>he isn't dedicating himself completely to his writing
How do casuals justify this?
There are literally people on /lit/ right now who want to write good books despite choosing to work a full-time job.
It boggles my mind, truly. Do their exhausted brains prevent them from seeing the contradiction?
>the only way to write is to board yourself up in your house and abstain from the world around you
>better not let that pesky inspiration in, that would ruin my flawless wankfest of a novel
>>7445819
because only those who have lived a life worth living can possibly write anything worth reading. Quit trying to get validation from the internet for being a NEET
>>7446812
this, fucking autists
People ITT seem to agree that you need life experience instead of isolation.
I see a problem, however.
>he wasn't raised to be a trilingual genius and studying philosophical texts at age 12
Okay, let's all come clean now. I wasn't exactly reading The Waves at age 12. In fact, I'm pretty sure I was playing Diablo 2 and downloading Bible Blackbefore reading some Lovecraft. So how do you unfuck your mind after spending that much time binging on digital soma? How do you make up for lost time? For one thing, you would need to spend a significant amount of time disconnected from the interactive idiot box.
Unfortunately, this plan is doomed when combined with any real job. Suddenly the NEET life seems a lot more appealing.
>>7446812
>relying on inspiration
Good luck going weeks and eventually months at a time without any. After your first year of serious writing, I'm sure you'll realize you have to make your own rather than wait for it.
>>7445819
>Contradiction
I don't think that word means what you think it means. I wash dishes for a living. It's not mentally strenuous work. It gives me a lot of time to reflect on writing.
>>7446937
as a NEET you spend significantly more time doing nothing of value rather then working on your magnum opus
>>7447091
That's your only job? They don't have you do anything else?Sounds perfect for me. I greatly enjoy washing dishes tbqh.
I wish I were ballsy enough to be a welfarequeen. It's too precarious a situation. Jealous of all the NEET losers out there. It's sad that hardly any of them actually achieve anything despite all the free time.
>>7446969
How do you find inspiration instead of waiting for it? Doesn't that involve living life?
>>7447289
"living life" is such a dumb cliche. You are living life even if it's different from whatever ideal you have of it.
>>7446825
>because only those who have lived a life worth living can possibly write anything worth reading.
Not true. I'll write a novel about a NEET trying to escape NEETdom.
Takimoto wrote a novel about a hikikomori, so can I.
plenty of great writers have also held jobs
Because music is the highest art, even Schopenhauer and Wilde knew this.
>>7447337
as soon as neuroscience advances enough, music will be as deconstructed as any other medium
>>7445819
I'm 327.000 words into a fantasy series. I live in a tent and don't work. Get on my level
>>7445819
because I'm too much of a pussy to fully commit myself to writing. I like the stability of a job but my ideals tell me that if I just half ass my writing, I'll never get anywhere, and I have to fully commit to it if I want to get good.
I wish I could fully commit to writing, OP.
>>7447450
go away sam harris
>>7446812
>>7447179
This is the truth. I've spent more time and effort in trying to figure out how to unfuck my life after I royally fucked it to take time off to "write".
If you are going to go the route of unemployment to write your masterpiece, it had better be because you just retired. Otherwise, it's not fucking worth it.
>>7447637
that's pretty hard core, senpai
>>7445819
I write in fifteen minute bursts every one hour at work.
The boredom keeps the engines of industry revving, etc.
>>7447450
maybe you missed the memo, but the robots can classify songs based on genre/lyrics with the same 80% accuracy humans can.
>>7447299
That didn't really answer my question. How does one find inspiration?
>>7445819
I've worked a really exhausting job for eight years straight. About to quit and tough it out doing my writing and painting full time. I just don't have enough hours in the day and I don't want to turn into a mess like Kafka.
>>7448341
The inspiration comes from anything as long as you're looking for it.
i teach english in an asian country
15-25 hrs/wk, $20/hr, free accommodation in a beachfront house, work 5:30-7:30/9pm M-F and 8:30a-12:30p S/Su
casual gf is dissident journalist w/no gag reflex
split my afternoons and late nights writing hack journalism for a travel mag to hone my skills and compiling white guiltrage-infected essays from 5 years of wanton drug abuse and strange adventures in SE asia
currently outlining a noir novel set mainly in the seedy pleasure district of Saigon w/ main intention being the indictment of the corruption and violence inherent in the great neocolonial lie of our times i.e. 'development' (which is essentially the Great Corporate Moloch devouring its human children)
i'm sure nothing will get published because everything i write is so ham-fisted i might as well be typing with bacon wrapped around my fingers but the process of transmuting my shitty lead brain into the low-karat gold of words on the page is intensely gratifying
long story short: if you're trying to write but also need money, you could do a lot worse than teaching english in asia. Best bets are: Japan or Korea for the cash, China for language learning so you can be an overseer in the vast rice paddies/factory complexes of the American Midwest following the great yellow invasion of 2027, or the country of my heart, Vietnam- for the food, the low cost and high standard of living, the beautiful scenery both geographic and human, and the freedom it affords me to travel
anyway. /lit/, if you were like me and got a liberal arts degree and want to be a writer and find yourself aimless in your home country,
get yourself a new life! get an online TEFL for a hundred bucks or photoshop a CELTA, move to the country of your choice, and start making positive progress towards your goal of being a writer. you don't need to have a rich-ass family's support. you can do it on your own, and have fun doing it.
>>7447450
>I know what bits of the brain light up when making music
>implying that tells me absolutely anything about the music itself
>>7448405
With computational models that are becoming more efficient and more applicable in neuroscience, you could theoretically find the most harmonically pleasing melodies.
Why not write a book about a NEET?
A psychological thriller about what lies outside his apartment. One day his food deliveries stop. Eventually the internet stops updating, no new posts on 4chan, and eventually stops working. His phone disconnects. His power shuts off. But he can not muster the courage to unlock the deadbolt and see what happened to society.
A book like that wouldn't need anyone living a life outside of a small room. In fact, it would be best to live the traumatic experience first before writing it as to enhance the realism of the text.
Thomas Mann worked full time and wrote one page a day.
That's how I justify it working full time.
>>7448381
>casual gf is dissident journalist w/no gag reflex
Nice copypasta
>>7448413
Somebody beat ya to it m8
http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Psychosis
>>7448381
What country? How's you get the job?
>>7448580
ok i was exaggerating, she's not a full-on dissident journalist bc VN doesn't have free speech but she does write for a major newspaper in such a manner as to incur death/rape threats (exposes of police violence and weird misconduct by powerful businessmen etc)
and she does have a little bit of a gag reflex but you have to really put in work to trigger it
her name is Thu and she is 24, the city is Quang Ngai (home of the My Lai massacre)
>>7448643
i moved to Vietnam after graduating with $500 and zero experience and began applying to jobs in person and on the internet.
i got several interviews and follow-up 'demo lessons' pretty quickly and within a week i had two part-time jobs.
Dave's ESL Cafe is a good website for resources- check the international help wanted section. Look on Craigslist for your chosen destination and see if anyone is hiring, or search Facebook for "______ (name of city) Teachers" or similar.
Japan and Korea you have to have a work contract already set up before you can get a visa, so you just do a skype interview n shit
>>7448699
I was in Vietnam this summer. Goddamn beautiful. Just Hanoi though, didn't care for the commercialism of Saigon.
Having trouble deciding whether to teach in Thailand or Vietnam, both majestic AF
>>7448699
What did you major in?
>>7448729
Also graduating with my English degree in the spring.
I just love the pace of life in those places. Where I'm from you're a loser if you sit in a cafe from 11-3 smoking and drinking coffee.
In Vietnam the entire country just stops, maybe they never worked in the first place, and just breathes it in. It's the only way live as far as I'm concerned.
What do you think would be the benefits of visa-ing in SE Asia over say, Europe/Eastern Europe? I havent seen Eu at all
>>7448733
history. don't regret it one bit
Saigon is not a very fun place to travel but a great place to work. it grows on you, until all of a sudden you have a wife and half-vietnamese baby and have been living there for 6 years. it's happened to almost all my friends.
Thailand is obviously beautiful but the pay is much lower- you'll be looking at $15 maximum (unless you teach at an international school, which generally requires experience) whereas in Saigon the average wage is about $18, going up to $25, and in Hanoi it can be $30 or more/hr
Thailand, tho. I'd love to live in Chiang Mai. Vietnam is definitely the better place for teaching all things considered
EU/Eastern Europe would be cool, from what I understand it's a little bit harder to find a job because most of the population knows how to speak english already.
I'd be interested to see how the ongoing refugee crisis effects this, however: because now there a lot of (generally not-so-poor, often quite affluent) Syrians/Iraqis/Pakistanis who have come to settle in (Amsterdam or whereverthefuck) so presumably there will be a higher demand for teachers, Might be a cool way to travel and save a few bucks.
>>7448381
>>7448699
>>7448930
thanks for sharing your experiences anon. sounds like some inspirational shit. no sarcasm- I'll be graduating from a conjoint bachelor of laws/arts in a few years and have no interest in going into the legal field. the highlight of my experience with the law faculty so far has been partying and generally getting fucked up with classmates. i'm a little worried of settling into a subpar minimum wage job after i graduate and never leaving this city. i'm white as fuck with a white as fuck name, from a small, white as fuck country. Desirable attributes for an english teacher in asia I assume.
>>7448316
Maybe if you're talentless, sure.
>>7449025
how many people who set out to make a living off their original writing, actually achieve that? the proportion is ridiculously small. no need to be so caustic. not even that anon btw.
>>7448419
Unfortunately for you I am a high-functioning autist who has memorized the biographical summaries of hundreds of writers, including Mann. Thomas Mann only worked full-time for a year at an insurance company, he then quit and lived with his elder brother (also a writer) while submitting to magazines and writing his novel.
>>7449026
Again, if you're talented there is no reason to worry. It's the fault of those who quit their jobs without knowing they can achieve their ambitions for their subsequent failure. William Styron is the image for the OP because he got himself sacked so that he could (with his daddy's financial support) spend three years writing his debut Lay Down in Darkness. If you want to be a beta cvck and exhaust your energy and attention for the sake of someone else that's literally your decision.
>>7449033
>If you want to be a beta cvck
be honest, you're from /tv/ aren't you?
>>7449034
Nope I am probably the most frequent poster on /lit/ tbqh m9
>>7449035
So what do you do for work? Do you work?
>>7449041
I am a data cvck
>>7447197
I clean the kitchen at the end of the day, and whenever a keg gets emptied I carry one up from the freezer. Other than that, no. It's a high volume kitchen at a golf resort. I never run out of dishes.
