Normally I read some 30-50 pages into a book (going that far just to give it a fair shake) then lose interest forever, but I read this book cover-to-cover in one sitting. The message resonated with my own views of the world yet still had me engaged, characters were tolerable, the plot worked, and it gave a fairly accurate depiction of how military works despite the sci-fi setting. Can you, /lit/, recommend some books like it?
>>7477446
>The message resonated with my own views of the world
So you're a fascist then?
>>7477452
Maybe he is what's it to you?
>>7477459
While fascism isn't necessarily bad, it has historically sucked ass.
>>7477459
There's a containment board for you people.
>>7477459
Who wants to know?
>>7477452
Oh god. Thanks for the derail, bro.
And for the record, no, I am not a fascist.
>>7477470
Depends who's asking.
David Drake's Hammers Slammers is future tank series based on his experiences in Nam.
David Weber wrote the Honor Harrington books but he's a military buff who didn't serve.
>>7477487
thanks
>>7477446
For the other side of the coin check out 'Forever War' by Haldeman.
>>7477452
It's anti-fascist and actually a thought experiment about fixing the problems with the shitpile that is democracy.
>book depicts a republic where only enlistees in the military can vote or run for office
>"only people who care about the country enough to voluntarily risk their lives for it can make decisions"
>everyone else is a civilian and has every right except voting
>makes perfect fucking sense
>>7477748
>militarist ruling class
>not fascist
ok
>>7477773
>not knowing what fascism is
>>7477781
Aggressive militarism lies at the very core of fascism though. The Spartans were basically proto-fascists.
>>7477748
>fixing the problems with the shitpile that is democracy.
Like what?
>>7477842
>>7477842
I'll start:
The votes of idiots are equal to geniuses
>>7477748
The word your looking for is "Satire".
>>7477748
Found the /pol/ack.
>>7477854
It's a serious question.
What kind of "problems" could democracy really have in order for you to justify fascism? They have to be some serious problems in order for you to rationalize suspending it.
>>7477863
Not everything that doesn't subscribe to your sensibilities is the boogeyman.
>>7477748
>only military thugs, meatheads and illiterates get to vote
What could possibly go wrong?
>>7477859
>The votes of idiots are equal to geniuses
And why shouldn't they be? What makes a genius have "better" political opinions than the rest of us?
>>7477876
"Chelsea Manning, illiterate military thug." - /lit/
>>7477877
>stupid people are just as good as running a country as smart people
literally pleb in every sense of the word
>>7477885
That's not what I asked you fucking fag.
What makes Einstein have better political opinions than Cletus? Answer the fucking question you asshat, or fuck off back to /pol/.
>>7477884
>cherrypicking
Most people in the military are idiots. This is fact.
>>7477885
>Man if I treat this problem as a simple black and white situation it sure is easy to solve
>>>/USA/
>>7477876
>military thugs
Military men are more civilized on average than civilians.
>meatheads
Being physically fit doesn't mean you're stupid. To the contrary; a the mind functions better in a physically fit body.
>illiterates
ST literally make it hard for stupid people to join the army.
>>7477891
Most people in general are idiots. Military people are at least disciplined and mature.
>>7477862
Nope. The book is sincere. That was the Hollywood version. Not surprising.
>>7477876
Anyone can enlist. If you fail the physical they make you scrub toilets on Pluto or something non-combat. Heinlein gives his rationale in the book.
>>7477877
The point in the book is that you have to have skin in the game to play the game. Politicians who are military/veterans will have a greater respect and understanding for war.
>>7477885
What if you're a genius in one specific area but are totally oblivious when it comes to politics. Do you still get to vote? What if you're uneducated but has political theory and history as a hobby, do you still not get to vote?
Your system is flawed, nigga.
>>7477899
I'm starting to think you've never met anyone in the military
>>7477903
>The point in the book is that you have to have skin in the game to play the game. Politicians who are military/veterans will have a greater respect and understanding for war.
I understand the point in the book, but real life democracy isn't a "shitpile with a bunch of problems", just because some pseudo-Fascist writer has opinions.
>>7477909
I have. I'm starting to think you're mistaking general statements for absolutes.
>>7477899
The military is literally for people who are too dumb to want to educate themselves further. This should tell you everything, really.
>>7477911
>Heinlein
>pseudo-Fascist
And people wonder why Japmoot made /his/
>>7477919
The military has programs for helping veterans pay for college. Additionally, officers are required to have college credits.
>>7477907
Just base it on IQ or some kind of poll test
>>7477934
Yep that's exactly right. Everyone who disagrees with you is just dumber than you.
>>7477928
>voter apathy is a thing
>therefore we should just suspend the system altogether!
That pic is retarded, and Judge Dredd is retarded, coincidentally so are you.
>>7477911
It's pretty dysfunctional, m8.
>>7477446
>all these weaklings triggered about having to join the military to vote
>most of them don't even vote anyway
>there's not even a draft in the book
>so they're even safer under heinlein's system than the current mandatory service or draft system
kek
>>7477939
Way to miss the point Anon.
>>7477928
>taking your political views from a fucking comic book
>>7477899
Yeah, I'd have to argue with you on maturity.
>>7477748
>where only enlistees in the military can vote or run for office
That's wrong though. In both the book and the movie you had to be a citizen to vote. Military service guaranteed citizenship, but there were other ways to acquire it.
>>7477962
Kids, military or otherwise, are still kids. And not everyone in the military is the same.
>>7477976
>Thinking anybody in this thread has actually read the book
They're just here to prove their more left than the poster above them
>>7477446
Anyway, Opie, I'd say Ender's Game should be on your list. It's slightly younger in audience, but not terribly so, and it has similar themes minus the political backbone.
If you are into troopers for its views, I'd say to keep away from heinlein's Stranger In A Strange Land. It has great things to say about art and beauty along the way but it's kind of a hippie train wreck once it finally gets rolling.
You might like The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress though. More Heinlein. Libertarian space australians, the novel.
About your habit in general, you might just be reading dry books, man. If you've been following the memebook catalogue, you certainly have. Let yourself get sucked into the mixed drinks of reading before tackling the heavy red wine classics maybe.
>>7477976
What other ways were there to acquire it?
If you mean the shitty jobs they had willing flunkies do for their pensions, that was still military nigga.
>>7478024
Anything that is considered a civil service, really. Teaching was one, along with being a test subject. That's not military. There are a lot of civil service jobs that are not military.
>>7478012
Pretty much any job that involves working for the government (public sector), including becoming a doctor or teacher.
