Thoughts, /lit/?
Everyone is immortal, it's mortality that is an illusion of consciousness.
>>8154406
That's retarded because Archimedes won't be remembered if language dies. His ideas will have to be rediscovered and the new person will get the credit.
Or does he mean that Aeschylus will be forgotten when the Ancient Greek languages die? Because that's equally retarded.
>>8154406
Mathematical ideas do die tho. Remember when Pythagoreans had a hard on for all numbers being rational? More recently remember the whole Monster Moon Shine thing?
I'm really interested in the roasting this guy received from his contemporaries for saying this.
>>8154421
Mathematical ideas are encoded in reality. Even if humans go extinct, another intelligent species could discover mathematics.
>>8154406
What is translation
>>8154425
Plot twist: so are literary ideas, even if the languages and names are contingent.
>>8154446
Nah, they're culturally dependent
>>8154455
> hey guys like an alien race could easily develop mathematics without culture but not anything else
Even stuff like 0 and negative numbers are culturally dependant.
>>8154425
LMAO
>>8154425
Math is descriptive, not prescriptive, my senpai.
>>8154425
This is meaningless
Once Archimedes isn't valued as important anymore as a mathematician, he will be forgotten by mathematicians outside of those who study the classics and anthropology of math studies. Once Aeschylus isn't consider important anymore by those of his field in contemporary society, he will still be remembered by a minority of those in his field.
If memory ceases when a language dies out, how come we know of Gilgamesh epic? Unless you mean all traces of all kinds of memory -- which would still apply to Archimedes as well.
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
>>8154406
Archimedes' idea will be remembered, and perhaps his name; but who remembers Archimedes the man?
If something survives of Aeschylus, it is not in his name nor in his reputation, but in his words. And though it is not wholly true when we say that Aeschylus is remembered, it means something more than when we say it of Archimedes.
>>8154406
mathematical ideas can be ascribed to multiple people through the course of history or their inventor can be completely forgotten
it's quite possible archimedes wasn't the first who discovered archimedes principle in the human history albeit our knowledge of it stems from archimedes who [re?]discovered it (the more so if we suppose that aliens exist and they discover the world themselves, if so, there were likely multiple alien scientists who discovered it before archimedes)
also it's not an unique feature of mathematical ideas, it's true for any hard science (except philosophy where it's shady), how about, say, the evolutionary theory; btw the achimedes' principle foremost belongs to physics, not to mathematics
objects of art are much more personalized and also they are a true creation unlike the natural principles which existed independently hidden in the world before one "discovered" them
for philosophy it's unclear... there is likely a finite number of possible ideas in it, at least much more finite than the number of possible combinations of letters, shapes and colors which make the objects of art, but i don't think one can claim those ideas existing before they were discovered without falling into a platonic-like philosophy of forms
>>8154409
Depends on your definition of immortal. Will we be forever remember? Yes, in a sense. All events which have gone through the formality of 'happening' are stored in the Akashic records. The possibility is there but do you really believe that in 10^103 years you even care if that pitiful human life you experienced one time is even worth your time looking over fondly again? How far you honestly thing nostalgia extends?
