How much does the Oatmeal trigger you?
>>7794898
It's wrong, but I wouldn't say I'm triggered.
>>7794898
>not knowing that metaphysics, theology, and science are all branches of philosophy
Very.
I think it must be really sad to think you know what the hallmark of humanity is and not have any serious interest or capability in it. Pop science depresses me more than it triggers me.
Also,
>Metaphysics and theologyand science
>Not subsumed under Philosophy
But what if the theology answer was switched for science?
>>7794898
I have no words
I have transcended rage
Most people are very stupid and very uninterested in everything, including most people on this board.
it really doesn't matter what they think.
Life is so banal, will this jest ever end?
>>7794898
Scientism is a fucking scourge.
Hahaha, dude, science is amazing! Have you heard of this guy, Nikolai Tesla, or as we rationalists like to call him, "God"? Probably not, but he was amazingly smart, like a genius, and invented time machines and world-destroying lasers. Let's review his Wikipedia article together.
>>7794927
It's funny because Oatmeal also started the whole Tesla circlejerk thing
>>7794898
who cares about the opinions of the plebiscite?
my superiority is well-assured
>i just fucking love science
>science the shit out of it
>for science!
fucking millennials
oh yeah and its always someone for whom the most scientific thing they did was install the horse sex mod in skyrim and thinks 'adult cartoons' on adult swim are good
>>7794944
>hating on Venture Bros
O-ok.
>>7794924
This
I like this one better.
>>7794944
>oh yeah and its always someone for whom the most scientific thing they did was install the horse sex mod in skyrim and thinks 'adult cartoons' on adult swim are good
my gott anon you're killing me
>>7794898
No, it's just boring.
Scientists are doing great things for humanity and I respect them greatly. But the cult of personality than grows around them can be sickening.
>>7794934
Tesla was quite religious ironically. He devoted a lot of time to faith.
>>7794964
What's the problem if he was doing it ironically?
xD
>>7794937
>plebiscite
stop using this word, it doesn't mean what you think it does. and don't try to argue or i will kill youthat would be plebicide
Could you recommend me a critique of scientism?
Should I start with Wane Booth, since he established the terms "scientism" and "irrationalism"?
>>7794944
>hating on Skyrim horse sex mods
What's wrong with you?
>>7794972
Edward Feser has some good critique of it on his blog.
>>7794927
>Tesla could be harsh at times and openly expressed disgust for overweight people, such as when he fired a secretary because of her weight.[188] He was quick to criticize clothing; on several occasions, Tesla directed a subordinate to go home and change her dress.[175]
He seems cool to me
>>7794981
/fit/ & /fa/ approved
>>7794927
I genuinely consider Tesla to be a much greater, and more intelligent, genius than Thomas Edison, a thief and socioopath. I know this opinion will be unpopular, and is considered strange, but just read up on their respective ideas and creations. You'll see.
>>7794909
Not me, the Oatmeal
>>7794989
>I know this opinion will be unpopular, and is considered strange
Maybe 20 years ago. Nowadays it's common knowledge.
Although we must also acknoledge Tesla went completely batshit bananas at the end of his life, trying to build a "death ray" and so on.
>>7794997
he was being facetious
I don't understand how is it possible to be mad at science.
Do you also get mad at the fact that 2+2=4 because it denies subjective interpretations of the ego or some other philosophical bullshit?
Help me understand. How can you be mad at reality? Mad at facts? It makes no fucking sense.
Now if what you're really mad at was fedoras with no actual scientific background, that would be one thing.
>>7795004
>>7795004
nobody except maybe a hardcore creationist or something has a problem with science, it's about the attitude that science and science only has all the answers
>>7795007
>what if, like, nothing is real, maaan?
>WHOAH
>>7795010
Well I don't believe science has all the answers, far from it in fact.
But it seems to have a lot more answers than anything else.
>>7795017
answers about what?
>>7795012
>he can't into entry level gedankens
scientists can appreciate philosophy
>>7795017
>answers
I think you mean SPOOKS.
>>7795004
>implying facts are capable of denying anything
>implying you're not anthropomorphizing
>implying "2+2=4" can be a fact without a subjective interpretation of "2", "+", "=", and "4", "logical consequence", "truth", etc.
>implying this isn't philosophy
>implying the basis of all science and maths isn't founded on philosophical assumptions
>implying you've read nearly enough advanced stuff to see past that baby scientism phase of one's irrational fear and hatred of philosophy
It doesn't trigger me because "scientism" has become very prevalent, espiecially in le STEM work environments I work in, but not only. Every time I run into one of these people I'm reminded of monsieur Homais from Madame Bovary aka the petty middle-class pseudo-intellectual. These individuals have always existed, but the internet has made them more prevalent.
>>7795028
Is that Cantwell?
>>7794921
The infinite kek
>>7794972
Not really a critique per se, but CP Snow's "The Two Cultures" is worth reading on the subject.
>>7794898
I will be honest - the Columbus/Batolome thing triggered the shit out of me, because it was just substituting hero-worship of one guy for another while it claimed to be about 'seeing things more accurately' or some shit like that.
I thought his comic about loading the dishwasher was outstanding, but I really don't like almost everything else he has done.
>>7795004
>Implying Science is anything but a means of rendition.
>>7795300
>this
>outstanding
>>7795307
It accurately reflects my life in a humorous manner. What more can you want from a crudely drawn webcomic, anon?
>>7795283
Yis
>>7794898
Stuff like this is why STEM is getting overcrowded. Also, a lot of scientists are underfunded and are socially retarded, so this idea of glamorizing them or their lifestyle really angers me.
>watch pop sci colloquium thing on how neat black holes are, with infographics to dazzle redditors, etc.
>celebrity scientists who probably couldn't give you a fourth grade version of european history talking about the future of mankind
>espousing watered down, severely confused versions of universally repudiated and even dystopian political and social philosophies, like a 15 year old experimenting with "being a utilitarian"
>repeatedly demonstrating they don't know what philosophy is, while saying it is dead and science has replaced it
>repeatedly demonstrating their world is a tiny tiny little thing limited to doing math problems and watching american media
>be a philosophy sophomore
>University of Lisbon, not the greatest academia or anything but still arguably the best at national nevel
>tfw I have classmates that have actually shared that fucking picture
Is it just my country or is academia this gun goofed, anons?
>>7795004
Because no one's actually mad at science, just at pop Reddit-tier science that doesn't actually fully understand everything the concept includes.
>>7795004
logical truths and scientific truths are not equivalent
>fucking
Why do millenials use this word so wantonly?
It appeals to pseuds. They know their target market and they sell ignorance directly to them.
>>7794971
Kek
Rekt
>>7795017
And these "answers" are disproven all the time and new "answers" replace the old
>>7795609
it takes the place of the meaningful adjectives that they lack
>>7794914
Here you go
>>7795027
>gedankens
back to german entry class k
Philosophy is like being in a dark room and wondering if there is such a thing as a cat.
Metaphysics is like being in a dark room and wondering if there is such a thing as a dark room.
Theology is like being in a dark room and discussing the nature of cat.
Science is like being in a dark room and playing with stuff you find on the floor.
>>7794903
It's so wrong that it isn't even in the 'triggering' category. It's like if someone said "the sky is green" - you can't get mad about it because it's so self-evidently absurd.
Even the smuggest philosophy-hating scientists would find the OP pic dumb because it seems to fundamentally miss what the scientific method is. If it was switched to something like 'Science is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat on a systematic grid-by-grid basis' then it would move to triggering territory because it would at least have some semblance of understanding.
It's quirky simplistic shit people can share on their newsfeeds and feel clever about.
>>7795990
like pavlov's dog and schrodinger's cat jokes
>>7796006
It's impossible to tell if they're funny but when people see them they're compelled to share them?
but guys the robot chair man said that philosophy is done
>>7795609
I think it has to do with how dumbed down media is.
I often have trouble expressing myself in ways that aren't memeish.
I know it's incredibly cliche, but it reminds me of newspeak from 1984.
>>7795567
Fucking Tugas, man. Haha.
t. brasileiro
>>7796882
Thanks. Here's some gold.
>>7794898
guy with math degree here
axiomic systems basically don't exist
l8er fedoras
the oatmeal is basically everything that's wrong with millennials
It's more or less reddit in visual form
>>7794964
>The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.
What did he mean by this?
>>7795847
underrated
>>7796074
I'd honestly love to read some arguments defending this, but it's fairly obvious that the guy has no idea of what he's talking about.
science studies nature (physics)
philosophy studies culture (ideology)
both are necessary. they are the yin to each other's yang.
>>7797073
kys
>>7797073
"no"
I think he can be really funny when he's on the ball, and pretty grating when he's not. I think he's lost his touch in recent years, and also just makes less and is political more (or political-ish or about social issues). He seems to have a very 4chan attitude about things even though he seems like the kind of person that would hate this site out of reputation.
>>7796938
>It's more or less reddit in visual form
For once this isn't just an empty meme around here
>>7794898
embarrassing.
>>7795004
It is annoying how people take it as THE TRUTH NO ALTERNATIVES LOL.
Science is just as faith based as any other belief system.
It is all based on the belief that everything is out there and that what we observe is real.
We can't escape our minds to see what it is really like without the processing done by the mind.
We can never know and because of that being a Christian and taking everything in the Bible literally is just as sensible as believing what science tells us is correct.
>61 posters
>none of them realise that cat is white
>>7797263
>We can never know and because of that being a Christian and taking everything in the Bible literally is just as sensible as believing what science tells us is correct.
Except one is reproducible experiments with predictable results and the other is a fairy tale, literally the same thing.
2/10 made me reply.
>>7797305
Oatmeal pls go
I can be a hardcore fedora but your post was just cringeworthy
>>7796074
isn't philosophy dead, though? don't we now have the tools and the knowledge of our universe that fill in the voids that philosophy used to cover? what is the need for metaphysics once you realize you are an animal?
>>7797263
>We can't escape our minds to see what it is really like without the processing done by the mind.
>We can never know and because of that being a Christian and taking everything in the Bible literally is just as sensible as believing what science tells us is correct.
reading these thoughts make me afraid i am going to have a brain aneurysm.
>>7797570
>im a dumb positivist please rape my face
>>7797573
a thing is only known when its construction in your mind requires an aspect to be true in that there is no instance possible where it is not true as that would violate its existence
>>7797582
is it pleasuring for you to give freely your vacuous thoughts?
we are animals brought through evolution; any disagreement with this is just an ontological dilemma. enjoy your otherness.
>>7794898
It's a stupid, unfunny comic by a stupid, unfunny person.
>>7797599
how does that discredit philosophy in any way?
That isn't necessarily true, and assuming it is, it doesn't answer a myriad of the unanswered questions about the nature of the universe.
What really bothers me isn't the content of the comic, although that is annoying. It that he says "a fucking flashlight." Unnecessary use of fuck, fucking, fucker, etc. is worst aspect of the Reddit writing style.
>>7796961
i started typing "go away [whatever fat faggot writes the oatmeal]" but i dont actually even know your name
>>7797614
>anon bothered by vulgarity
it's like I don't even know you anymore
I don't know about anyone else but that kitty is adorable.
>>7797614
How to make scrambled eggs!
1. Take a FUCKING egg! It's some motherfucking food, that gets laid by a chicken - a different BULLSHITTING type of food!
2. Take your pan, whore! Put some motherfucking butter in that shit. Heat it up and swril it around.
3. Drop your motherbitching egg in that motherbitching pan, yo! It'll start heating THE FUCK UP straight away - mother of God.
4. Wait. Thats it. Time will do the rest - he might be an asshole sometimes but right now? He's your best friend.
5. Take those eggs and put them in a bowl or on a plate. Serve!
>>7797620
not bothered by vulgarity
bothered by lack of eloquence
this is "fucking" /lit/ afterall
>>7797231
Always thought of the oatmeal as like if you gave Ted talks to Jim Davis and he drew them on a dorm whiteboard.
>>7797599
I'm not sure a retard like you is capable of understanding what I said
>>7794944
you're a millennial too fuckboy
who's got the bill nye thing of "so "I think therefore I am", what if I stop thinking? do I stop existing?" I want to feel that sweet rage.
>>7797769
What the fuck. Did he seriously misinterpret descartes this hard?
>>7797784
and used that as an argument as to why philosophy as a whole is flawed
>"Philosophy, metaphysics, and religion are dead. Science has filled the void for us."
What he means to say is that the cult of postmodernism is the one true religion.
These "omg science is da best" jokesters are always the first people to adhere to postmodern value systems. Ask them the practical value of letting 10,000 backwards Muslims into your country, and they wouldn't be able to give you an answer beyond the culinary (aside from calling you a racist). The truth is that they're just following the latest shibboleth like bright-eyed lambs, praying that this is the end of the line.
It's only a matter of time until his faith is shattered and he's forced to think for himself.
science is fucking gay. it can suck my ass!
>>7797815
>Ask them the practical value of letting 10,000 backwards Muslims into your country
Not everyone who calls you a racist is a
>bright-eyed lamb
Btw, you're racist.
>>7797815
>postmodernism
>positivism
pick one
>>7797305
>kant who?
>>7794955
Cringey, but true...
>>7794950
Don't worry anon, we have each other
>>7795885
>"I was almost forced to recognise that my argument was bad but I see you made a spelling error lol too bad pal"
"I LOVE SCIENCE"
What they love is scientia: knowledge. More often than not they love beautiful ideas, philosophy, religion, and the sublimity of nature. They take delight in satisfying their curiosity.
Science has become hijacked by positivists and STEM, it has come to mean a ruthless empiricism based on "le ebidence" and the so called "scientific method". Knowledge to these people is restricted to the NATURAL and takes no account for an understanding of the supernatural.
It annoys you because you do not wish to live in a soulless, atheistic world. The soul of an artist aspires to that beyond the natural world, to religion, and great artists are monks that worship their art. You do not want to live in a world without art, and a world without religion is a world without art, since they spring from the same source within us.
"da stiegen die menschen ans licht" is the artists' struggle
>>7797956
This.
I wish that i had your eloquence.
>>7796949
He meant exactly what he said you brainless bastard.
>>7798144
it's a meme you dork
>>7795300
MODS
>>7795004
Great scientists are the last people to say they have the answers
Redditors believe the only way to find answers is thru science
Unis also create a culture that science solves all problems
>>7795208
What about Mr. Gradagrind from Dickens' Hard Times? An intellect with all the facts but no emotional connection and fails as a teacher to his children for not understanding the emotional truths he could teach
>>7795004
Fuck you Bill Nye-worshiping reddit babbies that can't understand what science even is.
>>7794898
Science assures us that it is getting nearer to the solution of life, what life is, ... ("the ultimate mystery"), and offers anonymously promulgated submicroscopic chemistry in eager substantiation. But no one has even begun to explain what happened at the dirt track in Langhorne, Pennsylvania about twenty-five years ago, when Jimmy Concannon's car threw a wheel, and in a crowd of eleven thousand it killed his mother.
>>7796938
>It's more or less reddit in visual form
kek
>>7798334
nice
>>7798252
I actually like these quotes. It's funny how second-rate hacks like Bill Nye and half of reddit will always denounce the uselessness of art/philosophy but people like Einstein always extolled the virtues of these things.
>>7796935
guy studying maths & philosophy here, just fyi you dont actually learn anything about philosophy of math (eg "do numbers actually exist or are they a human construct?") in a math course program
>>7798415
>second-rate hacks like Bill Nye and half of reddit will always denounce the uselessness of art/philosophy but people like Einstein always extolled the virtues of these things.
I think it started with good intentions and slowly got out of hand. It started as:
>"Hey, maybe religion shouldn't be taught at school as fact"
>claps
>"It stands to reason that something is only true if provable!"
>and the people keep clapping and their opinions keep circling the echo chamber and it all gets out of hand very quickly, until:
>Religion is cancer *tips fedora* I am so much more enlightened, open-minded and smarter than you"
>profuse clapping from and back patting from fellow redditors
>>7798446
yeah and soon enough it will get so out of hand we'll go full circle and religion will be back in
in fact, it might already be happening, look at how many stupid 'deus vult' christ-warriors this website is infested with
>>7798452
Yeah, I really do think some people have swung the pendulum too hard.
I think the liberals might have done the same and that worries me
>>7798460
we're in some exciting times guy
can't wait to see how it all pans out
>>7794924
What do you call someone who subscribes to scientism?
Scientis...t? Scientivist?
>>7795609
Because other means of emphasising statements have become -- saturated and no longer work to emphasise anything. Damn used to be pretty bad, now it's nothing. So you move on to fuck.
>>7799212
ain't no pizza on this board familiaris
>>7797616
Matt. My name is Matthew.
>>7794905
>science is a branch of philosophy
not anymore.
>>7799492
but more and more so.
>>7799501
and so on and so on
>>7797570
>he thinks it's all about finding answers
>>7799523
very discussion
But seriously, look at the direction physics has gone, both in terms of the questions being asked and of how to answer them. Same in mathematics, even moreso.
Looks like an average fedora tipper.
My issue with this sort of person is that they worship "laws" that are approximations of approximations of educated guesses from incomplete data whose phenomena differ from when they are and are not observed.
Oh, and they tend to be soulless and insufferable
>>7795004
Pretty sure no one here is "mad at science"at least, I hope, it's just pretty retarded that some people (especially millennials) think that philosophy and religion are bullshit and never contributed anything to humanity, only destroyed "reasoning" (a.k.a. they're lefties).
Also, this thread belongs on /his/MODS
>>7794944
great post
>>7794927
it's nikola, he was serb, not russian
i bet you think its all the same u fucking turkroach
get genocided :))
>>7797769
>>7797784
>>7797791
Here I was thinking he meant it as a joke and you were all just austists, but then>>7797798.
>mfw
>>7797570
Philosophy will always be ahead of science.
It is pretty ironic how these scientists will talk about religious people and how they don't like the truth and are afraid of it, while they themselves just brush off philosophy.
"Ha, philosophy is just a bunch of old guys talking about thoughts and shit. I don't need to consider their thoughts. Everything is real, just watch me stub my toe, r-right?"
>>7798701
i go with scientismist
>>7794905
>not knowing that metaphysics, philosophy, and science are all branches of theology
Fixed.
>>7800604
scientite.
>>7794898
why are we looking for a cat in a dark room though?
>150 replies
I think its safe to say it triggers /lit/ quite a bit
>>7794898
atheism is like being in a dark room and saying, "There is no cat," and remaining in the dark
Not nearly as bad as that devil Edison triggers me!
>>7794898
le ebin
>atheism is the best and if you're a theist you're a tard
maymay
>>7795567
vou adivinhar e dizer que esses merdas também não sobressaem ou parecem que sao um platao ou socrates renascido, pois nao?
faz o melhor que conseguires, se conseguires inovar de qualquer maneira ou feito, melhor; faz os teus egrégios avôs orgulhosos.
>>7795031
pseudo-intellectual idiot
>>7800822
What's with the Tesla circlejerk?
>>7800870
It's a well known meme.
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=gJ1Mz7kGVf0
>>7800869
Ignorant newborn of the modern era
>>7800909
>implying "2+2=4" can be a fact without a subjective interpretation of "2", "+", "=", and "4", "logical consequence", "truth", etc.
kek, you have to be absolutely retarded to believe this
>>7798164
But you can hardly call Gradgrind a pseudo right? If I remember correctly he still held true to ideals in both science and philosophy.
>>7800940
go on, try to perform an additive operation without depending on your understanding of signs
>>7797861
In that case, neither is the transporting of millions of jews into the Palistinian occupied territories racist. There is only one race after all, the fucking HUMAN race and so on...
>>7794898
>imply diddly iying that science isn't a branch of philosophy
ISHYGDDT
I mean it's 2016.
>>7794955
>tfw just spent three hours collecting data and studying dense research articles
DAE fucking love science? xD
>>7800940
>kek, you have to be absolutely retarded to believe this
not that guy, but why do you think that? he was basically describing foundational mathematics - which is pretty often considered a "proper" science, and one populated by people who I doubt you could call "absolutely retarded". The problem people have with science isn't due to being mad at facts, but rather being mad at people who think the study of facts and reality belongs exclusively to the realm of empirical study - which they do not.
le epic science
>>7797263
Science doesn't tell you what's correct, IT SHOWS YOU WHAT'S CORRECT. Religion tells you what's correct and says "we'll show you what is correct once you die".
>>7797703
If you had seen his other works, you'd know the word "fucking" is pretty mild for Matthew
This whole thread is just
>hurrr hurr muh juvenoia
>>7794955
>muh p-values
terminate yourself
>>7795027
>gedankens
>improper plural (gedanken is already plural)
>didn't just write "thoughts"
>why
>>7800535
I'm American, no one gives a shit about what you're saying
id say science is rather shaping a figure out of whatever you find reachable and calling it a black cat.
>reading things that make you upset
lmao like close your eyes nigga
so much stupid in this thread
do you all spend your whole lives staring at your own fucking navels or what
>>>/sci/7919346
>tfw philosophy is dead
Lots. Mainly due to the fact that I despise the humor and art. It hurts me to look at it.
>>7804505
>Philosophy isn't bad, but it has to be based off of your own experiences, not some degree from college.
>Why learn from books about philosophy when getting real experiences or learning from self-reflection and observation of the world around you is far more effective.
oh wow.
>>7794898
but the oatmeal is so funny though...
>lol rainbow zombie unicorns so random lol
