ITT: we discuss which political candidates famous authors or philosopher would support.
I'll start. Bernie Sanders is exactly how I imagine Allen Ginsberg would act if he ran for president.
>>7837665
Donald Trump=Julius Evola
Poudhon would probably support Donald Trump who seems to be our genorations Napoleon III
>>7837665
I think that Karl Marx would support Bernie Sanders.
Very few literary figures would support Trump. Ayn Rand is the only one I can think of.
>>7837713
>Napoleon III
Try Juan Perón
>>7837730
Most literary figures would support Trump. The main exception would be Frankfurt School cultural marxist faggots and their ilk.
>>7837713
you shame his memory
>>7837665
>I'll start. Bernie Sanders is exactly how I imagine Allen Ginsberg would act if he ran for president.
m8 you need to read Allen Ginsberg and everything about his life.
>>7837682
but Trump is a degenerate still. Idk how that'd work out.
>>7837736
For anyone not familiar I have posted a chart to educate you on what this fellow is talking about.
I can only imagine what HST would have to say about the candidates.
>>7837751
HST best politician
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Aspen
>>7837742
Allen Ginsberg for president.
>Sponsored by NAMBLA.
>>7837760
Allen Ginsberg for president.
>Aum the Middle East to Peace
>>7837739
>>7837751
>I'LL VOTE FOR WHOEVER LIKES BOB DYLAN
>DUDE WEED
>>7837751
This year more than any other has made me sad that Thompson is dead.
Can you imagine him covering this year's Republican campaign? Covering Trump? Covering the Democrats with Sanders and Clinton? This year may actually be weirder and wackier than 1972.
>>7837750
Good job. Your work is done now, that chart illustrated what you were talking about beautifully. You can retire back to /pol/, and no need to ever come back.
>>7837779
This. Where are the modern journalists int he same vein? I do not simply mean, drugs, madness, but the skill and the gall of a existentialist gone mad.
>>7837714
What the fuck. Why would he.
t. Gommunist
>>7837777
lol HST's platform was better than that
>"Drug Sales must be controlled. My first act as Sheriff will be to install, on the courthouse lawn, a bastinado platform and a set of stocks in order to punish dishonest dope dealers in a proper public fashion. Each year these dealers cheat millions of people out of millions of dollars.... it will be the general philosophy of the Sheriff’s office that no drug worth taking should be sold for money.
>>7837736
Enjoy this picture of three fine gentlemen who look like academics by comparison to you.
Some marxist. Every continental
>>7837750
Just because you have some very convincing straight lines pointing somewhere doesn't mean they tell the truth. Those correlations are barf-tier bullshit.
>>7837822
even they can be sociology majors
How come /pol/ never blames Marxism and vegetarians and Ghandi on P.B. Shelley? He's literally the cause of all that and Tolstoi. It's like he's pretty enough they're all like
>It's aight, bby, we know you didn't mean it, qt. Tell us about Byron again :3
>>7837830
yea, those correlations must be hard to see with all that wool over your eyes
>>7837815
Bernie is a socialist.
No credible authors would vote democrates
>>7837835
>tfw you will never fuck the virgin Mary Godwin on the grave of Mary Wollstonecraft, her mother
>ywn start her on the tracks to madness which will cause her to become Mary Shelley, the creator of Frankenstein, the novel about Dr Frankenstein who creates his own monster who surpasses him in morals
>ywn create your own intellectually superior to even you, self aware, crazypussy
>ywn sabotage her work in editing
>ywn be as based as Percy Bysshe Shelley
>>7837862
Bernie's a goddamn hippy long hair like the rest of the candidates. The only way HST wouldn't win against Trump on right wing policy is if Trump took off the wig. Read HST, you goddamn scum.
Joyce would go Bernie, if he ever voted, which he would probably abstain.
Hemingway: the fact none have been in the military would piss him off.
Wallace would vote Hillary.
Not sure about Pynchon, probably write in Rand Paul or Gary Johnson or something.
>>7837914
0/10 If you are going to write more than a sentence, put some effort at least.
>>7837932
>0/10 If you are going to write more than a sentence, put some effort at least.
HST literally shaved his head to called every other candidate long hairs. Actually read a book if you want to post here.
>Joyce
>the nationalist
Is voting for Bernie like recognising Columbus?Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honoured by posterity because he was the last to discover America.
>>7837973
Joyce the self-proclaimed socialist.
Your shitposting is so bad, I am actually wondering if it is some meta-level irony shitposting.
>>7837985
>he thinks Sanders is a "socialist" like the socialists of Irish Nationalism
uwotm8
>>7838047
>trying to come off smart about things he doesn't know.
Joyce did not proclaim Socialism until he was in Trieste you newfag. Jesus Christ is summer coming early?
>>7838047
>like the socialists of Irish Nationalism
>like the socialists of Irish Nationalism
>like the socialists of Irish Nationalism
>like the socialists of Irish Nationalism
uwotm8?
>>7838071
Joyce attends socialist meetings in Ireland before Trieste. He writes to his brother in Trieste about how his socialist leanings had in the past caused his brother to reject his views. It's not surprising that his socialist views caused problems since he hung out with the founders of Sinn Fein. Trieste is before Dubliners is published, and Arthur Griffith published his reviews which UCD wouldn't before any of his major works were written.
He tones down the socialism after Ulysses, but Ulysses is still a promotion of socialism, often to the point of autarky.
Wtf are you trying to argue? That his socialism doesn't span most of his career because of Finnegans Wake? Or that Bernie is equivalent to Sinn Fein, the political party behind the IRA?
>>7838174
He was just proving your autism.
>>7837914
HST, the man who spent his adult life making GOP's life as hard as he could and used Bush's reelection as a excuse for his suicide, was a right winger.
Aight
>>7838174
Sinn Féin is socdem, as far as I know. So, not that different from Bernie Sanders.
>>7838174
>look guis, I googled Mr. Joyce's biography points and came up with a finely brushed and articulated reply. I am, as you may be able to tell, a genius of argument. I do not need to understand the socialism, or even the perspectives I am arguing for or against, because, I can google.
>>7837914
>adamant supporter of McGovern
>somehow wouldn't support Sanders
Ok pal
Hegel would vote Trump.
Any philosopher with half a brain would vote Bernie, Trump, or not at all.
>>7839987
Get rid of Bernie and you are right
>>7840028
I include Bernie because both Bernie and Trump are anti-establishment. No philosopher worth his salt would vote in an establishment candidate with America in its current state.
>implying any philosopher worth his salt believes in democracy
>>7840120
This tbhqhwyfamorama
>>7839809
Probably. It's definitely not his interest in Joyce that's fuelling it.
>>7839843
Sinn Fein followed on from Connolly's ISRP, and the ISRP were more radical nationalist than most of the 2nd International. [Both are republican parties, though Marxist republicans- something Americans with their misnomered parties might have trouble defining.] I'm not sure what idiocy would lead one to believe that the US had produced a candidate not just more left wing than contemporary left wing politicians in the rest of the world, but also more radically socialist and nationalistic than than the majority of early communism. You'd have to think that Sanders is more radically communism in one country than Lenin, which is a disturbing proposition whether true or not if you want to support him, because that's fucking Stalin.
Joyce probably wouldn't vote for Sanders at all, not only because of Joyce's unwillingness to assign definition to his socialism, much like he pointedly doesn't mention Connolly despite their mutual disagreements with the rest of socialism on WWI, but also because where Sanders does align with the autarkists in principle, such as NAFTA and Chinese trade agreements, he aligns more neatly with the English imperialism of the 1830s which lead to tariffs on tea being cut and greater Irish dependence. Joyce would be offended to be aligned with that, smuggling advocate that he was.
>>7839912
The easiest book for you to read would be Joyce and the Question of History, by James Fairhill. It should be pretty easy to see the relevance of the second chapter, called Literary Politics, to this thread.
The third chapter will give you information on why Connolly's Marxism is notably absent from Joyce's views, despite Connolly being one of the leading Marxist scholars internationally at the time, being a signatory of the declaration of independence, and being impossible to attend socialist meetings without mention of him at the time in Dublin, and Joyce sharing his opinion on the Great War.
If you weren't convinced that history only relates to America, you might have heard of him or Griffith before, and without the aid of Google. Now go Google the rest of the signatories of the Irish Declaration of Independence and read their poetry.
>genius of argument
If I wanted to just argue him into the ground, I could have just pointed out that the only thing stronger than Joyce's socialism was his nationalism, and laughed at him for thinking that socialism rather than nationalism was the main thread of his politics. Joyce's swing to socialism is because he thought the Parnellites weren't nationalist enough.
>>7839967
>>7840028
pol plz go
>>7840374
Joyce and the Question of History, is terrible. Joyce was extremely ambivalent to politics in the whole. Especially once he left Ireland, and John Joyce's influence. Want to know what Joyces political positions were? Just look at the people around him. He claimed he was socialist, because others were socialist, and it was what seemed cool/artistic at the time. Joyce's only cared about politics so much as they related to works of art.
Due to the climate of Europe and Ireland at that time, everything was hyper-politicized, so its easy to read into it all. See Ellman's biography. Joyce was much more of a socialite, and a artist, than any kind of politically minded individual. Not demeaning him, but there is a reason he stated that he did not care who won either of the world wars, so long as it gave him more free time to write.
>>7840903
wtf, have you even looked at the book? It compares James and Stanislaus' own records of events. His family were Parnellites, who thought the influence of the church could of use in creating a republic, while James went Sinn Fein because he thought they would create a republic sooner and with less tyranny than the moderates would allow before change. He thought it served the purpose of a Free Ireland.
>seemed cool/artistic at the time
>blahblah peer pressure/hipster
He doesn't get on well with the socialists in Rome, when he's trying to be a "socialist artist" and "European artist". Due to the nascent statehood of Ireland the entirety of Dublin was highly politicized, and being a socialite in Ireland usually meant being deeply political. He's no Lady Wilde, but he's not Oscar Wilde either; he didn't just care about the politics for art's sake, and, for a lot of his life, he cared about the politics deeply and let it influence his work.
If you want to see the timeline of development of his political views, read the well cited book you're dissing, instead of trying to negotiate the political landscape of Irish independence without a map.
>there is a reason he stated that he did not care who won either of the world wars, so long as it gave him more free time to write.
Joyce and Connelly are often compared for saying that had Germany or Austria invaded Ireland, it would be better than the English empire, during and after WWI. By the time the second world war was coming around and Finnegans Wake was to be published, Joyce had abandoned politics, yes; but Finnegans Wake is not the entirety of his work, and the rest of his work is driven by a specific politicised viewpoint which doesn't always align with his friends views, or family's views.
>ambivalent to politics in the whole
He wasn't sure which kind of socialist he wanted to be, but he was sure he wanted to be one.
Your whole comprehension of the political climate seems to be "it was trendy". Joyce was edgy not trendy.
>>7837885
He's a left-leaning liberal. Far from having a revolutionary core to him.
PS: Hrushov was an idiot, he's dead, and so is the USSR.
Trump = Baudrillard
He's such a perfect example of a simulacrium- Trump has become elevated to hyperreality, and his rise is an inevitability of the postmodern trajectory.
>>7841557
>simulacrium
>hyperreality
>postmodern
bump for Trump
>>7837932
You really think DFW is worthy of being just Wallace?
