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I'll start:
How do you guys come up with plot ideas? I can think of certain motifs, scenes, characters, etc. for novels but motives, rising action, and just the main story really gets me. I mean what sets the entire thing into action. Really, just the conflict, to be honest family.
>>7878813
I think of two very unlikely people to meet and then force them into something really hot.
Speaking of.
Last thread I was discussing with an anon what kind of conflict I could bring into a novel about a devout young man who submits to a BDSM Dom and thus has his world view and beliefs tested.
Keeping that open.
>>7878821
Not everyone writes erotica, anon
>>7878853
Sex is simply the climax of two people becoming entwined beyond all expectation.
Conflict getting too heavy? Just fuck it out.
What does /lit/ think about homestuck? Not a fan,senpai,just inquiring. Also,is it ok to read Plato/Aristotle/Heraclitus with only having passing knowledge of greek history,and skimmings of the illiad?
Philosophy people. I have a question. In this Monty Python sketch is there a deeper meaning to the line "Marx is claiming it was offside"? Or is it just the juxtaposition of two long, complicated sentences relating to philosophy and then one to do with football?
https://youtu.be/B6nI1v7mwwA
Do any of the Christians here wear religious necklaces? I'm looking for one that's meaningful without being flashy.
>>7879054
I wear a simple chain cross on my neck. Of course I'm a girl so it's expected for that to happen.
>>7879144
Yeah, I'm a guy. I have a chain that I ordered, but I feel like it's too flamboyant and flashy. I'm thinking maybe a piece of yarn looped with a cross under my shirt could do the trick.
/lit/ I need to know the best English translations for the following stuff:
1. Letters from a stoic -Seneca
2. Le fleurs du mal - Baudelaire
4. Book of disquiet - Fernando pessoa
>>7879247
To trade it with your friend after a deeply emotional religious shared experience, like rogoshin and myshkin.
How is this?
>>7879247
so us atheists know to avoid talking to them am i right:^)___
>>7879247
I'm very forgetful.
either draw from personal experience or recreate a fantasy/daydream
>>7879546yes you can
>>7878813
Lajos Egri's books will upgrade your shit, check them out
>>7878897
The latter
I'm writing a sentence that says this: "A subsequent investigation by police turned up the [object], . . . ."
A friend gave the following commentary: "Generally when I see 'turned up,' the subject is whatever was found. I would say, find a different expression than 'turned up.' "
Thoughts?
>>7879546
>implying my comment wasn't completely sincere
>>7879957
revealed (that) [the object]?
Should I save this book on the 'Hegel' or on the 'Aristotle' folder?
>>7878813
Bump
I want to write a Fantasy about a gay necromancer.
Any tips? What do you generally look for in fantasy novels? What are your favorite things to find?
>>7881355
>What do you generally look for in fantasy novels?
gay necromancers for sure
>>7878813
When I'm halfway to falling asleep,my mind goes into a spree of story creation.
I stole my ideas from there.
>>7879855
Cheers, mate.
>>7881358
sigh
>>7879054
I have a golden necklace that I got for baptism. It's a simple golden chain with a cross and a tablet with my initials.
Pic related.
>>7879546
It makes you feel bad for masturbation and porn.
Personally I start with a basic plot, a few characters, and a setting, then it expands as I'm writing.
>>7879340
My dad likes it, I've never read it or seen the interview with Bill Moyers that it's a companion to. HWATF was pretty good though.
>>7879247
pride and devotion
Is it sick if I want to write a book from the point of view of a seven year old boy who's in love with his older sister's fiance?
Like a reverse lolita.
Probably work better as a short story, might not even end in sex.
Can somebody explain this to me.
When you use the forward-slash (/) symbol in this context:
>I need to remember to purchase rice, chicken, apples/oranges.
The (/) symbol denotes 'one of the two', not 'both of these two fruits', right?
If that's true, please tell me. Also, does (//) mean 'both'?
I'm interested in symbols that denote 'less than or equal to', 'both', etc.
How can I use them in standard text?
What is /lit/s opinion on Jules Verne? Is he just a fiction writer that predicted some things right by luck or did he have deeper insights?
Perverted linguistics question. I'm searching for the right word.
The allure of a woman is so fascinating. The 'physics' of how the vagina responds to when pressed, prodded, pushed, pulled, squeezed. Replace that word 'physics' with a more appropriate word. I'm referring to the quality of the vagina. You can replace it with any body part for that matter. But what is the best word to use in place of 'physics' that refers to composition and movement, how it moves, etc.
To put it another way. Cow's udders sway when the cow moves. They are spongy in composition. The whole quality of that body part. It's consistency relative to the rest of the body. The shape, texture, composition, feel, etc. What is that. What is the right word that refers to that.
>>7882132
>mushing girlfriend's boobs around and watching them jiggle back into place
>tangibly frustrated by lack of adjective to describe their motion
>>7882132
frame, form, motion, movement, fashion, appearance....i'm not sure. perhaps you'll have to change the structure around a bit
>>7882154
Huh.
So the question is, do I write it. The shota thing.
>>7882137
Language fails me.
>>7882192
not that guy, but it sounds like an interesting take honestly. go for it. as long as it's written well and tastefully, it's fine.
>>7882203
Ouuuukay.
I'm enjoying this too much.
It's actually kind of a challenge, having to use simplified language like this without making him sound retarded.
>>7882237
desu i love this and the style is great. will you publish it anywhere when youre done?
>>7882240
I don't know if I CAN.
That's a good question.
... So... should they fuck or should it be ambiguous sexual tension the whole way down?
>>7882244
there should be some kind of sexual contact which starts off with the man stopping at various intervals and leaving filled with guilt and self loathing until he finally gives in to his lust
>>7882253
Fuuuuuuuck.
I'm going to hate myself for writing this.
And getting hard over it.
>mfw i wish i was the little boy
>>7882264
same
>>7882279
jamie
Are there any good books that help with reading more critically? That help to pick up on whats going on between the lines and technicality? Or is this just a skill that comes from reading enough
>>7882284
Lol is that your name anon
>>7882315
>>7882323
Fantastic, that's more than I expected. I appreciate it.
>>7882333
no worries
>>7882323
Would you say they're in a particular order/if one is better to start with than others? I'm rusty, but somewhat formally educated up to a jr. college level (so basically highschool+) if that helps. But I'm not afraid of a challenge either, if some are overall much more comprehensive.
>>7879957
Your friend is right. I would recommend:
A subsequent investigation by police discovered....
Or
After a police investigation, [object] turned up
>>7882284
It is done.
Changed the spelling though.
I'm still not sure about this /lit/
>>7882361
i am hard.
When is it acceptable to kill oneself?
>>7881445
Nice. I like it.
>>7882544
I only started wearing it recently. I'd like to say it helps with nofap, but it doesn't. Just in a few occasions.
>>7882530
Does anyone besides this guy think I should keep writing this...?
I'm sort of conflicted.
where can i find an ebook if it does not appear on bookzz, #bookz, #ebooks, libgen and google (scribd, etc.)
it's pavese's the moon and the bonfires. my local library's inter-library loan is restructuring and not available.
thanks in advance for any help
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What does this say?
Why is reading so boring?
>>7883296
Because you haven't found something that sucks you in yet. It's out there, anon.You'll find a story you can't put down.
Or an audiobook.
>>7879855
anyway, that's the funnier of the two options
>>7881358
Worldbuilding. I'm a sucker for that.
do I pull the trigger /lit/
keep in mind I'm a mega newfig
>>7883951
No you fucking poser
>>7883296
It's not for everyone. What form of art/entertainment do you prefer to consume?
>>7883957
i mean the trigger to kill myself anon
>>7883951
I'd definitely get Siddhartha and the Chekhov stories, but before legit starting with the Greeks you might want to make sure it's something that will actually interest you. It's all in the public domain now anyway so you can go to http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/index.html and check it out free before you commit to buying it.
Joyce and Pynchon you may or may not like, for the former it's generally recommended to start with Portrait of the Artist.
Good luck bud.
>>7883951
if you haven't read any of those, sure.
they're all necessary reads, i guess.
i doubt you'll understand it all, but you'll probably have fun.
>>7883951
Yes, start with the Iliad and don't read the Republic without the previous Platonic Dialogues.
>>7882106
'/' means 'or' but still with the usual ambiguity of 'or' as to whether it's exclusive or inclusive. use the symbol for exclusive or, or 'xor', which means 'one or the other, but not both.' some symbols for it that could reproduced in simple textual contexts are '^', '><', or even just '+' if you're feeling daring. for the other one, you could use '<->'. or just '&'.
>>7883115
muh dik
>>7884111
I don't know what that means. For the story, I mean.
>>7883115
this is actually really engaging lol. upload it to pastebin if you ever finish
>>7884202
Well, I binned what I've got so far for a critique thread...
Should I keep going? And how sexual should this be? We talking suggestive sexual tension, or are we going clothes-off hands-on, or are we going penetrative? How far is too far?
http://pastebin.com/EDT5UpRs
>>7884214
yeah, i think you should keep going. i dont know about penetrative, thats up to you, but clothes off hands on would be best.
Any one have a detailed Greek God cheat sheet that includes latin names?
I have a basic one but a more complete one would be appreciated.
take a story you really like, and start changing things and mixing in other stories. nothing is original
Know any resources for researching gang life in 80s-90s? The best way I can describe the story I want to write is a ragtag gang facing off with other gangs (maybe like The Warriors, but a bit more realistic in how it handles things, and also go over actually dark topics in gang life)
>>7884220
Yeah... I don't even know if Jaime could handle that. Maybe tongue or fingers.
Fuck I called him by name didn't I. D-don't get attached, /lit/.
>>7884267
have him get rimmed though
>>7884230
Big fat fucking bump
how do you really get published?
>>7884455
You find an agent who represents the sort of thing you want published, send out a query letter to said agent, and if you're lucky and you've got something that an agent sees value in, said agent will then represent your work and reach out to publishers for you.
If you get picked up, the publisher will set up a contract with you, and the agent will get a cut of that, and possibly any royalties you get. But without an agent, you're fucked. The best a publisher will do is send you a kind letter saying no thank you. Worst case, they'll laugh at you for even trying.
>>7884476
alright. thanks a ton
>>7884455
Have good dick-sucking lips and know the right people in the field.
>>7884501
>sucking dicks to get published
man what a beautiful world that would be
>>7883957
Are you the guy that said he was going to use poser 10 times this week
>>7884512
That's this world, anon. But it only works if you're charming and attractive and know the right people.
Currently doing SL5x5. I'm planning on sticking with it for 6-8 months then going on a cut. Should I keep doing SL during the cut or switch to something else?
anyone ever do nanowrimo? what were the results?
>>7884362
Progress Report?
What is the most lewd book you've ever read? Be honest, we're all anonymous here.
>>7879260
>1
>2
>4
>>7879546
Same reason why Muslims wear beards and Jews sideburns. Identification.
Does anyone else wear bandanas when writing?
Trying to channel dfw here
>>7878813
Is mason and dixon a good starting off point for pynchon? I want to start with something really good, but don't want to jump straight into Gravity's Rainbow.
>>7884606
The Confessions of Victor X.
It was like anime in real life.
>>7884558
Finished what looks like part 1 last night.
http://pastebin.com/BgHvVXaH
>>7884713
No, I drink whisky and simulate fellatio on a shotgun after I finish each chapter.
>>7884713
I wear one like a girls' headband if my hair gets too long. Like a Korean dude. Being part Korean, I can kinda get away with it.
But no article of clothing is going to make you write better, especially not like someone else.
>>7885177
this is cute as hell
>>7884606
The Savage detectives, albeit I never read that many lewd books.
Any news on G RR Martin on the writing?
>>7884099
Thanks. I appreciate the answer.
>>7885529
check his blog
>>7885539
I checked. Looks like there's nothing of importance going on.
>>7885542
This surprises you?
>>7885542
>>7885545
In of Hegel's History of Philosophy, that is this fragment:
'Marcus Aurelius is an example of what a philosopher upon a throne could effect; we have, however. only private actions to record of him, and the Roman Empire was made no better by him. Frederick H. was, on the other hand , justly called the philosopher king.'
Who is 'Frederick H.' that he mentions?
>>7885575
frederick the great maybe?
>>7885580
Yes, upon a quick at his Wikipedia it seems so. Thanks.
>>7885585
anytime
>>7885575
Frederick the Great, Frederick II of Hohenzollern, King of Prussia
Prussia was the state Hegel (is said to have) felt was the culmination of human rational institutions and Spirit in history, and Frederick the Great was its major founder in its contemporary form. It created the university system Hegel was teaching in, in its capital at Berlin, where Hegel was appointed and decorated by Frederick's successors.
Hegel really really liked Prussia.
>>7880151
hegel
Not sure if /lit/ has read Michel Houellebecq, but two of his books, Whatever and Atomised, hit me really hard. I really enjoyed how the plots took place in contemporary society, how he incorperated pessimistic philosophy with critique of modern culture.
What other books are like this, or authors who are similar to him?
I feel that "timeless classics" aren't really timeless at all, i.e. Notes from the Underground and other Dostoyveskian work.
How do I get gf?
Assuming im moderately fit, wear properly fitting clothes and have good hygiene
>>7885750
talk to girls. even online if you want
How do I get a /lit/ bf? I'm a girl, probably 6/10 but usually told I'm 7/10.
I mean a real one. Well-read, reads multiple languages, has major ideas or manuscripts he's working on. Not some faggo who reads Pynchon and DeLillo and a few random "classics" like Dostoevsky and thinks he's a hip literature enthusiast.
Looks don't matter. I just want his brain.
>>7878813
You're doing it wrong. Everything has to serve the premise. If you force the plot to go a certain way for your own satisfaction then you're not letting the story breathe.
If the conflict is family, then start there. Think about the people, who is in conflict and why are they in conflict. Follow that up with most likely place they'd be located in to cause those circumstances, etc.
>>7885799
College?
>>7885799
>Well-read, reads multiple languages, has major ideas or manuscripts he's working on
can you boast the same?
such a guy would probably be in his middle ages and married.
there are a lot of men who have a very genuine passion for literature.
>>7885799
Tell me where your from bby
Can anyone explain the meter in this line:
The wetter the better or whatever
I have zero knowledge on prose/meter etc but i feel like something is there. Is there a 3/3/4 scheme that is commonly used?
>>7879401
right.
>>7886157
Dactylic trimeter
(Whatever is pronounced with 2 syllables here)
- ' ' - ' ' - ' '
The wetter, the better, or whatever
>>7886457
Isn't it
>The WET-ter / the BET-ter / or (slightest pause) what-EV-er.
That's how I scan it.
Meter is an approximation of natural rhythm anyway. No good poetry is in rigid meter or mathematically formulated to be metrical.
>>7886490
Yeah it could be that too
>>7886974
Never mind. I realized the error as soon as I posted, go figure. Deleting post ASAP.
>>7878813
which translation of dante's inferno is best and is penguin edition acceptable?
thanks
>>7885799
I have a gf like that
>>7886490
>No good poetry is in rigid meter or mathematically formulated to be metrical.
Alexander Pope giggles at your waifish notions.
What are some good plays/books that are like Waiting for Godot or rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead?
>>7887203
Endgame, by Beckett. Better than Godot imho family member.
How do you discipline yourself to write? I'm so terribly lazy
>>7887427
I'd tell you but it'd take to long to type up
>write a decent short novel
>can barely stop myself from writing a shitty sequel or series that plays off my own OTPs and tumblr-esque fanfiction fantasies
what do?
>>7887427
I read shitty books and torture myself with them so that I become really angry at it and determined to write something better.
Got anything you've written to inspire me?
>>7887439
don't cut yourself on all that edge friendo
>>7887441
I was being serious on the first part though. No joke, I've gone through all of Twilight and two of the Fifty Shades books. I don't know why it helps me write, I really hate that it does.
Hey thread, >>7885177
back again with the start to part 2.
I don't know where to go from here. Are we going lewd now?
http://pastebin.com/LDcRGNDS
>>7887006
I also have this question.
Is it *too* edgy to have an otherwise quiet and sympathetic young male character develop a guro fetish after brutally slaying a female angel-type monster that he'd previously fallen in lust with?
>>7887538
No, it's edgy to start writing your Gaia Online roleplays as an actual book.
>>7887542
>Gaia Online
I don't know what that is
>>7887570
It's exactly where you'd find a story like yours except half of it would be carried out over private messages because sex.
Least last time I checked.
Which was like 2004.
Which makes your idea dumb AND outdated.
This isn't a question. But I wanted to say that I began reading 1984 today completely unaware of what date the book 'begins' on, and I thought it was pretty neat-o.
>>7887584
so what you're saying is, it's too edgy?
>>7887632
The WHOLE THING is too edgy.
>>7887643
but why? I mean, people have fetishes from weird things, so why not?
>>7878813
nah
>>7887671
Well first of all, if you're not asking for advice for a work of literature then there's no point in asking at all.
Since you won't let it go, I'll TRY to give you advice on why I cannot condone any part of your premise.
You claim the character is "quiet and sympathetic". Why does he randomly "brutally slay" this angel-type thing, and why did he "fall in lust" with her? No part of that is quiet or sympathetic. Like, at all.
Second, angels and demons are so cliche and are never, ever done in a way that doesn't make most readers cringe. I beg you to find a novel or some literary work where there was a demon or angel who didn't just gush edge, especially in a sexualized sense.
Now I want you to think hard about the entire scenario.
"I saw this angel-type thing and I really, really wanted to fuck it. I killed it. Woops. Good thing I'm quiet and sympathetic. Hmm, but that slain body is starting to look pretty good..."
>>7887691
>what is context
I *believe* that context would remedy most of those issues. The angel-type thing isn't religious in anyways, I just couldn't think of a better term to describe something outside of the work that seems to possess a heavenly appearance, at least to the slaying character.
>>7887712
No context would really change that.
Anyone else got some input? Dude doesn't want to hear me out.
>>7887723
I think it would. A realistic analogue would be a criminal befriending a woman who happens to be a cop. Fate has it that she eventually has to take his crew in. He panics and shoots her, killing her.
Do you guys have any experience with screenwriting? How can I transit from literature to screenwriting? Any pointers?
>>7887764
0x07887764
>>7887438
if there were otp fanfiction sequels of a brilliantly written first novel by the same author i'd read em
>>7887489
Bumping.
>>7878813
>guys
implying everyone here is a man. you know, this is what's really wrong with 4channers. baka
>>7887764
there are tons of books and podcasts on screenwriting, more than for fiction. the techiniques aren't mutually exclusive, both for the writing and the pitching. i like anatomy of a story by john truby and on the page: screenwriting podcast.
>>7885177
>"Who's pitching?"
wow lol
>>7887875
Was that suggestive? I didn't think of it that way.
>>7887855
Thank you
>>7887854
It is completely irrelevant whether you pack a dong or a cunt between your legs.
>>7887940
What if I'm a man AND i have a cunt?
I-is that sexy to you, sempai?
>>7887489
We're going lewd.
>>7888209
Oh good. Because we're kind of in a bathtub right now...
>>7888219
DOES LANDON GET IN THE TUB, ANON?
ARE WE GOING THERE?
>>7878813
I daydream while im at work. When something bad happens i Imagine how it could be handled in a different light. Ive scraped a few short stories but i feel like my current project will be good enough that I dont angrily delete it.
>Grow up around russian mafia
> All the inspiration i'll ever need
psst. anyone want to hear my story idea?
>>7888267
Go on then.
>>7888276
okay, so there's a story and book for each character, all taking place in the same time range (a month, the same month) but from every other character's viewpoint. things from other people's points of view are told differently than others a lot of the time, and the characters forget things a lot while recalling the story.
the characters are very strange and "out there", like a gangster who tries to get every girlfriend he has to "accidentally" die, because he romanticises tragedy, or a 6th grade boy with no name who writes down every useless observation he sees, or a teenage girl who wants her achievements validated, so she follows the instructions that a tape recorder gives her, with a new tape every day, until she has become a full-on criminal following the instructions of someone she doesn't even know.
each book and character's story as they all intertwine parodies a different story achetype. some examples are: a crime novel, a children's adventure novel, a mystery novel, dramatic slice of life, and so on.
the final book contains the story of a boy recovering from a sickness in a hospital, and though there are references to the other stories here, he has nothing to do with anything, and defies what every other book had in common.
>>7888293
it's not an unusual concept but few concepts are band new. i just think it would be a lot of work if you're trying to do entire books.
>>7888293
That sounds like a hell of a lot of work but would be interesting to read if you can pull it off.
My only immediate criticisms are that it'll be very difficult to make their stories intertwine in any meaningful way without being huge spoilers for each other and that a single month may not be long enough for the character development arcs you describe to happen convincingly.
What is inherently wrong with reading for the story and the journey instead of reading for a deeper understanding of something?
>>7888334
Literally nothing at all. Everyone here is miserable and pretentious.
>>7887006
bumping this
Is there a clear best version of Gravity's Rainbow? I'm on my next spree of book buying and want to know which version to pick up.
>>7888219
This guy.
Here's a question - does this deserve its own thread now?
>>7878813
You are right that plot is conflict. And it's characters that create conflict.
So you say you have characters -- so what is the conflict?
Say you've got a character like Jesse James. What's his conflict? Let's say he hates authority and he wants power.
What's he going to do then? Rob a bank or some shit. What happens when you rob a bank? You escape or you get caught.
There. You have a plot.
You develop everything on top of that. Rising action is inherent in most plots. You can figure out and deepen the motivation as you go along.
If you've got characters then you've got your plot.
A lot of people don't have characters. They have a scene or feeling they want to write about.
>>7882137
The elastic locomotion of the lactation stations.
>>7888293
Have you thought about just making one novel or a short story collection?
Cloud Atlas did something quite similar to what you are suggesting. There are like 6 different characters all in different time periods and their stories are told in different genres.
They end up all coming together like stories within stories.
More important than the challenge of having to write several different novels is getting anyone to read them all.
I'd either not bother or just read the one that appealed to me.
Guys like my facebook meme page called The Indifferent Fish pls I'm lonely
>>7883115
I randomly popped into this thread. I'm straight, but you should definitely keep writing. Seems interesting.
>>7879536
had a mighty chortle because of this post, anon
>>7890154
yeah, but cloud atlas goes through periods of time. i want my stories to happen all at the same time. it seems these days with really popular book series, people gobble up every single one in the series. twilight, divergent, harry potter, game of thrones... i guess i'd just have to hope
>>7878813
1) Dreams.
2) Existing characters/character designs.
3) statements I want to make about stuff.
For example, the top athlete at my HS was also the kindest guy and one of the best students. Meanwhile, top athletes are always bad guys in stories. I am sick of that, so I would like to write a story to give that guy I knew some representation.
What are some good books on Christian ethics?
How to get over this euphoria every time I read five pages of any philosophical work? Literal euphoria, not fedora.. excited as fuck about life, head won't stop rushing with ideas, I can't get no sleep babe.. 4 AM here right now trying to calm down.
Going on long walks makes it even worse. Usually at that point I crash and burn and watch twitch or fap.
How do people even handle studying the greats like they are just processing data? Serious inquiry. Maybe I'm just born to feel I dunno. Didn't start reading yesterday.
>>7890468
What's so funny about it?
>>7891318
That's called a fetish, anon. Rub one out and you'll be good.
>>7879536 tottaly zozzed
how do I improve my prose lit?
>>7891218
its not going to happen, sorry
>>7891318
to be honest it sounds like you have a mood disorder
>>7891437
Literally just read and write. There are no shortcuts whatsoever. Think about and experiment with words constantly. Carry around a notebook and a novel and either read or write poems or whatever when you have free time and solitude. Just read and fucking write. That's fucking it.
how do we interpret the octopus?
>>7891606
thx bruh
>>7891623
We must imagine the octopus is happy.
>>7891639
the octopus feels no human emotion
>>7890399
Excited about the reception to this.
Strangely difficult to write - I keep having to keep myself from indulging Jaime's dreams. But part two is finished. Gah.
http://pastebin.com/T8HdiyB2
>>7882264
>>7891987
I'M SORRY
I REGRET EVERYTHING
>>7891964
saved.
honestly, i like your writing. do you have anything of yours put online or something? doesnt have to be about little boys being penetrated.
whats the best way to git gud at writing?
>>7892359
I do, but at this point I'm actually afraid to link to it because I'm not sure I want to associate that work with this one. I'm actually trying to get the other one published and it's nearly done.
It's still erotica though, I can't seem to write anything else.
>>7892858
is it m/m or what?
>>7892871
Always m/m.
I have a hard time getting into the mind of a female character. Plus, things can just go so much further when it's two guys for some reason.
>>7892874
whats it about?
>>7892879
A masochist who ends up in an abusive relationship with a vampire.
LOTS of pain play scenes.
>>7892889
oh man, I really want to read it. :(
>>7892894
... Yeah all right.
The writing's vastly different though. Limited vocabulary when it comes to writing Jaime.
https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=2084583&page=submissions
>>7892902
Cool. I'm gonna read this and let you know what I think, if you're still around later
>>7892910
Go for it.
Can someone post the link to the /lit/ philosophy guide? It was a Google Docs document, iirc.
>>7892930
sticky
>>7892930
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub
>>7892986
Tyvm
>>7891437
If you think you're alright, have somebody read it and edit it. If you think you suck, read and write more. Advice about writing from authors can help a bit, too.
How do I read for long periods without getting burned out
I have literally time all day but I never get more than 1 hour a day at most in..
What's a good /lit/ approved novel that can be interesting/exciting, even to normies? Hate to use this word, but what is referred to as a page-turner.
I haven't been reading a lot since a few years back and reading pages upon pages of philosophical shit is boring, so I thought I'd start off easier.
>>7893706
John Steinbeck is pretty easy. Go with East of Eden.
>>7893661
self discipline
What book will help me get over myself?
>>7894846
Anything by the sage Da'if Lépard
Did any of you actually enjoy The Iliad? I'm about half way through and I haven't actually enjoyed any of it so far. It's been just a burden that I have to get through and I keep reading other books instead. I grabbed a copy of Aesops Fables for about 2 bucks and smashed it out in an evening, it was great! I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it and it made me really realize how much I haven't been enjoying The Iliad. Is The Odyssey going to be any better?
I get that it is a different time but their general morality is so far removed from my own that I just feel like everybody is constantly making the worst decisions ever. The whole war is to get back some guys brothers waifu that is banging the dude that stole her away the whole time anyway. Also too much divine right and shit, seriously fuck those gods they're just assholes.
I'm just reading these because they're meant to be stepping stones to Plato... And I only want to read Plato as a stepping stone to Aristotle. I've read somewhat consistently for years and I recently decided to go back 'to the start' so to speak as I've generally just read a random hodgepodge of philosophy. But for that purpose would reading cliff notes on each chapter and a couple of essays on it suffice? I really want to just skip them and go right to either The First Philosophers or Herodotus.
tl;dr Did you enjoy reading The Iliad?
What's a good intro to Shakespeare? An anthology or collection, and if so what edition do you suggest? Never read anything by him before.
>>7894899
Othello or a Merchant of Venice. Then moce on to Hamlet or Macbeth.
>>7894919
Not him, but who publishes good annotated versions of the works?
>>7894859
You're breaking your hermeneutic hymen. It's always painful the first time.
>understanding and interpretation thus always occurs from within a particular ‘horizon’ that is determined by our historically-determined situatedness. Understanding is not, however, imprisoned within the horizon of its situation—indeed, the horizon of understanding is neither static nor unchanging (it is, after all, always subject to the effects of history). Just as our prejudices are themselves brought into question in the process of understanding, so, in the encounter with another, is the horizon of our own understanding susceptible to change.
Try to understand that every worldview is complete and self-contained, and that every worldview is just one facet of a total philosophical anthropology. You're never going to be able to read shitloads of great literature properly if you can only read from your own perspective.
It's not just about suspending your own perspective though. It's about learning how to bridge and connect it with other perspectives. That's how you enlarge your own perspective, and make it more complete. Eventually you'll be able to read weird-ass medieval romances, and other shit with totally different values from your own, and you'll feel like equally weird-ass Homer and equally weird-ass, kind-of-an-asshole New Testament Jesus (and so on) are inside your head with you from previous readings of them, going "this shit's weird" right along with you. And then next time it'll be Homer, Jesus, and some medieval knight who thinks murdering dudes is OK as long as they're not noble.
It's all just facets of a total humanity. That's why you gotta push through it. Yeah it can definitely be tedious. Especially on the purely technical level, it's hard to read things that are very different from, or just more primitive forms of, your own culture's narrative structures. But again, by doing that, you expand your ability to read and understand in general. You make your mind more plastic and supple. The alternative is the mental sickness that is terminally retarding most people in the West right now, namely their brains being a collection of stock tropes and narrative forms. That shit limits not only your range of knowledge, but your range of possible forms of thought itself.
>>7894919
why does she have fanta bottles on her shelf?
>>7894935
poor or comes from low income family, if you relate that to why is there a picture of her posing on the internet it makes more sense. her rooms filled with clutter and has video game posters on the wall.
basically
>loser
>>7894932
Thank you for your well thought out and articulated response anon.
I really didn't think about it that way and I believe that you're right. Even though I have been finding it a pain to read, I'll push though. I just wanted to... Rush ahead to the stuff that made more sense within my own perspective. Or I guess I suppose have it filtered through another person so I wouldn't have to do that mental work of bridging the weird worldview myself.
To be honest, I now feel pretty stupid. That's a whole way of looking at what I'm reading that I feel I've been missing out on. I will admit that I generally just go for books that make 'sense' to me or at most just marginally 'push out' the edges of understanding that I already have. I guess that's part of the uncomfortable feeling of breaking my hermeneutic hymen as you put it. To follow that analogy, could you recommend any textual lube that could help me with this transition? Or would you recommend that I keep plowing away at what I'm already doing while attempting to keep an 'open mind'?
>>7894899
i read along while watching good performances of them. to be honest, you're not really supposed to just read them
did anyone else find it difficult to understand myth of sisyphus? and simultaneously have major disagreements with camus on how he deduces consequences to absurdism?
What are some good essays or books on cruelty? I think Freud wrote something about it from the perspective of psychoanalysis, but I don't know in what book I can find that. But I'd also like to read about cruelty from a non-psychoanalytic point of view.
>>7895225
Is there any production you would recommend? Reading/viewing sounds good to me. I've seen, and are familiar enough with Rome and Juliet of course.
What is with stanzas in poetry? Why is it written in this way, and how would you speak it? I've never studied poetry or really read any and have had no one to ask. Here's an example:
A green world, a sceen of green deep
with light blues, the greens made deep
by those blues. One thinks how
in certain pictures, envied landscapes are seen
(through a window. maybe) far behind the serene
...
Why break mid sentence like this? Do you speak as if it were starting or do you just keep reading and the lines and their form are merely aesthetic?
what book should i read next?
