Who are some good Rightist, traditionalist, authoritarian, and or fascist poets?
I've heard Ezra Pound had a fashy streak.
This is not a thread for legitimizing or critiquing the politics of these movements, simply a discussion of the poetry in their spirit.
>>7625552
Futurists, perhaps.
Lovecraft wrote a poem once...
>>7625552
As far as authors (dunno about poets)
Heinlein was an unabashed Fascist, although by no means a racialist.
Junger is hard as fuck to read (that is, his motivations are hard to read), and may be very uncomfortable for most /pol/lacks as his traditionalism sees Fascism and totalitarianism as revolutionary (On the Marble Cliffs)
If you want some ultra conservative racialist traditionalist genre fic, pic related. One begins to believe Larry Niven wants to see the world burn
Baron Giulio Cesare Andrea Evola
Mishima -- although his politics are only due to his aesthetic imo.
>>7625552
You would do well to also include reactionary in your list of descriptors. But whatever descriptor... there are nonetheless a surprising number and quality of what can be called right wing poets.
Anyway, off the top of my head...
The Romantics, in general
Charles Baudelaire
Rudyard Kipling
The early modernists, in general
T.S. Eliot
Ezra Pound
>>7626444
>the romantics
>baudelaire
are you an idiot?
WB Yeats was anti-modernity (he thoroughly rejected the notion of linear time), and flirted with mysticism and fascism
>>7626457
Those are two different categories you mongrel
First, the romantics in general
Then (in a different time), baudelaire
>>7626457
>are you an idiot?
No need for that.
Multiple major Romantic figures were, or certainly became, confirmed Tories (eg. Wordsworth and Coleridge). The whole Romantic movement is founded in reactionary politics, especially against the Industrial Revolution and hearkening back to an idealised medieval tradition.
Baudelaire on the other hand was a supporter of conservative aristocratic politics.
>>7626486
dude, still, they (nor romantics neither Baudelaire) were no near to be anything like rightist traditionalist, authoritarian, and or fascist
>>7625552
>This is not a thread for legitimizing or critiquing the politics of these movements, simply a discussion of the poetry in their spirit.
You don't have to preface threads like these anymore. The Marxists have gone, we're reactionaries now.
>>7625552
>Futurists
>Modernists
>Greeks
>Romans
>Mishima
>Ezra Pound
Come to think of it - very few names in literature and philosophy belives in "modern democracy and multiculturalism"
>>7626502
>modern democracy and multiculturalism
>leftist
lel top meme
>>7625594
I fall over laughing every time I get to the word 'figure' because you can already feel what is coming.
>>7626491
Romanticism was a key element of the same counter-Enlightenment that also gave us Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France. Like Hegel, many Romantics were originally taken with the revolution but eventually did a 180 and became staunch conservatives. Even at their most radical, their individualism places them closer to modern conservatives than modern progressives.
>>7626512
>>7626551
Well yes, but it's imho still a mistake consider them among what OP mentioned. But it probably goes more with that how you want to define it, I was more thinking about christian conservatives (like Bernanos for example).
>>7625552
Lorca
Anyone who uses the left/right dichotomy should be shot.
>>7626970
This, many of these authors would not have been seen as far right in their own time
Kleist was a nationalist in his time, friends with the Romantic political economist Adam Mueller
>>7626563
The Romantics and Decadents gave birth to the climate from which these elements emerged in the twentieth century. Stefan George was another such poet, along with Baudelaire, with aristocratic elements in his writings.
>>7626970
revolutionary contribution to the thread, comrade
>>7627064
>The Romantics and Decadents gave birth to the climate from which these elements emerged in the twentieth century.
Yes, but in the time of romantics it wasn't conservative at all; in the begining, and in what we today see as romanticism, they were rather radical and progressive.
If you're talking about their followers, they could be.
aristocratic writing != conservative ideas
>>7627064
Carl Schmitt considered Adam Mueller a total fraud - a typical liberal who constantly deferred decision.
>>7627114
>Did OP say anything about conservatism?
This may be the reason why we can't agree. For me, words like rightist, traditionalist are somewhat synonymous to conservative views (as it goes for, especially later, Heidegger).
>>7626793
>Lorca
like all spanish language poets, a literal gommunist and raging faggot
>>7626557
>le rational ancap face.
>>7626502
wonder why they didn't have any opinion on early 21st century political trends. weird. but i know for sure they would have been all for austrian free market economics, thats a fact.
>>7625552
>Not being versed on the science of the sodomite apelings and the divine electron
>>7627303
I've seen this before. Isn't it completely bonkers, even for lunatics standards?
Goethe was certainly authoritarian in that he didn't much think democracy was a good idea, but he was also opposed to Nationalism, which back then was I suppose actually more associated with the French Revolution and similar movements. On the whole I'd say he was fairly conservative/traditional.
Why would you want to read that? Do you have autism?
>>7625606
holy shit I forgot about this book. this has the post-apocalyptic mailman and the band of black cannibal nationalists that get gassed at the end right?
>>7627347
Everyone who reads for pleasure is autistic.
>>7625552
>>7627622
Was that supposed to be funny?
Mihai Eminescu
Auguste Villiers de l'Isle-Adam
Verner von Heidenstam
Ion Creangă
Duiliu Zamfirescu
Rudyard Kipling
Saki
Knut Hamsun
Luigi Pirandello
Giuseppe Ungaretti
Saunders Lewis
Cyriel Verschaeve
Josef Weinhaber
Hanns Heinz Ewers
Gunnar Gunnarsson
Louis-Ferdinand Céline
Paul Morand
Jacques Chardonne
Marcel Jouhandeau
Jacques Laurent
Yukio Mishima
Jean Raspail
Michel Déon
>>7627762
Based
>>7628148
Bump
>>7625606
Heinlein was an anarchist though?
Guenon
>>7627762
>Jean Raspail
Camp of Saints is a must read, mirrors what's happening today to a disturbing degree
>>7629279
Yeah
>>7629600
Thanks for the >(You)
Mishima
>>7628955
>Heinlein
his philosophy could be described succinctly as ayn rand+ weed.
>>7630524
How so?
>>7626479
Why does there seem to be such a weird overlap between Fascism and mysticism/occultism?
>>7627285
>like all spanish language poets, a literal gommunist and raging faggot
le american education xD
>>7631056
Rejecting values of the enligthenment, especially the concepts of Reason, progress and secularism. The belief there is something greater and more base than the material world
>>7631056
Fascism considered the rational tradition to be an art of equivocation.
So knowledge that is derived from an at least partly non-rational method is not necessarily disagreeable or unexcellent by the degree it is non-rational.
Fascism does not put rationality on a pedestal
>Turning and turning in the widening gyre,
>The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
>Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
>Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
>The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
>The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
>The best lack all conviction, while the worst
>Are full of passionate intensity.
Yeats - The Second Coming
>>7631131
Kek, Yeats seems pretty close to being one of the worst, by his own standards. I mean, that poem doesn't seem exactly devoid of passionate intensity when describing all that apocalyptic, violent shit.
>>7631197
He was writing about World War 1 you idiot
>>7625606
>a fascist, but a not a racialist
u wot m8
>>7631377
Mussolini was the purest fascist and he thought Hitler's racism was retarded.
>>7626544
>When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Iove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.
>>7631394
He wasn't into the master race theory proposed by Hitler, nor did he recognize the reasons behind Hitler's focus on international Jewry, but all fascism is inherently racialist in its desire to preserve the Nation (the people with shared history and blood) in the Territory protected by the State.
>>7631431
No, not necessarily. The ultimate unifier in Mussulinis words was the state (although Musulini was also a Nationalist for sure). Evola criticised Nationalism as a modernist concept and that fascism should be purely focused on the state and not nations, in the same vein as the multiethnic Roman Empire
>>7631131
Literally the worst meme-poem ever.
>>7631736
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism_and_racism
Check nonwhite section
>>7631775
Bruh, if you actually read my post you would realise I am not denying the nationalist and racist practices of Mussolini's regime. I am merely stating the ideological foundations of classical fascism is based on glorifying the state (this has nothing to do inherantly with the Nation or Race). Evola who criticised Mussolini from a fascist position was in principle opposed to Fascism based on the Nation concept
>>7631056
To begin with, the theory that civilization moves in recurring cycles is one way out for people who hate the concept of human equality. If it is true that “all this,” or something like it, “has happened before,” then science and the modern world are debunked at one stroke and progress becomes for ever impossible...] Secondly, the very concept of occultism carries with it the idea that knowledge must be a secret thing, limited to a small circle of initiates. But the same idea is integral to Fascism. Those who dread the prospect of universal suffrage, popular education, freedom of thought, emancipation of women, will start off with a predilection towards secret cults. There is another link between Fascism and magic in the profound hostility of both to the Christian ethical code.
>>7631842
> the theory that civilization moves in recurring cycles
Rather it is the concept that time is cyclical, the notion of linear time in contrast presupposes that we as humans become superior and more enlightened as time progresses
>>7631791
>I am merely stating the ideological foundations of classical fascism is based on glorifying the state (this has nothing to do inherantly with the Nation or Race).
And yes, Fascism is tied up with the glorification of the state out of recognition that only the state can preserve the nation. This is a core tenet of fascism. It's not state worship but recognition that the state is the sacred vessel harboring the nation. Without a nation, a state would not be needed, without a state, the nation would suffer dilution, change, or external defeat.
>>7632952
Most if not all states in Europe today are Nation-states, so let's not pretend that elevation of the state as vessel of the nation is soley the purview of Fascism.
My point is, ultimately it is the state that is significant, other collective identities such as nationalism, economic ideology, ethnitity, or religion are all secondary characteristics (and may be abscent in themselves), as such when the state requires it for self-preservation it is willing to sacrifice these characteristics.
Sir Oswald Mosley
Julius Evola
Léon Degrelle
Cornelius Codreanu
Giovanni Gentile
Oswald Spengler
Mussolini
Adolf Hitler
Did I miss anyone?
>>7627357
Yes
>>7625552
Not a Poet, but Giovanni Papini is a good traditionalist read.
I need your help to translate this message. I've found it in the Nietzsche's tomb
>>7633183
>Most if not all states in Europe today are Nation-states
No nation-state would sane accept the burden of biologically and culturally alien invaders as readily as we have seen in Western Europe.
>so let's not pretend that elevation of the state as vessel of the nation is soley the purview of Fascism.
It is though. Communism was the elevation of the state as the vessel of the proletariat, liberalism is the elevation of the state as the vessel of capital, productivity, and financialization.
Liberal modernity is the doctrine of the permeability of borders, cosmopolitanism, universalism, equality, etc. This is why the modern German bureaucrat thinks nothing of dumping foreign hostility into his nation, whereas such an act would be the quintessence of insanity in National Socialist Germany.
>it is the state that is significant
Agreed but my friend I've read a lot of 1920s italian protofascist and fascist literature and they all spoke against exactly what you're proposing, state worship for the state's sake.
If you're talking in terms of realpolitik, would fascist leaders accept sacrifices in order to preserve the state, sure. But in terms of the philosophy, the spirit, and ethos of fascism, no.
>>7627285
Lorca actually was a close friend of Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, the founder of the Falange.
Michel Houellebecq
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