interpretation. I understood it asW.S. finally coming to terms with himself and the world around him in his final moments, reconciling the conflicts in his life and taking solace in his admittedly small achievements before dying in peace. What more can a man ask for?
>>8164888
It's science fiction because in the real world there are no Katherines, only Ediths.
>>8164888
None of these are sff.
I don't know of any depressing sff stuff, aside A Scanner Darkly, which I forgot, but another anon remembered it for me.
>>8164893
Well I didn't find it as sad as the others I recommend, but it's more the melancholy of the entire novel and mistake upon mistake upon mistake he keeps doing, especially withthe way his daughter turned out, a slut and a drunkard, with no sense of responsibility or honor.
>>8164896
Baxter's stuff can get pretty downbeat, but more in an "inevitable heat death of the Universe" way than anything to do with individuals.
>>8164903
Well I've never read him, so there's that.
>>8164902
The daughter turning out like that was no fault of his,she was fine until his cunt wife took her away from him out of spite and basically ruined her.
>>8164907
I don't think Edith was self aware enough to do it. She had a pretty good husband, but was too stupid to realize it and try to work things out. She's almost a caricature of the most vapid type of women you can find.
And his resignation helped, after a while he didn't do anything with her or try to influence her. He just didn't fight for his daughter at all.
>>8164914
Edith was just another victim imo, raised like a nun in a gilded cage and with no idea of how to function in the real world. She wasn't even really evil, more like clueless and honestly thinking her actions were for the best. And to her credit, she tried to make the marriage work in the beginning and she never cheated on Stoner when she easily might have had. More than he can say.
>>8164919
Well she is a victim too, especially since you can read into her being raped by her father, not sure how well that theory stands, but it's interesting.
Edith is the perfect example of Hannah Ardent's banal evil lol
That story in Everything Which Rises Must Convergewhen the granpa in a rage kills his favorite granddaughter and in the confusing he walks into a river and drowns himself
Right in the heart
What are your favourite animal books?
Duncton Wood and Watership down are great.Not fantasy but Dog of Flanders is a really heartwarming story that will make you a very happy man after reading it.
>Tfw months until Blood Mirror
Is The Animals of Farthing Wood better than ASOIAF?
Why is Malazan so shilled here? It's a terrible series
>>8165033
Because it isn't.
Wait, so was ralik nom the lord of moonspawn? and he was some shape shifter?
I haven't read any Bakker before but have noticed his name in these threads a few times. What are his books like?
>>8165115
Gay rape and incest.
>>8165071
Am I confused?
>>8165117
Be quiet
>>8165115
Dune meets grim dark Tolkien
Any Russians or those more ahead of the curve than me heard any word about Mosco 2035?
I was really let down by 2034 so I'm hoping for a joyous comeback with this one.
>>8164720
1,4,6,7,14
Thats the reason why I stay alone every evening and spend my time reading sff.
>>8165209
According to some slav-anons, it's plenty better than 2034, but apparently not in the same vein as 2033.
>tfw i started learning Russian to read 2035 in it's original language
Shit's way easier than moonrunes, though the pronunciation fucks me up a bit.
>>8165248
>it's plenty better than 2034
hoho ho excellent news. And yes nothing can live up to 2033.
And grats for learning Russian, I could never do that.
>>8165256
I'm using Duolingo ten minutes a day, m8, i'm sure that by next year i could probably read a paragraph this way, and so could you.
>>8165200
That doesn't sound half bad, how is his prose?
>>8165351
Better than GRRM but less than Wolfe.
He can wax philosophically on occasion but if you can put up with that it's pretty gud
>>8165200
So if I don't like either of those I will hate it? Damn.
>>8165386
That sounds pretty great actually. I like Wolfe but sometimes he can be needlessly complex.
>>8164572
>It is incapable of creating the mental image in the reader by its own prose and relies on him being into things his mind can combine into an image.
What do you mean by this? Elaborate. Give a good example/snippet of a good description. I'm writing a story and I think I've described a scene well along with the details on it, but I want to perfect it or compare and contrast with other writings.
>>8165123
Rallick Nom is the assassin, Anomander Rake is the Lord of Moon's Spawn (pic related).
so after reading BOTNS some time ago, ive finally decided to start reading BOTLS
...and so far its really boring
what am I missing here? is it just not that good?
>What struck me on the beach–and it struck me indeed, so that I staggered as at a blow–was that if the Eternal Principle had rested in that curved thorn I had carried about my neck across so many leagues, and if it now rested in the new thorn (perhaps the same thorn) I had only now put there, then it might rest in everything, in every thorn in every bush, in every drop of water in the sea. The thorn was a sacred Claw because all thorns were sacred Claws; the sand in my boots was sacred sand because it came from a beach of sacred sand. The cenobites treasured up the relics of the sannyasins because the sannyasins had approached the Pancreator. But everything had approached and even touched the Pancreator, because everything had dropped from his hand. Everything was a relic. All the world was a relic. I drew off my boots, that had traveled with me so far, and threw them into the waves that I might not walk shod on holy ground.
Holy fucking shit
I don't even believe myself but this is fucking beautiful. Thanks for the rec, guys. I mean it.
>>8165701
I know, right? Blew my mind too. Then when he talked about wearing argent, the color brighter than white, it just made everything complete.
I haven't read Urth yet because I don't see a need for it.
>>8165723
Urth is a lesser book because Wolfe didn't really see the need for it either but the publisher made him write it.
Still fantastic though.
>>8165661
With first law there's literally no descriptions.
He never writes about architecture, scenery, clothes, mood, weather.... I mean all the things any writer should describe in more or less detail.
>>8165736
>He never writes about architecture, scenery, clothes, mood, weather.
Just like Robert Jordan.
>>8165661
Now some nice prose in sff
“Sometimes driven aground by the photon storms, by the swirling of the galaxies, clockwise and counterclockwise, ticking with light down the dark sea-corridors lined with our silver sails, our demon-haunted sails, our hundred-league masts as fine as threads, as fine as silver needles sewing the threads of starlight, embroidering the stars on black velvet, wet with the winds of Time that go racing by. The bone in her teeth! The spume, the flying spume of Time, cast up on these beaches where old sailors can no longer keep their bones from the restless, the unwearied universe. Where has she gone? My lady, the mate of my soul? Gone across the running tides of Aquarius, of Pisces, of Aries. Gone. Gone in her little boat, her nipples pressed against the black velvet lid, gone, sailing away forever from the star-washed shores, the dry shoals of the habitable worlds. She is her own ship, she is the figurehead of her own ship, and the captain. Bosun, Bosun, put out the launch! Sailmaker, make a sail! She has left us behind. We have left her behind. She is in the past we never knew and the future we will not see. Put out more sail, Captain for the universe is leaving us behind…”
― Gene Wolfe, The Citadel of the Autarch
“Gormenghast, that is, the main massing of the original stone, taken by itself would have displayed a certain ponderous architectural quality were it possible to have ignored the circumfusion of those mean dwellings that swarmed like an epidemic around its outer walls. They sprawled over the sloping arch, each one half way over its neighbour until, held back by the castle ramparts, the innermost of these hovels laid hold on the great walls, clamping themselves thereto like limpets to a rock. These dwellings, by ancient law, were granted this chill intimacy with the stronghold that loomed above them. Over their irregular roofs would fall throughout the seasons, the shadows of time-eaten buttresses, of broken and lofty turrets, and, most enormous of all, the shadow of the Tower of Flints. This tower, patched unevenly with black ivy, arose like a mutilated finger from among the fists of knuckled masonry and pointed blasphemously at heaven. At night the owls made of it an echoing throat; by day it stood voiceless and cast its long shadow.”
― Mervyn Peake, Titus Groan
>>8165661
“The Brinktown jail is one of the most ingenious ever propounded by civic authorities. It must be remembered that Brinktown occupies the surface of a volcanic butte, overlooking a trackless jungle of quagmire, thorn, eel-vine skiver tussock. A single road leads from city down to jungle; the prisoner is merely locked out of the city. Escape is at his option; he may flee as far through the jungle as he sees fit: the entire continent is at his disposal. But no prisoner ever ventures far from the gate; and, when his presence is required, it is only necessary to unlock the gate and call his name.”
― Jack Vance, The Star King
>>8165688
It's not nearly as good and is easily Wolfe's worst long work. Soldier, TWK, Short Sun and of course New Sun are much better.
It's not bad, just not on his level. It does grow on you and is necessary for another of his masterpieces, Book of the Short Sun.
>>8165701
Every time I read this paragraph tears run to my eyes. No author can do to me what Wolfe can. I've read this maybe 50 times over the years and it never ceases to strike my heart.
>>8165673
Ah thank you I was confused.
There are so many characters and similar names
>>8165748
Unrelated but for some reason I find stuff like this on 4chan easier to read than on my Kindle. I'm assuming it's because line breaks are annoying and break focus with dense stuff. In particular the Titus Groan intro, I found it confusing on my Kindle but now that I read it it's pretty smooth. Maybe that's because I'm reading it for the second time though.
I just read by The City And The Stars by Arthur C Clarke. It's the first book I've read by the author.
I was most impressed by his prose, which is eloquent; plain but not terse, and vivid in places, particularly in describing ecology and exotic flora/fauna. I have read people who say his prose is leaden and stiff but I don't see that in this book.
He also manages to compress myriad themes and things to think about into just 250 pages.
>>8164163
it's just the best book of 2017?
>>8164168
originally they didn't have a human head/face, that was bio engineered.
>>8164309
>>8164519
not really...maybe on old /lit/, but there's days there's absolutely no discussion... nobody makes any effort, all comments are short and lack any subtlety.
I too have given up, what's the point of making an effort if at best you can hope for is a stupid 3 word answer ?
>>8163896
how old is too old to read fantasy? cuz i feel like i am too old for fun now.
>>8165895
For as long as I've been here I've been hearing about the old lit.
Protip, it never existed and was always shit, and so isbakker
>>8165931
How old are you?
I'm pretty sure if you read it for 5 years intensity you run out of all quality in it.
>>8165931
Depends on the book, not on the genre. Gormenghast is probably mostly enjoyed by older people.
>>8165952
>not giving a child Gormenghast to eliminate any chance they'll love reading
>>8165931
There is no such thing as too old for fantasy, good fantasy at least.
You should drop shit like Eragon and Shannara as soon as you're over 16, but the good books can be enjoyed at any age in my opinion.
>>8165947
i am in my late 20s.
i have heard good things about gene wolfe and one of his books is on the /lit/ selected fantasy thing. is the second book, the wizard, good, too? i don't want to read the first book in a series and then drop it.
>>8165991
It's one book split in two for publishing reasons and it's fantastic.
>>8164880
>for his tiny brain to enjoy
I think you are mixing me up with T-Rex sama.
>>8165748
I thought Wolfe was supposed to be a genius or something. How did he manage to fuck up spelling boatswain?
![Korean-Subway[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9WTi0iO.jpg "Korean-Subway[1].jpg")
>>8164384
What else are you going to do, publish in Korean?
>>8165895
But it comes out in 2016
Unholy consult is slated for 2017. Hopefully that sticks.
>>8165877
His characters are flat and sometimes he fixates on pretty dumb ideas about society but yeah, he's actually pretty great at describing the environment and places and general setting. And he's very economical, which I appreciate all the more given the current fashion for verbose door-stoppers and interminable serials.
>>8164631
I have to agree that the trilogy itself is kinda bland and lacks imagination. Standalones really fleshed things out for me. I've faith in Abercrombie.
>>8164966
Age of myth is weeks away anon, it should fill the gap a little.
Also, fuck arc anon.
>>8166659
Wait what, he's already finished all the books in the series?
>inb4 still have to wait a year for each one to release
Cosmerefag what Sanderson books are coming out this year? Other than the comic book.
>>8164731
>What is <thing from book series I haven't read>?
It takes true talent to be this dumb, anon. Congratulations. ^_^
>>8166771
>White Sand Volume 01 (the comic book)
>Novella collection (every novella plus a new Stormlight one
>>8165033
Shit taste confirmed.
Just finished pic related. Truly I have been judged for shitposting in the previous thread. Hearken me, ye fellow degenerates, lest my fate be thine. Dost not the heroine woo dragons within? Yea, even the king of dragons? Wilst thou readest theconsummation of their love? Avaunt, say I!He becomes human first. Apologies if this disappoints you.
>>8166872
>It takes true talent to be this dumb, anon. Congratulations
:^)
>>8167113
>woman author writes a book
>it's romance
>romance between a woman and a dragon
>dragon porn
The thing is women can write, there are some great worlds crafted by women. It's just that sooner or later the book devolves into the protagonist fiending for a dicking from the antagonist. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Some are great at hiding it, they keep their gushing wet walls wrapped up until the second book, then after you're committed, they throw themselves on the dick and don't look back.
Some might have a Herculean strength and hold off for 4 books maybe 5, but in the end they all spread eagle for the in coming dicking.
>>8167140
>EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
I must have missed the bit where Jonathan Strange wants a "dicking" from the Raven King then.
Can someone leak the great ordeal please??? I need to read it???
>>8167152
>missing the subtext
What do you think Thistle-down Hair did at his parties?
>>8167140
I must have missed the subtext that Fitz wants to be fucked by Regal.
>>8167161
Get on my level, faggot.
>>8167157
>thinking Thistle-Down was the antagonist
He's supposed to symbolize the "old wild magic", an unpredictable force.
>>8167170
>thinking there was an antagonist
>>8167152
>I'll read a post part way then comment on it without finishing
>>8167174
There is, in a way. It'sNorrell.
>>8167176
No, I read the whole thing, it was all focussed around that central point.
If I really enjoyed all of Tolkien's stuff but particularly Children of Hurin what should I read next?
>>8167285
Worm Ourobouros?
>>8166565
I'm already published in korea but I'm no national sensation, I'm more of a small local knick-knack. I wanna publish short stories in english to test the waters, see how they're received but idk where's a good way to start, especially that I'm foreign. It's not like a random lit magazine is going to publish a nobody.
>>8167447
>It's not like a random lit magazine is going to publish a nobody.
They will if they're genre magazines.
http://semiprozine.org/semiprozine-directory/
Is David Gemmell worth reading? I like Glen Cook and I've heard the Drenai series is good if you like the Black Company series.
>>8167447
>I'm already published in korea
Best Korea?
>>8167152
Speaking of JSAMN, how was the BBC adaptation?
>>8167576
Pretty solid, they got the tone of it just right even though things are a bit compressed in seven episodes (no little side stories about Martin Pale, and the Strange's tour with Wellington is just one episode).
Any love for Peter Watts on this board? I feel like they guy might be starting to run out of ideas, Echopraxia was a bit of a let down after Blindsight.
Your thoughts on Wheel of Time?
https://youtu.be/A8JBiwVUs8c
>tfw no qt WoT loving bf
>>8167749
I'm 20% through book 6. World building is incredible but holy shit the padding, so much padding.
>>8165033
It's okay but Malazan fanboys are the most avid ones out of any fantasy series and will shill it constantly.
>>8167749
Average: The Series.
>>8167749
Finding one is really easy, trash fantasy has a lot of readers.
What are some books I can just pick up and read for 30 minutes and put it down?
Malazan chapters are too long for that, besides I don't enjoy it too much either way.
>>8167832
Every book? Or if you're worried about size, something shorter.
>>8167466
I enjoy them. They're solid heroic fantasy.
>>8167836
Not too worried about size.
As long as the chapters/subchapters are relatively short., Malazan really isn't something you can read during short breaks.
>>8167846
Book of the New Sun has pretty short chapters in general, like 10-15 pages
>>8167870
Thanks for the rec.But I've already read and reread it
>>8167832
Lovecraft, Moorcock, Smith, Vance?
Pretty much just fucking anything Dino likes.
>>8167712
>I'm so new you can still smell the vapors of faggness wafting from my person
>all reviews of Orphans of Chaos are women complain about misogyny
I'm intrigued, anons, tell me more.
>>8168250
holy fuck those reviews LMAO
>>8168261
Seems like all of his newer stuff is like that, as far as perception of them goes anyway. And it's a good sign, honestly, thus far he's been real fun to read.
After years of reading I can say that I prefer woman writing.
Tends to be more emotional than idealistic which I prefer.
Only problem is when some series slowly or sometimes not so slowly turn into harem erotica.
Any recommendations?
>>8168280
I only read good books so I don't have any female written books to recommend you
>>8168280
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrel
>>8168286
That was written by her husband and published under her name
>>8167558
Well we don't have our own internet and media so you can guess how pleb we are.
Anyway is there a site where I can post short stories for grnuine critique. Sff of course.
>>8168302
It's because of this massively gone up on my to read list, God help me pass civil law and I'll be able to read more.
>>8168280
C. J. Cherryh.
Check out her Fortress series.
Then read everything else :3
>>8168306
>tfw on the verge of failing Constitutional Law
Civil (ie, tort) law is easy m8. Half of it is negligence. Just remember reasonably foreseeable and you're guaranteed a pass.
>>8168302
> Only in their teens do the five discover their true identities:
> "Primus," who calls himself Victor Invictus >Triumph, learns that he is Damnameneus, one >of the Telchines;
> "Secunda," Amelia Armstrong Windrose, is >Phaethusa, daughter of the Titan Helios and >the nymph Neaera;
> "Tertia," Vanity Bonfire Fair, is the Phaiacian >princess Nausicaa, daughter of Alcinuous and >Arete;
> "Quartinus," Colin Iblis mac FirBolg, is >Prince Phobetor, son of Morpheus and >Nepenthe;
> "Quintus," Quentin Nemo, is Eidotheus (or >Eidothea), son of Proteus and the Graeae.
This sounds like massive shit, like Animorphs level shit
>>8168250
>>8168261
" UM, I DON’T AND I BET THE MAJORITY OF YOUR RAPIDLY FLEEING FEMALE READERS DON’T EITHER. The skeeviness continues, with Amelia—who despite her up-for-debate actual age, is in the body of a 14-year-old—being forced by her supposed friends to dress as a slutty maid and serve them, being erotically spanked by the headmaster, being preyed upon in various ways by the lecherous gardener, being forcibly decked out in a skanky dress and makeup and chained to a wall with a big metal collar for said gardener’s pleasure…"
I'm sold.
>>8168318
Isn't this THE "little girl protag" book the guy was asking for?
>underage
CHECK
>she gets raped
CHECK
>>8168318
Oh my. Welp that's on my list now.
>>8168310
It's not the subject, it's the professor, like all hard subjects really.
Also, constitutional law was easy, but took 2 months to pass due to nature of exam.
>>8168330
Ah, yeah that's always the way. A good professor makes any course easy, and a bad one makes any course hard. I have a terrible Constitutional professor, and I had a terrible Contracts one. I don't pity you having a poor Civil law professor, there's a lot of content. Thankfully I had a great one.
Well, fellow law student, wherever you are, I wish you luck in your course so that you might read of bondage and sexual roleplaying with a 14 year old girl in happiness.
>Mr. Wright; this'll just kill you that you bought all that tripe from your porn collection! The big-secret-that's-not-so-secret is: Women do not get off on being raped. It doesn't excite us; it only excites you.
This is objectively and demonstrably untrue. It's extremely well established that huge numbers of women have rape fantasies (that doesn't mean they want to be raped, just that they like thinking about it), certainly more than men fantasise about raping.
>>8168338
The course is easy and there are two professors, and the rational one I can reach in 25 days, 4 days for the insane one.
It'll just be a waste of time.
Law school here has an attitude of superiority and a constant ego trip which makes it pointlessly hard.
>>8168354
I know a lot of women who can't get off without choking or some similar violence simulation.
It's weird, but daddy issues are a thing.
>>8168315
I was always appalled by how much /sffg/ likes Wright. I myself wonder how he manages to function IRL without choking on his own pompousness.
>>8168302
I've read it. The kids are from different styles of myth, and their powers let them alter the paradigm of the universe while they're the main observers; like, the main girl is a multi-dimensional being, so she can hop into the fourth dimension and walk through walls; another kid is from a completely deterministic universe with Newtonian physics, so while he's around the speed of light doesn't have a limit. Kind of a cool system really, there's four paradigms that each have one of the others they conquer, neutralize, and are conquered by, and two half-systems.
The rapey stuff isn't that prominent. The narrator is a teenage girl. And she does get a little excited when the headmaster spanks her. But she doesn't like it at all when Grendel tries to marry her. Women, right?
There are a lot of cool scenes in it, like when Grendel's mother capsizes a cruise ship and starts picking people off, or when they try to plant the Union Jack on Mars and the god Mars shows up and stops them. Those were in the sequels, it's kind of slow picking up.
>>8168303
If it's short enough you can submit it to The Bard, they've been shilling in these generals for a few days.
>>8168393
>The rapey stuff isn't that prominent.
Interest lost.
>>8168315
It's fun exactly because it's so pompous.
>>8168318
I can't seem to find the third book to download.
>>8168315
Whoa. Animorphs was good, you nigger.
I really like it when "good" authors attempt YA, probably gonna pick up this Orphans of Chaos book.
Any other instances you know of this? As in something with actual themes and decent prose while still being a fun read, rather than vampire romance triangles.
>>8168437
John Barnes' Jak Jinnaka books were like that for me.
>>8168437
What does YA even mean?
>>8168448
Young Adult, basically just a cast of teen characters. Preferably little girls, as the protagonist.
>>8168453
That means nothing really.
>>8168467
Generally YA books have more action and less advanced vocabulary. They often have youthful protagonists and are overwhelmingly in first person perspective. They are intended for audiences roughly between the ages of 12 and 18.
>multiple lawyersin training in thread, there are even some self confessed STEM majors
No wonder yall look down on fun books and try to make people read dusty old tomes. The dino anon was right, you may not be dinosaurs, but you are lecherous old grandpas trying to siphon our youth through these threads.
Enjoyed getting cucked by the gardener when you are off working to feed your wife, and your wife's kid, you massive keks.
>>8168474
Young adult is for 18-27
Teen is for 12-18
>>8168510
Is Dostoevsky young adult? It's about young adults without advanced vocab.
>>8168510
YA is high school. Middle grade is middle school. Children's lit is elementary school. 18+ are expected to read adult lit like John Green.
>>8168510
No, not at all, Young adult is 12-18.
>>8168510
YA fiction is for 10-15 olds.
The word "Young Adult" means the age group you mentioned, but it's different in the book world.
>>8168510
For some reason I used to confuse adoloscent with young adult.
>>8168510
No way this is correct. YA is written for like 16 year olds.
Plus I see these two categories condensed all the time. Maybe 16-20 yr olds
>>8168523
They aren't young adults, they are children.
>>8165701
>>8165723
>>8165764
>tfw i read that and felt nothing
Maybe it has something to do with me only finishing Shadow of the Torturer so far, but i didn't felt any emotions when reading that.
>>8168537
It's because Wolfe is a better author than we are.
>>8168537
It's a brilliant culmination of everything the novel was about.
>>8168467
YA is the western form of anime.
In Japan Naruto, Bleach, Dbz, etc are marketed towards teens, they have elements in their stories which cater to the reader's wants. There is a little bit of everything in those books to capture as many self inserts as possible.
Well same shit in the west, it's just that we don't always include a horny loli, gratuitous shots, trying to make you question your sexuality (traps), almost rapes, girls confessing that they want to be dicked, girls acting like bitches then suddenly spreading their legs and begging you to take them while their faces are turned away.
I have to laugh at the girl saying they don't want to be raped. They have fantasies about a strong man throwing them down and having their way. It's just they want it to be a guy of their choosing who they probably like (a chad), and not some unwashed, unkempt, beta, Doritos fingers (like are found in this general).
I had girls at work smile at me and ask "like you're being to be a rough lover", because I snatched shit from them. They want it rough, but like always they don't want to admit shit out loud. I bet that same "Danielle" likes to be choked during sex. Bitch be putting on airs.
>>8163928
26 DAYS
IT COMES
>>8168541
The first paragraph couldn't be more wrong if you tried. YA is a demographic, anime isn't. What you listed were all 'shounen' shows, aka directed at young boys and the equivalent of YA.
>>8168545
The stick in your ass couldn't be any deeper if you tried
>>8168510
You're an adult once you're old enough to be drafted.
>>8168506
>getting this mad
STEM MASTER RACE HERE
Enjoy accounting to nothing in your pitiful life, read all your Sanderson and Weeks and shelter in your mother's basement like the shriveled husk of a NEET you are, too afraid to get blow away by the hint of hardship and responsibility. Nu male scum.
>>8168548
A young adult is someone who hasn't been an adult for long
>>8168559
In American public schools it's a polite way to refer to teenagers that doesn't involve spelling "adolescent."
>>8168547
What he's saying is that there are other types of anime which explore complex themes and philosophy, like "JoJo's Bizarre Adventure".
>>8168541
Novels are the western form of anime*
YA is the western form of shounen/shoujo/teen shit
>>8168547
>say something retarded
>get called out on it
>sperg out
Hello child.
>>8168570
Japan has novels too you know. Western anime is cartoons. I almost want to say YA = light novels but the latter has some publishers making stuff aimed solely for 20-30 year olds whereas YA is still dominated by 15 year old girls over here.
>>8168578
>Western anime is cartoons
Cartoons here are a much smaller market.
Just like comic books.
We fill our times with other entertainment, women do that with YA shit.
>YA = light novels
Light novels is pure commercialized crap.
Worse than most YA.
Light novel is the lowest of the low, there's very little that's actually worth a damn.
At least YA has some great classics anyone can read
>>8168594
Well, at least you showed your lack of education here.
>>8168601
Yes, light novel is pure literary genius at work.
SAO is better than Gene Wolfe
>>8168606
Nice fallacies, keep embarrassing yourself.
>>8168609
Please tell me what formal fallacy I committed.
Formal, not non-fallacies.
>>8168612
False dilemma.
