>the book was written by a Protestant
>the book was written
>>7847686
Protestantfags WILL defend this
>>7847686
What's wrong with Protestants?
>>7847736
More like, what's right with Protestants?
>>7847739
this desu
>>7847736
The question is what is wrong with protestant doctrine and the answer is everything that isn't the same as the Catholic doctrine.
>>7847736
>What's wrong with American Protestants?
FTFY. I mean the whole continent by the way.
>Scroll was written by a sophist
Zeus!
>>7847761
>visit Peru
>see an evangelical service occurring
>mfw
I would normally agree, but are you really throwing out Paradiſe Loſt?
Reminder that the difference between Catholics and Protestants is that Protestants have actually read the Bible.
>>7847752
>>7847686
I'm a culturally protestant fedora, and I've had it with this idiotic catholic chauvinism anti-protestantism on this fucking website. Multiple times a day, either here, on /his/, or /int/. Yes, I mad, yes, I triggered.
Your whole bullshit is a fallacious sentimental appeal to history, where you pretend authority where you have never, do not, and can never have it. All that you are, is an older cult among cults. And you're not even the oldest cult yet living. All that you can do is gibber Muh History, Muh Culture, Muh Pretty Sculptures.
Insofar as /you all believe in a dead kike on a stick/, you are all equally stupid, dumb and worthless. Some of the stupidities native to the Catholic offshoot, or branch, of Christendom include kike wine to kike blood (oh but let's insert weasal words about what's actually going on, depending on what 'heathen' we address ourselves to) and diddling choir boys.
Fuck all cults, and fuck Islam, Judaism, and the Roman Catholic Church in particular. Your mother sucks cocks in hell. Fuck off.
*tips, sheathes katana, smoke-bombs*
>>7847724
im not religious, but do you seriously judge a group based on how ornate their buildings are? jesus was ascetic as fuck you fool
>>7847790
catholics read the bible.. they just add a bunch of non essential books to the old testament, and force u to confess your sins to some child toucher every week, where protestants put the emphasis on a personal relationship with God
>>7847806
what is this, some sort of new wave /his/ copypasta? it's awful.
Protestantism is much more intellectual than Catholicism, and no replying with a picture of Santo Tomás does not disprove this, and I know a lot more than you about the theology of both sects. The average catholic will get shitfaced and do whatever throughout the week and just believe that as long as they go to confession it's all good. They are very idolatrous and even the most low-life degenerate catholics will cross themselves before they do anything like sports. It amounts to a bunch of empty gestures for most of them. Really, I would like to see a more united Christian church, and I am neither Catholic or Protestant but I will take Protestantism over Catholic pope worship any day.
>>7847790
Protestants read cherry picked parts of the Bible that give them the feeling of moral superiority.
>>7847822
It's quite possible. But you never know with protestants, most of the stuff you hear from them sounds like a pasta.
>>7847686
Which are some good pious protestant authors?
Leibniz, Locke, Kierkegaard and umm? I honest to God can't think of a good protestant novelist and can think of a dozen of Catholic and orthodox ones.
Masaryk t.bh
>>7847871
Hegel? But I'm don't know how assiduous he actually was.
>>7847871
Milton and Goethe have been mentioned in this thread.
>>7847837
*tips sola scriptura*
>papal infallibility
>>7847920
Goethe wasn't even a Christian, but yeah, I forgot about Milton.
>>7847915
Putting Hegel in the same basket with a Christian is wrong. I forgot about Kant, but he was also not very orthodox even for a protestant.
But it certainly does seem that they were much more influential in philosophy than Catholic after the 16th century.
>>7847933
>means that the church follows his words on matters of faith and morality
Do Protestants still think that infallibility means that if the Pope say 2+2=5 Catholics have to believe it?
>>7847949
Well if you take just his philosophy,obviously he is an heretic, but did he go to church and all? That's what I would like to know.
>>7847949
Kant wasn't a Christian
>>7847969
I know Kant was very pious, but haven't heard about Hegel. Considering his philosophy is essentially the one which made Europe break away from Christianity it's hard to see him as a church going person, or someone doing it honestly.
>>7847966
The Pope doesn't know shit.
>>7847971
I think he was. He certainly wasn't orthodox, but coming from his ethics, seeing him as a non Christian is hard.
>>7847976
Francis sure don't.
But Benedict was a great author, check him out.
>>7847724
Catholics WILL defend this
>>7847993
I found it hard to be Catholic when no evidence was distributed to show that the Pope was outside of turning the Church into a huge rape-mobile. By the logic of infallibility "St." John Paul II did literally nothing wrong, even tho the anuses of children everywhere were opened with the holy scepter.
>>7847845
Protestant Christianity is the pasta of religions. There's a million copies, each one tweaked a little bit.
>the book was written by a kafir
>>7847822
It is a one hundred percent correct sentiment and, being correct and unironic, is good. Fuck off with your faggot papist bullshit.
>inb4 "the book was written"
>this whole thread
>>7848001
dude, the romans (who killed christ) co-opted his beliefs and used them to legitimize a 2000 year long pedo spree
>>7847686
Pynchon and Wallace are protestants through and through and they are two of the three /lit/ guards
>>7847806
It's all just banter autistico maximus
>>7848060
every single person has a different opinion of what their religion means.
>>7848099
well they're both terrible anon
>>7848060
that's because protestants love freedom and individuality, unlike catholics have an almost oriental slavishness
>>7848001
Pope is the first among apostles in the apostolic Church. Like St. Peter.
>>7848113
Yes that is why its okay to rape children.
>>7848116
literal reddit argument
>>7847766
people in central america are sick of serving a corrupt and liberty hating dictator in rome, they see the freedom, prosperity and happiness in the united states and want that for themselves, the USA is truly blessed
>>7848119
You literally did not refute the man's argument. You just said something completely unrelated to what he was saying. His entire comment was about the child abuse scandal, and you just decide to repeat catholic doctrine unrelated to the issue at hand.
>>7848105
they are two of the most popular authors here
+Milton
+Goethe
+pretty much every American who grew up under protestant culture which is like all of them
>>7847752
>protestant doctrine
>the bible
>catholic doctrine
>the bible + some a bunch of other stuff stuff
Suuuuuure
>>7848128
what's it really like growing up under protestantism?
t. someone from a place where organised religion is basically nonexistent
>>7847837
This. The pope is an idol. The virgin is an idol. The saints are idols. None can be prayed to except God himself and only directly by the sinner, not the sinner through some made up hierarchy
what does /lit/ think of orthodoxy?
>>7848134
its unreal desu
All the heresy in this thread... Delicious ;)
>>7848144
Meme church
>>7848169
elaborate
>>7848166
fuck off
>>7848144
as a protestant, i respect them and sometimes attend their services with my orthodox gf who likes hella cute in her head covering
>>7847806
>I'm culturally protestant
>my forefathers were protestant and I have an irrational hatred of catholics and popery
>>7847724
Why not worship in a Pizza Hut?
>>7848277
I find this picture quite arousing. What does that mean?
>>7848286
That you either have a foot fetish for niggers or have a cuckoldry fetish for watching the pope fornicate with ragheads
>>7847739
>Don't bear idols, unlike Catholics and their prayers and trinkets of saints, angels, and Mary
>Don't believe you can buy your way out of sin and into God's good graces, unlike Catholics
>Don't believe in earthly people acting as an authority on God, unlike Catholics
>Don't defend and protect child rapists just because they are members of a special organization
>Don't have an earthly king
>Don't hate women
Do you hate Protestants just because they make you look like hypocritical shitheads who can't into religion? Lol.
>>7848235
It is true that one must worship wherever one can, and that worshiping in a humble building is a beautiful thing and unspeakably better than no worshiping and no congregating at all.
It is also true that churches should aspire to be beautiful. It's not necessarily a Christian ideal as it is in Islam (where one of the 99 Names of Allah is "Al-Badi" or "the Beautiful", and where the pursuit of spirituality is intimately interwoven with the pursuit of beauty (see ihsan).
But it's traditionally been something all churches aspired too. Beauty is meaningful in a lot of theological contexts, and most persons would agree that beautiful churches help worshipers gain a sense of wonder and awe as they prepare for services.
Professor Robert Gimello, a Buddhologist, has described the art produced (architecturally and as motifs/reliefs/stained glass etc.) in the Christian Middle Ages and in Buddhist temples in classical China, as "anagogical." The art is not merely beautiful. It is a component in the process of the religion itself.
fixed
>>7848315
Nice OC but you misspelt Paradife Loft.
>>7847814
hey senpai u realize the bible tells you to make your churches ornate and stuff, right?
>>7848315
it's beautiful
>>7847806
>cult as an insult
>yfw Catholicism has recognised cults
what else are you to do with the saints that don't exist?
>>7848293
>It says don't worship idols, veneration is different. Look up the Iconoclasts of Byzantium.
>They don't do indulgences anymore Martin.
>Sure, don't beleive in earthly people, but let's hop right on Calvin and Luther's weiners.
>This has already been addressed and is in the process of being worked on. Don't act like Protestants have the cleanest hands over history either.
>The Pope isn't a King senpai.
>Where do we hate women?
But don't worry man, when Christ comes to earth again we will both be saved. Keep your faith and don't hate us.
>>7848277
And you won't defend Luke 7:38?
>>7848320
mfw this will suffice for many here and they will believe it
>>7848343
I have a serious question for Cathies. I used to be under the impression that the Pope was supposed to be infallible. Somebody told me that the Pope is only infallible sometimes. Can someone explain that to me? Does he have to charge that power up like a Limit in Final Fantasy?
>>7848352
The woman in Luke 7:38 was kissing the feet of Jesus, not the rancid athlete's foot of some ordinary man.
>>7848352
>Luke 7:38
>equating some random braindead shitskin, (pulled off the street for a photo-op to try and make Catholicism look revalent), to the son of God
>>7848343
I don't hate you, I just hate how many Catholics can't smell their own shit, and act like a more humble form of worship is pathetic (apparently Christ wasn't humble, I guess.) Protestants have their own shit to bear too, you are right.
However, you seem like one of the good ones. My anger wasn't directed towards you or people like you.
>>7848363
>>7848387
>Peter 2:21
>For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.
Galatians 3:37
>For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
As for the Pope acting like a Good Christian
John 3:7
>Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
>>7848388
Just let it go then, and keep on doing well in the path you walk to salvation and Resurrection.
Job 34:11 is always my favorite when I get in a rut thinking ill of other sects, cults and churches.
>>7848450
>For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.
So the pope seriously believes an Islamic nigger is Jesus Christ? This man is supposed to represent the face of Catholicism
>unrelated passages taken out of context in a desperate effort to defend your holy cuck
Point me to the verse where Christ tells us to kiss the filthy feet of our sworn enemies who desire the immediate death of our faith
>>7848360
Your friend is entirely wrong. As far as current doctrine goes, yes the Pope is infallible. Ex Cathedra and all that.
Does that mean we can't question Papal Infallibility? No, not at all. We can question it, critize the doctrine and history it comes from. Lots of current Theologians do just that. Christiantiy is a religion of reason, understanding and debate. Cannon changes, Doctrine changes and it will ever more.
But, papal infalibility does me currently that we must follow the teaching of the Pope and whatever he says Ex Cathedra.
Just like the president doing an executive order. Do you like it? Maybe, maybe no, but you still have to follow it.
>>7848485
No he didn't believe that they are Christ. But it is Christ like to act kindly to others.
And it wasn't out of context, read on to Galatians 3:29. You'll have to forgive the typo. It was meant to be Galatians 3:27.
Matthew 5:54.
Romans 12:17-21
Luke 6:27
John 15:12
Mark 11:25
>>7848277
John 13
>>7848510
Have you memorized these? Impressive, if so.
>>7848540
i love how ahistorical every jesus picture is showing a bunch of white dudes when jesus was jewish living among other jews and middle easterners.
>>7848541
Only a few! I'm getting better, i stick to the ones most for arguments like this because they happen so often with hateful Christians of all sorts. They are useful to remind Christians to act goodly since Love is at the core of our belief.
Job 34:11 is my personal favorite. It's succinct and really embodies what I like most about being a Catholic.
>>7848548
That particular one is from the Mormon church who unironically believe in White Jesus
>>7848277
> When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 15 I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16 Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
>>7848548
Christianity is like that brain parasite in that one star trek movie. Only it got into white people's brains.
The world is mad because white people do radical warring religion better than Jews and Muslims.
But it needs to go. White people need to get rid of the foreign religion
>book written by a leftist
>book is maximalist
>has more than 5 characters
>has references
>reading for the plot
>has metaphors
>reading for the prose
>author isn't dead for at least 100 years
>>7848548
according to the federal government of the united states of america jews and arabs are white, suck it
>>7848579
i used to think that until i looked at how horrible india is with it's pre-monotheistic aryan paganism, if the chinks n gooks can worship an indian buddha then the europeans can worship a jew without it negatively affecting them
>>7848602
which is to say what a horribly spooked civilization with no sense of social justice or human decency whatsoever...europe has been enjoying the benefits of christianity so long they forget how much paganism sucks but just look at the parts of europe that flirt with paganism under cover of catholic "christianity" they have the weakest economies, high corruption, and a sexualized and hedonistic culture with flamboyant fashion and other decadent habits
>>7848620
It's not paganistic at all. Just because you don't know how saints work and fall amongst the Court of the Lord doesn't mean it's pagan to have a Patron and pray to their Eternal Soul.
If anything your argument would be better off claiming it's Pagain-ish because of it's Platanist belief in the Soul and Eternal Life.
They were also at one time the strongest piece of Europe as was the Eastern Church in Byzantium.
Put down Stirner for a bit and pick up a new book.
>>7848649
bro saints are just a rip off of the pre-christian worship of dead roman emperors, it's literally fucking pagan, son
>>7848487
So when the pope sold indulgences he was correct, and he was also correct when he condemned those who disagreed with the sale of indulgences, but a later pope was also correct when he foreswore the sale of indulgences. This would seem to put the two infallible popes in opposition to one another, no?
>>7848669
"infallible" leaders are for asians not europeans, catholicism is oriental despotism
>>7848669
The Church never really 'approved' of selling indulgences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence
Also take a look at the Council of Trent. I am not sitting here defending Indulgences and the corruptness of that period of the Church. But it is foggy and too long for me to explain well.
Your question is a good one! I really don't know off the top of my head, I am going to go do some reading on that now, I hope you do the same. I don't pretend to be a Theologian, it's just a passing fancy.
>>7848667
Is it wrong to inherit things from older groups and beliefs? Lots of the Catholic belief systems are Aristeolian and Platonist. It doesn't mean it's pagan, just means we borrowed from them.
Again, you do not 'worship' saints, You simply venerate them.
>>7847686
Paradise Lost is literally better than anything written by any Catholic ever, and I say that as someone that gives 0 (zero) shits about either of them.
>>7848717
is that because you can only read English?
>>7848717
yeah i sampled some augustine since one always hear these catholics raving about him but it was kind of not that good to be honest
>>7848727
avatarfagging is a global rule violation
>>7848734
you realize thats only when someone uses a single image over and over right?
>>7848102
Should actually be autistius maximus
>>7848711
Great examples of the talmudic logic-chopping that makes catholicism a joke.
>>7848711
>I'm obligated to do what the pope says because he's probably infallible most of the time
>but any reason for this is just a passing fancy lmao
Do you want more fedoras? Because that's how you make fedoras.
>>7848293
>>7849065
>>7849068
>>7849065
>>7849068
>>7849073
>>7848130
That's because Catholicism predates the bible and doesn't even claim that the bible is the only source of revelation (the other two being the magisterium and tradition).
>>7848356
Well considering how important was the temple and priesthood to the Jews and Catholicism being born out of it it would make literally no sense for a Jew turned Christian to reject hierarchy and nice temples.
>>7848360
Pope is infallible only when speaking ex cathedra to establish a new or confirm an old dogma with the support of the body of bishops.
It has been used only a few times in the past 4-5 hundred years and it was making the already existing doctrines into dogmas.
>>7848669
You inherently misunderstood a simple concept that was just a short google away.
>>7849073
>>7847686
how close minded op
UP THE RA
>>7849405
>Catholicism predates the bible
Just another advantage of being 90% paganism, right my Papist friend.
>>7849464
Considering the core tenements of Catholicism are the same as in all other later founded churches and in the schismatic orthodox church, it makes little sense to claim Catholicism is pagan.
Protestantism and culture are incompatible. I don't know why it has to be that way, but it do.
what an utterly divine bread I'm toasting in
>>7849405
>You inherently misunderstood a simple concept that was just a short google away.
Finding only weak reasoning behind Catholic attempts to make this okay isn't a misunderstanding.
>>7847686
>the book was written by a Mormon
>>7847693
>the book was
>>7847806
Ha ha I bet you wear an unfashionable and outdated hat :P
>>7847966
>church follows his words on matters of faith and morality
>morality
Take it to >>>/his/.
>Sola fide
James 2:24
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
>>7847686
anything written by Kierkegaard or William blake, right?
dude this thread is srsly shitty as fuck
>>7850226
>tumblr gif posted from an iphone
me too
>>7848548
palestinians were caucasian before the arabs conquered and race-mixed them
you're the ahistorical one here
>>7849594
>culture is an old statue and big building
shouldn't you be worshipping saints and being corrupt somewhere
Protestants have such awful retorts.
At least Catholics can shitpost.
>>7849464
>thinks the Bible was literally written at the moment of Christ's death
>not a member of a church with apostolic succession from the very first Christians
>self-cucked from nearness to God
>>7848360
I think it's that the Pope is only infallible when speaking Ex Cathedra about interpretation of scripture, doctrines and teachings, and moral law.
Unlike Protestants seem to believe, the Pope isn't just some magical God-King.
>>7847971
have you ever read kant?
if yes, re-read him.
if not:
he is an anti-scholastic, meaning he does not believe we can PROVE god exists because we live in the phenomenal (read: physical) world whereas God lives in the noumenal (read: transcendental) world.
yet he assumes God exists as one of the three postulates of practical reason (along with freewill and immortality of the soul) because although he cant prove god exists, if god didnt then kants entire philosophy, especially ethics, is completely meaningless.
God is the Summum Bonum.
>>7848343
>But don't worry man, when Christ comes to earth again we will both be saved.
dont catholics believe in "ex exceliusium non sulla est" (excuse spelling)
i.e. no salvation outside the church
sorry, not expert in catholic doctine
>>7850809
The Westboro Baptist Church also believes they're the only sect of Christianity that will be saved. It's just dummies believing their interpretation is the correct interpretation.
>>7847871
Its funny how all the GOAT British writers were Catholics
Donne, Pope, Marlowe.. I don't know if you'd put Shakespeare in there too.
Even more recently you have Greene, Chesterton, Waugh, Belloc who all have Catholicism as a central theme of thier writings
Its hard to think of protestant equivalents, Lewis and Tolkein, perhaps, but nowhere near the same level
>>7847949
Although Catholics dominate lit, the protestants dominate Enlightenment philosophy.
Kant was an austere lutheran, as was Kierkegaard. Hume was raised presbyterian and Rousseau was certianly protestant too.
The exception would be Diderot, but even he was a Jansenist Catholic
>>7851060
Hmm Lewis and Elliott were both Anglican, but strangely fond of Catholic intellectual heritage.
Very strange indeed, for a country which Belloc calls one where being a Victorian meant hatred for Catholicism.
>>7851084
While some of those were pious protestants I don't think you can say others were Christian at all. Rousseau and Hume were as far as I know very anti Christian, as far as doctrine goes. And you can't really expect Catholics to be in the enlightenment at all, very different concepts of life in general.
But protestants certainly did dominate philosophy, after Descartes and Pascal I can't think of another Catholic philosopher that was as influential as Berkley, Kant or Locke.
>>7851692
And across the Irish sea you have Beckett, Yeats and Wilde who all were raised Anglican. I don't know enough about Ireland to know if there may have been material factors why that was but its' still interesting
>>7851723
I honestly can't think of anyone Irish as protestant after Joyce.
>>7851692
One obvious Catholic enlightenment thinker is Isaac Newton btw, but you're right- hard to think of a philosopher apart from Diderot who was already mentioned
>>7851740
Wasn't Newton a wacky protestant?
>>7851752
Yeah you're right. I don't know why i thought otherwise
>>7851771
Also Diderot was an atheist.
I when classifying people don't like to call them Catholic or anything else if they renounced it. Saying an atheist was Catholic is both paradoxical and unfair to the man.
>>7850227
>the book
>>7847736
they're stupid.
>>7852843
:^)
>>7849460
wew
