Dinosaur Squad Edition
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>Fantasy
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>Sci-Fi
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What's the Best Dinosaur Books?
Who is the Best Dinosaur Author?
Old Thread: >>8096947
Jesus fuck these threads are moving too fast.
Only 1-5% good content too, just kek my shit up.
Other thread is shit
>>8104248
It was some massive attack of the plebs
is jonathan strange & mr. norrell worth keeping at? i got about 150 pages in, but it just seemed utterly dry to me.
>>8104395
Keep at it. One of the Best Fictions of the 21st Century.
opinions on the series?
Need a name for a badass female mage character. She's black, if that helps.
Currently warming to Tamera, with Tam as a nickname.
>>8106858
Shaquila, Shaq as her nickname
![Topsy_and_Eve%2C_by_John_R._Neill[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iltzcBy.jpg "Topsy_and_Eve%2C_by_John_R._Neill[1].jpg")
>>8106858
topsy
>>8106858
Laquisha, Laq as her nickname
Memes aside, this should probably be a cultural thing. Thing about who named and what their culture is like and what their language sounds like. Names can be very descriptive of one's heritage.
>>8102868
Raptor Red by Robert T. Bakker.
I've been reading The Flock by James Robert Smith and have been enjoying it so far.
I just borrowed this, what in I in for?
/lit/, I come to you with a humble request. Can you recommend some fantasy novels with depth and meaning, like BotNS? That series really resonated with me, I read it during a rough time in my life and it means a lot to me still. Is there any other fantasy out there that doesn't get bogged down with explaining fucking magic systems/the author's leftover teen angst/trying to be a shocking or "edgy" answer to Tolkien's work? Any genre fiction that's trying to SAY something and not trying to get an HBO series made for it?
Apologies for my English, it's my first language.
>>8106343
Used to be good, but now that the author turned out to be a raging homophobe, it is now shit.
>>8107089
homophobia
>>8107236
No not yet, so far it's just been racism
Ursula Leguin's The Dispossessed
Ann Raynd Atlas Shruggered
Terry Pratchett's Hogfather
Gorodischer Kalpa Imperial
>>8106343
After that, read ONLY "The shadow of Ender" and move on to other book.
I don't care what he said later; Ender's Game is one of the best tales I've ever read (it's not a novel, it has a tale's structure).
If you like him, you may read Wyrms, Master Singer, Alvin Maker, Hart's Hope or the Worthing Saga. As long as you stay away from the Returning saga, it'll be OK. Mostly.
>>8107284
>racism
This meme needs to die.
>>8107363
Why, what's the Returning saga?
>>8107363
you didn't like speaker for the dead? I thought it was quite good but the books after that were all pretty poor
Is this any good? I'm stuck between reading this or the once and future king next. Never read either of them.
>>8102868
>implying "Dinosaur" is a bad thing
>>8107210
>Any genre fiction that's trying to SAY something and not trying to get an HBO series made for it?
What do you want it to say? There's been plenty of works that have done so, pretty much all of them are pre-Tolkien though.
>>8107502
How do you pronounce "Yves"?
>>8107210
A Voyage to Arcturus
>>8107506
Thanks for the pre-Tolkien tip. And i don't really mind what it says as long as the author seemed to really believe it. Tolkien's a good example because (and i know he denied it often, but it's hard not to see it despite that) so many aspects of his work seem to spring from the hardships and significant world events he experienced in his life. His stuff is more sort of "wise" than something that came from some dude's favorite d&d sesh.
>>8107511
Ee-vez
>>8107504
Let your people go!
>>8107494
>A sudden thought came to Jamie. "Aren't you folks Christians?" "We always thought we were," said the white guy ... It was almost a relief to have the white guy talk. It was weird to have a black man do most of the talking when a white man was in the group. Not that Jamie thought it ought to be the other way. He'd just never seen a group of both colors where a black man was the spokesman."
speaking about racism, i have another idea for the name of the black magician for >>8106858
miracle!
or is it a name for a dodgy assassin?~
>>8107008
>Uncle Tom's Cabin has cute grills
Holy shit, why hasn't anyone told me this? Off to read it right now.
>>8107799
Niggers clearly don't have souls.
>>8107502
A person whose taste I value rates it excellent, but I found it "just" pretty good. It's quite short, so I suggest reading it first.
Anyone know any good time traveling books, specifically about traveling to the past or some other primitive setting and using knowledge from modern earth to advance in some way, for some reason I'm really into these sort of settings. So far I've read Conrad Stargard, and another book, whose title I can't even remember. Conrad Stargard seemed a little too wish-fulfillment-y. The other one seemed too focused on American civil war styled battles, which I care little for.
>>8108176
>Conrad Stargard seemed a little too wish-fulfillment-y.
All the guy wrote about is Handsome Polish Engineers getting the girl and being powerful, as he was a engineer of Polish descent who was born in Detroit (though in The Fata Morgana there's a shocking inversion where the main character is a engineer from Detroit, but his best friend is a handsome Polish engineer from Hamtramck).
IIRC the author ended up going to Russia to live in a castle as sort of a reverse mail-order-bride thing after Baen dropped him. (according to the author this was due to a conspiracy of gays and feminists, which seems quite unlikely since Baen still publishes Tom Kratman)
The other series you read was likely 1632 by Eric Flint, which is about a coal mining town from West Virginia that gets sent back to the Holy Roman Empire.
I'd suggest A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court by Mark Twain.
>>8108274
Alright, thanks, I'll check it out, and no it wasn't the 1632 series, that actually sounds more interesting than the one I read, that one was about this vet traveling to a different dimension midwest U.S. where only this religious organization knows the recipe for black gunpowder.
>>8108176
that whole setting is wish-fulfillment-y by design
>>8107504
>Fire and Ice
Get that GRRM shit out of here. TRUE and HONEST dinosaurs only.
>>8107210
Gormenghast
>>8107692
>massive breakdown of society
>ethnic groups distrust and fight each other
>this is acknowledged
OSC's a normal ol' Cruzcuck, boys, nothing to see here. In the first story they talk about how the Baptists that Beslan'd the Mormon group didn't want to mess with the blacks.
>>8108176
Lest Darkness Fall. There was another one where this woman from the late Roman Empire gets transported to the Republic and uses her advanced scientific knowledge on them but I can't remember it.
>>8108176
I read Stravaganza when I was about 10.
>>8106343
Only read Ender's game. Thought it was very well done, I did some time in the military so it fitted very well with my expectations.
I remember reading in the foreword, about how it was recommended militiary leadership reading. I think that's an excellent assessment. The book only used sci-fi as a setting, while telling an immensely more interesting story about young, inexperienced people in high authority, faced with a calculating logic (Ender himself).
The stuff about his brother and sister however seemed a bit shoehorned and unneeded. As well as the supposed happy ending they bought.
Personally I think Ender and his siblings could be a modern metaphor for AI.
>>8108544
Funny you should call them a metaphor, actually.
In the sequels... well, some things happen andEnder goes briefly to a sort of concept space outside of the universe, and immediately, unconsciously, builds copies of Peter and Valentine, except they're not copies of the people as much as they are extrapolations of his own inner Peter and Valentine.
>>8108552
Hmm see this is why I didn't read the sequels. Sometimes I just like things to end without a relapse.
>>8108554
It made sense in context, and a lot of the foundation for it is in the dream sequences and Giant's Drink game in Ender's Game. I thought it all tied together pretty well. None of the sequels were Ender's Game at all, which is always a ballsy move to make, but this time it worked.
Can we start one of these? Post/make one about your favourite SFF. Here's a template.
>>8108582
Here's one I found, don't know if it's accurate.
>>8108582
>>8108582
>>8106343
Just finished first book not long ago. Fucking loved it. the movie was an unrelenting orgasm of green fecal matter. Would like to read the rest
>>8108176
There was one about some chick smokes a joint at Stonehenge and foes back to medieval times. Forget what it's called you can probably find out just from that
>>8108582
>>8108582
Fresh OC
>>8108582
>>8106858
>She's black
Laquesha.
>>8108582
really bringing my /v/ shitness to this thread
>>8108582
>>8108639
The "What I got" pretty much applies to the entire series
>>8108600
>Pacific Rim
I'm sold, I'll begin reading SA immediately.
>>8108667
So it was that good? May have to read it now.
>>8108582
>>8108672
It was more aimed at the fact that about half the book takes place in a casino, but I now realize that I chose a less than ideal picture
>>8108582
>>8108620
>>8108639
Book 4 this September hype
>>8108687
Fucking finally
>>8108679
You should, it was pretty good.
>>8108678
There's these suits of armor, 'Shardplates' they call it that are basically person-sized Jaegers plus giant swords that can cut through anything. The battles are 10/10
The books are a bit hard to get into though. The first book starts with a prologue for the 10-book series, then a prologue for the first book and there's a ton new stuff introduced to the readers throughout the whole book. It is worth it though
Picked this up at the library, is it any good?
>>8108582
>>8108678
Not him but it reminds me more of Aldnoah.zero (but luckily the plot isn't shit) than PR since it's full of Brightlords fighting pettily with their super powered armour whose abilities a normal human can't match, duels in which the winner gets the armour/machine of the loser, looking down on their fellow humans and trying to get them to co-operate in a fight in a somewhat autocratic/backward society crammed full of superficial /fa/shions.
Also two people are close to the king and one ends up betraying the other, leaving them for dead to further their political influence.
I feel like PR really toned down the typical /m/echa politics but that's probably because it was more of an Evangelion clone than a gundam clone.
I'm pretty new to the genre, so I just bought some sci-fi books I saw in the charts.
Pic related. Will I regret it?
>>8108764
>I just bought
Did you mean to say borrow?
>>8108717
Isn't that an YA author?
>>8108770
Nah, they were only a couple euros each, so it seemed like a good deal. I sort of have a thing for old paperbacks.
>>8108764
body snarchers is really good.
I thought the Sirens of Titan was shit, but everyone likes it so you'll have to see.
Solaris is dope, try to read it in as few a sittings as possible.
>>8108582
Went all out on this one because I really liked it. Might do one for Guards! when I finish it.
>>8108795
Actually following on from this, did anyone else think that Siren's of Titan was really, really shit?
The entire book was arse for me. The only cool thing was the Dr. Manhetten-esc main superhero guy. The rest was stupid.
The martians were stupid.
The mind control ships, conveniently allowing the control of other men was less stupid but still.
The Martian invasion of Earth was stupid.
The entire section of the book on Venus, with the manta ray creatures was stupid.The final chapter which suddenly introduces aliens was stupid as well.
Oh my god, the bit where Dr Manhatten is having a conversation with Tony Stark and Tony tells him he fucked his wife, and the reason he got angry despite his deal being he knows the entire future, was that he was putting it off for later.
And the supposed twist at the end, about how the landmarks of Earth like the Great Wall of China were an alien language was some of the dumbest shit I've ever read.
The themes of free will weren't even that prolific. I hardly found myself questioning anything the entire book.
actually >>8108764 don't read it because fuck me it's shit.
Am I missing something? I went into this book ready to enjoy myself and just got angry.
>>8108790
Violence is a very young adult thing, but instead of emotionally stunned vapid females, the target audience are the nerds.
>>8108821
All true, but I didn't think it was worth getting angry about. Vonnegut is such an easy read I didn't feel like too invested reading it.I don't think Vonnegut should be considered sci-fi
>>8108821
Agreed, easily one of the worse Vonnegut books, it's got all the Golden Age SF tropes with less fun.
>>8108832
The difference is why violence is used.
If you had read Malazan you would see that the violence is not there for its own sake.
It is always reflected upon and used as something the characters have to engage with and never there for the enjoyment of the reader (quite the opposite).
Many "YA" books have violence for its own sake. A trend probably influenced by the success of GoT.
Because as it turns out alot of people want to see violence and it is an easy way to create tension.
>>8108821
Yup, utter shit.
I wasn't a fan of how most of the plot is laid out at the very start and the rest of the book just follows it with no deeper meaning or satisfying elaboration.
>>8108858
I would describe Cat's cradle, the only Vonnegut I've read, as Pynchon or Dick for people of lesser intelligence.
>>8108038
Yet we breed your delicious white meat sister and she gets preggers. We both know that you need 2 souls to make a kid.
>>8108793
Enjoy your silverfish infestation
All these dinosaurs conveniently contained in one thread. I can drop a comet sized nuke on all your asses and get fossil fuel for decades.
>>8109021
All this pic really says is that there are some super-plebs lurking these threads to actually try and diss Gormenghast and Canticle for Leibowitz
>>8106858
NayNay
>>8109021
Hey retard, when are you done with Iron Daughter?
>>8108979
Niggers also don't read books so I see right through your attempt at a ruse, Louis.
>>8109040
>a "cuck" on 4chan is someone that gets his wife/gf stolen by a black man
>Louie CK fucked a black woman and the kids still came out white
>still considered a cuck somehow
If anything he should be considered the alpha of alphas, his DNA is so stronk he nullified the blackness.
>>8109021
So we're only allowed to read new SJW approved books huh?
>>8107538
I want to read this so badly, but so far I haven't been able to find a single hard copy of the book.
>>8109046
Not him but there is such a thing as good new SFF, see Three Body Problem.
I still like the classics ofc, but it doesn't hurt to branch out from time to time. Avoid stagnation, you know.
>>8108582
>>8109043
>hurr how do genes work
The kids become the skin color of the male, always.
>>8109061
Mendel would spit in your face, anon.
If anything skin color will always be a middle ground between the parents, unless they are half and half themselves in which case it's 25% full black 25% full white and 50% daywalker.
>>8108582
>>8109061
Mendel would throttle you with the vines of his pea plants.
>just spent £440 buying new editions of books i already own
Worth it i m o t b h.
>>8109034
When I finish Hull Three Zero, which is after I read this Alex Verus book. Haven't started Iron Daughter yet.
>>8109091
Limiteds?
>>8109043
It's his love for black dicks that makes him a cuck. He's also a spic, not white.
>>8109091
I wish I was that loaded, instead I eread everything for free on my trusty ol' Kobo.
>>8109046
>sjw
Pol what are you even doing here? Why are you even reading?
Is it to get books that justify your world view?
Is your mind so weak that any book you read immediately changes your perspective?
Back to other lit with you.
>>8109094
Jesus fuck those look bad. Can you drop them already and be useful for once
>>8109091
I just spent £0.00 downloading these.
>>8109106
Found the progressive cuck/jew.
>>8109091
>>8109100
>be spic
>sire white children
surely, he is a genetic god
>>8109117
should rename the file to "it's all shit"
>>8109118
ebin, simply eric
>>8109091
I've literally owned £440 in my entire life
>>8109106
Why do you extremists think people have to be nazis in order to disagree with you? I don't like being preached to by anyone. Fiction is entertainment so I think I'm entitled to not buy books that figuratively give me the middle finger for not buying into identity politics.
>>8109113
Hull 3 zero was shilled in sffg since last year, it was on my back burner for a long time. So I will read that before Iron Daughter.
Hell, I have black sword and red knight to read before iron Daugher. And my autism doesn't let me drop books, halfway through Alex Verus, it's shit, but I want to see it to the end then drop the series.You never wondered why i never suggested Alex Verus? It's shit that's why. Just helped with my Dresden Files withdrawal addiction for a while, but it has been more harmful as of late.
>>8109139
>books that figuratively give me the middle finger for not buying into identity politics.
name five of those from the last five years.
>>8109128
I see you don't even deny it.
>>8109147
>And my autism doesn't let me drop books
I'm the same way, and I had the bright idea of starting Wheel of Time. Now I can't drop it, lucky me.
>>8109152
there would be no point in doing so, you wouldn't believe anything I say because once you attach your convenient arbitrary label you can just dismiss any opposing opinion and continue living in your bubble. Alt righters and tumblrinas are both a lost cause.
>>8109117
Hello This PC, we meet again.
>>8109147
>You never wondered why i never suggested Alex Verus? It's shit that's why.
Well that doesn't really explain anything at all, considering you recommend a lot of shit.
>>8109129
Check your bank account to see if it is still there.
>>8109158
>Alt righters and tumblrinas are both a lost cause.
Good thing I'm neither then. Fairly certain that you're an SJW though because of how triggered you got by a mere mention.
>>8107232
>Used to be good, but now that the author turned out to be a raging homophobe, it is now shit.
I can't even tell if you're sarcastic or not anymore
>>8109148
I stopped reading new stuff in the genre roughly six years ago so no can do. I will however admit that I never read fantasy, I only have experience with the rise of identity politics in science fiction.
>>8109188
Judging by the last part I'd say sarcasm but there really are people out there that think like that. It's pretty scary.
>>8109189
>I only have experience with the rise of identity politics in science fiction.
Ok then, what books? what authors? Tell me this isn't about scalzi and leckie again, two bad writers don't make up a relevant or significant change in a whole genre.
>>8109139
Then you are a fucking hypocrite (which isn't surprising seeing as where we are), because you are preaching to others when they buy it. You don't like it? Fine, no one is asking you to like everything.
Just stop throwing around sfw when someone reads some you don't like(and probably never read).
I call people dinosaurs but i love Gene Wolfe and Clarke and I read a lot of old shit.
>>8109196
I know there are people that think like that, even debated with a few myself. I was just hoping those plebs didn't find their way to /lit/
>>8109203
OSC can thinks whatever he wants about faggots, but his books are still bad. And I thought they were bad before I knew anything about the guy.
i want fantasy and sci fi but with politics
recommend
>>8109207
All of them, pick whatever.
>>8109207
Orcs!: First Blood
>>8109200
>Then you are a fucking hypocrite
>anon doesn't want to be preached to by his entertainment
>he personally preaches to other people that he doesn't enjoy this
He wants preaching out of his books, he never said he was against all preaching. And even if he was hypocritical, that alone doesn't discredit his point.
>>8109207
Starship Troopers
>>8109165
I think that tells you what I suggestec was bretty gud for what it was worth.
>>8109207
Th Foundation
Metro 2033
>>8109207
Left Hand Of Darkness.
>>8109217
Nobody ever told me not to start, in fact I distinctly recall one anon saying "if you like worldbuilding, go for it".
This series cured me of my love for worldbuilding by overdosing me with it, stuffing it into my mouth when I couldn't take more and then adding some on top of that.
Wannabe writefag anon here:
I'm fully witting of the fact that it will be a long time until I'm even barely capable of writing a good story, but I'm going to ask anyways: How do I write a fantasy story that tackles morality without an expense to storytelling? I'm talking a story that makes you think about whether side A or side B was morally correct in a conflict even after one side lost.
>>8109207
C. J. Cherryh
It's politics all the way down. For fantasy, try the Foreigner series. For SciFi, try Cyteen/Regenesis.
>>8109200
>but i love Gene Wolfe and Clarke
Literally pedophile Hitler. I can't believe the mods allow alt rightwingers like you to shitpost on /lit/ freely.
>>8108176
I enjoyed Island in the Sea of Time.
>>8109235
Take a page from GRRM's book and make your character human, with human motivations, flaws, emotions and the like.
That way nobody will look wholly "evil" or "good".
>>8109235
Fully witting?
>>8109229
>Nobody ever told me not to start
Then you're another anon, someone we told not to read came back crying that he should have listened to us.
>>8109238
I despise alt rightists and SJWs both and I still love Wolfe and Clarke, you're a narrow minded faget thinking your politics should determine what you enjoy.
>>8109235
Make the moral conflict drive the story but do not to let it get in the way of it.
>>8109243English isn't my first language and I just tried cramming that word there to get a fancier alternative for "aware" in hopes of better assimilating the language
>>8109245
>Unironically liking an infamous pedo
>Supporting an American war criminal
I hope you get what's coming to you.
>>8109259
>thinking I'm Klapistani
Go eat a burger.
>>8109258
Being tolerant of the intolerant is just as bad as being intolerant.
>>8109259
I don't a shit if they exterminated a truckload of children and puppies with a flamethrower
The books are still good and they should be judged in and of themselves regardless of what the author did in his personal life
but of course youre just shitposting.
>>8109200
Gene Wolfe and Clarke aren't old authors, my mongoloid friend.
>a bunch of people singing happy birthday to Gene Wolfe while he looks happy as a child
This warms my heart. I'd link the video but the fag algorythm seems to think it's spam.
>>8109317
wut? did cameras even exist back then?
>>8109318
Actually it's from last month when he turned 85, shitposter-kun.
>>8109321
>while he looks happy as a child
>>8109324
He looks happy as a child would be happy in that same situation, holy shit you're either autistic or baiting.
>>8109327
I think you meant to write
>He looks as happy as a child
He's not autistic you're just retarded and don't know how English works
>>8109327
it's "as happy as a child" retarded ESL
learn English before posting
>>8109327
No, you really fucked that up to begin with.
>>8109353
>understanble
And no one said it's required. You're the huge autist sperging out because someone misunderstood your terribly written English, instead of explaining what you meant like a normal human being.
>>8109353
You've got three people now telling you that you're wrong.
So can you guys explain to me why it seems like everyone dislikes The Kingkiller Chronicle? I read both last summer and I thought they were really cool, not the next Lord of the Rings or anything but it seemed to me to be a really solid fantasy series. The only real thing I can see being reason for contempt would be Rothfuss' personality outside of the text, but you sometimes just gotta deal with that shit for some authors. And I'd appreciate an actual explanation, not memes and shitposting.
>>8107210
The Prince of Noting by Bakker is exactly what you're looking for.
>>8109370
No one said it wasnt wrong, but their impotent nerd rage about that is as bad as if they started whining about how I missed the apostrophe in 'wasn't' despite the fact that you still know exactly what I'm trying to say.
Jesus Christ, /lit/ really is nothing but tryhard autists.
>>8109390
You do realize
>Happy as a child
>As happy as a child
Have two different meanings right?
Wasnt and wasn't do not.
>>8109370
And everyone else not involved could give fewer fucks. Can all of you autists try going outside and getting laid?
Opinions on The Book of New Sun? I had it recommenced to me a long time ago when I was feeling a powerful SFF itch, and now that its come back I've gotten interested again.
Also, a friend of mine recommended The Bartimaeus Sequence, and even though it sounded like Teen Literature I thought I'd ask anyway.
>>8109390
:(
That's not fair, I contribute to discussion and try to be reasonable with everyone.
>>8102868
Where's the SF flowchart?
>>8109402
>Opinions on The Book of New Sun?
Very good imho, every SFF fan should read it.
>>8109402
It's decent. If it's your thing you will love it, if it isn't you'll probably drop it.
>>8109397
I meant to say "in the wrong" you fucking autist how could you not manage to interpret what I meant when I said something with a totally different meaning?
>>8109385
Reddit likes it therefore nobody here can like it.
>>8109385
- Abysmally bad prose
- Uninspired plot
- Weak characterization
It's basically just a wish fulfillment story for nerds, and the second book is an even bigger failure than the first.
>>8109427
>What is context
>>8109427
To be fair, my improper use of recommended is because I'm retarded
>>8109318
>Malazan is actually LONGER than the Wheel Of Time
Holy shit.
>>8109318
Actually they did
>>8109447
And people are giving me shit for "sperging out" when all I did was call a shitposter what he is. he's the dinosaur guy.
>>8109441
Wheel has a higher word count it seems, but Malazan has more pages, according to Wikipedia anyway
>Malazan: 3,325,000 words, 8889 pages
>Wheel of Time: 4,410,036 words, 11,916.
These numbers feel really wrong, but thats what they add up to it seems.
>>8109458
You're still sperging out, little autist. Take a walk and calm down.
>>8109402
Wolfe engages his reader in a game-like manner similar to mystery fiction, but unlike mystery fiction, Wolfe's narrative has extremely potent reread value. This is in part owed to Wolfe being deeply allusive, as he references grand classic literature, such as Dante, Milton, and Melville, though he achieves this even more subtly than allusions usually are.
For example, in an introduction scene with a giant, the protagonist makes exchanges with his newfound tall companion that is supposed to evoke a scene from Moby Dick. On a deeper level of reading, it becomes clearer on how this ties in with the white whale. Wolfe also weaves references to modern literature, firing shots at Lovecraftian tropes, and gently parodying Borges. If a reader can catch a fraction of the allusions, they can pat themselves on the back for being urbane readers.
The Bartimaeus Sequence is very sophisticated for children's literature, and need not be labeled as such. Most SFF for youth is sterile and secluded (Ender's Game, Harry Potter), but exotic lands in Stroud's story are treated with nuance and continuity as lands on a shared world, not merely as props.
>>8109402
Bartimaeus is genuinely good. Don't be put off by the YA tag.
>>8109459
Malazan is longer if you factor in the novellas by the other guy. You know, the Garfunkel to Erikson's Simon. Can't remember the name.
>>8109447
Yes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158033/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0349683/
Enjoy.
>>8109459
Wait, aren't you saying here that WoT has 12k pages whereas Malazan has 9K?
>>8109468
Oh yeah, but generally when thinking of series length I prefer to think about series proper, not spinoffs or prequels written after the fact
>>8109469
wow thanks time to educate myself
>>8109427
Can you please not try to drag an innocent bystander down into your feud with your frenemies? Post quality in the /sffg/s are already low enough.
>>8109472
Its what Wikipedia said in this numbers, but again, something feels fishy as hell about it. I think its cause each Malazan book is like 900 or so pages compared to Wheels 700ish, but they both have the same word count. So Wheel having three more books the Malazan makes it win out, though I still think somethings up.
>>8109370
You've got three people now telling you that you're wrong.
Reminder that standalone novels and short stories > long & plodding series
>>8109464
>>8109465
Awesome, guess I have a handful of other books added to my list. And here I thought my plan for the summer was to finally wrestle with The Wheel of Time. And I just started Dune for the first time today.
Man am I in over my head or what.
As I understand it, Malazan is WoT : Edge Edition.
Am I getting this wrong?
>>8109492
>Am I getting this wrong?
Yes
For one, Malazan doesn't grind to a halt in the middle
>>8109492
Malazan is great after the first book. WoT is bad after the first three.
>>8109491
Just read the books dude
>>8109494
>WoT is bad after the first three.
Dunno about that. I'm on book 4 now (The Shadow Rising) and it's still going strong, I have noticed no decrease in quality.
>>8109492
>Am I getting this wrong?
Yes.
It's more like Dragonball Z: Dungeons & Dragons Edition.
>>8109491
>Man am I in over my head or what.
Are you mentally ill?
>>8109508
>It's more like Dragonball Z: Dungeons & Dragons Edition.
top kek
I don't think I'm up for ten thousand pages of this.
>>8109508
What kind of magic and mythology does Malazan have?
Is it shitty Sanderson type, or *I focus my alar* or what?
>>8109491
>And here I thought my plan for the summer was to finally wrestle with The Wheel of Time.
Do not do it
I repeat
DO NOT FUCKING DO IT
You have been warned. Don't make the same mistake I did.
>>8109515
I managed the first 4 books. I dropped the series because there was just too much shite mixed in there with the good. I'd say it's worth reading the first 4 though.
>>8109521
I haven't read Sanderson but the magic system is completely convoluted and involved tapping into other realms or something.
Mythology wise, the pantheon is something to do with tarot cards, and there's like a House of Light and House of Death etc, and each House has a King, Queen etc that can be replaced if they die. It was kind of cool actually.
>>8109483
Malazan: 3.3M words = 8.9K pages
WoT: 4.4M words = 11.9K pages
What's fishy about that?
>>8109491
When you're through with those books, in a few years you'll probably look back and think it was hardly anything. That's how it felt for me.
Enjoy your read-throughs. All I ask is that in the future, you help others that wish to learn. :)
>>8109546
>I haven't read Sanderson but the magic system is completely convoluted and involved tapping into other realms or something.
Sanderson over explains everything about how magic works, I'm glad to read your description of the Malazanian magic.
How do I properly enjoy BotNS? I finished Shadow of the Torturer and am about to start Claw of the Concilliator, but I keep feeling like i'm missing allusions to something as I read it, certain names and conversation feel as if they should be there for a reason.
Which books should I read alongside it? Should I continue reading it if don't quite get the references?
>>8109591
BOTNS warrants at least one reread. possibly more. It rewards you with more and more clarity the more times you reread it.
>>8109591
>do you enjoy reading it
>yes -> continue reading
>no -> don't continue reading
>>8109591
Literally who cares about references, just read the book and enjoy yourself, read it again if you like it
>>8109596
>finishing books just based on enjoyment
This isn't /v/
>>8109616
>reading something you don't like
This isn't /autism/ either.
>>8109616
Is that why you guys force yourselves through these 14 book monstrosities that the author themselves got bored of?
>>8109609
Fuck ignore the name. I was being a meme retard in a different thread
>>8109645
With the best novels you know theyre good from the very first page desu
>>8109591
No need to fret about catching the allusions. Wolfe's writing is enjoyable at both surface and deep levels. I opted to plow through its allusions only until after I was finished with the 4th book.
Wolfe believes that characterization drives novels, but he had a peculiar method for applying this. Had he populated BotNS with more likeable and compelling characters, instead of stopping at well-developed but intemperate ones, BotNS would be much closer in memorability as LotR, Foundation, and Star Wars are today.
But if you really must look into his influences, try,
From established authors:
Dante, Goethe, Melville, Milton, Dostoyevsky, Dickens, Flaubert, Twain
From modern era authors:
Proust, Borges, Chesterton, Lovecraft, Joyce, Kafka
From speculative fiction authors:
Budrys, Jack Vance, LeGuin, Joanna Russ
>>8109645
Who the fuck said anything about "instant gratification" autismo? There's still no reason to read something you don't like, especially after having already read a decent chunk of it.
>>8109651
I don't think that is true. If that were the case it would be only a matter of pure style.
Dostoevsky for example takes at least half a novel to get to parts you read him for.
>>8109661
I don't like Kundera or Nietzsche or DeLillo and all of those authors are worth reading.
>>8109679
To some people, and not to others.
Do you have to think when you're reading Malazan or can you just go through it?
>>8109656
>Wolfe believes that characterization drives novels
I sperged out and meant to transition this by pointing out that the story's base elements drive the story well enough, without the allusions. Yet it's not even characterization or layers of meaning that earns Wolfe's his dues. I would say that it's Wolfe's superlative execution at gradually unveiling the riddles of the New Sun's story, that is the major attestation of his skill as a storyteller.
>>8109724
think, the author deliberately uses very little expostion
>>8109656
Thank you for the recommendations. I'm trying to become more well read in general so it's doubly fortunate
>>8109741
I'm always happy to help motivated readers. :)
I think the core wolfefags (I like them, but I'm not part of their clique) mean well enough, but I fear that they're unintentionally reducing him into the frivolous sort of meme on 4chan, by not sufficiently describing his distinctions.
>>8109490
And its even better if you get both :^)
>>8109492
>Am I getting this wrong?
There is literally no edge in Malazan.
Also its not a complete mess like Wot and has actually interesting characters.
>>8109736
I don't enjoy thinking, I'm bad at it
>>8109813
git gud faggot
>>8109117
where did you find those?
>>8109813
Don't worry, there is some kind of site I forgot about which summarizes / analyzes each chapter
>>8109874
Mainly on IP Torrents and a few from google.
world of time eh?
>break my Kobo Aura like an idiot
>try to buy a new Aura because it's a nice device and looks pretty good too
>no built up gunk because the screen is flush with the edges of the device, fullscreen book cover screen saver
>the Aura is discontinued and not a single web shops has it still in stock
>Kobo has no proper alternative
I'm so mad.
And thanks for reading my blog.
Fellow Dinosaurs - check out this list of top 100 'Radium Age Sci-Fi':
http://hilobrow.com/radium-age-100/
Break out the black and white photos of Model-T automobiles. It's throwback time.
