What does /lit/ think of the feud between Joyce and Jung based on the following sources?
Source #1:
https://www.brainpickings.org/2015/02/02/carl-jung-ulysses-james-joyce-review-letter/
Source#2:
From Wikipedia: “Throughout the 1930s he traveled frequently to Switzerland for eye surgeries and for treatments for his daughter Lucia, who, according to the Joyces, suffered from schizophrenia. Lucia was analysed by Carl Jung at the time, who after reading Ulysses, is said to have concluded that her father had schizophrenia. Jung said she and her father were two people heading to the bottom of a river, except that Joyce was diving and Lucia was sinking.”
Source#3:
Let us also remember the line from Finnegans Wake: "on 'alices, when they were yung and easily freudened"
Be Jung and read Joyce.
>>7747905
Did you know Joyce liked to get shit on by his lover? Was totally into buttholes, farts and poop
>>7748062
“My sweet little whorish Nora I did as you told me, you dirty little girl, and pulled myself off twice when I read your letter. I am delighted to see that you do like being fucked arseways. Yes, now I can remember that night when I fucked you for so long backwards. It was the dirtiest fucking I ever gave you, darling. My prick was stuck in you for hours, fucking in and out under your upturned rump. I felt your fat sweaty buttocks under my belly and saw your flushed face and mad eyes. At every fuck I gave you your shameless tongue came bursting out through your lips and if a gave you a bigger stronger fuck than usual, fat dirty farts came spluttering out of your backside. You had an arse full of farts that night, darling, and I fucked them out of you, big fat fellows, long windy ones, quick little merry cracks and a lot of tiny little naughty farties ending in a long gush from your hole. It is wonderful to fuck a farting woman when every fuck drives one out of her. I think I would know Nora’s fart anywhere. I think I could pick hers out in a roomful of farting women. It is a rather girlish noise not like the wet windy fart which I imagine fat wives have. It is sudden and dry and dirty like what a bold girl would let off in fun in a school dormitory at night. I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face so that I may know their smell also.
You say when I go back you will suck me off and you want me to lick your cunt, you little depraved blackguard. I hope you will surprise me some time when I am asleep dressed, steal over to me with a whore’s glow in your slumberous eyes, gently undo button after button in the fly of my trousers and gently take out your lover’s fat mickey, lap it up in your moist mouth and suck away at it till it gets fatter and stiffer and comes off in your mouth. Sometimes too I shall surprise you asleep, lift up your skirts and open your drawers gently, then lie down gently by you and begin to lick lazily round your bush. You will begin to stir uneasily then I will lick the lips of my darling’s cunt. You will begin to groan and grunt and sigh and fart with lust in your sleep. Then I will lick up faster and faster like a ravenous dog until your cunt is a mass of slime and your body wriggling wildly.
Goodnight, my little farting Nora, my dirty little fuckbird! There is one lovely word, darling, you have underlined to make me pull myself off better. Write me more about that and yourself, sweetly, dirtier, dirtier.”
― James Joyce, Selected Letters
>>7747905
>after reading Ulysses, is said to have concluded that her father had schizophrenia
This is just the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read. Maybe if he actually had sessions with him, but analyzing someone from a book that is purposely written the way Ulysses can't be valid.
Reminds me of the diagnoses given to Mozart after the letters to his cousin were revealed to the general public. You can't do this based merely on someone's writing.
>>7747905
lee ... leelatta ... leelatta rutillantium... terma sercemdett.... lee- oh fuck this, fucking miserables schizophrenics
Huh, I always figured that Ulysses and Fs Wake are the kind of densely allusory, symbolic, steeped-in-collective-unconscious obscuritantist bullshit that Jung would eat up
>>7748070
OMG, i have never laughed so hard in all
my life! LOL, the sign off is so dignified!
It's like, after all that filth: Signed -
Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address.
God, I am laughing like a drunk and stoned
Ricky Gervais on live TV!
I don't think Joyce actually set out to write the Chinese Water Torture of Literature...
Joyce himself is the great author for outsiders located in Ireland. He's a pan-Celticist but quite notably not a Gael, and that is always apparent. He's a great sculptor, but like all sculptors works from the outside-in -- Always.
Ulysses is a book about Biblical, Classical and Western history. It's about rejection; Bloom is looking to see what he can get out of wider Europe in a way, but extrapolating proves somewhat difficult. By becoming a cuckold, Bloom is participating somewhat in 'the Christian experience', although this is a profane notion for Christian readers. It's probably this which first allows him to look outward.
Thersites represents that aspect of literary isolation which is appropriate, the man who simply cannot be abided in polite company. Ulysses is probably Bloom's better half, a character which manages to represent all of his optimism about a European Federation. Yet Bloom is both Ulysses and Thersites (Plataea and Locus?).
