Give me the gist
>guy talks to God
>tells people
>flies away on a winged horse
>no pictures were taken
>>7851509
this pic pretty much sums up my opinions on it
>>7851509
It's an explosive read
kill people
burn shit
fuck school
>be peaceful to other islams
>anyone who isn't Islamic you are free to kill, rape, etc.
First half: love everyone, don't harm anyone, don't force anyone to follow your religion, seek knowledge
Second half: Kill until there's no blood left to spill, say this before entering the bathroom or into hell you go, if unbelievers don't convert or pay up Kill'em all
Atheist middle eastern here
>>7851509
aisha
>>7853142
Would you recommend reading it up to a certain point and then stop? Or should I just plow through the whole thing?
>arbitrarily decided rules for running a society that always heavily favor men and suppress women (daughters get half the inheritance of sons, need men to testify on their behalf to divorce abusive husbands, etc.)
>be super nice to other Muslims
>anyone who is a sinner can and should be mercilessly slaughtered
>all polytheists are sinners
>People of the Book are sinners if they don't meekly accept Muslim rule and second class citizen status
>countless other ways that spell out sinner = any non-practicing Muslim or non-Muslim that puts a toe out of line
>toe out of line defined as existing
>Jihadists clarified as being holier and more beloved by God
If memory serves, the first passage to talk about Jihad is called "Battle Lines," about forming armies against sinners and fighting violent conflicts. "Inner Struggle" indeed.
>>7853506
Admittedly, I did not read the entire book, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% of it. Honestly, it gets really repetitive; torment, agony, agonizing torment, fire, and such half to be the most used words. My translation was done by an accredited Sunni professor who has memorized the entire Qu'ran and it was clear he was trying to translate it in a way that reflected better upon the passages. I compared lines as I read to other translations and the original morphology of Arabic words (using online resources) and I honestly don't understand how anyone can claim there's anything poignant or poetic about it. Even the Bible has parables and uses metaphors that are occasionally beautiful and memorable. This book really falls short of sounding divinely transcribed.
>>7851509
Christianity 2: Monotheism Boogaloo
>>7853517
>butt can u rite smthin liek it??!?
>No?
>Book of dog confirmed
I had to memorize some of this shit when I was a kid. Even more infuriating are Muslims bending their backs in interpretation to come up with '''''Scientific Miracles''''' to justify their beliefs.
>>7851631
>>7853517
>I honestly don't understand how anyone can claim there's anything poignant or poetic about it
I'm a Muslim, and I've read it in Arabic. I can tell you right now that it's literally just instructions when translated to English, there's nothing poetic about it. But reading it in Arabic is a whole different experience, and is definitely poetic.
>>7853548
That's just a bad translation then.
>>7853550
Well good luck finding a good translation senpai, they're all shit compared to reading it in Arabic.
>>7853555
this
>>7853532
I found nothing redeeming in this book whatsoever. It was only useful to me in painting a picture of how the very foundations of the Islamic religion lend themselves to a militant and repressive ideology incompatible with contemporary Western values. Are all Muslims bad people? Of course not. But I'd be hard pressed to think of how any large amount of truly devout Muslims (as devotion is spelled out in this text and the Hadiths) could integrate into a non-Islamist society without eventually changing that society for the worse.
>>7853550
>Muh bad translation boogeyman
If hundreds if not thousands of bilingual scholars over centuries have continuously failed to carry the meaning of the core text of the world's second largest and fastest growing religion into other languages, I'd say that's a reflection on the quality of the original text at this point, especially since many of the translators would be motivated to evangelize and therefore would want to preserve the meaning.
>>7853563
>Knowing what is better for society
>>7853584
>relativist
can you honestly deny seeing a difference between a good society and a bad society?
>>7853590
Can you honestly say either one has more value than the other?
Do you always measure the worth by the depth of the hardship?
>>7853584
So you think a society founded upon secular principles respecting right to private worship and freedom of speech is roughly the same to live in as a fundamentalist one where non-conformists or critics are stoned to death?
If you say no then you admit societies can be quantified as better or worse than one another.
If you say yes, well, you're a moron.
>>7853611
Okay, so yes, you are a moron.
>>7851755
t. Guy who's only exposure to the quran are 4chan infographics
>>7853159
Go through the whole thing. Oxford classics has a good translation.
t. Apostate
>>7853584
I don't claim to know exactly the state that society should be in, but a society psuedo-worshipping a slave owning warlord as a prophet of God, and kills former muslims who want to believe whatever they choose to be believe, instead of following the religion of their parents, is not a good society.
>>7853614
Spoken like someone who's never visited places he's so keen to speak about.
>>7851509
An epic story by the famed George r.r Martin
>>7853640
>Numbers therefore everyday reality in said country.
>>7853643
I'm not him, but I'm a former Muslim who has actually lived in Muslim countries. It's safe to say that in Many of those Muslim countries, the majority of people have little respect for Basic Human Rights such as Freedom of Religion and Sexuality.
>>7853648
How else would you gauge the views of people instead of Asking them what they believe, and looking at the laws of their Governments?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/11/23/saudi-arabia-poet-sentenced-death-apostasy
>>7853611
I invite you to move to mogadishu right now
>>7853643
I'd say your seeming willful ignorance that "other places" may not be so hunky dory trumps my considered appreciation for how good I/we have it where we are.
>>7853643
>Never been to these places but through observation and consumption of information has compared the realities of different nations and arrived at a conclusion about which ones are preferable to live in based upon standards of living, prosperity, and personal rights.
>Never been to these places and assumes for some reason that everywhere is probably just roughly equivalent to each other
Which one is you?
>>7853643
if you're willing to avoid certain areas in your country why can't the same be said for an entire nation?
>>7853712
I get the impression that anon I'd arguing from a standpoint of "well, by what metrics can you even objectively judge one societies superiority to another," that boils down to "I don't think human suffering is really an objective measure."
>>7853745
it may not be objective but it sure is intuitive.
>>7853758
Oh, I agree. From a philosophical standpoint, I'm sure human suffering and what constitutes it blah blah is it's own riveting discussion. But, in a debate about actual contemporary societies and the points that qualify what makes them more or less preferable to live in (freedom of expression, religious tolerance, personal daily safety, etc.) I think it's assumed that human suffering is a pretty important criteria. For someone throwing out accusations of ignorance ("you've never even been there,") that guy seems more ignorant than anyone.
>>7853792
Or a troll or a Muslim saying whatever he can to defend his religion.
>>7851533
underrated
>>7853142
>First half
>Second half
>>7853563
Let me guess, you read a translation of the Quraan.
>>7855025
kek, is this from that pedo dating sim thingy?
Islam is the religion of the Devil.
Muhammad (piss pigs be upon him) was conned by Luci(fer) who was disguised as the Angel Gabriel.
Whispering in Muhammad's ear, hanging out in a cave. (homoerotic)
But even ignoring Theology—
Muslims worship a mass murdering pedophile who is considered perfect in his deeds and words.
Why do you accept people who believe that filth?
>>7853522
Judaism 3: At the Worlds End
>>7855089
That Mohammad guy sounds like a legit alpha
>>7853614
Thank God one can be a socialist in America.
1. there is one god
2. muhammad is his messenger
3. jesus was a prophet but not the son of god
4. the jews fucked up and lost the message
t. an atheist
>>7853640
>mfw I finally see my country mentioned but it's showing how barbaric it really is
>>7853648
>anecdotal experience beats data
>muh experience
>>7851509
jews are bad, you can get out of stuff by giving to charity and/or fasting, infidels go to hell
>>7851509
its a blast
>>7851509
making shit up as he goes along, shifts due to military position
good handbook for those that want to come up with their own religions
requires subjugation of other peoples and majority rule (unlike christianity; unto caesar)
"every message before this one got garbled, this is the real shit"
"you are all going to experience hell in these very specific ways... oh man will you be sorry then!"
worse than i expected. would rate:
koran 4/10
compared to new testament 6/10
compared to old testament as a whole 5/10
compared to good parts of old testament 8/10
A dude formulates a system of law given the circumstances of his time to deal with what is happening around him as his religion ddvdlops an iddntity and grows into a power that requires government. It's a collection of this dude's sayings that were recorded by his followers, essentially instructions for what the religious community should do. Notable themes are the references to events happening in the present and references to history and religious texts often without context, non linear organization and repetition.
Just look up Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48D468WzDeQ
It's in Indonesian subtitle, but you can still extract the verses/surah.
>>7853640
>waaaaahhhh the mean muslims are too harsh on crime
Fuck off, libshit.
I'm all for instituting chopping off hands for robbery and stealing.
It would honestly keep those gas-station robbing niggers in check here in America.
Seared my consciousness like the heat of jet fuel
>>7851509
allahu ackbar
>>7856575
has there ever been an american poster who wasnt an internet tough guy?
>>7856575
>Muslim Countries
>Tough on Crime
Steal a loaf of bread,get your Hands cut off
Steal Millions in Tax Revenue, buy a Second House for your Brother in Law.
>>7851509
I bought an original copy for 9 dollars at a thrift shop. What a steel.
>>7856753
Woot, where do you live, m80? Round here in Europe you can get them for free in every shopping street, Saudi Arabia is sponsoring them. : ^
>>7856708
Finland is the toppest most uncorruptest country in the world
>>7856708
>>7853159
It's not in chronological order.
it's wierd as hell, in one instance it's about being a good person and then in the next it talks about fighting people until they give you tribute because they don't believe in allah.
desu, i think old mo made shit up as he went, i mean, he "revealed" a verse about killing adulterers when he suspected his wife of cheating on him when the punishment previously had been much less harsh
>>7855108
Egyptian Mythology 4: The Quest for Peace.
>>7855089
>raisin heads
that's what I'm calling nigs now
>>7856975
eyo check dis cauliflower head
>>7855243
Egypt?
>>7851509
Mohammed is a pretty sad figure when you compare him to people like Jesus, Moses, or Buddha.
>>7857030
How so?
>>7857035
He was too much of a Normalfag. Jesus was Celibate and the Buddha gave up Women, but Muhammad had 11 fucking Wives.
Some dirty hispanic warrior horsefucker memes on people, accidentally finding a new cult while drunk in the desert.
>>7858195
Finnish memes kaksoispistedededede
>>7858236
haha, that meme is great do you mind if I save it?
>>7858253
It's all yours my friend :DDD
only one god exists, He sent a final messenger. Worship said god only, or read to find out.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran)
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward"
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).
Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."
Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause"
Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)."
Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."
Bukhari (11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."
I think you get the idea
>>7853142
>First half: love everyone,
>Second half: Kill until there's no blood left to spill
So basically like the Bible only in reverse.
>>7859510
While true, that's irrelevant to this thread. But that poster does make the mistake of removing those verses from their essential context.
>>7859518
sorry. I got rid of it for you
>>7859510
#RefugeesWelcome #NotAllMuslims #NurturingHumanity #Peace4All #SaveTheChildren #OneLove
>>7859518
Here is where I pulled the verses from, where they are discussed "in context"
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
Not really sure why quotes describing the slaughter of all non-believers need context...
>>7853159
I haven't read the whole thing from start to end because it's tedious and repetitive, also it's not in chronological order so just read the verses that are basically stories like Al Kahf because everything else is like rules and laws and such,
Sorry for replying so late
>>7856968
Mesopotamian mythology 5: how the hell did we manage to Fuck up so badly?
Anybody here read the Hadiths?
From what I've heard everyone says the Hadiths are even worse then the Quran, and they are also more important for Muslims to actually practice Islam.
>>7857006
Indonesia, m8. 'Tis a shithole.
>>7859498
Dude, can I save this and shitpost it everywhere to piss off my fellow Christians?
>>7860120
Most hadiths are bullshit made up caliphates to support their rule so don't bother with them.
Hint: if Abu Huraita is mentioned then the hadith is certified bullshit
>>7853644
underrated post
>>7860334
This, fuck the Hadiths. The Quran is the only proper word of God, Muslims shouldn't follow things written by other people that followed Mohammed around.
>7860504
Fuck the Quran. Muslims should follow the trail that leads off a cliff into a grease fire.
