http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/no-gays-and-transgenders-are-not-being-bullied-they-are-the-bullies/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons
I don't know why I read dumb articles like this to hate myself more than I need to.
But then I come to this stupid thread in hopes of finding a comforting place for the LGBT community and all I see is transpeople self loathing, hating on other trans people, and this whole spectrum of 'passing/non-passing'
You're acting in regards to how you want cis people to see you, and you keep attacking one another just because transperson A didn't start HRT yet or transperson B doesn't 'pass' to you.
You all know dysphoria and that disgusting self-loathing that comes with being a transperson in today's society is terrible so why inflict it on another fellow transperson who may be a part of tomorrow's suicide statistic?
In-fighting in the trans community is self-loathing, victim-blaming behavior.
It accepts that recognizing the gender identity of a non-passing trans person is such an imposition on others as to be undeserved.
To say trans people are the "real bullies" for wanting their gender identities recognized is the flipside of this philosophy.
>>5985118
By "flipside," I mean the cisgender perspective.
>>5985109
You're actually right which is the reason I seldom come here due to some of those reasons.
I think when you base your entire life in a small couple of aspects, you kinda become an insufferable person. Also this board is some fucked up hugbox where you shit over another anon to feel better about yourself.
Anyways, shitty people being shitty I guess.
Now let me go back to my shitposting on another nicer board. See you legbutts later.
>>5985118
What I mean is if we continue fighting against one another, we're only weakening our community from the inside.
For example if we saw a trans person who didn't necessarily 'pass' according to the cis gaze was getting bullied and degraded, yet another trans person who passed/was cisnormative saw this, who's to saw the cisnormative would neglect the other for their own safety?
we aren't a 'community' if we're separate. We aren't a community if we continue to do harm to one another.
>>5985124
Yeah, you'd think in a place where it's supposed to be about giving people proper advice or help to do with their transition or self-acceptance, the whole "I'm superior to you because I pass" wouldn't be present but I guess shitty people translate their shitty personality onto every board they can get into heh
Yeah... time to move onto better things
>>5985129
You can't think of this board (or in-fighting in general) as a complete picture of the trans community.
Remember that it's here that pretty much every real life LGBT support group is criticized here for being too kind to our "undesirables." That alone should tell you that trans people are treating each other more nicely in other places.
>>5985169
I understand that it keeps out dangerous (I say dangerous because it misinforms cisgenders about us) transtrenders, however there are some trans people who have finally come to terms with being trans (I was very transphobic and wanted nothing to do with myself and accept who I was) so attacking the slow moving acceptance just brings them back to square 1.
I know it's a stupid example and I know this board isn't the trans community in 'general', but you too have to admit that some threads that are trans general or passing threads are goddamn appalling, that they have this notion of "Unless your trans experiences is exactly like mine, you aren't accepted/a real trans person or apart of this community"
>>5985109
4chan in general is a hive for people who aren't exactly in the best shape when it comes to mental health. That principal is doubled for the trans people here. A lot of them addictively browse this place because they feel other online or IRL communities are too "hugboxy" or SJW or whatever. They think that constantly exposing themselves to seething hatred and condescension will make them grow a thicker skin, but it really doesn't. A lot of the trans people here have internalized the overwhelming societal stigma, and have serious mental health problems because of it. Many are suicidal and even more have crippling self-esteem issues. If you're not careful, this place can be toxic to your mental health.
I think the best thing to do if you're trans is to take this place with a grain of salt and look for other communities that have a better balance when it comes to emotional support. Sure, you may bump into 'hons' or tumblr type queer people, but you might also bump into someone like yourself and make an actual irl friend. Also, to be completely honest, I think a big part of learning to accept yourself as a trans person can come more easily with learning to accept people that are different from you.
If all else fails, just focus more on your hobbies and work on improving yourself as a person. That's loads better than wasting time on this shithole of a board.
>>5985182
You lost me at "transtrenders." If you believe in such a thing, you believe that you can know someone else's gender identity better than they can, or consider it illegitmate based on their appearance.
I'd consider that far more "dangerous" a belief to hold or encourage for anyone, a self-identified trans person most of all.
>>5985223
No I cannot identify nor point out who a transtrender is and who is not.
However there have been these posts of people telling others how to describe dysphoria/living as a trans person instead of legitimately giving their own account/experience of it to a psychiatrist
Like I said we're not here to compare one life of a trans person to another, but I dont know why its so important to 'imitate' the life of another trans person so you feel more authentic/like you belong? Your ow experiences are your own, there may be some similarities, but they're not identical
People in this thread are right.
But for some reason I like this harsh envoierment...
>>5985212
this is a generally good outlook...
I've managed to make friends with people in the trans community outside social networks (as irl) and its a far better experience than here over all.
I know the idea of boards being a 'hugbox' is kind of bad because people might feel coddled and be less strong facing issues int he outside world, but giving them harsh expectations from the community itself is equally as bad.
but yeah, this board isn't everything after all, and asides with working on yourself as a person, if you need real trans-related help you can always speak with social workers related on such issues so theres always that i suppose
>>5985295
What part of it do you like though?
>>5985304
:^)
>>5985305
The way how I react to it!
>omg you look like a fucking garbage wtf is wrong with your hair, legs, nose!
It gives me some feedback on what to change in me. Maybe I should loose weight? Improve my makeup skills? Train a better smile.
> omg you look fantastic, I have cis friend who look just like you. Don't change girl!
That kind of comments are useless to me. Plus if the person is good looking trans I feel like she is mocking me. If she is cis she don't know what she is talking about.
That is my thought process anyway.
>>5985347
I guess you're pretty much an optimist when it comes to this place huh
>>5985353
Maybe. But the negative aspect is sill there. IRL I've became more oppose to trans movement (and trans topic in general) which confuse my friends.
Sometimes I don't do something because 4chans says it's honish or stupid in general.
>>5985347
I feel the same way.
>>5985109
The Trans community, and LGBTQ community in general, is the main reason why I don't want to transition.
>>5985384
The Trans community only has this self hate because there are a lot of hons and bandwagoning freaks with weird fucking tattoos who makes the ones who pass look bad by forced association.
>>5985384
Whether or not you let them into your life is your very own decision and quite seperate from actually transitioning...
Your post sounds pretty immature.
>>5985384
You're your own person.
no community or group of people or person should stop you from transitioning.
The reason why you don't want to transition is because you dont want to. Maybe you don't need to.
>>5985405
The fact that they exist means they're part of my life by association. Like it or not, people stereotype communities. Public perception of the LGBTQ community is pretty shitty, being associated with people I don't like or agree with will definitely make my life worse.
>>5985444
This is also true. I feel like I'm sort of "borderline." I would like to be a girl, sure, but I think I'd be happier surviving as a male and not having to deal with the baggage that comes with transitioning. Judge me as some sort of coward if you want, it just doesn't seem worth it for me on a personal level.
I still lurk here because I'm curious and think about it pretty often.
>>5985109
>those scare quotes around transgender
>>5985572
To this blogger transgender isn't a real thing - same with the people commenting; they treat it like its a perversion or some sort of mental ailment.
>>5985553
There are some people, I've noticed more commonly transwomen, who have 'detransitioned' out of fear, out of the hardships and the long process (both physically and legally) that comes with transitioning.
As I said it's your choice whether to transition, no one else's, or any community. If you feel comfortable, if you feel far happier this way, then you know what's best for you.
People who are certain about transitioning choose to transition because they are very, very certain that they are not happy with the current state they're living as.
I hate it when people say "I transitioned because a cisperson/transperson told me this is what I should do" like they don't have a mind of their own.
This guy wore an actual fedora to his wedding
>>5985109
>the blaze
>>>>>> the blaze
>they simply want what is theirs and what was intended for them. That's it. That's all.
that's literally the definition of privilege lmao
Reading The Blaze doesn't make me hate myself, it validates my beliefs and identity because the other side is too stupid to even comprehend basic sociological concepts. Why does it do that to you?
>>5985597
>professional truth sayer
>>5985611
someone shared the link and I'm not very familiar with the website other than knowing it's a cesspool of fedora wearing bullshit spewers
>>5985597
>validating that beautiful cis white man stereotype
thank you anon... this photo cheered me up
>>5985628
It makes Fox News and msnbc look centrist and unbiased
Seriously just read the bios
>>5985614
what I don't understand with most of these articles is that they're putting their arguments forward because of 'their niece' or 'little girls' as if transwomen go to bathrooms to peek at other people.
I just want to take a fucking piss and feel safe and comfortable in the toilet I want to use, is that so hard to comprehend or...
>>5985109
hot damn this article :|
>>5985637
>professional truth---
yeah you're right
>>5985614
I think it's more seeing people's thoughts on transgender people? Without seeing them for what they really are?
I'm not a transwoman but jesus christ I get so pissed off seeing people shit on transwomen particularly and treat them so horribly and unjustly.
>>5985639
>is that so hard to comprehend or...
Yeah for them it is. Big fucking deal, they're a minority at this point, reactionaries are dying off every hour and even they acknowledge that they're a dying breed, and future progressives are born every second.
North Carolina will go with the tide or drown, don't worry.
>>5985653
Why care about the opinion of someone who will objectively never have a positive impact in your own life and have a low chance of having a negative one?
I think the reason I'm not offended then might be my inflated ego. But seriously though, that's not the opinion of 'people' as a whole, it's one man in his fedora and his /pol/ buddies.
>>5985654
And the fact they keep on putting the "capitalist family' into arguments is hilarious.
but I guess this is all about superiority in the end, no matter what a group of people wishes to be more superior than the rest and hate to be equal with whatever they couldn't understand
>>5985663
I guess because it's usually easier to pay attention to negative feedback than positive feedback? (stupid, I know)
And maybe because you don't want these sort of people to pop up in your life and be the sort of people who are actually violent *just* because they cannot understand or fully accept what transgender is.
But you're right, you're absolutely right...
>>5985109
>theblaze
well already have my daily dose of bullshit
>>5985109
>> The Blaze
>>5985109
>"Matt Walsh is a blogger, writer, speaker, and professional truth sayer."
>professional truth sayer
These types really love sucking their own dick don't they?
>>5985109
It happens to all sorts of minority groups. The majority will harp on the entire group as a whole, make up bullshit about them, subject them to harsh rejection and violence with impunity, invent reasons to disrespect them and treat them like sub-human monsters, etc. Then members of that minority community, when they see that they're effectively powerless against the majority through systemic means dominated by said majority, turn inward and begin to judge the "bad minorities" in their group. Conversely, they cast themselves as the "good minorities" who suck up to the majority and assume their place as subordinates or second class citizens without a fuss. It's a form of assimilation, but that assimilation merely serves to destroy and reshape the minority in-line with the majority.
>Bisexual man marries a woman and actively speaks out against same-sex marriage and for fundamentalist child reprogramming camps.
>gay man scoffs at lesbian couple giving eachother a peck on the street because "they should keep it in the bedroom"
>insecure lesbian woman retches in disgust at the mention of gay sex to cozy up to a bunch of straight people
>trans woman only treats trans people who pass as "really trans" to avoid public backlash and ridicule for being trans herself
>trans man only accepts trans men as legitimate and calls trans women misogynistic men
The list goes on, and it's all because it's easier to attack a minority for bringing violence or unfair rejection upon themselves than the system and culture responsible for that rejection in the first place.
>>5985663
It's not so much that I get insulted, it's that people like that mass-produce made-up nonsense about trans people, spread it virally through multiple mediums, and people around the world buy it uncritically because they want to believe it. It fits their pre-existing worldview. Rhetoric like this has a gargantuan effect on trans peoples' lives, but a minimal effect on everyone else's. However, media outlets like this cast trans people as this massive, growing threat against everything everyone has ever valued ever.
It's how things like the bathroom bills started happening. Yellow journalism like this is responsible. Pure fear, misinformation and propaganda. Zero sources, science or real analysis. They can't even refer to transgender people as people. The propaganda only works when you dehumanize them enough as "transgenders" that are out to get you and your rights and your children and your freedom.
Yellow Journalism:
>scare headlines in huge print, often of minor news
>lavish use of pictures, or imaginary drawings
>use of faked interviews, misleading headlines, pseudoscience, and a parade of false learning from so-called experts
>emphasis on full-color Sunday supplements, usually with comic strips
>dramatic sympathy with the "underdog" against the system.
>>5985109
People have this notion that experiencing suffering makes a person more capable of feeling sympathy for others but that's only true to a small extent in certain people. For most all it does is just make them more jaded, more unsympathetic, more likely to hate on others, especially those who are bellow them (passers making fun of unpassing trannies)
You just see it a lot here because it's 4chan, free speech and edginess cranked up which is why there's so many hateful posts in this space for /lgbt/ discussion.
You know perfectly well that there are hundreds of other websites you could go on where every hon picture is greeted with nothing but praise.
>>5986911
This is the fallout from all of that trans inspiration porn from the pro-LGBT media circuit. When it's implied that certain people have an inherently harder life than most, and their survival is "inspiring" to others, it creates a vortex or envy, hatred and spite that powers a massive cacophony of angry vitriol aimed at the "inspiring" people that works almost solely and incessantly to tear them down and stomp on any minute suggestion that these disadvantaged people should be respected, or even liked.
It's like when you give a kid praise in a pre-school classroom and give that praise to no other kid. Watch how fast that kid gets his or her face stomped in by the others. Because how DARE they not be as special.
>>5986773
Underrated post. Uncle Toms exist in every damn minority.
>>5986981
So it's still generally self-loathing because it's based on 'how dare ________ be better at me in _______?"
Since when did being a trans person mean being better at being trans than anyone else?
>>5986773
>forgetting 'Bisexual person is involved with someone of the opposite gender and the LGBT community no longer sees them apart of the community because of who they date, not what they sexually identify as.'
Vile.
>>5986911
No. It's because straight people are shit. Obviously anyone that wants to be straight are also shit, since being shit is the most important requirement for being straight.
THIS >>5985212
>If all else fails, just focus more on your hobbies and work on improving yourself as a person. That's loads better than wasting time on this shithole of a board.
Hear! Hear!
>>5985597
meh... So what. It's just a hat type.
This >>5986773
highly under rated post. Same shit as you see with the wife who beats the child after getting beat up by the husband. Break the cycle of violence, hate, etc.. Direct the response at the real problem. Don't shift it somewhere else.
>>5985109
>that article
Wow, I bet this ass-hat would have argued against building wheelchair ramps and integrating DD students into regular classrooms to any degree, because it made "muh silent majority" uncomfortable.
So I'm hoping someone here can help, I live in Canada and wanna start mones but can't risk having sent to my address I can't wait anymore
Fellow trannies who are transitioning, have transitioned or simply have the knowledge to share:
My doctor upped my anti-androgen dosage a few days ago and since then, I have been getting erections far more often than when I was on a lower dosage. Erections had become really rare for me, but now they are back.
What gives? Am I already dead? Shit doesn't make any sense.
>>5985580
Why wouldn't they? There are salient, logical arguments to be made from both a neurological and a psychotherapeutic perspective that trans people 'really are' their identified gender and should be treated as such by others, but those don't get circulated among the general populace even a tenth as much as 'CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE SHITLORD, YOUR VOICE IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN MINE AND YOU EXIST TO VALIDATE ME'. The good arguments get drowned out by that tripe. No wonder a lot of trans people actively hate 'the community'.
>>5985109
Yes.
Next question?
>Not bullying pollacks every day
>>5987771
>>5992486
I disagree.
>>5990145
Like getting the mones sent to your current address?
PO box?
>>5992486
:^)
Can't help it that on /mtfg/ there are mentally insane people that call themselves traps and don't take hormones but demand acceptance and the same treatment. These people then turn around and say old trannies that transitioned in the 80s are fetishists but everyone on 4chan is normal. Then you have the Miss Cock trannies and ones that don't even try to socially transition after years on hormones.
It's hard to be allies or even have sympathy for some of these cretins.
>>5985109
Let's not forget that trans people and feminists are now saying if you're a cis white gay male you don't experience oppression and shouldn't be part of the LGBT movement. Trannies are some of the biggest bullies in the LGBT community. Like just because I'm born male and cool with it means I have a perfect life
