Opinions of those who've finished it?
I just finished the second essay, and I'm quite impressed with it.
>>7886480
*tibs phaedra*
>>7886667
It's quite shit, even by Austrian school standards.
>>7886688
Why do you think?
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/journey-into-a-libertarian-future-part-i-%E2%80%93the-vision.html
>>7886754
I've only read the first two essays, and it seems like whoever is quoting the book is leaving some key factors out (such as nobilitas naturalis).
>>7886723
>praxeology
>claims to be libertarian but defends monarchy over the system that has brought us at least 70 percent less taxation
>as conservative as it gets but not even in a meme-ish Evolaeasque way
>shit writing style
>>7886821
>>claims to be libertarian but defends monarchy over the system that has brought us at least 70 percent less taxation
What's your evidence against his that taxation takes up less of a percentage of the GDP today than it did under kings?
>>7886819
well why don't you correct the record, no better place than here
>>7886835
It's hard to tell, but Feudalism is far from a capitalist utopia. think church tithes, feudal tributes,large percentage of the population working under systems of coerced labor, less of a dependency on paper currency, altogether a very different environment from the modern state. My main problem with ancaps is how they try to isolate and abstract economics away from the world of physical force. Much of modern capitalism depends on a state structure to enforce contracts. The strongest most basic social arrangements are based on power imbalances and protection rather than on mutually agreed exchange.
>>7886754
This is absurd. How can anyone believe this shit?
>>7886754
>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com
>>7887127
Dayyum statists BTFO
>>7887127
Naked Capitalism isn't a Marxist site - Yves Smith worked for a dang investment bank. It's lightly Keynesian/Post-Keynesian in orientation, if anything.
Not that anyone on the right has ever been terrible good at distinguishing between different strands of left economic thought.
>>7887054
Actually, the taxes were much, much lower in times of peace than today in many countries. Usually around 30% in total.
t. Hilaire Belloc, The Servile State
>>7887127
>ifunny
Great read, one of my favorites. It is what finally drove me over the edge to ancap.
>>7886688
>The philosophical successor to the Rothbardian legacy is 'quite shit, even by Austrian school standards'. You have no idea how influential 'D:TGTF' is amongst many Paleolibertarian, Rothbardian and plain-old libertarian circles. It's essentially a paradigm shift in libertarian thought. This tome brought libertarianism to its logical conclusion: Natural elites, monarchism and feudalism.
>>7887153
Again that's ignoring the massive amount of coerced labor, absence of political rights and the fact that the right to property was not sacred but subject to force. For Anarcocapitalism to work everyone must agree to follow the same arbitrary absolutist moral system. I don't think people are going to be ok with that, specially when the system condemns them to starvation or de facto slavery.
>>7886821
>The study of human action
>Monarchy is private ownership of government. This is a solution to the problem of 'public ownership' of government.
>Conservatism is incorrect/wrong?
>I secede this one. The writing itself is very academic and the footnotes drag. However, the work itself is mesmerizing. It de facto became an essential reading for any newbie libertarian/anarchist.
>>7887191
>For Anarcocapitalism to work everyone must agree to follow the same arbitrary absolutist moral system.
Sounds like any society; there is always a certain level of imposition and uniformity in a society.
>>7886688
>>7887190
>>7887201
the Rothbardian/Misean libertarians are completely fucking nuts, just untethered from reality. Some people with libertarian views are fairly intelligent and respectable (Milton Friedman, Irving Fisher, Scott Sumner, etc.) but the "praxaeology" people are completely off the deep end.
Not surprised that /pol/ incubates the nutso kind.
>>7886884
To start, the entire conversation seems to leave out any possibility of social responsibility to the poor, and is arguing from the assumption that everyone will have to make it on their own without there being any sort of charity or non-business merit.
>>7887188
So far it seems like the most coherent argument I've heard for how a stateless society would function.
>>7887236
The Modern state is for the most part based on impersonal legal codes backed by force. Ancap utopia would require for each individual to adhere to a-cap morality even when it goes against their logical self-interest. It's not even about the proles rebelling, the randian God-kings you seem so eager to get cucked by won't take long to realize they can accumulate more power and capital by disregarding the NAP and all those other invisible morality particles.
>>7887274
>backed by force
All law is?
>won't take long to realize they can accumulate more power and capital by disregarding the NAP and all those other invisible morality particles
That's how the state was created in the first place; it's up to society if they trust one family or man with the monopolization of law and order.
>>7886754
Turns out libertarian utopia ends up looking pretty much like a totalitarian world government
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/journey-into-a-libertarian-future-part-iii-–-regulation.html
>>7887150
strong support for purely deficit-financed money creation and a universal job guarantee is a lot more than "lightly keynesian," but no, NC and the general MMT/post-keynesian sphere isn't marxist and is generally supportive of a market economy.
>>7887148
>statists
The end goal of all variants of Marxism is communism, which is stateless...
>>7887958
Yeah sure. By "lightly" I just meant that it publishes a fairly large swath of lefty perspectives. But it probably centers on a hard Keynesian/post-Keynesian/MMT perspective, yeah.
>>7887792
Hayek>Hoppe
Mises>Rothbard
>>7887967
Who will enforce the ban on private ownership of the means of production?
>>7886480
nah
>>7889100
Who will enforce yr arbitrary absolutist ethics?
>>7887304
>trust one family or man with the monopolization of law and order
There are lots of problems with that kind of arrangement, monarchy does not ussually emerge from muh market but from tribal systems of patronage and protection. Royal families are not usually superior beings, in fact a cursory glance at European history shows the opposite is often true, centuries of inbreeding result in monarchs suffering from a host of physical and mental abnormalities, the nobility becomes increasingly detached from their people and reality itself and the running of the empire increasingly falls into the hands of bureaucrats and advisors.
Well of course democracy failed, it's the same type of naive utopian system as communism and socialism. It' ignores the fact that people are idiots.
Monarchies work best in my opinion, it's just that the hereditry of the position was their downfall, you tweak that and you're golden.
>>7889861
wtf are you talking about
the only absolutist monarchy left is north korea and it shows why that form of system doesn't work well
>>7889929
I think usually when people here say they like monarchies, they're not talking about absolutist monarchies.
>>7889929
Wow, way to pin the problems of north korea on the fact that it's a monarchy instead on its extreme isolationist policy and agressive behavior caused by historical and political events.
you also cherry picked a monarchy among dozens of functional ones thoughout history
>>7889861
'Democracy' in the American sense is actually a pretty efficient way of balancing the interests of multiple power cliques and ensuring peaceful transitions. Maybe the Chinese one party system does a good job as well but I'm not an expert on that.
>>7889929
We need a utilitarian supercomputer.
>>7889929
The Gulf petro-states also approach the absolutist ideal, but they are actually quite shit.
>>7889938
>Wow, way to pin the problems of north korea on the fact that it's a monarchy instead on its extreme isolationist policy and agressive behavior caused by historical and political events.
There might be a connect between the two, absolutism will lead to that
>>7889934
I think that's exactly what fedora sperglords are aiming for, otherwise you just degenerate into contemporary Britain
