Why read books full of ideas, when you can just sit down and think for hours?
>>8102668
because you're dumb and your ideas are shit
Reflection always uses a mirror.
>>8102675
I was asking you.
>>8102679
>implying I read books
>>8102668
because someone thought a lot better about the stuff you can think without reading anything
>>8102692
So basically reading novels is an act of taunting yourself, in a prolonged fashion, of the realization that there are people smarter and more consciously malleable than yourself?
Are all readers masochists?
>>8102668
I've always wondered if I've ever had a completely original and not nonsensical thought.
In the words of Courtney Barnett, sometimes I sit and think, and sometimes I just sit
and in the words of weatherbox, 'you can't make art in a vacuum state or become something great alone'
Because there is no way you will invent Calculus or Polyadic First Order Logic just by "thinking for hours". Human technological, scientific, and philosophical progress is fundamentally not a one-man job, but a job of many that build on others' work.
>>8102856
I actually reached the knowledge of Calculus independently, nobody believes me though. I'm quite gifted.
>>8102864
i'd believe you conceptualized calculus independently but not that you derived it with rigor
>>8102864
>knowledge of Calculus
In your own words, what do you think that involves?
>>8103011
Calculus. Math.
>>8102668
"Thinking" involves synthesizing the shit in your head. If the shit in your head is video games, anime, and high-school you have nothing to work with. After obtaining a solid knowledge base, then yes, go for it. Few do.
>>8103152
Goddamnit, I hate being a machine even if I'm good at it.
>>8103059
Prove that the integral over [0,1]X[0,1] of |f(x)+f(y)|dxdy is greater than or equal to that over [0,1] of |f(x)|dx for all continuous real-valued functions f
I must be a good person, because I do just sit and think for hours but I feel obligated to share my wonderful thoughts with the world.
>>8103207
Nah, I'm not gonna do it
cause maybe there was somebody who thinked it better than you?
idiot
>>8103223
Implying there is one pyramid of thought and we are all trying to get to the top of one pyramid.
That's limited thinking right there.
>>8103218
I don't think you can desu
I think your idea of "calculus" is "lolz nx^(n-1) m80s"
Because for the good reader, a book it like a conversation. Which usually heta us farther than just reflection.
>>8103253
You can believe whatever you want famalam
>>8102675
fpbp
>>8103278
why should he believe or disbelieve anything when you yourself are there and you can prove your claims
>>8102711
Only if you're an insecure child who can't stand the thought of knowing someone before you wasn't an insecure child.
>>8103296
Good question.
>>8103322
>valuing your intelligence is being an insecure child
t. IQlet
>>8103387
No, being insecure about your intelligence is being an insecure child.
>>8102864
Sure thing, Leibniz.
>>8103469
being too secure about your intelligence, however, is the best sign that you don't have too much of it. (as is the advocating to not err on the side of caution with this matter.)
>>8102668
If you really want to progress, you have to stand on the shoulders of giants.
All I think of when I'm by myself is 'I am so sad and lonely and I want to die a painless death'. So I read books to adopt other thoughtstreams
>>8103469
t. IQlet
>>8102668
you read books, which present ideas, and then you sit and contemplate them. those ideas serve both, in this immediate context, as a starting point, but also as a midpoint confluence of other "original" ideas you yourself have whilst going about your daily business.
as with every other /lit/ post, this is bad bait and only serves to troll. both those with the critical thinking skills and experience to know how shit your bait is themselves partake in trolling those who genuinely subscribe to your egocentricity. only via a radical transparency (sincerity) will anyone ever hope to break through the milieu in any meaningful way.
>>8103477
>>8103529
Over/underestimation is orthogonal to how faithfully you represent your abilities.
Fake self-discovered calculus guy is an example of insecurity breeding a superficial/imitative intellectual style.
Of course you don't want to overestimate your abilities, but being so thoroughly aware of them as to be justifiably confident as appropriate is a good thing, and is equivalent to building self-awareness
>>8103529
And the word is "brainlet."
>>8103584
>"fake"
>being this jealous
>>8103480
But their backs hab no latters.
>>8103218
i keked at this. guess its time for bed
>>8102668
Isn't it what you're doing when reading ?
>>8103207
thats false, i was gonna prove it for fun, but i realized its simply not true
the case f(x)=-x is the counterexample, it would only be true in the cases where f(x) is positive on [0,1], which makes the proof trivial...
>>8102668
I find insecurity in inactivity.
I actually think best while reading, guided by the stimulus of critiquing someone else's position. That is how this works, right?
>>8102676
Mirrors also don't operate in the same fashion as humans. Our thoughts aren't consistently one idea.
>>8102848
I always felt like the lyricism of that band was unimpressive incoherent acid rambling but their instrumentation is tight. I dated a girl that was in close with Brian and confirmed my first assumption. He's still a cool dude though. .
>>8102668
>not reading blank books
>not having a library of paper
step up
So you can have new ideas. Not much point in thinking if someone's already thought the same things. Get your thinking cap on anon. Stop thinking in the past.
>>8103864
>mfw
>>8103864
Hahahaha FUCK, steppe it up m8
Maybe you should start reading after all
>>8103238
This is the metaphor
everybody is working on enormous pillars which are being made into buildings
you can build your own shitty buildings out of mud or you can study archetecture and watch what other people are doing and work on their buildings. And if you work hard enough one day you can start your own building that is unique with all the expertise you learned from helping other people build something.
And these things we are building is our vast knowledge base on things like physics, math, art, human psychology, etc.
>>8102711
>Are all readers masochists?
Yes and they evade reality / their own lives
>>8105348
le false equivalence
>>8105375
can you make an actual argument rather than just a one-liner
Because you have to expose yourself to external ideas to test your own
>>8103238
are you saying we have not progressed in thought at all in the history of humanity?
>>8102675
/thread
ideas are seeds you sow on your mind. you need both reading and thinking time.
>>8102856
Standing on the shoulders of giants.
>>8105395
That's an abstraction.
We have progressed in the physical realm.
>>8105367
Feels bad still? Oh well, you tried
>>8105348
>study others, then make something based on theirs
>unique
You're describing standard education, which of course exists. But it does not work out in reality for everyone to follow "one way."
There has to be a joker in the stack. There just always is.
To pretend there is a perfect system is to operate on a false assumption.
There is no encompassing knowledge of all life. There is always some new vantage point, a new perspective to be gained.
And everybody does not have to get along for society to work.
Destroy your assumptions of utopia, now.
>>8105465
Defenestrate the poststructuralists, epistemology war now!
>>8103864
All proofs are trivial to me. That's why I don't waste my time on them.
i think marcel proust :D
>>8103207
Fubini
>>8102676
I like this. Good post, genuinely.
corollary question
is there a reason to write down your thoughts outside of pursuit of recognition? there are people making youtube videos and blog posts and books all day long and most of them are shit and are already forgotten. is there actually a point in me recording and releasing my thoughts aside from hoping that some stranger will understand my 'genius'?
sometimes i write my thoughts out in a word file and delete it, without saving. it just seems ultimately pointless to me because i know my own thoughts and nobody else cares.
I dislike my thoughts
>>8102668
I do both.
