Now that the age of the meme has come to an end will the internet only be used for porn and wikis?
I hope there will be some dankass underground forums in the future where only real fucking smart people hang around and it has a server where you can download every fucking ebook there is and have actually great discussion
>>7438862
I'm glad this pepe thing died down desu
Now I can go back to my normal frogposting habit without facing accusations of being a memelord
r9k is too dependent on pepe and wojak now. it's like an institution. they need to get the real meme scientists together again to make something new.
>>7438879
I really want this.
>>7438907
Mr. Spicy is available for all your me-me needs. :^)
>>7438879
>tfw I won't be allowed in
I-I promise I'll just lurk and won't tell anyone else about it ;_;
>>7438907
Why not just draw reaction images yourself, thus destroying the market and establishment? If you remain dependent on the establishment, then it will abuse you.
>>7438928
not everyone is capable of subsidiary meming
>>7438936
that's just what you meme-capitalists say. I say the means of production come from the people. Down with these memes which divide us and up with personal reaction images that bring greater diversification and more ideas!
>>7438947
OC will rise in this era my family
>>7438862
What ended the memeage?
>>7438955
Reddit and 8gag
>>7438879
>he didn't get his invitation
"Roll him out boys"
The memes of men will never die.
>>7439868
I was there when the memes of men failed
>end
The ages of memes has only just begun. It' hasn't even reached it's final form
>>7438862
>Now that the age of the meme has come to an end
no, the real memeing has just begun.
>>7439978
I just found out what he said about barring Muslims from entering the US. I'm fucking scared if this guy gets into power.
>>7440027
you sound like some kind of cúck
no offense.
Memes are eternal, like the stars they descend from.
>>7440033
OK, but he seems more and more fascist everyday.
>>7440052
what's wrong with fascism?
>>7440064
I thought the Trump pic was just memeing since he's a living meme. I'm just listening to some of his statements from today and it's fucking scary though. I'll just ignore the /pol/eb.
>>7440027
the human race is gonna get meme'd
>>7440069
He's not bad. You're just a fag. Trump 2016.
>>7440101
his face looks like a carpet
>>7438928
I'm with you, man
>>7440117
>Still not redpilled
do you even know what year we are in?(it's 2015!) how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?
>literally mfw haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co
>>7440117
that's it goyim, keep dismissing anything that goes against our ideolog- I mean your well developed worldview that you totally came up with independently.
>>7440117
Why are you Tumblrinas here? Don't you have some unimportant event to blow out of proportion?
![Milhouse[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/oHk24yG.png "Milhouse[1].png")
>>7438907
They tried, but as any meme historian can tell you there's a certain amount of meme making that meme scientists don't currently have the technology to control. There has to be something about the meme that resonates with others beyond simply the desire for it to be a meme.
>>7440101
>>818562
>>7440153
>tfw C.uckio didn't go anywhere
>>7440135
Nice. I made this today too. OC will take over 4chan again.
Now I am become banal
>>7440159
>>/Jerusalem/
Fuck off, JIDF
>>7440170
Jerusalem? I'm in Texas and Muslim.
>>7440179
So? I'm in Serbia and Christian. ; ))))
>>7440100
>it must be nice to dismiss everything you don't understand as trolling or /pol/
Banning an entire religious group is bad for society and sets a dangerous precedent on what kind of power you're willing to let the state influence over the lives of citizens. Read any democratic theorist.
You do not even have to be politically savvy to make this connection, and it shouldn't be unexpected that people are dismissive of this political position.
>>7440192
>democratic
dems are cvcks lol
>>7440192
letting people into your country after alienating and radicalizing them without assimilating them into your society so they form their own separate groups is worse than outright banning them you retard.
>>7440192
Democracy is a suicide pact with stupidity and the fact that people like you are allowed to wander free and type your retarded naive worldview on the internet is hard evidence of this
>>7440198
>Dismissing everything you don't like as /pol/ because your'e scared to engage intellectually
It's a good thing that I don't care what kvx like you think, or I'd be upset
>>7440228
Experts on terrorism strongly disagree with Trump's idiotic proposal but you want it because you support democracy when it will install your proto-fascist faggot
>>7440236
>Caring what experts think instead of the nice, assertive rich man who says what everyone is thinking anyway
I notice an appeal to authority and possible an embedded ad hominem. Come over to /pol/ and we'll redpill you and teach you how to argue with logic and reaason.
>>7440204
Democratic theorist as in a theorist of democracy, not as in the United States Democratic party.
>>7440213
That's really naive. The majority of Muslims entering this country aren't committing political violence. By far the largest terror threat in the united states, by number, is Christians, but I don't think either of us would ban all Christians.
Even if this weren't the case, the application process is lengthy and it's an unnecessary barrier. The only people you're going to keep out are the lawful, including actual Americans who happen to be Muslim and travel abroad. Policing the lives of all people entering this country is big government in the worst possible way.
>>7440228
>democracy is bad because I disagree with you
Brilliant.
Be sure to vote :)
>>7440250
Do you support democracy or not? If you don't, then why do you want an idiot to rule the US?
If the the age of the meme has just ended on 4chan, that gives it another 2 years or so of life on Reddit.
"Muslims aren't bad! Niggers aren't either! You're just a racist!" the white, privileged nu-male typed from the safety of his upper middle class parent's suburban home basement, sipping his caramel macchiato and pulling at the sleeves of his snuggee.
>>7440263
I notice an ad hominem. Come over to /pol/ and we'll redpill you and teach you how to argue with logic and reaason.
>>7440250
I would trust political violence experts on the topic of political violence over the view of populists but that's just me.
>>7440236
>Experts on terrorism
>>7440250
>appeal to authority
No it's that Trump is uneducated on these issues and he's an idiotic demagogue who fear-mongers for votes while experts on terrorism who are educated and have been studying these issues actually know what they're talking about
>>7440027
Emperor Trump Augustus Caesar I
>>7440270
Political scientists, if you will.
>>7440270
I notice a /b/-level response. Come over to /pol/ and we'll redpill you and teach you how to argue with logic and reason.
>>7440263
"Muslims are bad! Niggers are too! I'm a proud racist" the uneducated, poor white man from the destitute but comfortable hugbox of his single mother's studio apartment while drinking mountain dew and packing a fat lip
Look I can do it too
>>7440278
Looks like I really bothered you with the logic and reason line there bud
>>7440276
Do you fucks even /Plato's Republic/? If you want a fucking aristocracy, then why do you want to insert someone who is clearly uneducated on issues he supports?
>>7440256
>By far the largest terror threat in the united states, by number, is Christians,
if this isn't b8 it's absolutely euphoric. thanks for letting me know who I'm talking to
>Policing the lives of all people entering this country is big government in the worst possible way.
>application process is lengthy and it's an unnecessary barrier
next you'll tell me borders are just social constructs built of by capitalist pigs to separate us and that freedom of movement is a fundamental human right.
You will dismiss me as not responding to your argument and you are correct I didn't but only because they aren't worth responding to. Consider yourself the winner in this internet debate my friend, there is nothing we can learn from each other. now go ahead and have the last reply.
>>7440291
Oh and DEUS VULT! All you fucks will die.
>>7440256
>That's really naive. The majority of Muslims entering this country aren't committing political violence.
Don't care.
Islam has been at war with non-Muslims for thousands of years and all they do is cause problems for everybody else. The Koran explicitly commands Muslims to conquer and subjugate non-Muslims in order to spread Islam and enforce sharia. A "moderate" Muslim isn't following the Koran.
It always amuses me that white liberals will adamantly defend people who would kill them without hesitation. I believe the word for this is "c.uck".
>>7440282
I thought he was paying homage to you, really. Telling people to avoid fallacy in their responses is welcome no matter if you post on /pol/ or not.
>>7440298
>Muh informal fallacies
Kill yourself.
>>7440302
I notice a /b/-level response. Come over to /pol/ and we'll redpill you and teach you how to argue with logic and reason.
>>7440266
What do you think an ad hominem is?
>>7440297
...
Do you want books to read or are you just going to ignore them after I recommend some and go on thinking what you think?
>>7440307
>spouting fallacies
Redditesque
>>7440314
I notice a /b/-level response. Come over to /pol/ and we'll redpill you and teach you how to argue with logic and reason.
>>7440316
Recommend me something, I'll actually take a look at it.
>>7440321
I notice a /b/-level response. Come over to /pol/ and we'll redpill you and teach you how to argue with logic and reason.
>>7440322
>hostile response to a sincere question
Very reasonable of you.
>>7440291
>if this isn't b8 it's absolutely euphoric. thanks for letting me know who I'm talking to
It's also the truth, sorry to be the one to tell you. I know Islam is very scary because it's on the news a lot but attacks in the US by muslim extremists are not as common as attacks by other groups.
>next you'll tell me borders are just social constructs built of by capitalist pigs to separate us and that freedom of movement is a fundamental human right.
No but I will tell you that my logic is consistent with my position on banning goods that are themselves not harmful, like guns. Religion is only used by a slim majority to justify killing, and isn't worth banning, and even if it was, in the US Islam is not the religion that most often motivates to political violence.
>>7440297
People have used all kinds of religious doctrines to justify war and violence since early history, you'd honestly have to ban all religious if your plan was to stamp out religious violence because there are violent radicals in all faiths.
>>7440291
It has to do with America's values
>>7440348
To add to this, banning a certain religion won't work. Those who are already committed to violence will cover up their religion or assume a fake identity if it;'s their only barrier to entry. They're not going to care about getting caught, they're going to die anyways. But you create a massive problem for those who actually abide by the law.
>>7440353
that's why we should do racial profiling
If your a sandnigger, I don't care if you're a christian or a muslim, you don't belong here
>>7440198
for god's sake anon, it's 2015! the whole world is taking a sharp turn to the right. you really need to get on with the times! don't you? wanna end up in the wrong side of history? haha. there's only two choices; you can choose an ISIS transgender dystopia or you can help us make america great again
>>7440358
Once again, you're just showing me that you're from /pol/.
>mfw i remember trump spammers are either fifteen-year-olds or slav nationalists and thus not eligible to vote in american elections
>>7440358
false dichotomy lel
>>7440348
>DUDE RELIGION DOESN'T CAUSE VIOLENCE LMAO
>EXCEPT FOR CHRISTIANITY IT'S EVIL AND OPPRESSIVE.
for what it's worth I'm not from /pol/ but your beliefs are like the strawman /pol/ draws up when it thinks of liberals.
>>7440353
dude, of course it won't work, all democratically elected politicians dissapoint their strongest supporters, Trump will be great because he can never do have the wack shit he's saying, the truth is he's a moderate Republican trying to avoid being called soft by outflanking the competition from the right...people called obama a socialist and it make leftists want to vote for him more, hoping that is what they'd really get, but of course he is a centrist democrat, call trump a fascist and the republican crazies want him even more, too bad they will be disappointed when it turns out he is just a moderate guy to the left of mitt romney
>>7440363
hahaha
It's scary though that Trump thinks FDR's actions against Japanese and German Americans were justified and he's using it as a precept
>>7440366
>your beliefs are like the strawman
>uses a strawman
>>7440353
But that's objectively wrong. Religiosity is heavily influenced by the genetics of a population.
https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/07/26/the-atheist-narrative/
https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/terrorism-quotient/
>>7440366
I don't think Christianity is evil, in fact my position has been that we should ban neither, which I pointed out within my first post on the subject. I just know that big numbers are bigger than small numbers. Radical concept, I know.
>>7440367
Reasonable. It's hard to tell how much of Trump is sensationalism and how much he actually believes.
>>7440372
thats literally (figuratively) what you said though.
>>7440374
>I just know that big numbers are bigger than small numbers. Radical concept, I know.
why don't you provide your source for these numbers
>>7440373
there may be something to this, remember that islam bans all statues because people in islamic regions are such massive idolaters that if you make a statue of something they will leave it food and start praying to it, unless you blow it up or threaten to chop their heads off, hell, in india the hindus they couldn't convert still do this shit...it's really amazing how shitty people in those regions are at thinking, if you ever tried working in education in a place that has a lot of immigrants from those areas you will be shocked at first...so this idea that there are genes for being an idiotic idol worshiper seems possible...europeans always had tons of statues, but no one thinks a fucking jesus statue is actually jesus himself, even the most hardcore catholic isn't that dumb
>>7440336
this is awesome
>>7440360
that is horseshoe satire
>>7440391
new york times recently published the terror stats, there have been an equal amount of deaths from islam terror as all other extremists groups in america combined, now adjust that per capita and there is a clear islam problem, friend
>>7440387
>Islam bans all statues
No it doesn't. You can make statues of non-living things, some scholars say animals are fine, some scholars say humans are fine if there is no face/head, and some scholars say humans are fine
>people in islamic regions are such massive idolaters that if you make a statue of something they will leave it food and start praying to it, unless you blow it up or threaten to chop their heads off
Uh, what?
>India
:|
>if you ever tried working in education in a place that has a lot of immigrants from those areas you will be shocked at first
Really?
>europeans always had tons of statues
Beeldenstorm? Iconoclasm in the Byzantine empire which happened in two periods? And there are more.
Seriously?
>>7440399
please post a link
>>7440399
>new york times
At least do me a favor and post it.
>>7440399
oh and that's conveniently starting in 2002, so no september eleven to skew the stats
>>7440406
If you think we haven't changed the way we've addressed terror since 911 then I cannot understate how disconnected you must be with the real world. Although I understand the importance of the event, post-911 stats tell us more about the place we currently live.
>>7440391
>Happily.
forgive me friend but this is a long document, could you perhaps tell em where they compare the number of christian extremists attacks to muslims attacks? Unless you count all non jihadi attacks as christian?
>>7440415
HA! proof that /pol/ is right again
>>7440401
>No it doesn't. You can make statues of non-living things, some scholars say animals are fine, some scholars say humans are fine if there is no face/head, and some scholars say humans are fine
>some scholars
"some scholars" in america say capitalism is evil and should be abolished and replaced by the dictatorship of the proletariat, who gives a shit what scholars say, it's what people actually do, not what some scholar says they "ought" to do
>India
home to a 100 million Muslims, and a billion idol worshiping hindus
>Byzantium
>far east of Christendom descends into idol worship, has to resort to iconoclasm to reverse degenerate trend
hey buddy, thanks for adding evidence to my argument!
>>7440399
>>7440419
Did you guys even read the article?
>Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.
>In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center.
>>7440425
>"some scholars" in america say capitalism is evil and should be abolished and replaced by the dictatorship of the proletariat, who gives a shit what scholars say, it's what people actually do, not what some scholar says they "ought" to do
You have no concept of Islamic theology do you? These scholars are basing their fiqh on interpretations of ahadith, you pleb.
>home to a 100 million Muslims, and a billion idol worshiping hindus
OK, but if you're going to talk about "le Muzlim genetics" then reference ARABIA
>hey buddy, thanks for adding evidence to my argument!
Beeldenstorm?
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
>>7440415
>In a survey we conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum last year of 382 law enforcement agencies, 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top three terrorist threats in their jurisdiction; 39 percent listed extremism connected with Al Qaeda or like-minded terrorist organizations. And only 3 percent identified the threat from Muslim extremists as severe, compared with 7 percent for anti-government and other forms of extremism.
>An officer from a large metropolitan area said that “militias, neo-Nazis and sovereign citizens” are the biggest threat we face in regard to extremism. One officer explained that he ranked the right-wing threat higher because “it is an emerging threat that we don’t have as good of a grip on, even with our intelligence unit, as we do with the Al Shabab/Al Qaeda issue, which we have been dealing with for some time.” An officer on the West Coast explained that the “sovereign citizen” anti-government threat has “really taken off,” whereas terrorism by American Muslim is something “we just haven’t experienced yet.”
Are you guys so dumb that you don't know how to read?
#TerrorismHasNoReligion
>>7440415
>Despite public anxiety about extremists inspired by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State, the number of violent plots by such individuals has remained very low. Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.
>In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.
this was your proof? wow. did you think nobody was going to bother to actually read it?
>>7440443
Is this worldwide? You do realize Muslim terrorists mainly kill Muslims?
>>7440452
yeah it's Islam's crowning achievment
>>7440458
Hahaha. Upvoted, friend! :)
>>7440437
>You have no concept of Islamic theology do you? These scholars are basing their fiqh on interpretations of ahadith, you pleb.
I have a concept of the history of art, maybe you should try actually paying attention to what happens in the real world instead of what some marginal contrarian scholar says...inb4 you try to say some Persian sufi who had no influence outside of some obscure satrap approving of statues means that Islam is ok with representative art, and in case you didn't notice the "Beeldenstorm" was a revolt against Catholicism using the Judaic, which is to say Semitic, ban on figurative art as an excuse to lash out against Rome.
>>7440443
islam and secularism win the day again!
>>7440456
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/
>>7440444
>right-wing extremists
but Islamists are also "right-wing extremists", so the fact that 1/5 of all attacks are by Islamists, despite muslims being a tiny percent of the population (no where near 1/5) goes to show that indeed there is an Islam problem
>>7440465
>marginal contrarian scholar
OH MY GOD. HOW CAN YOU CALL SAYYID AS-SISTANI MARGINAL? HOW CAN YOU CALL SAYYID ALI KHAMENEI MARGINAL? HOW CAN YOU CALL THE GRAND MUFTIS OF SYRIA, TURKEY, JORDAN, MOROCCO AND MORE MARGINAL? HOW CAN YOU CALL SEVERAL SHUYUKH FROM THE HAWZAHS OF QUM AND NAJAF AND FROM AL-AZHAR MARGINAL?
OH MY GOD.
seriously
>>7440469
>http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/
So it is worldwide. Once again, most of the victims are Muslims.
>what kind of thread you want senpai?
>just make me hit bump limit by attracting /leftypol/ and /pol/ my shit up senpai
>>7440481
well if they're so influential feel free to show me the flourishing tradition of sculpture in those areas...
>>7440484
I don't understand how that's an argument for accepting them into your country?
Are you at least going to admit you were wrong when you said christian extremists were responsible for more terror than muslims?
>>7440486
Here you go family. Since you're on /lit/ you must love reading
Islamic Art and Architecture 650-1250
The Art and Architecture of Islam, 1250-1800
>>7440484
most of the victims are muslims because most of the terrorists are muslim, it's like most people murdered by blacks are black because anti-social killers just slaughter anyone they can find, which is often people from their own community
>>7440484
and worldwide they commit a disproportionate amount of terrorist attacks
if they're willing to blow each other up over minor differences what do you think they will do to Europeans?
you don't have to think because they've already fucking done it
it's not just the terrorist attacks, it's the rapes, the assaults targeting indigenous citizens and the totally incompatible ideology
>>7440285
>wah political theory doesn't work exactly like the bourgeoisie pedophile who classified all who opposed him as "blind cave people" and was clearly disconnected from reality and basically got btfo by aristotle and the neoplatonists in every way shape and form (heh) said it should
Do history (and humanity) a favour and stop talking
>>7440496
nice bluff, show me some statues bro, and don't give me some Persian illustrations from 1800s, you know that's dishonest
>>7440443
RELIGION OF PEACE
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>>7439978
Memes have spilled from the Internet onto real life
>>7440027
I'm not
I'm both white and rich, things are looking up even more than usual
>>7440507
Mohammed Ghani Hikmat, you pleb
>>7440502
Why are you /pol/ebs so anti-intellectual? Is it because big books hurt your brain?
>>7440501
rekt
>>7440501
well he was wrong about that both in his own source, which I'm assuming is domestic>>7440391
and in the worldwide chart. The only way he can be interpreted as correct is if you assume all non jihaddi terrorism is right wing christian terror, which it isn't. You should at least admit he was wrong
also if chomsky is right then the united states army is the biggest terrorist group in the world.
>>7440500
>if they're willing to blow each other up over minor differences what do you think they will do to Europeans?
>middle east conflict
>minor differences
I'm not about to host a class on conflict in the middle east here for your benefit but just so you know there's nothing minor about it.
>>7440540
Does the US army commit terrorism in the US? They do it overseas.
The rest of what you said is gibberish. The NY times article fucked you over bro.
>>7440530
fucking rekt
>>7440543
well done skirting the point
don't forget Islam literally calls for the death of nonbelievers, I'm sure that will do wonders for the secular west :)
>>7440490
Hey here's a tip, if you're too lazy to do the assigned homework, you probably shouldn't come to class and tell your prof that he's wrong.
>>7440566
those books are written by muslims obviously they are going to try and taqqiya the shit out of everything and hide all their fucked up beliefs. can't trust a muslim.
>>7440549
I didn't post the NYT article "bro"
but feel free to smaefag with "rekt" to try to make yourself feel like you've won some victory by not having to concede you were empircally wrong earlier.
>>7440566
why would I read those books when it says it right there in the Quran
I hope you look back on this thread when shit is really bad in 10 years
>>7440536
Did you even read the post?
What about that was anti-intellectual?
Plato was a hack
>>7440572
thanks for the life advice you fucking illiterate. have you not read any of the above posts and just want to feel like you're included?
he said christians were more of a terrorist threat and both the source he posted and the chart posted later in the thread contradict this. THe only thing that doesn't is the NYT article and thats because they count all non jihadi attacks as christian attacks.
>>7440575
They aren't all written by Muslims and most are by Western academics you pleb.
>can't trust a Muslim
>taqiyya/kitman nonsense
You guys make me despair of what's to come in humanity's future.
>>7440581
Yeah, anti-intellectualism. Haven't read the Qur'an, ahadith, or tafaseer. معلهش!
You are making me majnoon family
>>7440536
>if i keep spamming /pol/eb people will think i'm an oldfag
>>7440566
have you ever read the koran, dumbass
>muslims are just like us tolerant secular westerners, bring em in Priam!
>>7440589
Where does the source reject this? Post the quote.
And he said in the US. The infographic is worldwide.
>>7440591
the Quran calls for the death of nonbelievers
People of the Book are allowed to live but they are subjugated
how about you actually read it?
>>7440027
>Muslims b& from US
>not basically the best thing ever
>>7440603
Read the books I linked. At least Seyyed Nasr's Study Qur'an. If not that because you're a bigot, then the McAuliffe's Cambridge Companion to the Qur'an. She's not Muslim so you don't have to worry about "taqiyya"
>>7440589
Your argument is that right-wing and christian are mutually exclusive, and that he has to prove that an amount of the right wing in America that is christian is higher than the like 2% of Muslim terror attacks in the US. Just think for a second, do you think that this appreciable chunk of united states right wingers somehow aren't christians?
>>7440591
im just going to ignore everything you say cause you are probably a muslim pulling a taqqiya on me. HEIL TRUMP! DEUS VULT!
>>7440612
once again why would I read those over the Quran?
do you think the average Muslims has read those?
>>7440613
Christianity is against terrorism while Islam supports it. It's that simple. Every Christian who commits a terrorist act is just not a true Christian.
>>7440604
you "study" islam ie make apologetics to reconcile islam with the modern western world to refute those damned redneck bigots you have nightmares about, without even asking yourself what makes islam unique as a religion and what about islam can explain its extremism
>>7440589
I read the post where the guy posted government statistics, you couldn't read it, and then claimed he was wrong.
>>7440617
Those are translation of the Qur'an, you fool! With commentary from major Islamic shuyukh, historical and modern, and Western academics!
>>7440618
>Every Christian who commits a terrorist act is just not a true Christian.
Here we go.
>Religious violence by this religion with a violent book doesn't count, religious violence by that religion counts because they have a violent book.
>There is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism.(Of course, every ethnic group has a group-typical suite of behavioral traits – an “x quotient” – see Predictions on the Worldwide Distribution of Personality. This is basic HBD.) Regression to the mean (in the statistical sense) explains why we all have many ethnicity-typical behavioral traits.
>This is illustrated by the number of terrorist acts (defined here as instances of mass murder/assault/hostage taking) per capita for a given population. There is little question that this rate is incredibly high for many Muslim populations relative to other populations (and of course, there is a great deal of variation between Muslim populations) – even more so when you consider the sizes of the Muslim populations living in Western countries.
>>7440619
>what about islam can explain its extremism
There's hardly extremism in Muslim countries like Indonesia and Bangladesh. You're confusing the political tensions in the middle east for inherent problems with the Muslim faith.
>>7440627
Why are you posting this pseudointellectual blogshit?
>>7440612
yeah i'm sure if you go to the middle east you'll find a cambridge companion to the koran on every shelf
>>7440621
what do they offer over any other translation?
how about you just post the part that rebuts the fact that Islam calls for the death of nonbelievers
>>7440627
>But the problem with Muslims in the West is hardly confined to terrorism, but plenty of regular old violence and other crime (especially in Europe – not so much in North America) – again from Peter Frost:
>In France, Muslims make up 60% of all prison inmates, while being only 12% of the total population (Leclerc, 2014). Similarly, 7 out of 10 burglaries, assaults, and violent thefts are committed by first- or second-generation immigrants (Chevrier and Raufer, 2014). Most of these perps seem to be Muslim, although a third of them may be West Indians, Africans, and Roma of nominally Christian background. Muslims seem to be especially overrepresented in serious violent crimes that lead to prison sentences.
>Similar trends are developing elsewhere. Muslims make up 70% all prison inmates in Spain and 45% in Belgium (WikiIslam, 2013 see Note 1; Sudinfo.be, 2013). In England and Wales, the figure is only 14%, versus 4.7% of the total population, apparently because certain other communities are likewise overrepresented (Morris, 2014, see Note 2).
>A Danish researcher has studied the relationship between criminality and immigrant origin in Denmark, Norway, and Finland (Kirkegaard, 2014a; Kirkegaard, 2014b; Kirkegaard, 2014c; Kirkegaard and Fuerst, 2014). He found that the prevalence of Islam in the immigrants’ home country was the single best predictor of criminality both for “all crime” and for “violent crime,” being better than the home country’s mean IQ or GDP per capita and much better than its murder rate. And let’s not forget Rotherham.
>>7440630
those inherent problems come out exactly when there are political tensions, dip
>>7440630
good thing all the Muslims pouring into the West are from Indonesia then
wait
>>7440632
No, you'll find tafaseer that you can't read because you don't know Arabic and you're a pleb.
>>7440633
Welcome to /lit/. Plebs are not allowed here. Read, discuss what you read, and ask for recs to read. If not, get out.
You can get a pdf or epub from our typical download places, if you know of them.
I already explained what they offer over other translations, but you probably have some sort of reading disability. Sorry for that.
>>7440638
Political tensions bring out violence in any demographic. What about the Buddhists in Myanmar killing Muslims? Is Buddhism a religion of violence?
>>7440638
>I know what the "inherent problems" in Islam are without studying its theology
>I don't understand that finding contradictions in human application of theory is nearly impossible
>>7440641
destroyed
>>7440641
I don't know about you but I think a bunch of Bangladeshis are in the US. They seem everywhere
>>7440278
>>7440631
>facts are pseudo-intellectual now
You've already been BTFO multiple times in this thread Achmed, when are you going to give it up?
>>7440641
People coming to the united states from the middle east aren't committing nearly as much political violence as non-muslim extremists who are already here.
>>7440647
islamic theology is founded on conversion by the sword, thus islam has an exacerbatedly violent response to political tensions (and historically causes most of those tensions by invading, conquering and enslaving)
itt: /pol/ getting BTFO
/pol/ on suicide watch tbqh
i feel bad for them
>>7440630
If your people are inbred, low-IQ, and violent enough to snap and murder innocent people as part of a religious jihad just because of "political tensions" then your people are not worth keeping around.
"Political tensions" does not make otherwise good people blow up innocents. They were always going to do it because they are for all intents and purposes subhuman and should be culled like subhumans.
>>7440667
>could you please cite where these authors rebut the fact that Islam calls for the death of nonbelievers?
No because I don't spoonfeed babies. Get off /lit/ if you don't want to read.
>>7440670
>They were always going to do it
No concept of Islamic history.
>If your people are inbred, low-IQ, and violent enough to snap and murder innocent people
Seriously?
I'm done. You guys are too obstinate to be dealt with.
>>7440667
>just read all of the books i posted dude!! durr, thats my only counterargument, i am a humble scholar of islam, /pol/ btfo
>>7440667
>0.9% of the US population is Muslim
0.9% of the population is responsible for 20% of all right-wing terror deaths, yeah, we should definitely let in more muslims!
>>7440675
You linked the wrong person. Why is it that uneducated people feel confident in their abilities to discuss a subject and think their opinions are worthwhile?
Oh wait. Pic related.
I don't why I bother with you people.
>>7440630
>There's hardly extremism in Muslim countries like Indonesia and Bangladesh
No extremism in Bangladesh? Are you fucking serious? And you're supposed to be some kind of Islamic Studies major? Bwahaha, get a clue.
I feel bad for /leftypol/, no place to go since cripplegag got BTFO so they had to come back here and knock down strawmen
>>7440680
He's not the "Islamic Studies major". I am. And I'm not an undergrad.
>>7440681
I'm not /leftypol/. I don't really care about politics. I just like learning about Islamic law, history, and culture because it's cool
>>7440679
>maybe if i post a bunch of books without giving any actual arguments people will think i know what i'm talking about
>le dunning krueger "every one but me who has posted this fine image of how dumb every one else is is dumb" meme
>>7440690
Those aren't me.
>>7440686
you should try leaving your ivory tower sometime and getting to know some real living muslims. thinking muslims now or care about a stack of antique islamic scholarship is like expecting every christian to have read and understood summa theologica, dante, milton, whatever...most christians barely even read their own bible, and guess what, muslims aren't very different....but this is the same mistake Marxists made too, they think the average guy in a union is reading Hegel on his lunch break, and debating Trotsky's theory of revolution, and then wonder why they all go and vote for Nixon or some shit...you fucking eggheads just never get it man.
>>7440692
Yes I've read them. I love Robert Gleave tbqh.
>can't cite content
Cause I come here to shitpost and have fun and post books and learn about books.
Here's a hadith from Wasa`il though that I was reading
[ 19954 ] 1 ـ محمد بن يعقوب ، عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن محمد بن الحسين ، عن علي بن النعمان ، عن سويد القلاء ، عن بشير (1) ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قلت له : إني رأيت في المنام أني قلت لك إن القتال مع غير الامام المفترض طاعته حرام مثل الميتة والدم ولحم الخنزير ، فقلت لي : نعم هو كذلك ، فقال أبو عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) : هو كذلك هو كذلك .
وعن محمد بن الحسن الطائي ، عمن ذكره ، عن علي بن النعمان ، عن سويد القلاء ، عن بشير الدهان مثله (2) .
So Shia can't do jihad unless their Imam is present. Where is their Imam? In ghayba! lol
>>7440693
Okie dokie lokie.
>>7440689
dont believe this guy, he is trying to taqiyya u
>>7440686
I'm becoming less and less convinced you even read any of those books you post, since you obviously didn't read those art and architecture books...and seem to have no clue about muslims in real life.
>>7440699
>know some real living muslims
I've been to the Middle East several times tbqh and I have met scholars and laymen alike. I love meeting Muslims. :)
>thinking muslims now or care about a stack of antique islamic scholarship
Arabs and Iranians do man. They love their cultural and religious scholarly tradition like crazy. Most care about it but don't read it, instead getting info on it from scholars in their hoods with khutbahs
>>7440704
>didn't read those art and architecture books
Want me to namedrop some more sculptors? Ahmed As-Safi family
>>7440707
>I love meeting Muslims.
bet u love getting ur ass fucked by multiple muslim cocks like a good liberal, what else is new?
>>7440710
That's very rude family. And once again, I don't care about politics. I'm just scared Trump's going to be a fascist.
>>7440693
hey bro lets just make a list of the Christian canon and copypost it anytime someone says anything about Christianity ever,
>sorry unless you've read these 3000 pages of medieval Christian lit you can't have a valid opinion on Christianity! Oh, and there's stuff that supports our argument and btfo people we don't agree with but it's in Latin only, so you can't have read it, therefor you can't have a valid opinion, blah blah blah
>>7440674
So are you arguing that reasonable people blow up other people because of "political tensions"?
Is it okay for me to run outside and gun down a concert full of innocent people because of "political tensions"?
Get real. You're a terrorism apologist.
>>7440718
Ok. I want every Muslim to kill every Westerner. Happy now?
>>7440708
why don't you just link to some of his sculptures?
but i gotta tell ya bro, wouldn't it be a little less lame to defend the semitic tradition of banned representational art, instead of making pained and stretched arguments that muslims love sculpture or whatever...if you're so into islam why don't you accept it as it is, instead of trying to warp it to match what you want it to be? this is the definition of orientalism my man.
>>7440723
honesty will set you free, friend
>>7440724
>link to some of his sculptures
Are you that lazy that you can't copy paste his name or Hikmat's name into google?
>Muslims love sculpture
What? You said Islam bans all sculptures. I told you that it doesn't and listed names of top scholars who allow some form of sculpture. You said where are the sculptures? I gave you two names of famous Iraqi sculptors. Are you happy?
>>7440701
we have already established that the majority of terrorist attacks come from Sunnis
>>7440723
You could have posted that at the beginning of the thread and saved yourself the trouble of getting BTFO over the course of two threads.
>>7440724
>why don't you just link to some of his sculptures?
oh he's a secular guy from Baathist Iraq, nice try passing him off as "muslim", hopefully the Islamic State won't find him and chop his head off
>>7440745
Shakir Hasan as-Said
>>7440734
>I gave you two names of famous Iraqi sculptors. Are you happy?
The thing is if you truely believe in Islam why don't you defend the idea that representational art should be banned? Instead of trying to pass off 20th century secular Iraqi nationalists as some kind of Islamic sculpture tradition, this is idiotic. if you're such a scholar of Islam, why don't you come with some arguments telling me why sculpture is evil and why I should believe it? By not accepting Islam as it really is, it tells me you don't really accept Islam as it is, which is a strange position for a sympathizer of Islamism...
>>7440745
Also Muslims that are "secular" are still Muslim. To be Muslim according to majority of Muslims (except Da'ish and historical equivalents like Khwarij, al-Qa'ida, etc.) all you need to do is recite shahada.
>>7440718
>So are you arguing that reasonable people blow up other people because of "political tensions"?
you ever hear about the IRA?
you ever hear about Timothy McVeigh?
you ever hear about the Unabomber?
you ever hear about Anders Breivik?
>>7440752
Because many top Islamic scholars allow sculptures in some form. They don't ban it outright like you said.
http://talabehpasokhgoo.parsiblog.com/Posts/159/
>>7440758
I'm not the guy who said Christian terrorism is more than Islamic terrorism and you didn't BTFO him because he said it was in the US not worldwide.
And once again Muslim extremists kill other Muslims mostly.
>>7440758
And I don't want to get in this pseudoscientific nonsense. I haven't commented on it.
>>7440765
well they sure went out of their way to smash the face off every god damn statue in egypt, brah
>>7440780
You do realize statues of non-animals and non-humans are made? You do realize that not "every god damn statue in egypt" is broken? You do realize that there are scholars who permit non-living being statues while not permitting human statues?
Statues are not banned outright in Islam. How many times do I have to say it?
>>7440769
>And once again Muslim extremists kill other Muslims mostly.
this is not a a defense of Islam
>>7440788
Anyone who kills an innocent Muslim has become a kafir according to Islam so all those extremists are kuffar according to the Qur'an. :^)
>>7440788
Oh and you may ask why do they kill these innocent Muslims then? Because they are takfiris and like Khwarij
>>7440756
The amount of white people blowing things up compared to the total amount of white people in America is insignificant when stood next to the amount of Muslims blowing shit up compared to the total amount of Muslims.
You keep bringing up the same shit I refuted you on earlier.
>>7440798
It's taking data and then putting a political spin on the conclusion even though the conclusion is unfalsifiable
>>7440797
white people have blown plenty of shit up in the middle east too, is there any particular reason we aren't counting the people that killed?
>>7440801
>so essentially that argument
No because that's a theological argument against them, not a no true scotsman fallacy. And it was a joke against you. I don't care if you think ISIS is the real Muslims or whatever. Keep supporting those bastards if you like.
>FBI page doesn't support it
?
>>7440765
what do you think you gain by not defending Islam's views on art? By not defending it, it's like you're ashamed if it and saying it's indefensible, well, if it makes you feel better Judaism has the same rules, you don't have to be embarrassed, I just wanted to read some Islamic aesthetician argue why sculpture or any representational art for that matter, sucks...but instead you just deny it. Again, why do you waste your time trying to represent Islam as you wish it is, rather than it is? You're like one of those communists whose like "but, but, there's nothing about Gulags in any of Marx's writing!" where as a real motherfucking comrade is like "Stalin was right to destroy the reactionary kulak class" with no shame. I just feel kind of embarrassed for you, having to dedicated your education to trying to convince yourself Islam is the way you wish it was.
>>7440798
>there are sources for the statistics
provide them
>>7440772
Sources were posted literally ITT you philistine.
>And once again Muslim extremists kill other Muslims mostly
LMAO at you thinking this is in any way an endorsement of Islam.
Nignogs murder mainly other nignogs in Detroit and Chicago, that doesn't mean we should put up with them when they commit crimes against non-niggers.
>>7440808
>not defending
I showed you scholars opinions, I showed you religious Muslim sculptor, I showed you more moderate Muslim sculptor
I don't care now. believe whatever
Jesus Christ /pol/ is an embarrassment.
